Topic: Unpopular Gaming Opinions

The people crying over censorship in games (and I do not mean cursing or guns, but sex or/ and boobs) and saying that they are angry because it is limiting the developers true mind are really just people wanting to see boobs in a game.

Come on man, just admit it you want to see boobs. A girl gets a trousers instead of hotpants, and suddenly you care about the vision of developer?
Especially when there is that standard 15 year old look a like anime game character who is sexy dressed like a grown up and 4990 years old...

You act like it hurts you in real life but it does not and you get really angry for it on other “politically correct people”.
If the developer / publisher said nothing about censorship you prolly would not have even noticed it.

( keep in mind that i do not mind if you/ and me see boobs or not)

@KoekiieWoekiie

I totally agree. Sexualized elements of games are censored for all kinds of reasons ranging from age ratings to simple cultural variances, but they really do not make significant changes to the game. If it really bothers you that much, it's probably because you just want to see stuff.

I dunno. I don't exactly like women being sexualized because it makes men think of them as sex objects. Do I like seeing naked women yes. At the same time women are more than their assets.

Yoshi's Crafted World was one of the best games this year.

@KoekiieWoekiie That's a very American thing though. Other countries sex isnt a big deal. It is weird to think, but it is true.

Us Americans are fine shooting someone in their face in front of anyone, but sexual scenes make us uncomfortable around people.

@Trajan I have no problem with sex. But I don't like that female characters in games are often dd breasted, super thin, and just always a 10/10. Now this is a problem with all media and not just videogames. It sets unrealistic expectations for men, and puts added body pressure for girls. That said I am very happily married to a 10/10 DD lady myself. So I'm a hypocrite.

@sixrings that's just the world we live in man. Look at all those instagram sloots.

@Trajan yeah it's fighting a losing battle but I do appreciate companies like Dove embracing different body types.

To add to this, my problem is less about how media IS HURTING MEN'S PERCEPTION OF WOMEN11!!11!! because that's borderline unproveable and almost certainly hyperbolic. The real problem is more that its often just overdone and lame, especially if you're in anime spaces long enough. I like sexy characters, but hollywood examples of hotness have almost never done much for me, anime is only somewhat better, and it takes the right character regardless. "Boring is a turnoff" is a great quote I heard once. Characters being half naked is not as inherently sexy as people think it is, quite frankly.

So even from a "dumb (demi)guy enjoying sexy characters" perspective, I don't get it. I have the internet, why do I need PG-13 fanservice in places that add nothing to anything?

Seems like some people are siding with me: that is nice, I thought we would we have a contender coming up so we could have a civil deep-going discussion but its okay.

Goose Game is my personal GOTY. Yes, I'm serious.

@KoekiieWoekiie To be fair, I heard a lot people claiming the changes made in TMS actually altered the narrative in that portion of the game. I said changes instead of censorship because it I’m not sure a developer making conscious changes to their product classifies as censorship persay. Maybe it was done so it appeals to wider audience, regardless of cultural background. I don’t know personally.

Regardless it’s hard for me to get upset at a lot of censorship, since for the most part it seems to target a lot of the hollow attempts at titiallation, that pass off as sexuality in this industry. I’m not calling for censorship of anything certainly. It’s up to the consumer to decide what they want to play. But it’s hard to stand by a piece of media when the content is tropey and ridiculous.

@NotTelevision TMS is as divisive as Pokemon. Honestly I think the biggest problem with what happened with TMS was neither "censorship" (covering the upskirt and so forth didn't matter), but it was not just a localization change, but one that made absolutely no sense. Chapter 2 was a commentary on the pressure in Japanese idol business to push a music/screen idol into gravure/"risque" (slightly harder than softcore porn, slightly softer than hardcore porn) and trashing their reputations and careers for the quick buck...er...yen.

Ok, that makes no sense outside Japan and thus had to be localized. That's fine. The problem is they changed it into something bizarre and senseless and "non-risque-at-all", the Disney version of it, and in the context of the dungeon design, character design, and remaining dialogue that was unchanged, it really broke the chapter.

People say "censorship" but in reality that one was a victim of "exceedingly crummy localization."

@NEStalgia Thanks for making that more clear. I didn’t read it as censorship more like an alteration made in the localization process, like you said.

I’m not sure that has an exact equivalent in other countries. In the US, for instance, someone like Miley Cyrus or Nicki Minaj definitely have that appeal, but it’s hard to tell if that sort of thing comes exclusively from managers and agents or from the artists creating that image to sell more albums.

In any case, it’s a shame the change in Chapter 2 was so drastic and edgeless.

Yeah I'd say 90% of the time when people complain about censorship in games, they're actually talking about localisation, which has always been a necessary part of game releases. Still, at least the Tokyo Mirage Sessions controversy gave us this gem https://twitter.com/Sebban_E/status/731131432140210176

@NEStalgia I wouldn't even call what gravure idols do "softcore pornography." The whole point of that enterprise is that they usually exude a sense of innocent sexuality and youth, which is why they're usually not nude models. It's really similar to what used to be called "cheesecake" in America.

AV idols do porn, of course, but I don't think that was the particular niche of the industry the game was targeting.

Now, maybe I'm more cynical than I should be, but it shouldn't be difficult at all to "localize" a young celebrity woman being pushed into doing risque, sexually objectifying modeling. That's not an uncommon thing in the West.

The only proper term for the change is "censorship." The localization removed the theme entirely and replaced it, as even you pointed out, with something more 'family friendly.' It wasn't altered to aid audience understanding, but likely because Nintendo was uncomfortable publishing a game with such mature themes in it overseas, where they still maintain a certain public image.

EDIT: Actually, it's even more likely that they didn't want those themes associated with first-party IP. Especially now that Fire Emblem is becoming an increasingly 'mainstream' property.

@NotTelevision Somehow the localization team thought that "dressing like Joey Lawrence in 1995" was a suitable replacement for "becoming a gravure model". Either that or Atlus was just trolling. Could be....

@Ralizah Eh...it's softcore. I mean it's more innocent than half of what Hollywood cranks out as "family entertainment" these days, true enough, but it's the "intent" of leering at kids without even pretending to have another purpose, basically, that gives it its reputation even in Japan that the game was touching on.

But, yeah, I agree, that it shouldn't have been difficult to adapt the exact same situation to the West. And that was in the pre-Weinstein era... Gravure has some unique connotations and social implications in Japan specifically the original focuses on, but it's not like the west is that different in that regard....it's more in the details, and some dialogue tweaks really bridge the difference fine. For some reason they didn't want it to touch on serious topics in the West. Which is weird considering every other chapter does.

I don't think the term is "censorship" either. Censorship is hiding or removing content that is inappropriate/restricted for the audience. This game even left the bikini pics in the dungeon. They didn't really remove the actual risque content....they completely altered the story and events otherwise. It was definitely "localization" but not just "localization" but a content change to suit the intended audience which apparently they decided was going to be a different audience in the West than it was in Japan (and now decided Japan is that audience, too...)

I'm not sure it has to do with Nintendo's image in the west. They've published plenty of other games even in the West, including FE, that fly in the face of that image. Camilla exists. Really, everything else is fair game for them after that.

And that's tied to the FE name that TMS#FE is. It's really weird, and weird that it extended not just from Treehouse but to NCL, and then to Atlus. Treehouse sometimes does it's Puritan edits for Nintendos image, but this went all the way back to Japan and then back to Atlus. And Nintendo publishes SMT.......It's just weird all the way around. I'm sure it's not about image but about ratings and costs more than anything, but still, it's weirder than normal, and twice as weird they're doubling down on it in Japan for the re-release. I wonder what really went on there.

Of course now that gaming has entered the China market and cost saves to release one version worldwide, this should be expected to be the rule, not the exception.

I would like to see male characters on video games treated just like females on video games.
Instead of milking the sexy babes with naughty looking or try to seduce innocent girl, why don't put hunky dudes with some muscle and shirtless , also we can seduce those boys just like we seduce the girls ?
If it will not working for male gamers by normally, who cares. It might attract other gamers that have interest with same sex relationship.

@Anti-Matter That's what Bioware is for, but you refuse to play M rated games.

I can try softcore from The Sims 4.
Six pack dudes i have created, ahoy !