Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

@EvilLucario The reports state proprietary GRAPHICS architectures. Not CPU, which is the bigger kick in the teeth.

Problem is, the GPU is what made the PS4, lets be real. That CPU isn't doing jack all but being a huge bottleneck. Plus, the next jump for systems isn't in graphics, unless they really want the tagline "4k more often than not now".

The next jump is in CPU, geometry, physics simulations, AI calculations. But that's not Sony's focus.

But it's also worth mentioning, that it is incredibly rare for the most powerful system to be the best seller. In fact, it is often the opposite. The system that sells best is the easiest to understand, buy, and make games for.

If the PS5 has GPU tech that isn't going to be on PCs or any other system, thats a huge barrier to making games for it. That requires more work than it does now.

@EvilLucario
IF Xbox Two really exist...
I really wish Xbox Two can play ALL Region XBOX 1, XBOX 360 & Old XBOX games.

I want to play DDR Ultramix 1 - 4 from Old XBOX, DDR Universe 1 - 3 + Dance Evolution + Kinect Games from XBOX 360, The Sims 4 + Portal Knights from XBOX 1 on New XBOX machine.

But once again. I said IF ....

@Anti-Matter At best the backwards compatibility on the next Xbox will be everything that's playable on XB1. I think it'll be everything that's playable on XB1 except the XB1 Kinect exclusives (Microsoft keeps distancing themselves from Kinect so I could see them have no way to play Kinect games on the next Xbox).

@Knuckles-Fajita Yeah, I'm still waiting to see how that plays out. I can't imagine Sony would be that dumb. Not after the issues the PS3 had. Not after how successful their design philosophy and marketing strategy for the PS4 was.

You know how the PS4 Pro works right?

It's an overclocked PS4 CPU, which uses more power and generates a lot more heat as a result. A much larger GPU, widening the gulf between the already bottleneck heavy CPU from the base PS4, and to compensate it's a faster, more power hungry fan, and a significantly larger heatsink.

Hardly the pinnacle of hardware design when the One X and Switch surpass their predecessors and actively shrink in size.

But this is the thing. Sony was on top of the world once before. And then the PS3 happened. The exact same signs are showing again.

But if they use Navi, and its exclusive for them, they just handed a price, and ease of development win to Xbox.

Obviously though, people will eat it up.

Well... considering that PS3 is still considered a "success" and even catch up to Xbox 360, and how developers constantly develop for it...

Yeah, no matter what Sony does, no matter how bad they stumble, they'll come back, and devs and consumers will still support them.

@Ralizah
Oh, I wouldn't want to play with those dirty Xbox One/Switch owners anyway

I've seen this sentiment on Reddit. And I don't think it's damage controlling either- A lot of these fans genuinely believe they are superior, genuinely believe they are smarter than all other gamers because they bought a PS4, and that only an idiot would buy any other console.

I've never been a fan of Sony as a company for a wide range of reasons- notably dropping the Vita so soon, and the games they did make for it were all B studio spinoffs, in stark contrast to Nintendo manning up and supporting Wii U despite it being a failure, and still giving gamers their very best from their top studios. But I don't really hold anything against them personally- they are just a company and as such I'm still going to buy their products if I like them. I'm sure the actual people who work at Sony are awesome, even if the company's policies arent.

So I can deal with Sony as a company even if their policies tick me off more times than not. It's the diehard fans I can't stand though.

I have found the most levelheaded gamers are ones who own multiple consoles. Even if they prefer one over the other they still recognize the merits of other platforms. Whereas people who only own a single brand of console or handheld, they get in this bubble where they think nothing else has merit and nothing else is worth buying or owning. There are the kinds of people who say "I'm not going to buy that system for one game", when people who actually own the system are actually drowning in great games. It's bias, where they convince themselves no other system is viable and none of the countless games on the other platforms have any merit. I don't care if you're the most diehard PS fan on earth. There are countless amazing Nintendo Switch games, and if only one game appeals to you then I simply question your judgment as a gamer, especially when those people were the one screaming and hollering about how awesome the Vita library was just a few years ago. And likewise for Nintendo fans who say they won't buy a PS4 for one game. I don't care who you are, there is more than one great game on PS4. Even if you refuse to see it.

@JaxonH It's been Sony's marketing tactic this past console cycle and since we are seeing the same sentiments for diehard Sony fans, it seems to have worked.

They believe, truly, that their experience is best and everything else is inferior, as are the players.

That's....honestly? That's a really unhealthy thing to see.

Even when I was a complete Nintendo fanboy, I never thought PS2 or even original Xbox were bad and were always happy to play their games. I just thought Nintendo was better.

That being said, while that attitude is unhealthy...for a lot of gamers, PS4 was the clear best choice until this became an issue. Like Wii U lacked 3rd party games, Xbox One was an expensive, less powerful Ps4 and a really good PC was still a bit expensive. So it was the cheapest way to get the best quality and quantity of new games for most gamers. But these things don't last forever. I remember the PS3 launch.

Gotta remember the next generation effectively removes the past.

The consumers are looking for a reason to give you money for a new box, and if Sony stays on this course, and Microsoft and Nintendo stick to theirs, people will be looking at the reverse of 2013. It doesn't matter to Sony now, but it will, because a new system is a giant reset button.

All that goodwill? Gone.

Like I was here, right on this very forum, where I proclaimed Sony the clear deserving winner of the generation the moment they presented themselves as the good guys who WOULDN'T try to destroy the used games market, and with a cheaper priced console than the Xbox One that understood that gamers liked to play video games. But that didn't mean I trusted Sony to be some flawless company that could do no wrong. Anyone who thinks so is an absolute fool.

@subpopz Because people would rather worship a hunk of plastic than shut up and play games. Crossplay is so helpful to third-party games that have online too, allowing much greater playerbases at once. It allows much more games to thrive together instead of being segmented away in everyone's own walled gardens.

I honestly don't blame Sony fanboys for thinking the way they do. The Xbox One is a pretty big disappointment, although that's been changing recently, and the Wii U was very disappointing for most people as well. The Switch had a strong first year, but 2018 is significantly more low-key, although I expect that to change in 2019. Meanwhile, Sony has been banging out some fantastic exclusives, and they have more on the horizon that look incredible.

Every company has its ups and downs, but when it comes to this generation, Sony won by a landslide IMO. I don't necessarily expect that to last though, because both Microsoft and Nintendo are picking up steam.

Totally agree ^

Switch, (PS4 controller and PC as well) is getting a keyboard to connected the joy-cons.
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2018-06-30/nintendo...

@Knuckles-Fajita Just had a check on the Crash controller problem.

You're right, it can't be resolved by simply going to the controller menu. But I've found a bit of a workaround - while docked, go Controllers > Check Grip/Order to loose joycons. Then slide them back in, and undock.

Quite inconvenient but it works.

@Buizel The hell?

So the game doesn't talk to that part of the OS properly then. Why?

This is so dumb...

@KirbyTheVampire
I don't really disagree, I do think it's the best TV-only home console right now, but I would never assert my personal opinion on others as if it's undisputable fact. If someone else enjoys their Xbox and they love it and think it's the better system, then more power to them. And Switch is in a totally different league because it simply offers something different, so it just comes down to user preference and what you are looking for in a gaming device. Exclusives aside, I prefer the X1X due to games looking and running better, having a controller I like more and backward compatibility. Whether that's worth more than half a dozen extra really good exclusives... that's going to depend on who you ask.

At the end of the day I don't blame someone for thinking a certain console is the best. In fact I might even agree with them, to a certain extent. For example I do think PS4 is the best TV-only console. I don't think it's the best console in all to me, simply because I get far more use out of Nintendo Switch, and to be honest I like the exclusive games on Switch way more, even just in the short time it's been out. But I wouldn't say that as if it's a fact for everyone. I say that as a fact for myself, while still recognizing the value of other consoles. And that's what it all boils down to there- you can have an opinion and you can have a preference but A don't announce your opinion as undisputable fact for everyone as if user preference has no impact, and B don't act like just because you prefer something that it's the only console of any value and everything else is worthless.

Some people will prefer playing PS4, some people will prefer X1, some PC and some Switch. But as long as a person doesn't get a superiority complex where they think anyone who plays anything else has something wrong with them or is clearly inferior because of their preferences or what they value, or think that the hardware others play on is inferior simply because it doesn't cater to their own preferences... as long as the person doesn't do that then they are A-OK with me.

Idk what it is about humans, they always see the need to put down anything beyond their own preference. I'm even seeing it now with GPD Win 2 and Switch. I see the GPD fanboys knocking the Switch, saying how much better Win 2 is, and I see Nintendo fanboys knocking Win 2 because it apparently threatens the status of the Switch. It's like come on... do we have to pit every single gaming device against each other? Fact is, both of you groups like portable gaming- i'm willing to bet if you got passed your insecurities, you GPD fans would actually really get a kick out of the Nintendo Switch, and likewise you Nintendo fans would probably love the heck out of the Win 2. If only you could get past your insecurities, I think you'd find you both have a lot in common! (And to be fair, a good number of people I've talked to in the Win subreddit owns both, just like a lot of Vita gamers bought a Switch- but you can always spot the fanboy a mile away- it's the Vita fan that spouts off about how great it is, and then in the same breath says Switch is horrible and they'll never buy one... that right there is just blind fanboysism. You can bet if Sony made a Switch like device I'd be the first in line- heck I was first in line when Vita released)

So has anyone tried surround sound with the switch yet? I know the Switch is weird when you try to get it working, but it's possible. Anyways I was just wondering what games you tried playing with surround sound...besides Breath of the Wild, because everyone won't shut up about it. lol

I have a 5.1 soundbar, but with my current setup I can't use surround sound. So I ordered something that will fix this, should be in Tuesday, Monster Hunter XX will be the first game I go to. xp

@Joeynator3000

Oooooh, Monster Hunter... Surround Sound... Niiiiiiice

(In truth I started drooling at the mention of Monster Hunter moreso than the surround sound 😁)