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Topic: For the last time, Nintendo will not release a 4k console this year, and not anytime soon.

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GrailUK

@Slowdive They have been ever since the Wii. Heck, ever since the Gameboy Colour for handhelds. Can't see why they would stop now. Especially since they are with NVidia for the next 15 years! They seem to have some clever boosting software.

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SwitchForce

@Mr-Fuggles777 releasing a v3 isn't going to split the base as the v3 would still play older games and most likely those v3 version would have built-in to work with v1, v2 console. So what are people really complaining about?

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rallydefault

Technical arguments aside and a willful ignorance to not acknowledge chipset developments, nearly everything you guys are saying could have (and probably were) been applied to the 3DS. The 3DS was doing incredibly well, and from the outside looking in it probably seemed pretty silly to "split" the userbase with a more powerful model, especially one that was necessary to run certain games (including a little title called Majora's Mask).

Just look back at Nintendo's history. They do this all the time. There aren't many Nintendo systems that they didn't "split" or iterate or even completely change the format during its lifespan, even at times when it seemed illogical due to outstanding success of the original model.

The next-gen MS/PS systems will continue to pick up steam as more and more stock becomes available. Nintendo will need something as 2021 progresses to generate some excitement ahead of their holiday releases. I think it's gonna happen.

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jump

@rallydefault you didn’t need a New 3DS to play Majora's Mask though. Fire Emblems Warriors and Xenoblade required it, I’m not sure what else though.

@1UP_MARIO Yeah I realised I meant Fire Emblem, not Hyrule after posting it.

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GrailUK

@rallydefault The 3DS wasn't a success out of the gate. I don't think it's entirely precise to compare them. There was much scope for growth with that system, that took a price cut, Mr Iwata took a drop in pay and I dare say the upgrade all helped. So yeah, the 3DS was a success eventually. But the Switch is a different animal, I reckon.

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@jump
My bad. Let's see... seems like Xenoblade, FE Warriors, Binding of Isaac Rebirth, Minecraft 3DS version, and a bunch of other smaller games I haven't really heard of lol

@GrailUK
It was not a success "out of the gate," as you say, but it quickly became one because Nintendo reacted quickly by slashing the price and putting out some critical games like Ocarina. It really only took a year for the system to start picking up steam. It came out in summer 2011, kinda bombed, got the XL model in 2012 along with Ocarina and stuff and really made its comeback. So, 2012 to mid or late 2015 (depending on XL or not) for the New 3DS - that's about 4 years of success, which is what we're looking at for the Switch. It didn't do the numbers of Switch, that's for sure. Not much else has for Nintendo except the Wii.

I just think it's really misleading to say the 3DS was a success "eventually" when in reality the turnaround comeback took a year, maybe 2 tops for a system that was sold for a decade.

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Grumblevolcano

@rallydefault You've got it wrong, 3DS was March 2011 and Ocarina released in June 2011 which was in the pre-discount failure period. What enabled 3DS success was price cut in August 2011 + 3D Land in November 2011 + MK7 in December 2011.

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GrailUK

@rallydefault I see what you mean. But you also have to remember, no matter how successful it became, I bet they were chasing their original projections for ages

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rallydefault

@Grumblevolcano
You don't think the Ocarina 3D remake, which was the third 3DS game to sell a million copies, didn't help in the rebound?

My whole point was that the rebound didn't take long. Like, a year, tops. The "flop" period can be measured in months. By your own reckoning, you place the price cut in August as the start of the turnaround, which would only be six months after release.

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jump

Has anyone considered the "pro" version is actually a just a normal Switch but with 4/5G?

With high profile Cloud games coming to the Switch now it would make sense Ninty would want The Switch to be able to access the internet when it's in handheld mode without the need for local wi-fi for these games to work and to encourage other publishers to release their games too. It also wouldn't split the consumer base which some people are worried would happen with a 4K Switch Pro. Just a thought which I think is possible but unlikely.

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@jump
Definitely possible.

But what I don't get is why people (not saying you specifically, just people) are bent on this idea that a "pro" Switch would necessitate exclusive games, thus splitting the userbase. Didn't we just see a PS4 Pro and Xbox One X that were significant upgrades over the original SKUs, but as far as I know did not receive any exclusive games? Hasn't Nintendo released new hardware SKUs of past consoles without exclusives? Overall it seems to be the industry rule, not the exception, for upgraded console models to not receive exclusives.

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Mountain_Man

Magician wrote:

Maybe in three or four years that might change as 8k televisions become more affordable.

8K is pointless for anything but massive displays that would be more at home in a movie theater than in the average household. Even 4K is not generally beneficial for anything smaller than 80", and even then you have to be uncomfortably close to see the difference between a 1080 image and a 4K image. We are beyond the point of diminishing returns for consumer displays.

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The Mountain Man

sixrings

@Mountain_Man people say that 4k isn't that big of a deal unless you're 60 inches plus. However I owned the last Sony 1080p 50 inch set they made, you can still buy them, and then I bought a 50 inch Samsung 4k qled. There was a night and day difference in the qualities of the sets. Perhaps its just that they don't sell 1080p in either qled or oled anymore and the Samsung does have HDR and a higher refresh rate. Maybe a 1080p tv with qled and or oled with HDR and a higher refresh rate would look equally good. The problem is they don't make those sets. 1080p tvs barely get any added features anymore so good luck comparing the two. the 4k will almost always look better as long as its from a reputable brand.

EDIT: SAMSUNG does make a 32 QLED 1080p frame tv. Sometimes Im tempted to buy it but I want a larger tv so its close to perfect just not perfect for me.

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teo_o

@sixrings Exactly. As much as i can agree that there are way too many posts about a 4k switch, they are there also because too many people don't understand that it would likely be upscaling with DLSS and not native 4k. Seriously guys, watch a Digital Foundry video or two and please get over the "nintendo won't replace the switch so soon, it's too succesful" argument, because the 4k upscale argument is nothing about replacing the switch with another console, but rather giving it a variant in resolution similar to what Xbox and playstation are doing. is it really so difficult to understand?
Not saying it must be real FYI, i'm just highlighting the reasons behind the theory, that are perfectly reasonable.
Or am i the only one that noticed that a switch on a 4k tv looks like *****? Upscale with DLSS. Done.

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Mountain_Man

sixrings wrote:

@Mountain_Man people say that 4k isn't that big of a deal unless you're 60 inches plus. However I owned the last Sony 1080p 50 inch set they made, you can still buy them, and then I bought a 50 inch Samsung 4k qled. There was a night and day difference in the qualities of the sets. Perhaps its just that they don't sell 1080p in either qled or oled anymore and the Samsung does have HDR and a higher refresh rate. Maybe a 1080p tv with qled and or oled with HDR and a higher refresh rate would look equally good. The problem is they don't make those sets. 1080p tvs barely get any added features anymore so good luck comparing the two. the 4k will almost always look better as long as its from a reputable brand.

EDIT: SAMSUNG does make a 32 QLED 1080p frame tv. Sometimes Im tempted to buy it but I want a larger tv so its close to perfect just not perfect for me.

Yes, the quality of components will make a noticeable difference, so pitting an older 1080 display against a newer 4K display does not give you an "all other things being equal" basis for comparison. Newer displays tend to be brighter with better color rendering and deeper blacks which will always make them look better than an older display that lacks those features. When it comes to resolution, the thing to keep in mind is dot pitch — that is the physical size of pixels and the distance between them — and the ability of the human eye to resolve it. For instance, at sizes below around 40", the dot pitch between 4K, 1080, and 720 is indistinguishable at normal viewing distances. Between 40" and 80", the dot pitch between 4K and 1080 is indistinguishable at normal viewing distances. I'm not sure what the threshold is between 4K and 8K off the top of my head, but we're probably talking displays in the 8 to 10 foot range. Of course store displays and salesmen will always encourage you to stand as close to a demo set as possible where the differences are more obvious, but that's just good old fashioned salesmanship.

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The Mountain Man

sixrings

@Mountain_Man I understand the resolution thing but as long as "Newer displays tend to be brighter with better color rendering and deeper blacks" then it doesn't matter. The 4k set ultimately looks better and no salesman had to explain that to me. I could just see it clearly in my own house after swapping out the sets.

sixrings

Mountain_Man

sixrings wrote:

@Mountain_Man I understand the resolution thing but as long as "Newer displays tend to be brighter with better color rendering and deeper blacks" then it doesn't matter. The 4k set ultimately looks better and no salesman had to explain that to me. I could just see it clearly in my own house after swapping out the sets.

All I'm saying is that the resolution is objectively the least noticeable difference.

The Mountain Man

sixrings

@Mountain_Man perhaps but if many people own a 4k tv then the lower the switch resolution the more upscaling it needs to work on a 4k tv making the image look poor. Even if the switch pro is simply upscaling via dlss the games will look noticeably better than asking the tv to do all the hard work.

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Budda

teo_o wrote:

Or am i the only one that noticed that a switch on a 4k tv looks like *****? Upscale with DLSS. Done.

Probably. Got a 65" 4k lower price class TV. It looks great! Don't know why it looks that bad on your TV.

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SwitchForce

However to experience 4k tv true your Player and TV both have to have 4K output and input for this to happen. A Gaming 4K monitor isn't the same as a TV 4K those have different specs to produce the same 4K results. The TV is upscale 4K and a Monitor with Gaming Rig with 4K GPU is true 4K gaming at the best and when it pushes hard 4K @60fps has issues as well pumping out 4K gaming so to compare a 4K tv to a Gaming 4K computer system or Laptop SLI/CF 4K is doing disservices to the 4K gaming community.

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