Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

@JaxonH Except Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, Square Enix, Capcom, Sega, Square Enix, Bethesda and others, DO seem to find merit to labeling re-releases as such (via one marketing phrase or another.) Nintendo Selects re-released games on the same console. Sony's now doing the same. The re-release is labeled as such. That's not even across consoles but out of print games on the same console.

Yes, omission is still dishonesty, and anything that can be excluded from being an "overt lie" is not necessarily honesty. There's surely no criminal offense here, but enough omission of mixed with a presentation designed to ignore that detail that makes one feel uncomfortable. All that said, while not on the box, even as I said, DKCTF specifically mentions "like on the WiiU" for either the difficulty or controls selector at the start, so indeed, in the game, it does acknowledge itself as a port. "Remastered" "HD" "Rerelease" "Select" "GOTY" "Deluxe" "Ultimate Edition" etc. are all common promotional ways of declaring that a game is a re release without making that sound like a bad thing and/or with marginal to significant added content. Even in the days of bringing arcade games to home consoles it was common to modify the name to indicate this was a version for a different machine with some changes. It's not new to do so.

I'm going to guess you're a sales & marketing guy (or a lawyer) am I right?

@darkfenrir That's really looking like a great Star Fox game! Which is funny because technically it isn't....but it is

@NEStalgia Yeah, I have been hearing tons of positive noises- I'm just worried on the toys-to-life part now. The gameplay itself looks pretty solid!

And you can play as Fox too the whole game from what I hear (+ some exclusive mission content for him), so it's overall very great!

Starlink, the Star Fox Game we didn't expect!

@NEStalgia
Everything you just said is nonsense. Omission is only dishonest if it's something that needs to be disclosed upfront as paramount information to the consumer.

This doesnt. It's irrelevant. You dont see "originally on PS3!!!" slapped on the cover of ported games. It doesnt need to be disclosed upfront because it doesnt freaking matter, and thus omission is irrelevant. If you listed every irrelevant detail about a game it would need to come with a 540 page binder.

If someone wants to label something then fine. But they're not required to nor is there any obligation to.

Why does it matter? Why does it need to be advertised? It doesnt. Never did and never will. Games are games. Doesn't matter where they come from or what other systems they've been on.

You didn't see "Rise of the Tomb Raider Xbox Port Edition!" on PS4. Because it doesnt matter. The game is being sold on it's own merits and nothing more. If you care whether its ported, it's on YOU to do your homework. Being a port doesnt make the game any less enjoyable and thus it is irrelevant. If you want cheaper options it's on YOU to go find them.

It goes on.

So.... I was browsing the eShop last night and came across Banner Saga, a game I completely forgot I REALLY wanted to play.

I knee-jerk bought it, even though I know I have Aces being delivered tomorrow, but I LOVE it. Reminds me more of FF Tactics than other strat games like Disgaea, for sure, mostly because it's much simpler and doesn't have nearly as many menus and micromanaging and combos and all that jazz (I don't like all the added complexities, usually).

Anyway, just thought I'd let people know it's a great game if a more streamlined tactics game is your style (I'm still at like hour 3 on Disgaea 5 and just cannot bring myself to jump back into it). The art and animations are beautiful, too, and I like the little choices you make as you move along.

@JaxonH "You dont see "originally on PS3!!!" slapped on the cover of ported games"

Not as such, however the titles of the ports are very very clear in "marketing speak" ways that they are ports:

Sleeping Dogs: Definitive Edition
Last of Us: Remastered
Nathan Drake Collection
Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition
KH Re:Coded
Dishonored: Definitive Edition
DMC4: Special Edition
Legend of Kay: Anniversary Edition
Metro: Redux
Valkyria Remastered

Then there's this wonderful category header:

It remains industry standard to indicate that a port is an enhanced edition of an existing game by one means or another in the title or packaging or both. Nintendo's the odd one out on this one. MK8 Deluxe, Pokken DX did so. Bayonetta 2, DKCTF, Treasure Tracker did not.

I'm going to be sad when they are at each other's throats again in a few years. I wish the gaming ecosystems would all play nice together. Makes life better for those of us that are multi system owners.

@NEStalgia
No, that has to do with marketing, not some crazy moral disclosure of information.

It's to upsell a game people already know is a ported game. Notice Skyrim didn't say "definitive edition" on Switch, because it didn't need to. But on PS4 and X1 where the fanbase has played it, it's used as a marketing technique to make the game seem more appealing.

Has nothing to do with "industry standard". Its marketing, and its done by choice to enhance sales by boasting its improvements to a consumer base who would otherwise have little reason to buy again, not out of some benign moral obligation as if it's some dirty secret that has to be aired out up front.

@NEStalgia Except DKTF Clearly does. Look at the box art. You see the whole "With New Funky Mode" thing? That's clearly indicating that this is a rerelease, whether it's in the actual title or not. And guess what, Bayonetta 1 wasn't branded as a port when it was brought to PC, OR when it was brought to Wii U (It's not even a Wii U port technically anyways) and no one cared then. Let me just make a list of titles that DON'T have port in their name.

• Tales of Symphonia - PC
• Rayman Legends - Vita, XB1, Switch, PS4
• Grand Theft Auto V -PS4, XB1
• Rocket League - PS4, XB1, Switch
• DragonBall Fighterz - Switch
• Crash Bandicoot: N. Sane Trilogy - Switch, XB1
• De Blob - XB1, PS4, PC, Switch

You know what all the games you listed had in common? Either they included DLC with the base game (Thus making it a definitive edition), made an SD game HD (Hence HD), Remastered the game (Hence Remastered) or collected multiple games (Hence collection.) Guess what Captain Toad, Bayonetta 2, and DKTF have in common with the ones I mentioned.? They don't have enough extra content to warrant any extra description. If they were labeled definitive edition or DX or the like, that would imply there were significant additions, and be misleading to the consumer.

@JaxonH
Good post - I dub you the winner. I was elected judge by a panel of nobody a few minutes ago.

Wow there's serious damage control going on on twitter because of sony not accepting crossplay. (People hating on Xbox and Nintendo to justify it)

@Alber-san I mean to a certain extent why would sony gamers care? they have never been exposed to others (baring the fortnite thing and yeah that is all on sony) in their play sessions so what is there to damage control? I don't understand fanatics. I mean technically all nintendo and ms are doing is marketing a feature that they have. If you want that feature game with one of them, if not keep on keeping on with sony. Then again people need very little reasons to go to war over companies that just see them as revenue streams.

@Ryu_Niiyama
Totally agree. I guess they feel the need to justify their purchase and therefore are, in truth, trying to convince themselves that the other consoles are horrible. It is, after all, a great feature if you want to play with friends on other consoles/pc.

Yeah, the whole Fortnite account hostage debacle is definitely why this is happening now. Games where your account should be allowed to move over to other systems (Minecraft also comes to mind) are also an issue. Like, there's a reason I will never buy PS4's Minecraft, despite owning it on PC and Switch. It isn't consumer friendly, and people (including Sony gamers) have a right to be upset about it. Sony is a single player console for me until this dealt with. Good news is that means I don't need to buy online for it, so it works out.

@link3710 You're right about DKCTF (and I did already credit that game as mentioning WiiU right in the menu.) Good find.

Some of the others though:

Tales of Symphonia - PC: Multiplat with a Reeeealy late launch on PC
Rayman Legends - Vita, XB1, Switch, PS4: You're correct on that one
Grand Theft Auto V -PS4, XB1: That was just multiplat, not a cross gen port.
Rocket League - PS4, XB1, Switch: Multiplat, not cross gen port
DragonBall Fighterz - Switch: Multiplat with a slightly late launch on Switch.
Crash Bandicoot: N. Sane Trilogy - Switch, XB1: Trilogy - the bundled port is in the title like Deluxe
De Blob - XB1, PS4, PC, Switch: I don't even know what that one's a thing, but yeah, I'll give you that one

@DarthNocturnal I mentioned the fortnite thing, but wouldn't this technically NOT be a new issue as they wouldn't have been able to game on a xbox? (I think I heard they can with pc though) and same with other games like minecraft?

Sorry my response got cut in half.

All over a silly f2p Battle Royale game. I get the frustration but hijacking every single PlayStation tweet is getting annoying. It reminds me of the DCEU fans spamming ever DC tweet with #ReleaseSnyderCut. I'd be shocked if Sony changes their stance when Microsoft didn't back in the 360 days. Mind you i don't think it ever involved a game where you made purchases and it was locked to a console but i could be wrong i primarily play single player games. It is pretty petty though of both Nintendo and Microsoft the stances they're taking on social media. Acting like crossplay is some industry standard when it only involves Minecraft, Fortnite and Rocket League feel free to add more if there are more games that are crossplay with Xbox and Switch.

@canucksfan989
The thing is that those are possibly the biggest game of the last decade. So, while not a standard right now (although it could be in the near future), most if not all the gamers will experience the issue (or non-issue if they play on Switch, Xbox or PC). It seems to be becoming the standard.

@Ryu_Niiyama It's not a new issue but the Switch makes the point a lot stronger about Sony being in the wrong.