Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

I had one of those Spectrums, @MrFox .... I think it'll depend just how much of an upgrade the 'pro' ends up being! At the moment, the only thing that is definite is the new screen & the output in 4K for TV mode. IF other hardware revision rumours have any basis, there'd be significant improvements beyond that, though

I don't think the New 3DS route would happen regarding exclusive 1st party games on the new Switch revision because the big difference between the 3DS and the Switch is the 3DS was weaker than older Nintendo home consoles at the time like the Wii so it made sense that some games wouldn't run on the standard 3DS meanwhile the Switch is the most powerful Nintendo system so all ports would technically run on the base Switch and having a few new games exclusive would be sending those games out to flop.

If the improvements are meaningful to 1st party games they'll likely do the original XB1 -> Series X transition plan where no games are exclusive for like 2 years and then it's all exclusive.

Heh, I think there are a few people around of a similar age, @MrFox .... At least some of the things I've heard will probably turn out to be either mistaken about something, overestimating it's performance effects or they're just being very hopeful on little to no basis! Unfortunately, it's difficult to tell when there's so many rumours & so much speculation around. I am hoping the next upgrade is mostly focused on TV mode, since that won't affect me & my Lite
IF there's significant performance improvements otherwise, they'd have to do a new Lite soon, as well, which isn't being leaked/ rumoured/ speculated, though! I'm not going to buy a 'hybrid' Switch now I'm happy with my Lite.

Well, I didn't really know about the 'upgrades' for the +2, since that was 1st one I got, @MrFox but as well as those of us old enough to have had one originally, there's quite a few younger retro enthusiasts around, generally, who'd at least have heard of it .... Don't think we have a friends list system here, though!
If it is supposed to come out sometime around November/ early December, Nintendo won't say anything for a few months yet!

Yeah, well, there's quite a few here in the UK, too, @MrFox ..... My friend at school had the C64, too!

@Mr-Fuggles777
He didn't reveal which game. Obviously, information like that is sensitive.

And it's not "Nintendo" so "Nintendo" isn't splitting anything. But even if it was, it worked fantastic on New 3DS, which sold incredibly well. Not sure where this idea came from that having one or two exclusive games "didn't work well".

You sound bitter. Did you get up in arms when PS4 Pro and Xbox One X was announced? No? Then why are you up in arms over a better device millions of people want? If you don't want it, don't buy it.

@TheJGG
Nobody said anything about Nintendo making exclusive games. There is no evidence suggesting that. The evidence suggests some 3rd parties will bring games that simply cannot run on the current model. How many? Don't know. But it seems there will be at least one, if the info is accurate.

Filbert Fox!

In the 80s, most people were so impressed with home consoles just existing at all, that it didn't make much difference that there were so few games. We had a Commodore 64, and I only ever played like 3 different games on it.

The reason I keep playing most of my games on Switch instead of of more logical alternatives like PS5 or Xbox or PC is because I can take them anywhere. Period. I don't care how much the graphics are pared down, the hybrid nature trumps performance downgrades a hundred times over for me.

I'm going to sadly have to get crash 4 a week after, some stuff came up so I can't get it on day bummer.

Really think the new switch revision needs its own thread. I’m not a big thread maker someone else could do better. Lots of things to discuss though.

@Qwertyninty You just need to pick one, there's been loads of Switch Pro rumour threads.

@MrFox

Well I didn't know there were that many (where you getting the 26,000 number from?)

It's not like there was an internet or Amazon back then. The only games we were aware of were the ones they happened to have in the only nearby store, which was tiny.

That must be the version after mine, @Rambler ..... Still, I upgraded to the Atari ST later & that had a floppy disc drive!

@MrFox

Which is your "town centre" by the way? Lol it might be the same as mine.

You might not do, that’s your use case, by others are different. The demand is there as evidenced by Switch sales, the ports keeping on coming and indeed the history of gaming where Dedicated Portable Game Systems have been hugely popular for over 30 years.

@rallydefault
The reason I keep playing most of my games on Switch instead of of more logical alternatives like PS5 or Xbox or PC

I don't think those are more logical at all. A lot of people act like the Almighty Himself declared graphics and performance to be the defining metric for what constitutes the "best choice", but no such declaration has ever been made.

Graphics and performance are just one variable of a multi-variable equation predicting optimal platform, where the weight of each variable changes depending on a person's preferences and hierarchy of values.

To me, the more logical choice is Switch, always has been and, unless a new product enters the market, always will be Switch.

If you were to model "marginal fun" as a function of system power, or in other words, the additional amount of fun gained per unit of power increase, you would find the curve's derivative is decreasing and approaching zero as power approaches infinity.

Set up a differential equation:

df = m*dp

The difference in fun equals the marginal fun (slope) times the increase in power. As we approach diminishing returns, increasing res from 1080p to 2160p doesn't really add that much additional fun to the experience. It does add to the experience, just not nearly as much as certain other things. Improving framerate from 30 to 60 doesn't add that much additional fun to the experience. It adds some, just not nearly as much as certain other things.

But hybrid handheld-tabletop-console play adds a TON of additional fun to the experience. Furthermore, an increase in power when you're talking 540p handheld and 720p docked, and unstable framerates struggling to hit 30, it adds a lot more fun to the experience than when performance is already much higher. So a newer model Switch would see much more tangible improvements and significantly higher increase of fun than jumping from a PS4 to PS5, or Xbox One to Series X, for example.

People aren't gonna know what to do next gen when the graphical leap is virtually imperceptible, and all it offers is higher numbers on paper that don't translate to any tangible benefit. As mobile tech is increasing at a faster rate than desktop PCs, Switch revisions will close the gap further and further, until eventually you have games that look 95% the same as on consoles. At which point, there's gonna be alot of people questioning whether that 5% better visuals is worth forfeiting 67% versatility, by only getting 1 out of 3 ways to play.

@JaxonH
Honestly dude, it's simpler than that for most people. But you know that and are just trying to be a bit snarky.

"Logical" to most people when it comes to choosing a gaming platform really just boils down to:

• Does it have the games I want?
• Do my friends play on it?
• Do I like the controller?
• Will it load games fast and do they look good?

That's pretty much it. Frankly, a lot of people probably just look at those first two items.

For most people, that means the PS5 and Xbox are extremely logical choices, if not the most logical over the Switch, and that's just based purely on those first two factors. Chances are, the majority of gamers have way more friends on Xbox/PS ecosystems if the last couple gens are used as data points (yes the Wii sold a lot but wasn't exactly an online hub), and the Xbox/PS ecosystems just get way more games. Period.

The Switch, outside of its hybrid nature, is probably a very illogical first choice for most people when it comes to gaming. For me, it's my first choice because the hybridity is what fits my lifestyle right now even if I have to sacrifice some of those other things on the list.

@rallydefault
No? Not snarky at all. It was a dead serious post. Not sure why you'd think I'm being snarky. I'm breaking down the actuality of the situation.

Since as I said, it's a multivariable equation where things like "power" are just one variable. There are many others.

Just because people dont analyze it as such doesn't mean it doesn't accurately describe what's really happening. And that IS what's happening. Things like this get modeled in economics all the time. People don't have to understand it, but it is what's happening.

Of course many people will see other systems as their logical choice. Obviously. But there's a difference between THEIR logical choice and THE logical choice. There is no "THE" logical choice.

Bottom line being, for many people, the value brought to the table by hybrid advantage far exceeds the value brought to the table by incremental power only. So any attempt to describe other systems as the "default logical choice" is erroneous at best. There is no default logical choice. Hybrid advantage is just as viable and compelling as more power. Some will choose one. Some will choose the other. But there is no objective "better" or objective "logical choice".

There is only personal preference. And I will fight against the culture of power being the be all end all determining factor as to what is "objectively better". I'm tired of hearing Youtubers review Switch games, then spend half the review talking about how it doesn't measure up graphically and then end with, "it's a great way to play if you don't have better options". Wait, what? "Better options"? There are no "better options". People don't play Switch because they're poor, pitiful gamers who can't afford "better options", they play Switch because for them, it IS the "better option".

@Mr-Fuggles777

No love for Paper Mario: TOK?

@JaxonH
I just disagree. I think there are logical choices when it comes to gaming: the places that have your friends and have the games you want. Anything else would be illogical, technically.

@Magician
No joke, Origami King is one of my favorite games of all time. I'm doing another playthrough right now, actually. I can see this being a game I replay every few years just like Ocarina.