Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

So here it is. It happened again this time playing a download of Clubhouse Games.

Let it get a bit louder this time before undocking. Only stopped once I wiggled it around and pressed the back but it can also come back at random in handheld.

If it's a loose fan it's really finicky about it.

How would Atlus know if people have double dipped?

I'm also not convinced a significant portion of people buy any game on PS4 after owning it on PC, unless the PS4 release comes with additional features.

Yeah people double dip on Switch stuff likely because of the added versatility of the Switch as a console. PS4 doesn't really have that. The advantage the PS4 has is that PlayStation is just where the audience has been for Persona but that's not to say that hindered P4G from doing well on PC by itself. I think it broke half a million in sales after just a week on the market which is likely what even convinced them to port Persona 5 Strikers to Steam mid way through localization on that game

If anything I'm surprised they didn't do P4G on PS4 before PC considering Persona 5 blew the hell up on PS4 and was responsible for bringing a crap ton of people into the series even before stuff like Joker in Smash or all the mobile crossovers

There isn’t nearly as much overlap among PC, PS and Xbox because they’re all TV based platforms (in the context of console gaming- I know many PC gamers use a monitor), and share 99% of the same library. There’s some overlap, probably due to the 1% exclusives, but nothing too significant. I suppose Steam’s gyro helps draw a tiny bit of overlap, but I suspect most of the people who prefer Gyro have just completely converted over, because it’s hard to go back to sticks only once you acclimate. That said, MS’s play anywhere does incentivize owning an Xbox and PC. not sure how many people take advantage of that though, at least, as a result of the initiative versus people who already had both.

There’s a lot of overlap with Switch and PC, Switch and PS, and Switch and Xbox though. Because switch offers hybrid handheld gaming, and differentiates itself enough with its exclusives (not just a mere count of how many it has, but the actual types of exclusive gaming experiences it offers- Nintendo provides a certain unique flavor not found elsewhere- notably non-realistic, gameplay-focused experiences that are really fun to play). The gyro also helps add appeal for multiplats which are stick-only elsewhere (although Steam offers gyro as well, as mentioned).

@Haruki_NLI
Ya, that sounds like “time to buy a new Switch” to me. Salvage what you can- dock, joycon, grip, charger, which combined are worth around $200 if bought individually. So it’s kinda like you’re getting $200 of free accessories with a new Switch purchase.

Always look on the bright side 😁

@JaxonH Switch is definitely more susecptible to being considered a secondary console for those who already have any of the others. I personally have a PS4, a PC and Switch and I'm also scouting for a PS5 at the moment. I do a considerable amount of overlap in the "owns a PC and a console" space considering PC is almost always the best option for major AAA multiplats and especially legacy games like older 6th and 7th gen titles, so there are people I know who either have a PlayStation and a PC or an Xbox and a PC, but mostly the former

Switch is a console that's always fallen into a niche for me due to how different its exclusive offerings are from Sony's and that's basically how I treat it and I assume I'm far from the minority on that. I've barely encountered anyone who only owns a Switch as their sole console for everything

Sorry for the really late response, I've been busy recently. 🤔😐

@Slowdive
That sounds pretty promising once the new server system gets up and running. That would explain the MH Rise Frind List glitch. 🤔
I guess Capcom must (secretly) have a really solid (behind the scenes) relationship with Nintendo, since Nintendo seems to give Capcom priority with certain things, like taking Capcom's advice on the amount of RAM they should use for the Switch, and now this.
That being said, I do have a few questions. 🤔
Did Oatmeal Dome say how long this transition has been in development for? I thought I saw something about it being started last year, but I just wanted to double-check.
I know that all the first-party games use the NEX infrastructure, but do third party games also use it, or do they just use their own "dedicated servers"?
Did Oatmeal Dome give a timeframe on when NPLN would start being used for most (if not all) of the games? I don't recall seeing a timeframe, so that's why I'm asking.

@SM3DASislit @Slowdive That transition will happen and no one will notice. It's backend and won't affect online gameplay. The gameplay will still be peer-to-peer and you'll only be accessing the servers for lobbies and matchmaking and such. So...yay for faster match-making.
Unless they also plan on replacing and using better netcode, but otherwise don't get your hopes up of any noticeable change in any game using peer-to-peer (which the vast majority do).

@TheFrenchiestFry
I think that's partly just the crowd you may associate with, but also a vestige of Nintendo having little console presence for the last 2 decades (barring Wii, which didnt really penetrate core gaming audiences as much as sales would have one believe).

But that's changing pretty rapidly now. Switch is the first Nintendo console I can recall since being a child where it can sufficiently serve as a sole console. Not that I choose to opt for such an approach- but I'm a gaming hobbyist- I have a $4k PC, a PS5, multiple Switches, Vita, 3DS, etc. But I do still play mostly on Switch, which is a major change from last generation where I was split about 40% PS4, 40% 3DS, 15% Wii U and 5% Vita. Now it's 90% Switch, 10% PC, and we'll see how PS5 factors in once it gets some games rolling over the next few years.

But I know quite a few people who only play on Switch (seems like almost everyone at my work now), some of them lapsed gamers who aren't looking to own multiple consoles yet, others who owned PS/Xbox but only casually, and now predominately play Switch. And I think that's because Nintendo has finally provided a viable system capable of completely sating the needs of its consumers. At least, the ones who don't fit the more hobbyist multi-console owner profile.

Of course, that's not to say I think everyone is like that. There's a huge swell of multiconsole gamers that own 2, if not 3, even 4 different platforms. I think the most common split I've personally observed is PC/Switch. Presumably because PC gamers aren't as interested in traditional consoles, but Switch offers something different. And many of them may stick with PC most of the time and only dabble in the occasional Switch exclusive or indie, while other, more Nintendo centric ones stick with Switch most of the time and only dabble in the occasional big multiplat on Steam. I think games starting to offer cross save across PC and Switch has helped. Witcher 3, Divinity Original Sin 2, Immortals Fenyx Rising, Hades, etc. This incentivizes cross platform play.

Also, PC gamers are keenly aware better input methods exist beyond traditional dual sticks, and Switch is the one platform that consistently offers Gyro aiming in both 1st and 3rd party games. And that helps bridge the divide.

At the end of the day though, it doesn't really matter if it's considered a primary, secondary or even tertiary console for someone. As long as they buy it and play it, that's what matters. I think for those who are established, traditional power console gamers, Switch will have great appeal as a secondary device. And that's great. One of its greatest strengths is that it offers value for everyone, whether you're just a gamer who likes Switch and only wants to play Switch games, whether your a PS/Xbox gamer who just wants to catch a few exclusives on the side, whether you're a PC gamer who wants to supplement their setup with a way to play portably... the more people that see enough value in the device to warrant a purchase, the better. Be they casual Switch gamers or die hard Nintendo fans.

@FragRed I mean, Atlus averages just over 3 new games and one port/remaster a year released. So that means Atlus must also announce the same number on average. I don't think 1 port/remaster and 2 new games is out of the question.

@SM3DASislit I'm not sure how secret Capcom's relationship with Nintendo is. They're one of (if not the only) the only 3rd party developers to have worked on multiple mainline titles for Nintendo IPs (Zelda and Kirby via Flagship), many of their IPs are heavily Nintendo associated (Megaman, Monster Hunter, G&G, etc.) and they are one of the only companies to release multiple exclusives on the Wii U. That alone had to help account for why Nintendo approached them about the Switch.

@JaxonH Already got six Joy-Con and two Pro Controllers. 🤣

Problem is a Switch right now is rare. Unless that Monster Hunter one is still on for preorder. Just can't go without streaming Switch games for 2 months 🤣🤣🤣

The Bayonetta 3 "news" is getting agonizing - not because of what's said in itself, but people's overblown reaction to it. Amazing how when Hideki Kamiya essentially tells people not to hang on to every word he says about Bayonetta 3 (rightfully so - it's a Nintendo published game so they will want to do all the marketing under their own terms), people's automatic response is...to go mad about every word he says.

@JaxonH Yeah, Switch is very strange in my circle as well in that it seems to be the one console that pretty much all my gamer friends have. The last I experienced this for a Nintendo system was maybe...the Gameboy? And even then, the difference between home and handheld was much larger so people were doing the bulk of gaming on something else. I even know a few people that do all of their gaming on Switch. Really goes to show the broad appeal of the Switch.

@Haruki_NLI
Got you.

MH Switch Amazon ES

@timleon The funny thing Bayonetta hasn't got the kinds of sales that it's millions of people of foaming at the mouth for news, it's a relatively small franchise. Darn fanboys ;p

@jump Bayonetta always seemed to receive way more interest in the internet than actual sales ever achieved. Just look at the huge blow up when it was confirmed the second game was to be exclusive to a Nintendo console, then the same again when the third was announced to be exclusive.

Hmm, NSO Game Trials seem to be happening more often. Previously it seemed to be a rare occurrence but the past few months it has been more often:

• CTR (December 30th - January 5th)
• Dead Cells (January 26th - February 1st)
• Overcooked 2 (February 10th - February 16th)

@Grumblevolcano

My only real guesses as to why this is happening is that, since we're in a bit of a dry phase in terms of releases, Nintendo is doing this so we have some things to play in short bursts. Not like it helps people who already have these games, but you get the point.

Either that, or they realize their online subscription is such a poor value that they're trying to rope more people in with these free trials.

@FragRed Yeah, that's Platinum Games in general. Beloved by the hardcore gamers on the internet but their sales don't match their intensity, it's only Astral Chain and Nier: Automata that have been true hits which is sad thinking about it.

@link3710 why would Nintendo never knowledge Zelda 35th anniversary?Legend of Zelda is one of Nintendo bigest franchise, besides they are working on Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild 2 since 2017.

@Giancarlothomaz If they don't it's because they don't have enough ready that they wouldn't get blowback for acknowledging it with only a paltry offering.

lol