Topic: The PlayStation Fan Thread

@YummyHappyPills Ahh, fortunately that doesn't cause any issues for me....I was afraid a game I was hyped for I'd have to get unhyped for Though that's surprising that's the case, I mean I can imagine it having involvement in what is basically a future-crime-noire, but it didn't seem like a game that was going to touch on anything like that, it seemed more conspiracy-oriented. I can't imagine it's more than a passing scene, even for people that don't want to see it....but as someone who avoids horror at any cost, I'm not one to talk Can't. Take. Horror. At all.

Plus I've never played a David Cage game....Heavy Rain seemed too suspense for my liking.

Yeah I think what you're describing is different from "outrage media"....it's just "serious drama piece" that will have a theme some like and some don't like most serious movies. The fact that some like it and some don't is exactly why we rarely see serious movies anymore...everything has to be sanitized until it's mass market for everyone and never not for someone because it must sell, sell, SELL! Meanwhile it lost all value because if something is for everyone, then it's really for noone when it comes to storytelling (Mario is for everyone but it's not trying to tell a story beyond basic framing.) The "outrage media' is more about "this character is discriminatory/racist/exclusionary/they use the wrong PC word and you should be offended!" Hot button sellable political topic du-jour hype rather than "serious themes will always have a set audience" issues.

That said, I'm still curious if it really has very much of that element at all...it seems to sit at odds with the core theme of the game.

@Octane Skyrim of course...already have that one. Haven't started it yet though.

It's not disingenuous though because those people who fit that category need nothing more from the media except the simple information explaining the content. Which the developers provided with a trailer.
Everything after that is superfluous demagoguery.

@Dezzy You and them aren't arguing the same point. They're trying to say that they and other people personally don't want to play the game knowing about the content, while you're trying to argue about the media outrage, which they aren't even discussing.

@Dezzy I wouldn't say that.

You can explain the context of the content just fine. Ultimately though, the issue of domestic violence, regardless of context, is going to be sensitive for some.

If you really believe that victims of DV should play a game with that content in it, regardless of if it makes them uncomfortable or not, then fine, that's your belief. I personally believe that even with context, it is down to the user if they feel they can take in and appreciate the context of the scenario, and feel comfortable doing so.

For instance, you wont get me sitting down and playing a game with abuse towards children in it. Long and short of that is no, I won't, I am not comfortable with that.

HOWEVER, that is not saying it is inappropriate content or should not be in the game or the industry. That is me saying, this isn't for me, I have my reasons, can you please respect that? I'm not part of the outrage media, in fact I'm quite trigger happy in games, I mow people down in GTA, I will probably take the "Kill them" option 90% of the time because at the end of the day it's a video game, it is code, and polygons.

The difference is you put me in front of that domestic violence situation, I wouldn't respond well. I got flashbacks just from the trailer, and yes in the context of the game it isn't real, but at this stage of my life I don't want to be sat with a controller in my hand watching domestic violence towards children, even if it is just one tiny scenario, play out on my TV before my eyes.

When I have recovered? Maybe. We need to see.

But here you are, saying, oh, just take it in context. I AM taking it in context and it makes me uncomfortable, and not in a "Make you think" kind of way, which is the intended purpose. It makes me uncomfortable because I have been there, thank you for reminding me, now I'm shaking and checking my little sister is okay every 10 minutes.

You have to understand, that even with context, even with the explanation, there are people who simply cannot handle it at the moment. But that's not to say "Don't put it in the game". No, not at all. That's to say, put it in the game, it's a part of the vision. Keep it in.

What it IS saying, is hey, maybe you shouldn't write off mental illnesses and trauma from events and then expect people to somehow not use that as a perfectly valid reason not to buy something.

@link3710 @YummyHappyPills

Yeah, my point was only about the sensationalist media stoking outrage for clicks, cos that's what all they do nowadays.
I don't care whether anyone plays it or not. People can avoid it on the grounds that David Cage is ugly if they want.

@YummyHappyPills Great job articulating your point. Too many people don't do so (which is what spawns the "outrage media" to begin with.)

I think what summarizes your point and @Dezzy's differen't point is:
"HOWEVER, that is not saying it is inappropriate content or should not be in the game or the industry. That is me saying, this isn't for me, I have my reasons, can you please respect that? I'm not part of the outrage media, in fact I'm quite trigger happy in games, I mow people down in GTA, I will probably take the "Kill them" option 90% of the time because at the end of the day it's a video game, it is code, and polygons."

Your position is perfectly logical. The "outrage media" dezzy is talking about DOES want to make the point is that it is inappropriate content and should not exist in the game. They always argue that everything should be sanitized until it "offends no one". So ultimately you and dezzy are already on the same side of the debate.

@link3710 called that correctly.

@Dezzy You're discriminating against ugly people. That is inappropriate! I need to bang aout a 30000 word essay on Gawker about appearance bias on internet forums now. TRIGGERED>

Hey question for you people. So I'm considering getting a PS4 (finally) due to a mix of KH, Digimon, Crash, Persona, LG, .hack//, Horizon and FF being enough to make me start looking. As someone who hasn't played anything but Nintendo and PC since the PS2 days, I'm just wondering if there's anything I should be aware of jumping in? I know there's a paid subscription for internet services, but not sure if there's anything else I need to be aware of? Like, considering I have no interest in online multiplayer games (as I'll get them on PC), is there any reason I should still spend the money on PS+? Oh, and is there any point in the PS Pro if my TV is still 720p? Most of the articles at the Pro's launch suggest no, but wasn't sure if that's changed.

@link3710 First of all, no there's probably no point in getting the PS4 Pro because of your TV. Save money and just get the standard PS4. The only reason you might want PS+ is the couple of free games they give out each month. You might want to see what kind of games they've been offering and see if you're interested. Personally, I have PS+ because I play a lot of online games like Destiny 2 and Titanfall 2. The free games don't usually interest me. Other than that, the PS4 is a fantastic system with a huge library of good games. I'd definitely recommend Horizon Zero Dawn. One of the best games of the year and the best game on PS4. I haven't played Persona 5 but a lot of people love it. You also might like Nier: Automata if you haven't played it.

@link3710 PS+ gets you access to free games every month (that are available as long as you're a subscriber), some pretty steep discounts during sales (sometimes up to 20% more off the sale price of an item), and cloud saves. If you see yourself buying discounted digital games, then it pretty much pays for itself.

A year long subscription is actually on sale for $40 right now on Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/Year-PlayStation-Plus-Membership-Digit...

There are some enhancements to certain games if you're using a Pro. The remake of Shadow of the Colossus will run at 60fps on the Pro versus 30fps on the vanilla PS4, for example. Other games might smooth out framerate hitches or raise the resolution somewhat. I don't think it's really worthwhile if you don't own a 4KTV, though, considering the difference in price.

@link3710 @720 I'd probably skip the pro unless you planned on getting PSVR at some point. Personally the fake 4k on the Pro isn't really worth it in 4k either, and I'm not a true believer in 4k gaming. At 720p games still don't look CLOSE to as good as film at 720p. Shouldn't we be focusing on getting at least as good as 720p film for visuals before we worry about ramping resolution upward? 4k is silly for gaming (not silly for film but that's a different point.)

However to me the pro advantage is 3 things: Faster load times (it seriously is faster at loading....), and improved framerate stability and/or visuals on 1080p games. At 720 though I'm not sure it would actually matter. If you plan on going VR or 1080p though it may be worth considering depending on price diff.

I don't play online and haven't had + in years. Haven't missed anything and never missed out on games. I may subscribe this year just to play a few VR games online I haven't been able to yet, but I will be grumpy about that ridiculous $60 fee.

My glut of Switch games made my PS4 collect a lot of dust, and I don't like most of the 3rd party games (the ones you have on PC no doubt) but the PS exclusive library has really blossomed in the past 2 years. It's a much better system than was PS3.

@Ralizah Thanks for the tip about the PS+ sale! I was bummed i missed the black friday sale and THEN discovered I might want to try the VR games online. It's not quite the $35 it was on black friday, but I'll take it! (I feel kind of dirty subscribing again....)

@NEStalgia You're welcome!

I'm surprised how often it has gone on sale this year. A few times the last few months. And $40 is a pretty decent price for PS+... if I played my PS4 more, it'd be a no brainer. I think $40 is probably what it should be all the time.

They were killed by Peter Thiel because they said he was gay with Hulk Hogan and he wanted to drink their blood for revenge.
I think that's what happened.

Thanks everyone for the recommendations! I'm going to wait for the PS4 to go on sale again before buying, but I'm sure it'll hit a good price point bundled with something at some point this year.

@Ralizah $40 is what it was the last time I paid....as the full price.... it was gross when they started raising it to subsidize games. But at least I can feel less guilty (Nintendo's $20 sounds better all the time.)

@Dezzy LOL.....one of these days we should chip in and buy Theil a virtual beer for taking down a menace to human civilization, regardless the reasons. If only Kotaku and the rest of the Gawker family could go with it.

@link3710 I believe the MSRP for the Pro (1TB) is only $50 more than the vanilla PS4 (1TB), and some games also offer increased framerate for non-4K users. It has some other benefits as well, like some extra ports on the back, it's quieter, 1080p remote play and video recording, etc. And in the case you ever upgrade your TV, you're future-proofed.

I don't know what YummyHappyPills is eating, but I don't think I want any.

@Ralizah Thanks for the heads up. I definitely needed that sale.

@CanisWolfred And what's that supposed to mean?

Anyway, in PS4 relevant news, I played some Persona 5 with my friend who loves the game, and it's my first experience to the sub-series/spin-off that it is.

Gotta say, I thought Tokyo Mirage Sessions was far too Japan for my tastes, but this...jesus.

Checked out the latest trailer of Metal Gear Survive's singleplayer campaign...I'm still not feeling this one. I can see where they're going with it, why they think it'd work and be appealing to MGS fans, but eh...it just looks too boring. Like, I'd rather play No Man's Sky instead. Maybe if I played it co-op I'd get something out of it, but I don't know anyone who'd be interested, and I still wouldn't pay much for it...

Paragon:

I played a few bad matches where I decided maybe I should play Twinblast again. I have nothing against the character, but I've seen so many obnoxious Twinblast players that I got sick of him and stopped playing him out of spite. Someone else beat me to the punch, so I picked solo lane. That's meant for mele characters, but since it was vs AI, Twinblast's player decided to steal my lane, possibly so he could use me as a shield while he farms minions, effectively stealing gold I desperately need to buld health and defense so I could do my job as a tank. Put up with that once today, and I lost every teamfight. It's like I shouldn't have bothered showing up. I don't know why they do this, it never works once their opponent hits level 5, and then we lose a tower. :/

This time I figured...I have a card called coinmaster, and so I get extra gold periodically. Why not just quit and come back in 5 minutes? He'll have to switch lanes to help left lane, I mean, they'll struggle regardless. I can't go over there until I hit level 5, or I'll just feed the enemy DPS - I need that ultimate for the character I was playing.

So I do that, do the dishes, come back...it's a mess. Apparently the game glitched out hard after I quit. Twinblast couldn't hit the broad side of a barn due to lag. Gideon is floating. Our jungler had to reset. 3 of the enemies stayed at their base so we lucked out there, but Gadget had to manage the entire thing for a while. Twinblast quit as soon as I got back. I feel so bad. I mean, we won. I farmed my initial lane and had a huge edge over my opponent, who finally left base. Twinblast leaving meant another AI was inactive for a time, and overall I got to finish the map without him. Or Gideon, who went with a DPS build for some stupid reason, anyways. He's a mage that chucks meteors, why would you purposely limit that for the sake shooting tiny blast slightly faster than normal? Instead he got to float in a corner, occasionally firing tiny blasts at nothing so he doesn't get penalized.

I wanted to teach a single team member a lesson, but I could not even imagine the consequences that effected my entire team. I guess I should've realized it was a team game and stop worrying about personal glory...although it was way more fun this way. Not gonna lie, the AI is kind of dumb. I was actually afraid of Shinbi and Muriel for a while, despite them having the borkiest AI in the game. Shinbi literally wastes half if her mana before she even gets to her lane. It's like an in-joke. Yet at one point she actually forced me to scramble for an invisibility buff, since just a few hits would've been enough to kill me and send me back to base. She also had 10 kills before I got back. I don't want to know how that was possible.

and before anyone asks: That was a known issue. It's happened to me before. I've even been that guy who was stuck with extremely limited movement before, like Gideon there. Really sucks. Suddenly the game becomes a snail sim.