Topic: Sony forces new release date of The Last of Us 2 following LEAKS (No Spoilers on this thread.)

It was the most successful Tomb Raider game too.

I think this was due to budget issues though. They just spend way too much making them. They actually didn't say the same about Rise of Tomb Raider, even though it sold less. They said that performed satisfactorily, if I recall.

I'm pretty sure the gameplay and graphics will be praised for sure. But the majority of this game is story-driven, which will be a huge dumpster fire levels of trash.

Hmm, so is it actually possible that the leaks people were most concerned about relate to story that was changed by now .... ? That's really what they seem to be concerned about

@BruceCM What do you mean?

Well, since they won't say what's actually wrong with the leaks they've seen, @Octane .... I'm just wondering if those parts might have been changed at all between then & now

@BruceCM I don't know. I haven't seen them, and I don't intend to read the spoilers.

But of course it's an earlier build, I don't think it will be too different from the final version. So all the people that hate the story as much as if ND murdered their whole family, will probably still hate it in the end.

There was also an outrage when the TLOU DLC suggested Ellie was gay. So this doesn't surprise me really.

@BruceCM

Basically zero chance of that. The leaks were based on a build from February (it has the date in one of the debug mode videos). And the "problems" people have with it encompass large chunks of the game (it's not just 1 moment). No chance they've changed any of that.

You should definitely scrub from your mind the idea that it's that sort of outrage. It not anything like that.

@Dezzy Whatever, I'll discover it next month for myself. If I don't like it, too bad.

@Octane

You may want to avoid basically every video or news page about it then! Because it can be spoiled in a single line of text. It's not something that you need to kind of voluntarily sit and read through, it can be just forced into your mind by a random internet person.
That's what happened to me. I had no intention of originally reading the spoilers, but someone just sent me a message that I didn't realize was the spoiler until I'd already read it.

@Dezzy I'm trying. I already avoid all YouTube comments. I hope this thread and the PS4 thread remain safe. I'm not on Twitter or Facebook.

Well Neil Druckmann, confirmed that the game has "Gone Gold" now. So yea. Better have zero expectations of the story by this point.

@RainmakerF5

My expectations are....below par.

@Dezzy The pros are most likely gonna be the gameplay and graphics. The cons, are everything else.

Ooof, they posted a youtube video announcing the game had gone gold and it has about 60% downvotes.
People are definitely pissed.
I feel really bad for the 95% of devs at Naughty Dog who had no input on the story side of things.

well I didn't intend to follow much beyond this thread and then Jim has to make a video about it... I do agree on the fact that it's a bit annoying that some have moved the narrative that because it's not because of Naughty Dog's disgruntled employees, then that's... okay? Kinda? Idk but that's what I feel at times from how people talk about it. "game's okay and going to come out now so it's okay " and it... doesn't?

idk, maybe this is getting to politic-ish but I do have to point out that some game companies do amazing games and still have a good working culture (Watch some of supergiant's interviews and how they worked on hades)

I don't get why everyone is so upset about the leaks. I'm not going to spoil anything but I don't think based on those leaks that you can like or dislike the direction the story is taking. Everyone should wait until the full game is out before judging it. Look at life is strange for example if the ending of that game leaked before it was officialy released everyone would be upset as well....

@darkfenrir Different points of view I think. I don't think anyone's denying crunch happens at ND; in fact, Schreier's report from February is a good read. But when people state they don't believe ND, or Sony, that it wasn't a disgruntled employee, of course the narrative is going to revolve around that, because the question everyone had was; who is the culprit?

@Octane yeah, but I think I remember a tweet by the same Jason going (i don't remember the exact phrase, but in summary...) Condemning the ND's employee that do this instead of... Going to glassdoor or something iirc. Which from what I know is just a review based site and idk how that works.

Feelsweird when someone that advocate for something to be done under crunch immediately backing off when someone doing something that oprns floodgates. :V

Sorry for ranting in your mentions, but yeah, I do wish Sony and ND says more stuff about this because this reeks a bit of cover up.

@darkfenrir What do you mean by that? I don't really follow his Tweets, because I'm certain people are spoiling the story on Twitter.

And I think this is very much the reason why it revolves around this question, about who did it, and not so much about the crunch culture. Because people don't agree on this.

YongYea recently did a video on this, and he had a good point; Schreier was the one who reported on the crunch culture in the first place. Whatever you think of him, he clearly knows more than most people. But you can't just cherry pick his reports and believe what you want to believe. I know that the juiciest story would be that a disgruntled employee leaked the whole thing online, but really, that doesn't even make any sense. What benefit does he get from it? He'll be identified quickly, and can forget any potential future job opportunities. It spoils it for the people who were looking forward to this, and for the people who developed this. Nobody benefits from this.

Sometimes the truth is the boring story. Crunch can happen at ND, and they can be hacked at the same time. One doesn't rule out the other. I don't even know why this has turned into a conspiracy. Maybe we've all been too long inside lol. I feel that whatever Sony or ND say at this point isn't going to convince the people who aren't convinced already, because you can write everything off as ''part of a cover up''.