@GameOtaku that's a good idea, but I think disc's are so cheap & common, that the card's cost seems absurd to game companies. Or there's a real production inconvenience with cards we aren't seeing. Otherwise, I'm not sure why everyone seems so averse to the cards. Unless they hate selling their media in a durable cartridge form.
Romance of the Three Kingdoms XIV is out on Switch, finally. Any of you Civilization VI fans out there, or history buffs, this game will be right up your alley.
There’s actually an English Asian physical version on Play-Asia as well. Had to order that too. I’ve been wanting this series on Switch for years now. Massively disappointed when I saw Nobanuga’s Ambition and Romance of the Three Kingdoms XIII announced for Switch, but never made it out of Japan.
Good to know about the physical version. I don’t have the space otherwise. I want Nobunaga’s Ambition but the font is too small for me to comfortably deal with in Japanese ( I said that about the english ps4 version too) so I am stuck with the PS4 version (which I think is in storage) for now.
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@rallydefault Octopath is also on PC, most 3rd party Switch exclusives are console exclusive rather than full exclusive.
In my mind, that means it's just not exclusive lol Not everyone has a PC, but everyone has a phone. It's just weird to me that Square Enix is like... hrm... yea, we'll put Octopath on PC, but NO WAY will we let it hit another console. That's just a bridge too far.
It also seems weird to me if that's how the exclusivity deal was inked with Nintendo. Octopath will be "exclusive" to the Switch but also on PC/mobile, so pretty much every human being who doesn't own a Switch can still get it somewhere else? I hope Nintendo didn't pay much for that kind of exclusivity lol
@rallydefault
Not sure if I fully agree. You make a reasonable case, but I think the fact so many companies are willing to let their games go to PC but not other consoles, is evidence worth considering. If what you’re saying is true then you would expect to see games go to all consoles, not just PC. but that isn’t what we observe. What we observe is consistent with PC not having nearly as much overlap with the console market.
Even if everyone has a phone, it’s not viewed as a legitimate gaming platform by most console gamers (or PC gamers, for that matter).
Basically, you have the console/handheld market- devices built ground up dedicated to gaming as the primary function. And then you have alternative markets, such as PC, mobile and cloud. A game can be ported to an alternative market and technically, you’re correct, the game is not a full exclusive anymore. But it is still console exclusive, and that matters because of the massive chunk of gamers who only play on consoles. It doesn’t mean everyone does. If a game goes to PC, for example, there’s a lot of additional people who will be able to play it, but since that market has much less overlap with the console market than individual consoles do amongst themselves, it doesn’t have a significant impact on the console version’s appeal.
This is less true for Xbox and PS games that go to PC, because there seems to be more overlap between the Switch and PC market, so when an Xbox or PS game goes to PC there is probably a larger loss of sales as a result than if, for example, a Switch game goes to PC. But even then, there’s still a large majority of console gamers that don’t have any interest playing games outside the console ecosystem. They only want to play on devices built for gaming and convenience.
So the idea that a game going to PC means console exclusivity has no value... I just don’t agree with that. It will have less value, for sure. As an estimate for example’s sake, let’s say PS/Xbox games lose 30% value going to PC, and Switch games lose 15%. That’s still 70-85% value retained as a console exclusive.
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Only Nintendo has access to what they believe is their market overlap between Switch/PC/Mobile. Maybe it's relatively small, 15% or so like you said - none of us here can possibly know that number or even accurately guess at it. My hunch (and only a hunch) is that the Switch, a machine that appeals to casual gamers, probably has a pretty good overlap with the mobile market, another casual-friendly piece of hardware. Just as an anecdote, look at the Stardew Valley thread and people talking about preferring to play it on their tablet over their Switch.
My point is just that a game that appears on other easily accessible hardware is not exclusive, period. You can clutch to terms like "console exclusive" if that makes you feel better, that's fine. I just hope these "exclusivity" deals for games that also get on PC and mobile cost Sony/Nintendo/MS a lot less than actually true exclusivity deals.
@rallydefault
I don’t think anyone claims games appearing on other hardware is full exclusive. It’s not clutching to a term to say console exclusive, and it doesn’t make me feel any kind of way. It’s just a descriptor which accurately communicates an idea, that idea being that the game is only available on one specific console. And being console exclusive has value, because of the overwhelming number of people who only play games on dedicated consoles.
Yes, you’re going to find people who play on their tablets and phones- those people do exist, but you’d actually need to research the percentage, because I suspect the overlap is not nearly as much as you think, and the overlap that is present doesn’t necessarily mean people want to play the same games on mobile, unless they want a portable version and have no better option available, like a Switch version (point being, the mobile version becomes irrelevant once a better option presents itself, so it’s not “competition”). So, if they play a game designed for dedicated gaming hardware, and they have that option, that’s where they’re going to play it.. Civilization VI is a perfect example. It came to mobile and there’s a small collective of people that play it, but that’s all it is. A small collective, almost all of whom don’t own a Switch. Or consider Monster Hunter Stories, which released as MH Riders on iOS. You see people bring that up as an option all the time in the MH subreddit, and the responses are always overwhelmingly, “don’t care”.
And I imagine console exclusivity deals do cost less. Why wouldn’t they. But I can’t imagine they cost considerably less, given the fact being console exclusive still has a lot of value.
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@JaxonH
I think it's misleading to call Octopath Traveler an exclusive if it's on PC and mobile. I don't know what else to say lol You can add the tag "console" exclusive to make it technically correct, but I think that's dumb. It's not exclusive. Kind of like how the Switch Lite literally isn't a Switch. It can't switch. One word may make some people say "Ah, but see," but I don't buy it. If I can get the game somewhere else, no matter where it is (legally, of course), it's not exclusive.
@rallydefault
Misleading to call it full exclusive. Agreed. Yes, that is dumb, because it's not. Who's doing that though? Am I missing something? But... it is console exclusive. So it's more than technically correct to call it that, it's just correct.
I don't see how that's dumb. It is console exclusive. Calling it as such is just description of fact. No other dedicated gaming device exists on which you can play the game. And given the console market is the most important market in gaming, that's a description that has value. Why would someone be against a term that communicates knowledge of value?
The Switch Lite comparison doesn't really apply unless you're saying full exclusive (and even then, I don't think it applies at all because Switch is the platform name that categorically represents which games can play on the system- it's more than a descriptor, it's a brand name). But again, who's doing that? If it's said to be console exclusive, then that's just what it is. Why get upset over an accurate description? Is the game available on another console? Then why get upset if it's described as such?
That seems to be limiting communication for no good reason. We don't live in a binary world, and there are different levels of categorization on a variable scale. Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate is Nintendo exclusive, for example. Is it Wii U exclusive? No. It's also on 3DS. But describing it as Nintendo exclusive still has value, because it adequately conveys the factual information that Nintendo platforms are the only platforms on which the game is available. Console exclusive adequately conveys, in a concise manner, a game is only available on one dedicated gaming platform, though it may exist outside of the dedicated console space.
Like mathematical set notation- there may be only one Real solution. Other solutions may exist in the Complex world, so it's not necessarily the exclusive solution, but it is the exclusive Real solution. Why do people care? Because often Real numbers are the ones which are pertinent. Likewise, for many gamers, consoles are what is pertinent. So describing a game as the only console solution has value, even if solutions exist outside consoles, just like Real number solutions have value, even if solutions exist outside the Real number system.
@rallydefault To be fair to Octopath, it was actually a legit complete Switch exclusive for like a full year before the PC release and even then it's still a console exclusive with no chance of showing up on PlayStation or Xbox
For many people who don't prefer PC gaming especially, it might as well be a complete exclusive since they're not interested in that sector of gaming to begin with and in terms of consoles it's the only option they have
The Switch Lite comparison is also flawed in the fact that the Switch name is for branding. That's what the platform is called. They're just all called the Nintendo Switch because they're variants of the same console even if they function slightly different
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Function slightly different? A Switch Lite doesn't switch! lol
@JaxonH
If they want to call something a "console" exclusive, then yes, they need to label it that way. The only reason I got into all this was because somebody, probably pages ago at this point, said Octopath was still an exclusive. It's not. It's also on PC and mobile. That's all I was saying. We don't need to get into mathematical set notation lol
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