Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

Oooh... Ori.

Yes to that.

The Ori collector edition arrived and is glorious. The exclusive cover art is so slick.

In regards to the Xbox Live Gold talk last page, seems Microsoft has reverted it and also promised to make f2p games like Fortnite not require Xbox Live any longer.

@JaxonH Mine too! I've been playing Will of the Wisps non-stop, it's so good. Definitely up with Hollow Knight in terms of quality, and a huge improvement from (the still very good) Blind Forest.

@link3710
I'm just confused as to why they're doubling the price of Xbox Live Gold, to begin with. If this had happened 6+ years ago, I would have been less surprised. However, since it's happening now though, I'm very surprised and stunned as Microsoft has been increasingly "pro-consumer" within the last 5 - 6 years (at least, they have been with Xbox). 🤔
EDIT: I'm saying this as someone who doesn't have any Xbox systems, but has some knowledge of how Xbox has been doing recently. 🤔
EDIT 2: I'm really confused now, I see people saying that they reversed the price changes, and the Gold F2P requirement has been lifted. What is going on? 🤔

@DarthNocturnal
Okay, thanks for letting me know.
Nice, I was hoping that Microsoft would say something once the backlash coming in.
The F2P requirement being dropped is something that is long overdue (IMO).
I mean, they dropped the requirement for 3 third party apps (like Netflix) needing Gold back in 2014 or 2015 (IIRC), so I'm surprised it took them this long to drop the F2P requirement.
So, what was the purpose of them doubling the price of Gold, to begin with, anyways? 🤔

@gcunit
I don't think that's the case. I've always found the requirement of needing Gold for F2P games dumb, to begin with, especially when Switch and Playstation have never required that for F2P games on their respective online services, AFAIK. 🤔
EDIT: Wait, what happened to your post? I was responding to it when it disappeared. 🤔

@SM3DASislit I deleted it after seeing that Microsoft had already 180'd.

The Xbox branch of Microsoft is an absolute shambles. They don't seem to have a ****ing clue what they are doing. Just calamitous.

Just make some games and shut the **** up Spencer!

@gcunit
Okay, thanks for letting me know.
Oh, I didn't know that.
If you don't mind me asking, how are they "in absolute shambles" right now? 🤔

I'll say this- Microsoft is in no position to double the price of online.

So either it was a PR stunt to make them seem more pro consumer by changing policy (which is plausible, but considering they manufactured $60 6 mo cards, I'm inclined to say this wasn't a PR stunt).

Switch jacked up price of accessories at Switch launch and everyone had the Wii U mindset, said Nintendo is crazy, they're in no position to do such a thing. But they knew what they had with Switch. Xbox doesn't have such an advantage, and DOUBLING price of online is different than a $10 increase on a controller.

I like Spencer, but it's time to put up or shut up. Gone are the days of Mattrick, and I understand it takes time to turn things around, but we're closing in on a full decade now. Series X needs to come hard or forever give up any hope of outselling the PS. And until the day comes I can look at the Xbox and see a rich library with just as good of an exclusive lineup as Nintendo or Sony, they have no business trying to pull crazy nonsense like this.

They bought a lot of studios, and they're making moves to pull off the great comeback. But they need to actually do it first. If they throw all their exclusives on PS, make them F2P, etc, I will be convinced Spencer needs to go. But if they actually learn the value of a true exclusive though (except for PC, that's fine), and stop whoring their games out as F2P or putting on other consoles in the interest of the quick buck rather than long term platform appeal, I will be convinced Spencer is the best thing to happen to the division.

@DarthNocturnal I thought major companies like Microsoft and Nintendo didn’t care enough to read online forums and such. That one had to directly complain to said company for any real action to take place. Perhaps that’s what happened. Joe somebody contacted Microsoft and politely asked them to reverse their decision and Phil said “sure... no problem.... our mistake”. Maybe I really should call up Nintendo and tell them what I think one day. Apparently that’s the only thing that works.

@sixrings
don’t care enough to read online forums

They don’t. But they do pay attention to negative articles from influential media, and they do pay attention to Twitter blowback.

But rest assured, nobody from Nintendo is secretly monitoring forums with a pen and pad, taking notes on what random, 13 year old Internet forum dwellers are posting. You can’t even get Nintendo to read their own customer support forum. You think they’re reading random comments on fan sites lol?

I think they pay the most attention to people canceling subscriptions!

Resident Evil 7 composer, Satoshi Hori is gonna be the main composer of Monster Hunter Rise e and all music in the game will feature chorals incluing monster themes.

https://nintendoeverything.com/resident-evil-7-composer-in-ch...

@sixrings I'd say they almost certainly saw enough of a dip in subscriptions to Live that they were worried they'd make less total at the higher price tiers, thanks to also crippling the sales of any online based games they release.

Most large companies these days have some kind of social media division with a few people who post stuff to Twitter/Insta/Facebook/etc. And in most companies, those people are also responsible for kind of keeping a finger on the pulse of what they read on social media, and every so often present their findings to the higher-ups. Whether those submissions are given any heed is up in the air, but I do think the general mood of social media reaches decision makers to some degree.

@JaxonH 13 year olds in your world don’t own Twitter? The fact is that there was online blowback and they changed course. Good on them and shame on people in here trying to call people who don’t agree 100% with everything Nintendo does as trolls or basement dwellers.

@link3710 in 24 hours people cancelled their subscriptions. Are all these subscriptions in this world monthly. I don’t know who pays for their subscriptions that way. I always bought a year at a time so how exactly would I have shown my discontent by canceling the service. Theoretically it would have already been paid for.

@sixrings I don't think anyone here agrees with Nintendo... Almost ever. This thread is always packed with Nintendo complaints.

People just get pissed when trolls come in and have literally nothing but negative things to say, and no evidence to back them up and are clearly just looking to get a ride out of people.

@sixrings Auto-renewal exists. Many people have their accounts set to auto-renew each year, and turning that off is equivalent to saying "I'm not going to buy this any longer."

@rallydefault Not that I am disagreeing with you but generally from the various companies I've worked at the the social media is normally run by the marketing department and juggled by a few people in that department rather than a single/team of specialists. It seems specifically either the person who specializes in digital or the PR person and the person doing it always complains about it being dumped on them.

I suppose I should pay more attention during the marketing presentations when they explain this stuff, they normally talk of fancy ads that have selective geo-somethingorrather tracking but I choose to just pull stupid faces to the person next to me so they burst out laughing.

@link3710 a lot of people with complaints are long time Nintendo owners still frustrated about how they were treated post wii u. Right or wrong those feelings are real. Anyways I never understand why people aren’t sympathetic to long time Nintendo fans instead they seem to want to shame them. I’m not with that. These people want the best for Nintendo and even supported them in their dark times.

@link3710 I guess in theory a whole bunch of people could have cancelled their auto renewal. Unless we hear from Microsoft that is the case I think it’s more believable that they got heat from the gaming community as a whole. The purexbox threads were all negative. IGN daily fox said WTF Microsoft. And my local news channel covered it. I don’t have Twitter but I’ll guess that it may have trended for all the bad reasons. But your cancel renewal is definitely a possibility although I think it’s easier to complain then take action. Also I thought there recently was new poll that said something like 70% of series owners had game pass. So how many auto renews cancelling could there really be.