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BenAV

Backwards compatibility for the Switch was always going to be unfeasible due to the simple fact that the 3DS and Wii U use two screens whereas the Switch only has one. If the Switch's eventual successor maintains all the functionality of the Switch then it'll probably be backwards compatible with Switch games.

BenAV

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Ryu_Niiyama

@BenAV i think the Switch is large enough that it could do windowed screens. No different than the e3 streaming units for the 3ds or ds games on the wiiu gamepad. It’s possible. But likely not a decent ROI to get the emulator running and a hw bottle neck if they put a 3ds slot on the Switch. Or made an add on.

It’s easier to port individual games and modify them to fit than to get an full bc solution running. (That is a ROI comment, I am not criticizing Nintendo)

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BenAV

@Ryu_Niiyama Not impossible perhaps but still not really feasible. It'd look awful and be pretty awkward for a lot of games I'd imagine. Not worth implementing it for sure.

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sixrings

@BenAV I get what you are saying.... but how much work did it take Nintendo to rerelease MK8 with one screen? I don't think that much. They did add the battle mode so I had no complaints. What about DKTF which never used the second screen? And NSMBUD just took away the second screen feature, that surely was easy too. I dunno again a discount would have been nice. But with every digital purchase I make on the switch I am becoming more and more concerned that the switch 2 for some random unexplainable reason will not be backward compatible digitally. Only time will tell

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Ryu_Niiyama

@BenAV exactly. That’s why consumers have to have realistic expectations of a product. Rarely happens though.

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JaxonH

@sixrings
If I sound angry, all I can say is I’m not (really, I’m not). Just annoyed by entitlement culture and notions of “how much work they put in” having any impact on a game’s value (otherwise AAA games would cost $200 each and indie games would all be $2 each, if assigning value based on total manhours worked).

The idea of expecting more from a purchase than what was advertised, then blaming a company for not providing additional products/services which were never promoted or even hinted at, disturbs me.

Most of all, value (from consumer perspective) has to do with quality and quantity of entertainment provided, not what it cost to make. Don’t worry about what it cost to make. It’s irrelevant. They could have waved a magic wand and abracadabra, spoke it into existence and it cost them nothing to make. Doesn’t change the entertainment value inherently present which justifies the monetary MSRP. Always judge by the net entertainment value vs price. Using any other metric stems from greed.

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link3710

@sixrings As a developer, I feel the need to point out: Moving any game from PowerPC architecture (Wii U) to ARM (Switch) is most likely significantly more work in terms of manhours than removing the second screen from any of those games. You (should) have to redo all of QA since literally everything in the game has been changed since you're altering the most basic level of instructions, whereas removing second screen functionality sounds to be far more constrained in terms of effects.

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sixrings

That's fair. But if that's true then nintendo can't use the it took lots of effort to port excuse with the next system if it too is arm. I understand what jasonx is saying that there maybe entitlement but I would reword it in this case as expectations. Customers expect their systems to be able to play their old system games. Which is why even playstation who was about generations has adapted and allows for ps4 games to be played on ps5. Being the only console to not allow backward compat isn't a good look. It's debatable how much that would impact sales. But as a loyal nintendo fan I'd likely be out. Anyways that's my take.

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JaxonH

Customers can “expect” whatever they want. But that doesn’t mean it’s owed to them. Customers expect all kinds of unreasonable things all the time. So simply “expecting” something doesn’t mean it’s justified.

Consumers are ignorant, and have no idea what it takes to make a system BC. And the fact that Nintendo has consistently provided BC for decades, something they didn’t have to do, yet the ONE TIME they couldn’t because they needed to change their business model to stay relevant, you hear screeching about it. And despite the fact Sony’s piss poor BC for decades. Just because they got it right this one time doesn’t negate the multiple generations beforehand where they didn’t. And what they do has nothing to do with Nintendo anyways. Again, the “person A did something so person B now owes me the same thing” argument is fallacious.

BC is nice when it happens. And you can even make purchasing decisions based on whether they offer it. But NEVER, EVER assume it’s a given. Because it’s not. It’s not a given. It’s not owed to you. It’s simply a feature that sometimes is feasible, and sometimes it’s not. But it is on you, the consumer, to make up your mind on whether you want to roll the dice buying a game before you know the next generation will be compatible. If you are not OK with the next generation not being BC, then you need to stop buying video games on this platform immediately. And all platforms, for that matter, as none of them are guaranteed to offer future BC. There are high probabilities but there is no guarantee it will happen. Any game you purchase, you are purchasing for the current system only. Anything more than that is wishful thinking.

It’s like lending money. Don’t do it unless you’re ok with never getting paid back. Likewise, don’t buy video games unless you’re ok with only getting what the box advertises. If you want more- if you expect more, then you need to hold off buying anything for the next 4-8 years, however long it takes, and wait until they confirm/deny whether you will actually get BC for that game next gen.

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Maaryotyme

Basically.
I bought a 3ds to play 3ds games
I bought a Wii u to play Wii u games.
I bought a switch to play switch games.
I’m buying a ps5 to play PS5 games. 😀

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sixrings

@JaxonH no one is saying it is owed to fans.... but its become an industry standard and Nintendo should follow suit if they expect to keep good will and to encourage sales of the next console.

sixrings

sixrings

@WahooTime I agree with everything you are saying... but backward compatible systems lets us declutter our TV set ups... It may sound entitled but my four hdmi input tv can only handle so many systems. Actually only 3 since one is dedicated to the cable box. There was once a time people kept the old systems in the closet in case they wanted to play them. Generally speaking people are done with that. as Jason said it is not owed but shopping is a two way street. A company makes a product but the consumer isn't forced to buy it.

sixrings

JaxonH

@sixrings
Sure, that I agree with.

But there’s a difference between saying “it would be a good move for Nintendo to make the next Switch BC” and saying “how dare Nintendo not make the current system BC, I bought all these Wii U games EXPECTING it and now that you haven’t delivered (despite there being perfectly valid reason) I am upset with you”

There is nothing wrong with wanting BC. I want BC. Everyone wants BC. But wanting and expecting are two different things. Sometimes it’s viable and sometimes it’s not. Ergo, when you bought Wii U games you bought only for the Wii U, and the chance that they might be playable on the next system, if and only if the next system was iterative (which it wasn’t). Right now, today, you buy Switch games only for Switch, and the chance that they might be playable on the next system, if and only if the next system is iterative.

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God so loved the world He sent His only Son- whoever believes on Him has eternal life. Unless you believe, you will die in your sins. Whoever believes, rivers of living water flow within them. John

Anti-Matter

@sixrings
I don't mind to have both Wii U and Switch altogether.
They are completely different machines.

Anti-Matter

sixrings

@JaxonH well previously I would say I want bc but industry standards have changed so I expect it going forward. I expect native voice chat by now. However that isn't a deal breaker for me.

So to be clear..

I want voice chat in switch 2 but will buy it if for some reason it isn't there.
I expect bc and if for some reason it is not there I will likely not buy it unless its years later on kijiji.

Now me saying im not going to buy something doesn't mean I am in a rage kicking and screaming. It would just mean I moved on to other things. Similarly I no longer buy the car brand I used to. Or I decided to move down the street despite used to loving my neighbourhood. Things change.

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So Koei Tecmo had a data breach similar to what Capcom and Nintendo recently experienced.

Can't wait to hear what juicy nuggets of info come from this incident.

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JaxonH

@sixrings
That’s perfectly fine. Making an informed purchase based on whether a system has a feature you want is perfectly reasonable. If you don’t want to buy a system without BC then you shouldn’t buy it.

But again, that’s different than assuming it will, buying a bunch of games for the current system, then getting angry when it doesn’t happen.

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Ralizah

BC is quickly becoming an industry-wide standard this gen, and it's hard to imagine a hybrid Switch successor not playing Switch games. If it doesn't, then Nintendo is setting themselves up for failure right off the bat, given how well Switch games are selling and will continue to sell.

With that said, Nintendo generally supports BC when it's possible. Gamecube --> Wii. Wii --> Wii U. GB --> GBC. GBC --> GBA. GBA --> NDS. NDS --> 3DS. And so on. The trouble with the Switch is the architecture and physical medium they used to store the games are both dramatically different, so digital and physical purchases on the Wii U can't really transfer forward.

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GameOtaku

@Ralizah
Or for their older offerings they can bring back Virtual Console and you can get BC through it and purchase individual games that are saved to your account and you can just access on all future iterations.

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Ralizah

@GameOtaku It's best to abandon any hope for VC support from Nintendo going forward outside of special cases like the recently translated NES version of Fire Emblem.

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