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Topic: Where's eShop Unlimited? $5/month or $10/month for unlimited gaming

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Octane wrote:

@spizzamarozzi $45 for three months as far as I know.

@Octane it's $45 for three months but just $99.99 if you go for the one year membership.

Sony's idea of a "deal" - a 90 dollar discount on a membership program that offers hundreds of games
Nintendo's idea of a "deal" - 20% off a NES VC .rom

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Actually I feel like breaking this down...

Charbax wrote:

I think it's the obvious thing. I've been saying it since the easy piracy days of Nintendo Wii, GC, Dreamcast, I've been saying it for over a decade. You can see also from my previous comments posted here since 2012.

First time I've seen your post

What is the yearly Switch attach rate that Nintendo is aiming for currently? 2 games sold per console?

I never heard of a goal, but if you include eShop games it would be more than just 2.

Well then easy. Make a subscription plan at $10/month that includes unlimited access to all games through the eShop.

I can already tell you this is a stupid idea that no one else does.

Nintendo Unlimited should also be available on any Android and iOS device through an official Nintendo emulator.

Hold on. We were talking about the Switch. Why in the world would you give people a reason NOT to buy one? Switch is already portable so why even bother with mobile devices.

For example:

Nintendo Unlimited Basic:

  • $5/month
  • includes 1 or 2 free premium games per year in eShop if you own a Switch
  • includes all back catalog of emulated Nintendo games (NES/SNES/GC/Wii) to run on Switch and on any Android or iOS device

Uh, Sony does this for more than $5 a month. Also, again with the mobile devices. You want to sell the dang Switch!

  • all the back-catalog of Nintendo games can have added online multi-player, new levels added
  • partner with Sega and if others too include all their back-catalog of games in it too

So you want them to spend money on development costs for a negligible return? Also, you do realize that one game sale equals the subscription price. This makes no business sense at all.

Nintendo Unlimited:

  • $10/month
  • same as above but no limit in amount of premium Switch games you can download play and uninstall when you're done with them

No one else does this and for good reason. You don't make something super valuable $10 a month.

So the Android users who don't have Switch (yet...) will probably be fine just with the Unlimited basic plan, while Switch owners will more likely go with the fully Unlimited plan, and boom.

Again, how is the Switch benefiting from this? You're giving people reason NOT to buy one.

That revenue will be much more than what Nintendo is making on selling games currently.

How? One game sale equals this price, so Nintendo isn't making much. Take Netflix for example. They are increasing prices because they have been losing money for a while.

I estimate this Unlimited gaming revenue

No such thing exists

might be as high as $6 Billion per year (50 Million Unlimited Basic Gamers paying $5/month and 25 Million Fully Unlimited Switch Gamers paying $10/month).

Minus development costs and marketing costs and server costs and licensing costs, royalties to the developers and publishers and...it's gone.

My estimate may even be conservative.

I doubt it.

Nintendo could be making tens of Billions of dollars on Unlimited Gaming. Funding a future of the best games ever created.

Why do you continue to ignore the fact that Nintendo doesn't own all the games on the eShop?

Nintendo should then try to release a perfect 6" Android Smartphone with Joycons support and full Switch games catalog support.

Now you're being ridiculous. You just said this service was available on all phones. Why would anyone buy a Nintendo phone when 3rd parties will release buttons for phones? Also, again, you are not even remotely selling the dang Switch itself by this point.

Nintendo should also design some perfect $49 Bluetooth Joycons

They cost less than the official ones?

that can be compatible with any Android and iOS device to add the most perfect gameplay possible to any existing smartphone or tablet out on the market.

You'll be fired within days. All your products are now eating each other.

So all the gamers who will subscribe to Nintendo Unlimited Basic on Android or iOS can try to have the best possible gaming experience by buying those universal snap-on each side of any sized smartphone/tablet for best possible universal gaming.

And not purchase that overpriced $300 console...

Boom. This would add $ Billions to Nintendo's yearly profits, will help fund tons of new games,

By charging less than the asking prices...

and also be the perfect platform for Nintendo to also be able to expand into the Smartphone industry.

While not selling their console...

This would also be the best platform to promote Switch to all this audience.

Why bother? You gave people reasons NOT to buy one!

Cause once you get a taste of playing a bit of Goldeneye,

Licensing fees pending

Super Mario 64 on your Smartphone, you will want to upgrade to the Switch phone or to the Switch1.

No, you don't. The Switch lost its selling points now.

Also Nintendo should upgrade to Switch2 in the near future if possible:
Switch2 should have:

  • Bezel-less larger higher resolution display
  • 4K TV output support
  • all current and past games can render in 4K through smart upscaling and rendering all textures with more detail automatically

For $10 a month!

Please everyone help me make sure Nintendo sees this obvious Business Strategy. This way Nintendo can easily also be the king of Android gaming. This way they will be selling even more Switches even faster. By providing a reasonable monthly Unlimited gaming platform, they will totally discourage future piracy. Let the Billions of Gamers worldwide finally be able to pay a reasonable price for unlimited gaming!

Do you even know what costs are? Obviously not.

That said, I now go Switch on my Mario Odyssey I just bought the Switch bundle and I just downloaded Mario Odyssey now. I wrote this post while the game was downloading. The next minutes/hours/days are probably going to be important for me. As a 35-year old I'm hopefully not too old yet for Nintendo gaming (I haven't played much since Wii Sports of nearly a decade ago). Hopefully I can still have time to also do my work.

You wasted your money. You should have saved for the $150 Switch phone!

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FX102A wrote:

Oh boy...

We got another "expert" here ūüôĄ

I never claimed to be an expert - just saying what the programme stated.

That was probably meant for the thread's creator.

Bloop.

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Meowpheelth, that's right!

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Charbax

DTMOF84 wrote:

@Charbax do you realize all the extra developement that would be needed to add all of this to all these devices. Not to mention the extra content you ask for. Did you take yourself seriously with this?

No extra development required.

The ARM ecosystem is like this, all those smartphones, tablets, Smart TVs, Set-top-boxes etc etc they're all quite compatible.

Now sure they use different skews of ARM processors and they use different types of GPUs and with different generations of each, but in general they all are quite compatible. The design of ARM processors are such that developers just program the apps/games once and those will work on Billions of devices with little to no optimizations needed.

The main optimizations Nintendo would do is in the emulators that they would ship and optimize for each of the major platforms, for example Nintendo can make a greatly optimized official Nintendo emulator that could play most games smoothly on any Snapdragon 835 based Smartphone/Tablet/Laptop, that would cover about a hundred million devices right there.

Then Nintendo can also optimize for the Mali GPU, cover another 500 million devices even though there are many different generations of the Mali GPU.

No need to port all the games to each platform, all the games remain the same, it's only the emulators that can eventually get optimized. And more work can be put towards optimizing the emulator if more users are using the emulator on a specific platform.

It's all common sense.

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TheLZdragon wrote:

Nintendo Unlimited should also be available on any Android and iOS device through an official Nintendo emulator.

Hold on. We were talking about the Switch. Why in the world would you give people a reason NOT to buy one? Switch is already portable so why even bother with mobile devices.

The Android and iOS industry is a Trillion dollar industry.

Just look at Google and Apple, those have become the biggest companies in the world, because of iOS and Android.

Nintendo needs to wake up and grab the obvious easy money by making their back-catalog of games compatible on those platforms and make the Nintendo emulator an official app on those platforms and through that emulator provide unlimited gaming access for a reasonable small monthly fee.

Some of the games can even be free and ad-supported. And sell stuff within the game. Just look at Pokemon Go.

TheLZdragon wrote:

  • all the back-catalog of Nintendo games can have added online multi-player, new levels added
  • partner with Sega and if others too include all their back-catalog of games in it too

So you want them to spend money on development costs for a negligible return? Also, you do realize that one game sale equals the subscription price. This makes no business sense at all.

My suggestion means Nintendo will make 10x more money. Them spending a small budget on adding online multi-player support to Goldeneye N64 and Super mario kart SNES would be a piece of cake and bring them 1000x that investment back.

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Charbax wrote:

It's all common sense.

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Charbax

TheLZdragon wrote:

Again, how is the Switch benefiting from this? You're giving people reason NOT to buy one.

Nintendo excels in gameplay from the software to the hardware. The gaming experience will always be far inferior on an iPhone compared with on a proper $300 Switch.

And Nintendo can still make plenty enough hardware profit selling the Switch at $199. The money is in the software anyway, that's probably how Nintendo's profits have always mostly come from selling the software.

In the future, if you buy a Nintendo-licensed 4K TV with full Switch 4K support built-in to the TV, once you buy all the Switch Pro controllers, you'll maybe get 3 months free Nintendo Unlimited support, then what happens is you get hooked and you continue your subscription for 5 years maybe. That's $600.

Over the past decade since the Wii, Nintendo has learnt that their money is not in serving just the hard core gamers, Nintendo's money is in serving games for the casual gamer.

Currently it looks like Nintendo is making $4.2 Billion yearly revenue with a $894 Million yearly profit.

What I am suggesting would bring in probably more than double that in revenue and profit. And on the other hand it will mean both the hardcore gamers and the casual gamers both will be able to play many more games, try out many more of the games which they would otherwise never even try.

Nintendo Unlimited is a threat to the resellers though. And that may be the main reason Nintendo doesn't want to make this significant change, yet. All the stores, shops, will be pissed off the day Nintendo cuts them out of the gaming industry. But those intermediaries take more than 25% of the gaming revenue out of the market, and by them controlling the market like that with game sales, it keeps the gaming industry's potential down, I believe Nintendo could be making 2x more money selling the games as a subscription service directly to the users worldwide. It may be much more than a 2x increase.

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Charbax wrote:

Them spending a small budget on adding online multi-player support to Goldeneye N64

That's brilliant! The money Nintendo make can be spent on legal fees for altering and selling games that don't belong to them...

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dizzy_boy wrote:

If you want Nintendo to change something, email the idea to them. It does no good sitting on forum where Nintendo will more than likely never see it.

I figure nobody is going to see an email that I send to a random Nintendo support email address where some random worker discards it most probably. While here, I am sure you know Reggie and you can let him know to tell his Japanese boss that my idea makes 100% sense.

Nintendo just needs to wake up to this huge opportunity.

Switch, eShop, everything's ready. The Nintendo CEO just needs to activate the revolution, perhaps they will activate the business model Switch just after a few more premium titles like Mario Odyssey and Zelda are available in the eShop.

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@Charbax
I genuinely cannot believe that you have even the basic understanding of how business or economics works on this planet.

I am pretty sure you are some sort of alien life form.

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Ha, i actually was totally going to, but i think the level of WTF in this one is beyond even Zoidberg's shaming powers.

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Charbax

subpopz wrote:

TV shows and movie piracy is still very much alive and well.

Sure it is, but there's a reason Netflix, Amazon Prime, HBO and YouTube are able to invest $200 Billion into creating new original TV shows and movies in the coming year.

subpopz wrote:

Yes, subscriptions services are easy and cheap, but not when you need multiple ones.

It may be crazy, but that's why I think those subscription services need to agree on a fair peering agreements and "include everything" on each of the subscription plans.

Hear me out.

It's like when backbone providers pay to use eachothers bandwidth only the one using more of the other ones' bandwidth has to pay.

Netflix and Amazon Prime for example should instantly agree to share with eachother all their content, so if you're subscribed to one you get access to all the content from both. But if you watch more of the Netflix originals while you're an Amazon Prime subscriber, then Amazon must pay a larger share of their revenue from you to Netflix. And in Amazon's case this must include also all that other revenue they make when you use any of the other Amazon services like buying stuff shipped to your house.

So that peering agreement would for example likely mean that Amazon would be paying Billions of dollars per year to Netflix in this type of peering arrangement. Amazon would be totally fine and happy cause that would mean a whole bunch more Amazon Prime subscribers who buy all their toilet paper and etc on the Amazon system.

I'm thinking that something like $20/month should be enough to cover everything. Unlimited movies, tv shows, games, music, apps, articles, ebooks, everything.

Each of the different subscription platforms need to soon start to interoperate with eachother or else the Government needs to get involved and just institute a blanket licence for all copyrighted content. And even fund that through taxes, so everyone must pay no matter if you use or not.

$5/person/month average through taxes for all content would amount to $456 Billion per year. Don't tell me $456 Billion per year can't be enough to fund the creation of all the world's content.

Redistribution of that money can be done fairly and transparently according to easily measurable popularity and originality of each piece of content. Those statistics are made by companies like Google it's how Google search for example is done. You can't trick Google, they have all kinds of ways to really know what is popular and relevant.

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shaneoh wrote:

Charbax wrote:

Them spending a small budget on adding online multi-player support to Goldeneye N64

That's brilliant! The money Nintendo make can be spent on legal fees for altering and selling games that don't belong to them...

Every game publisher will want to be a part of this system. Why should Rareware/Microsoft want to say no to Millions of dollars of new revenue?

Of course I am not suggesting Nintendo should steal anything. Nintendo should simply create new opportunity for the game developers of the past and for those of tomorrow.

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Charbax wrote:

Each of the different subscription platforms need to soon start to interoperate with eachother or else the Government needs to get involved and just institute a blanket licence for all copyrighted content. And even fund that through taxes, so everyone must pay no matter if you use or not.

Yup, definitely an alien life form. And apparently one bent on global conquest.

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the_shpydar wrote:

@Charbax
I genuinely cannot believe that you have even the basic understanding of how business or economics works on this planet.

I am pretty sure you are some sort of alien life form.

100 Million gamers x $10/month =
$12 Billion per year

Nintendo's current yearly revenue = $4 Billion

Smell the money. Is all I'm saying.

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Charbax wrote:

Every game publisher will want to be a part of this system. Why should Rareware/Microsoft want to say no to Millions of dollars of new revenue?

There is also the likenesses of the actors used in the games. But if it's millions of dollars in revenue, then why should Nintendo be making the changes to these games?

Charbax wrote:

Of course I am not suggesting Nintendo should steal anything. Nintendo should simply create new opportunity for the game developers of the past and for those of tomorrow.

They did, they made the Switch...

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Charbax wrote:

the_shpydar wrote:

@Charbax
I genuinely cannot believe that you have even the basic understanding of how business or economics works on this planet.

I am pretty sure you are some sort of alien life form.

100 Million gamers x $10/month =
$12 Billion per year

Nintendo's current yearly revenue = $4 Billion

Smell the money. Is all I'm saying.

Okay, you honestly cannot be this naive/ignorant. This all must be some sort of extremely elaborate, method-acting level of trolling.

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Charbax

the_shpydar wrote:

Charbax wrote:

the_shpydar wrote:

@Charbax
I genuinely cannot believe that you have even the basic understanding of how business or economics works on this planet.

I am pretty sure you are some sort of alien life form.

100 Million gamers x $10/month =
$12 Billion per year

Nintendo's current yearly revenue = $4 Billion

Smell the money. Is all I'm saying.

Okay, you honestly cannot be this naive/ignorant. This all must be some sort of extremely elaborate, method-acting level of trolling.

Why would I be trolling? There're 3 Billion smartphone users in the world. Soon it's 4 Billion of them. Why wouldn't just 3% of those be interested in unlimited Nintendo gaming?

And doing just some random Google search:

The amount of gamers in the world has reached 1.8 billion, with 1.2 billion gamers playing on PC.
62% of gamers use a PC while 56% use a console.

so out of 2 Billion gamers in 2018, why wouldn't just 5% of them want an unlimited access to all Nintendo games on this subscription service?

You don't think Nintendo makes the best games in the world? Nintendo's games aren't good enough to warrant that 3% of smartphone users or 5% of gamers pay a subscription fee for unlimited access to all the new and back-catalog of Nintendo games including also all kinds of upgrades to the back-catalog with new levels and features such as adding online multiplayer?

Super Mario Cart SNES is 10x better than Angry Birds, and imagine a version with online multi-player gameplay.

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