@Bolt_Strike Okay, but quick point. B-N makes Klonoa, HAL makes Kirby. I don't see why HAL would decide to make Kirby into Klonoa, it's not like they have any attachment to that series? And it's not like the development of a Klonoa game would affect the development of a Kirby game in any way.
If Battlefield, COD, Medal of Honor, and who knows how many other FPSes can coincide, I think there's room for both Klonoa and Kirby.
@link3710 Competition. If HAL can steal whatever fanbase Klonoa has by doing what Klonoa does better, they get more sales and the fans get better games. And on the flip side, if Klonoa sees that a competitor is basically doing the same thing but better, they should be improving the game to make it more fun and unique, and therefore sell better.
Furthermore, Kirby and Klonoa are not just competing against each other, they just happen to be highly similar. There's also Mario, Yoshi, DK, Metroid, Sonic, Ratchet & Clank, LittleBigPlanet, Rayman, Ori, Shantae, and Yooka-Laylee among others. The genre is too crowded for them to bring back a poor man's Kirby.
@Dezzy I mean, ILLCA never made their own game before, and has only ever worked on other projects with other developers. This is the first time they've made something on their own, with the only guidance being one director from the original titles. Pokemon titles also sell no matter quality sadly, so it'll sell pretty big numbers, and could probably cannibalize Zelda due to brand recognizability. Either that, or Zelda would cannibalize the Diamond and Pearl remakes, causing Nintendo to also miss out.
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To be honest, I'm not sure anything would really affect a 3D Zelda at this point. Those games have become Nintendo's flagship series, alongside 3D Mario. I think people are gonna buy it no matter what. If you release them alongside Pokemon, all that will happen is Pokemon fans will just play Zelda 4 months later, but I think the people who are gonna buy it will do so either way.
I think BotW 2 was likely planned for this autumn or holidays but originally but probably got delayed to next year, anyway
Hopefully, they will be able to give at least a release window for that at E3, if so....
It’s best for Nintendo to start releasing a single game a year, that way they won’t have to worry about their games “cannibalising” each other. I blame the people who only ever buy a single game a year. ;p
@Dezzy I think it's too early to say that about 3D Zelda as a whole given BotW is in a league of its own regarding sales and the last 3D Zelda was BotW so we have no data to work with for 3D Zelda after BotW yet.
There's also that really awkward promotion of Skyward Sword HD to BotW fans in the February 2021 Direct which I'm not sure how to interpret. Is Skyward Sword story relevant to BotW 2? Is BotW 2 far away so trying to maintain franchise interest? Will BotW 2 be more of a mixture of BotW and traditional 3D Zelda?
I think unless Zelda and Pokemon release like a week apart....I doubt they will cannibalise each other's sales. As mentioned, different games for different audiences, etc., etc.. But they're both massive series which are guaranteed to sell well, and probably sell well far beyond their launch windows. I can see something like Pokemon launching in November, with BotW 2 launching in December.
My money is Pokemon DP ( lol I always think of something else when I see DP on this site) in Oct. Snap came out in April so plus 6 months is Oct for DP and then another 6 months for Legends in April 2022 to fit it’s early 2022 releases date.
With SMT5 coming out this year I’m a lot more curious how Nintendo will treat that, it’s not their release but it’s a high profile exclusive yet not a likely big seller. So will Nintendo avoid releasing a biggish title around the same time to help it’s sales or will they just say fudge it and let Link and Pikachu “eat“ it’s sales.
Smash released not even a month after Let's Go and they are respectively the 3rd and 8th best selling games on the platform.
This. If Smash and Let's Go can both successfully release a month apart, there's absolutely no reasons BDSP and BotW2 would have to worry about being too close. Pokemon and Zelda likely have even less overlap than Smash and Pokemon as well.
@Slowdive I don’t really think overlaps even matters, these are two of Nintendo’s biggest franchise so obviously a Nintendo fan are likely to have both. Like Nintendo released 3DS Mario and Mario Kart less than a month apart and weren’t worried about them not selling.
I really don’t see this as impossibility, a month or two apart during the holiday season where sales are strong already sounds like a good plan rather than a bad plan. You build momentum by releasing games, not by not selling games.
@Slowdive I hate hypotheticals like that as I find it just stupid logic to take a made up an example and apply it to everyone and misses a full picture of the situation whilst also ignoring counterpoints of kids are spoilt and will be getting multiple presents anyway, the demographic are not only small kids, there could be siblings to get a copy one and the other one the other game, it’s literally not stopped Nintendo in the past with far closer related big titles, are there 20 million children which are only allowed one game a year, who says the game must only be given as a Xmas present, Ninty games are evergreens so people will pick it up down the line so it’s not a lost sales etc.
@Slowdive Head of Nintendo at a meeting “Right team, we want a strong holiday line up this year like we have done in the past to compete with people who may be drifting towards those new PlayStations and Xboxs as their main consoles, keep them playing on a Switch and they will keep buying Switch games. So let’s have Pokemon and Zelda come out in FY Q3 within a 2 to 3 window which is our best selling period to show we mean business”
Random Nintendo employee “But sir, there’s a poor kid in another country who parents only let him have one game for this thing called Christ Mass”
Head of Nintendo “in that case, forgot those millions and millions of sales will could make and we will release Zelda a year later. No one will mind anyway”
I think the remakes will come on the 3rd Friday of November (November 19th 2020) as it has been main series tradition since 2014 in years there's been a game release.
BotW 2 I still think will be around March 2022, launching alongside the new Switch revision. Either BotW 2 needing more time or Nintendo can't get enough supply for launching the new Switch revision this holiday to be worth it. Base Switch and Switch Lite would likely be the only systems with decent stock this holiday much like last holiday.
I don't buy the switch revision even coming, given again, Nintendo said they can't produce normal switches due to the chip shortage. I can't wait for if they do reveal and release it, and everyone on this site starts complaining about it being scalped though.
Edit: I wouldn't expect any big revision until 2022, seeing as that's probably how long the shortage is going to last.
@VoidofLight If I was partnered with NVidia and together build a console expanding on current tech that offered a software solution to greatly enhance performance, no way I would be sleeping on that. First to market is really important. Sure, it will be mostly used as a pro model for existing games (might have one or 2 exclusives like 3DS) but folk will upgrade overtime and they can start to make more exclusives eventually to keep folk wanting to upgrade aside from specs. They have a long roadmap for the Switch. And as they have put all their eggs into one basket so to speak, it wouldn't be prudent to wait for sales to fall to a low level like it was a next gen console. (I reckon) It's hard to say because we don't have the numbers. Who knows, by the end of the year, they might be indicating that sales are still on the up!! But either way, I reckon the president is very aware the Switch needs to be seen as state of the art (but not in the traditional sense of throw as many chips in as big a box as possible sense.)
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