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Topic: Next Nintendo Direct?

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westman98

@Grumblevolcano
I'd actually like to see Wind Waker + Twilight Princess HD for Switch actually get confirmed before I can believe that they will be used to fill in the gap from BOTW2 getting delayed again.

westman98

Grumblevolcano

@westman98 That's the point, if BotW 2 gets delayed I think they'd announce the ports at the same time. Kind of like how Aonuma announced Skyward Sword HD in the February 2021 Direct following a brief update on BotW 2 saying to expect news later in the year.

But this isn't about rumours here, rather that for the past decade Nintendo have used 3D Zelda HD remasters in the gaps left by the longer development cycle for BotW and its sequel. I did awhile back think 1 or the other (not both) but Bowser's Fury being rather sizeable increased the chance of both.

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Noble_Haltmann

If I’m not mistaken, non-e3, non-mini directs always take place on the same week day throughout the entire year, and so far in 2022 we’ve had the February general, Xenoblade 3, and Splatoon 3 directs all on Wednesdays. Also given that the 15th is the start of TGS, could Wednesday the 14th be our most likely date?

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VoidofLight

If BotW 2 gets delayed again, then I feel like the game is just in dev hell, and probably isn't going to end up being good upon it's release. It's been the longest time since Zelda titles, and they keep pushing the date back every year pretty much. I get Covid happened, so they couldn't entirely help it, but if they weren't so sure about the game hitting a Spring 2023 release, why did they say Spring? Why not just say 2023, and given themselves a buffer period?

Also, I wouldn't be so upset about it if they would actually show people footage of the game, or show more than a few seconds of gameplay every now and then. However, we're going through periods of complete silence, and not being told much of anything other than the game is getting delayed with a few seconds of footage. Footage which shows little that's really new, and a ton of stuff that feels more like content you'd find within DLC for the game rather than a full on sequel.

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VoidofLight wrote:

If they weren't so sure about the game hitting a Spring 2023 release, why did they say Spring? Why not just say 2023, and given themselves a buffer period?

This is exactly how I feel as well. I think if they weren't absolutely positive that it was going to hit this timeframe, they would have just given a vague 2023 release time.

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Grumblevolcano

@VoidofLight If they wanted to use it as a launch title for new hardware, they may have been confident of a Spring 2023 release for the new hardware back in March 2022 but since then a lot of real world things have happened like the cost of living crisis that has the potential to make releasing new hardware backfire. Nintendo doesn't want to be in the position where the next hardware fails like the Wii U and investors force them to release their games on PC to make up for the failure (the Wii U's failure is what forced Nintendo into the mobile space).

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westman98

Breath of the Wild 2 doesn't have to be a launch title for the next Switch hardware.

I could totally see a scenario in which BOTW2 launches in March 2022 alongside a special-edition Zelda Switch OLED model, while the Switch 2 launches in holiday 2023/spring 2024 with Metroid Prime 4 and the next 3D Mario game (or the next Mario Kart, or literally anything else).

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@Grumblevolcano Yeah, the combination between supply chain issues and inflation have put Nintendo in an awkward position because if Nintendo releases hardware before PS5 and Series X/S sales start leveling off, they will be crushed by Sony and Microsoft this generation. HOWEVER the same thing might happen if they wait too long and Switch sales drop off a cliff. Basically Nintendo missed their opportunity to release new hardware under a favourable market and now have to release it at a very specific point in time "when both PS5 and Series X/S sales slowdown and before Switch sales crap-out".

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VoidofLight

@Grumblevolcano I simply just don't think it's meant as a launch title for new hardware. People keep boasting about how it is, but the switch has yet to have it's own 3D Zelda made directly for it. I also just can't see them abandoning the current switch any time soon either.

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@VoidofLight This too. The ONLY reason Wii U didn't have its own exclusive Zelda game was because it was a COLOSSAL commercial failure, the Switch on the other hand is extremely successful.

Even if Nintendo were considering doing something dumb like that, my previous post pretty much explains why they wouldn't at this point.

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Grumblevolcano

@westman98 It's not the only option but it's most risk-free option as 3D Zelda has a 100% success rate for launching new hardware (Twilight Princess on Wii and BotW on Switch).

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westman98

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Let's be completely real: Wii would have still been a huge success without Twilight Princess as a launch title because most people were buying it to play Wii Sports and Wii Play.

The message isn't "new hardware must launch with Zelda games to be successful" - it is "new hardware must launch with compelling software to be successful". For Wii, that compelling software was Wii Sports/Play. For Switch, that compelling software was indeed Breath of the Wild.

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westman98

@TowaHerschel7
PS5/Xbox Series will hit their peaks in 2023/2024 and start leveling off in 2026/2027 (when the PS6/the next Xbox are likely expected to arrive). There is no chance Nintendo will wait that long before releasing new hardware.

Nintendo literally has no choice but to release their next hardware platform during the peak years of PS5/Xbox Series...which is totally fine. The Switch itself released during the peak years of PS4/Xbox One and was a huge success.

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westman98

VoidofLight

@westman98 I mean, they may be forced to release around 2025 and 2026, given the shortage is still a huge thing and doesn't seem to be ending any time soon. Not to mention the switch itself is still going strong numbers wise.

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Mioaionios

With the current energy and economy crisis here in Europe, I'm more than happy to wait a couple more years for the Switch's successor to release. It's a great device and keeps getting awesome games being made for it. I don't see a need for a new Nintendo console right now.

Also, somehow people think that a more powerful Switch would mean more third-party support. I hate to break it to you, but that's not going to happen. If Nintendo's next console remains a hybrid device, it'll be less powerful than the competition by a vast amount. Maybe it'd be able to play PS4-era games more easily, but not the current gen games without a huge decrease in visual fidelity.

2024 is the absolute earliest I could see a Switch 2 happen, but like @VoidofLight I wouldn't be surprised we'll have to wait until 2025 or 2026. And I'm perfectly fine with that.

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westman98

Nintendo isn't waiting another 3 or 4 years to release Switch 2. You can't just sit on finished hardware for that long without pissing off component suppliers, assembly manufacturers, development partners, and retail distributors.

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Grumblevolcano

@westman98 Twilight Princess acted as the traditional launch game. Yes the big draw was Wii Sports but having something for existing Nintendo fans was still extremely important.

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VoidofLight

@westman98 Who's to say that they're even able to get the parts from component suppliers? Also, I'm pretty sure assembly manufacturers are just fine assembling normal switches. Doubt the product being more powerful or less powerful will effect them, as they're just assembling and producing the hardware itself. As for development partners, of course a few of them will probably end up moving away, but Nintendo has been without third party support in the past, and they've done perfectly fine. The 3DS had pretty minimal 3rd party support after a while, yet Nintendo still did well banking on their own exclusives.

It would be foolish for Nintendo to make a new console that no one could even get their hands on. A console they don't even have the parts to produce enough for the consumers. The manufacturing issues are still an ongoing thing in the industry, and last time I checked 2025 is when it's projected to clear up. I can't see Nintendo realistically trying to make a new console any earlier than that, given that they'd be sitting in the same position Sony and Microsoft are sitting in at the current.

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VoidofLight

@Grumblevolcano Even then, it doesn't mean BotW 2 will be a launch title for a new console. Not all new Zelda games were timed with console launches. Spirit Tracks, A Link Between Worlds, Majora's Mask. Those games weren't tied to a brand new console's launch.

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westman98

@Grumblevolcano
Sure, but a bunch of games (Mario Kart, 3D Mario, Metroid Prime, etc) would appeal to traditional Nintendo fans as well. Wii could have launched with Metroid Prime 3 Corruption instead of Twilight Princess and it would have still been a massive success, because most people were buying it to play the new blue ocean experiences like Wii Sports/Play/Fit.

@VoidofLight
Huh? Component suppliers are definitely capable of procuring and delivering components - how else do you think Sony, Microsoft (or any other consumer tech companies) are able to sell hardware? PS5 is narrowly tracking behind PS4 while Xbox Series is outpacing Xbox One sales launch-aligned despite the shortages, so components are clearly available and being used. Also, assuming Nintendo is still producing hybrids, they would be utilizing far smaller PCBs with much less and smaller components than Sony/Microsoft, so they would be the least impacted by shortages among the 3 console manufacturers.

And no, assembly manufacturers would not be perfectly fine with 3/4 years delays, and Nintendo will absolutely not be happy with a bunch of 3rd party devs/publishers "moving away" from their platform due to massive delays.

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