@Zuljaras@Guest88 I'm just recently been getting into anime and the problem isn't the art style, It's the stereotypical themes that are always forced into these type of things. A hero who always is weak and has to have hope and friendship to prevail. Girls who always flock around the main guy and fall all over him. The idea that the hero always wins and gets the girl. The cutesy attitude they all have. I'm not saying I hate it but the best anime style things always break those norms. Something seems much more powerful if it completely takes your expectations and shatters them. I love DDLC, Danganronpa, Ace Attorney. Each has an anime style, but is trully unlike anything else I've ever played.
@NintendoByNature For what it's worth, the most fervent complainants about the look of XC2 tend to be fans of the first game.
Having played both, I'd think the differences are mostly... ahem... skin deep and that otherwise the series has evolved nicely. The original is still my favourite in terms of the story, but the newer games - including XCX and Torna - have much better underlying game mechanics.
From the more modern ones I prefer Pokemon, Digimon and Yu-Gi-Oh (if you call that anime ofc.)
I'm not sure what baffles me more, the idea that these are still modern (since he's presumably talking about the original series), that the latest anime you enjoyed are the kid friendly ones compared to the even older ones, or that anyone would not call them anime.
Saying "I don't like modern anime" is a bit like saying "I don't like modern games;" it's such a broad, generalized statement about a vast medium as to be effectively meaningless, and really only communicates something about the pigeon-holed perspective of the speaker.
Fanservice, overt sexualization, harems, etc. have been a part of the medium at least since the mid-80s. The reason people notice more trashy shows now is because almost everything is translated and simulcasted now, whereas before the anime boom you were limited to children's shows, a handful of obscure movies suffering from horrifically inaccurate localizations, and a few hit TV shows and movies that were almost guaranteed to attract attention overseas and fared better in the translation department.
RE: Xenoblade 2, I will admit to loving that the series seems to have peaked in terms of sales and popularity with that game, despite constant complaints about it. Well, I guess it's not called the "vocal minority" for nothing.
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Gyro controls are cool to a degree, but they're not the Wii pointer controls. Barring maybe sports games and other specific examples, the best thing about the Wiimote era, and the fact that they're gone for console shooters is a tragedy. They were the most natural shooters have ever been for me outside of keyboard and mouse, and we've gone backwards for no good reason.
I mean granted, I can deal with it. But I also enjoyed Jet Force Gemini, that doesn't mean it had the best control scheme.
@Zuljaras There are still very different anime that are not shounen or harem romances. I am not sure what kind of genres you like but there is still a lot to discover, at least i made that experience recently
"on a scale of 1 to 10, she's an 11, and she'd give herself a 12" ~The Burst, Furi
@Zuljaras I think you can grow out of it. I remember liking dragon ball z as a kid. I watched it recently, and wow is it poorly paced.
The only one I've watched recently, and really liked was one punch man.
I quite like the style when it's used in video games in a cool way. Like No More Heroes or Final Fantasy.
The trouble is a lot of Anime games end up looking really bland. Characters from the Tales series, Xenoblade 2, valkyria chronicles, Fire Emblem, and Guilty Gear just do nothing for me. I can't really put my finger on what is.
They're not ugly character designs, maybe they're just too cartoony for me. Maybe it's transitioning a 2d art style into 3d that makes them look a bit weird
If anyone finds shonen anime tropes to be too prevalent and heavy handed, then I'd strongly recommend HunterxHunter (2011). It's my favourite anime, and one of my favourite shows of all time, and it masterfully deconstructs the shonen genre. I adore it.
@Zuljaras more dark mhhm, out of my head maybe Maybe Higurashi, Shiki, Monster, Ergo Proxy, Serial experiments lain, Fate/zero, madoka magicka...? Granted a few of those cannot really be considered modern.
Comedy is harder i think. Maybe one punch man, daily live of highschool boys, Gintama, The devil is a part timer.
Anyways, so that this goes back to gaming opinions: I really love anime styles in games after xenoblade 2, Ni no kuni and some tales of games. Those are actually my favorite, they are just so colorfull! Sure the game behind it might be bad but the style itself is really awesome i think
"on a scale of 1 to 10, she's an 11, and she'd give herself a 12" ~The Burst, Furi
You could also try Blame! That's the darkest thing I've seen in a while.
So far as 'harem' anime goes, it ain't all bad so give Urusei Yatsura a try. That's the series where the trope pretty much started and it's actually really good. Not only do you get the endless procession of alien babes, but its full of surreal imagery and madcap humour, yet it's fully capable of switching up for some dramatic moments. Sadly, it spawned a legion of feeble imitators that took the harem but left out all the good stuff. I'd have Tenchi Muyo as the last good harem anime, although even that slid into wish fulfillment territory pretty quickly.
Much the game goes for 'fan service.' What started as a bit of an in-joke in the Gainax shows Gunbuster, Evangelion and especially Otaku No Video (all really good and recommended) just ran out of control when others picked up on it , and now you've got every other anime heroine having bouncing boobs and going to war in their swimwear.
Saying "I don't like modern anime" is a bit like saying "I don't like modern games;" it's such a broad, generalized statement about a vast medium as to be effectively meaningless, and really only communicates something about the pigeon-holed perspective of the speaker.
I agree with this, whilst it seems like a very obvious statement to make there's a few replies after this comment which still sweeps anime as an entire genre rather than a medium. ;p
It's like saying all books, all podcasts, music or all tv shows etc are all the same, when really they can all be wildly different to each other. It would be like labelling 50 Shades Of Grey as the same thing as One Hundred Years of Solitude, Serial is pretty much The Nerdist, Slayer have the same sound as Nina Simone or Breaking Bad really just is The Bachelor. If I think about the anime shows/films that really hooked me they are all completely different from tone, setting etc and some don't even have fan service in them as shocking as that maybe.
Since it relates to a thread I was recently posting in: I don't think censorship in video games is an issue. I think most of the time it's an exaggerated response to a developer making creative decisions so their product is more marketable. As if it's a tacit admission of the creators to support a culture that the aggrieved doesn't like. Of course people are allowed to get upset if it happens, there's no accounting for personal tastes, but when I think of genuine examples of censorship I think more-
"Why are all those books burning?" Or
"Why did Winnie the Pooh suddenly disappear?" And less
"Why was the 13 year old changed to 16, and why'd they change the bikini I can make her wear?"
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Most censorship does not bother me a lot and may draw an occassional smile when i see it happening, be it in any medium. But only as long as it remains something small, irrelevant to the game as a whole e.g. a cigarette in somebodys hand at one scene.
The bigger it gets and the more i realize it is censorship, the more it bothers me though because it makes me feel like the game experience has been tampered with.
Usually these are also no problems as long as its the developers idea and he/she stands behind that. I usually have more of an issue with producers censoring or changing parts of the game because they think it fits more with the audience, i don't really have an example here though.
Since i cannot remember anything, out of my head, about being really upset about a censorship, it probably was never an issue for me as well.
Yeah that whole thing is kinda absurd and I hope its dying off now. I mean, I can respect people going all in on their weird visions, even if it will offend people. But like most of the time its just some Japanese dev putting a pervy thing in for lulz and English localization looking at it like "uh we can change that" and no one involved actually caring much.
Even in cases where I think it was a negative, its rarely a substantial change it seems like.
In all liklihood, the real censorship is one we don't see before a game comes out.
In all liklihood, the real censorship is one we don't see before a game comes out.
Exactly. I'm reminded of the insane cultists in Earthbound. They originally had an 'HH' on their hood that was removed in the US release. 10 year old me had no idea until I was much older. And even in this example I think it's an appropriate change and not real censorship.
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@Zuljaras if you like darker anime you should watch Danganronpa: the animation and Danganronpa 3: the end of hope’s peak. They are a little fan servicey, but they’re really good and go against a lot of anime tropes.
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