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Agriculture

Octane wrote:

@Agriculture Of course it's ''behind'', it came out last year. And no, consumers don't care how much a system has sold, it's the other way around, if people care about a system, it will sell. You won't find a big sticker on the box of your Switch that says ''WARNING! Only 18 million units sold!''.

There's of course a step in between. Consumers care what games they can get for a console, and that depends on how many consoles has been sold.

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Tsurii wrote:

@Agriculture you're trying way too hard only to compare apples with oranges.

I find it fascinating to see how much people hold on to this idea of Nintendo being an orange and everyone else is being an apple. If anything, we should be less incline towards this thinking, because it recent decades we've seen examples of the complete opposite. We've seen the video game market taking consumer groups from toy manufacturers. We've seen television taking consumer groups from the movie industry. Everyone in the entertainment industry just competes for peoples money and free time.

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gcunit

But oh look, there are twice as many 3DS systems sold than XB1s, so surely 3DS is getting more new games than XB1...

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gcunit wrote:

But oh look, there are twice as many 3DS systems sold than XB1s, so surely 3DS is getting more new games than XB1...

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Agriculture

Tsurii wrote:

@Agriculture I'm talking about comparing lifetime sales for systems that released almost 3 years apart.

I'm not disagreeing that there's a reason why there's 4 times as many PS4's as Switches out there, but the game developers and consumers won't care about that. There's one thing I think would help Nintendo in the future more than anything, and that would be 100 % backwards comparability with the Switch on their next console. Same game cards, and the same software on the "Switch 2" would mean Nintendo catching up. I want them to catch up, because being a distant second for so long means they can't develop as many and as expensive games.

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Octane wrote:

gcunit wrote:

But oh look, there are twice as many 3DS systems sold than XB1s, so surely 3DS is getting more new games than XB1...

Xbox One is standard PC hardware that is powerful enough to run most games, so porting them is easy. The Switch has completely different hardware and isn't powerful enough to run many new games, so it requires some re-working on the games to get them to run on the Switch.

What would help Nintendo in this regard would be if Sony released a PS Vita 2 that had a dock just like the Switch. Then there would be more infrastructure surrounding these kinds of machines.

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NEStalgia

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Grumblevolcano

@NEStalgia It is rumoured that Nintendoom summons Tom Nook.

On a more serious note, when you search Nintendo Direct on google the result from the official Nintendo site says "3 Aug 2018 - Nintendo Direct is...". I think it's just confusion regarding the ways of writing the date (3/8/18 is March 8th 2018 in NA which is when the March Direct was) but who knows how long it has mentioned "3 Aug 2018".

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@Grumblevolcano I somehow doubt Nintendo ever plans when to have a Direct much more than a couple of weeks to a month max, in advance. Looking at the ones they’ve been doing since the Switch launched, I wouldn’t think too much planning is required. It’s really just a bunch of trailers with scripted commentary over the top with a fancy themed menu sequence stitching it altogether. Though I do hope one comes soon, just because I’m curious as to what these other games are that Nintendo apparently has coming out. Even if they’re nothing major.

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Grumblevolcano

@FragRed Wondering how long it had "3 Aug 2018" was more a case of if recent that could suggest it being a legit Nintendo Direct date but say it's been around for months for example then it would clearly be just an error regarding the date (3/8 vs. 8/3). We'll find out soon enough anyway.

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What's that? Another rumoured Nintendo Direct date?

Give me a f****** break and learn to be patient people. Jesus H. Christ.

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rallydefault wrote:

@Agriculture
Hello! Cheer up!

Lol, yeah I probably should. There is one major thing I'm very glad to see and that massive discounts on digital games on the Nintendo e-shop. I think that will add a lot to the success of the Switch, because that seems to be one of the things people want.

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skywake

Agriculture wrote:

My point is that it's not sustainable to be a niche console. It's going to be even harder in the future, with increased cost of game development. If someone wants to develop a game, they currently are looking at 4 times the install base on the PS4, so that will probably be the highest priority. It feels like the Gamecube era all over again.

It's not even remotely close to the GameCube era. In terms of marketshare in the only metric that matters, software sales, it has already overtaken the XBOne and is currently sitting somewhere between the N64 and PSP. And that's at this early stage with a relatively small install base. That install base is likely going to be about 2x as big by the end of this year and close to 3x as big by the end of next year.
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During the PS2 era when someone was developing a game they could easily ignore the GC because it was only 10% of the market. Not unlike the position the Wii U was in. With the Switch? It's a bit harder to ignore 25% of the market especially when it's a platform that's threatening to grow to 40% or so marketshare. Excluding the HD era where it was basically an even 3 way split the PS4 is the least dominant dominant console since the 80s.

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JaxonH

Not to mention, install base doesn't correlate to sales at a 1:1 ratio.

Many titles on Switch are ALREADY outselling PS4 versions, or at the very least giving them a good run for their money. Intensity of install base matters just as much as size of install base. And the install base of Switch is extremely intense. 25-30% the PS4s sold are likely people upgrading anyways, and another 20% that probably don't even play the console anymore. The ACTIVE user base isn't nearly as far out there as it might seem from raw numbers.

Of course, PS4 likely will remain top priority. But that doesn't mean Switch won't be a priority as well, at least for the games that fit the market on this console. Switch is about to surpass GameCube lifetime sales in what... just 18 months after launch? How in any way does that feel like the GC era?

How do we go from super hot system everyone loves to "niche system like gamecube era" in a matter of three weeks???

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skywake

@JaxonH
It's also worth noting that the market looks very different in different regions for the Switch. In the N64/GC eras Nintendo was outsold by Sony in every single region by 2x or more with the US being their strongest region and Japan being their worst. But with the Switch not only is it not being outsold by that sort of margin it's also the other way around. Infact it's so different that the Switch is actually looking like it'll soon have captured the majority of yearly software sales in Japan

So for western developers? The PS4 and especially the PS4 + XBOne + PC are still the platforms they're going to target first. No questioning the dominance of the PS4 and XBOne combined in the US and Europe. But I think we can expect to see a lot of Japanese developers start treating the Switch as if it was the market leader. Because as far as their games are concerned it pretty much is.

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NEStalgia

So much sense in this thread. It's like a whole other website from the article threads....

@skywake heck we already have blazblue cross tag battle that came to ps4 and nsw, but not xb1. There's a rare sight. Same for everything dq.

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Ralizah

@NEStalgia A lot of people post in the article comment sections who never really bother with the forum. You're a lot more likely to get undisguised nastiness from drive-by commentators online.

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