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Haru17

Skyrim still has more RPG mechanics than most full RPGs, though.

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Whydoievenbother

kkslider5552000 wrote:

MrMario02 wrote:

When a game is made more accessible, that's not necessarily a bad thing. It can be bad if it takes depth from the game, but it doesn't have to be bad.
GAMES THAT DID IT WELL:
Vanquish
Metal Gear Rising
Jet Set Radio/ Jet Grind Radio

...I'm confused by this.

When I think of games being more accessible, I always think of how games change between games. But, one of these is a one off IP, one is a spinoff and only one is a sequel and you mentioned the original anyway.

1. Which one is the sequel? EDIT: Jet Set Radio and Jet Grind Radio are the same game. Jet Set Radio is the UK name and Jet Grind Radio is the US name.
2. I've seen seen accessibility bashing occur around every game from Bayonetta 1 to New Super Mario Bros. Wii

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CanisWolfred

@MrMario02 Okay, first off: How is Metal Gear Rising more accessible? It's a gruelingly hard action game, to the point where even fans of Devil May Cry and Ninja Gaiden needed a guide/tips before they could proceed, made worse by the fact that the game did not actually explain itself very well. It seems to be the very antithesis of your argument here. Vanquished is the only one that actually seems to apply here, in that Easy mode is exactly what the name implies: It's the game with training wheels on. You can still enjoy it, but once you got it down and finally take them off, you're in for one hellavu ride.

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Whydoievenbother

@CanisWolfred
1. MGR has an in-depth easy mode and an overall structure that facilitates building up weaker players (you can button mash your way through if you want, but by learning and mastering the mechanics, you will be rewarded for doing so). I will say that it's tutorials aren't as good as Vanquish.
2. Metal Gear Rising is harder than most of it's contemporaries? I beat it on normal, and I've never played a hack n' slash game before MGR.
3. What about Jet Set Radio? Compared to games like Tony Hawk's Pro Skater or Skate, it's mechanics are decidedly simple. The most complex mechanic is the graffiti system, which is fairly self explanatory.

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CanisWolfred

@MrMario02 To be fair, MGR is still sitting shrinkwrapped on my shelf. I'm way too far behind on the MGS series to bother with any spinoff until I catch up. I'm just going off of what a handful of fans had told me over the years there, I suppose I should've clarified earlier.

I personally thought Jet Set Radio (and it's sequel, Jet Set Radio Future) was a shallow and repetitive game, not unlike its soundtrack that people apparently adore. I don't get it, and I certainly don't agree with your assessment of it. I guess it was easy to get into, at least, but I don't feel like there was actually much to "get down"...

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DefHalan

N64 is the worst Nintendo System so far

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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BranJ0

@DefHalan Well...that's definitely unpopular! Could you expand upon why you don't like it? Was it the games, controller, etc.?

BranJ0

DefHalan

@BranJ0 the N64 was filled with a lot of games that were good for their time but can stand up against newer versions. Gameplay wise, Nintendo's games on the N64 (Mario 64, Ocarina of Time, F-Zero X, Mario Kart 64) are not as good as the games that came before or after. In fact the best games on the N64 came from Rare but even then a lot of the games are kinda just ok. The N64 was a big step into 3D and it did a lot for the industry but I don't want to replay as many N64 games as I do NES, SNES, GameCube, Wii, or Wii U. I am still wanting to play N64 games because I wasn't a hardcore gamer during that generation and have never played a lot of them, but as I go through and play them, I find them underwhelming even compared to SNES or NES games. N64 was the worst Nintendo system, but compared to other companies it is still pretty good.

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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RR529

Yeah, the 64 is incredibly hard to get back into nowadays. Everytime I play it I wonder how I ever put up with that nightmare of a controller.

In comparison, I'd say it's much easier to go back and play some SNES.

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Buizel

DefHalan wrote:

@BranJ0 the N64 was filled with a lot of games that were good for their time but can stand up against newer versions. Gameplay wise, Nintendo's games on the N64 (Mario 64, Ocarina of Time, F-Zero X, Mario Kart 64) are not as good as the games that came before or after. In fact the best games on the N64 came from Rare but even then a lot of the games are kinda just ok. The N64 was a big step into 3D and it did a lot for the industry but I don't want to replay as many N64 games as I do NES, SNES, GameCube, Wii, or Wii U. I am still wanting to play N64 games because I wasn't a hardcore gamer during that generation and have never played a lot of them, but as I go through and play them, I find them underwhelming even compared to SNES or NES games. N64 was the worst Nintendo system, but compared to other companies it is still pretty good.

This is very much how I feel about the N64. I still love it, but find it harder to go back to than perhaps the SNES (which had refined 2D gameplay) or Gamecube (which significantly built on the foundations that the N64 provided).

Interesting you don't feel the same way about the NES though. I'd argue that it's the worst, and the SNES managed to do everything it did, but better.

RR529 wrote:

Yeah, the 64 is incredibly hard to get back into nowadays. Everytime I play it I wonder how I ever put up with that nightmare of a controller.

I sometimes wonder if the N64 controller has always been so bad! The analogue stick always feels very loose...I'm personally not sure if that's due to overuse or the archaic design. Nonetheless, I still enjoy using the N64 for its bit of nostalgic charm.

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DefHalan

@Buizel The NES still has games that weren't just better on SNES. Super Mario World might have improved on Super Mario Bros. 3 overall, but 1 and 2 still stand out for certain reasons. Legend of Zelda had a much more open feel to it than A Link to the Past. Zelda 2 is pretty unique compared to any other Zelda in the series almost lol. Excitebike. Duck Hunt. Some things have stayed unique on NES. NES might be just above the N64 in feeling like the worst system, but we will see what Time does to Wii U. I enjoy the Wii U now, but will it hold up over the years?

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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DefHalan

CanisWolfred wrote:

DefHalan wrote:

N64 is the worst Nintendo System so far

No. Because the Virtua Boy still exists. You can't hand-wave that $#!+, man.

Never played a Virtua Boy. So I can't say how terrible or good it is. So I would have to exclude that from my list but from what I have heard, you are most likely right.

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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CanisWolfred

DefHalan wrote:

...but from what I have heard [about the Virtual Boy], you are most likely right.

Damn right.

But I'll at least agree that the N64 hasn't stood the test of time. I still love a lot of games from that era, but only because there are certain gameplay styles that were abandoned for no particular reasons other than fickle market tastes. Otherwise, yeah, it's an ugly machine, the controller's awkwardly designed, it's cartridges, while sturdy, are fairly bulky. And pretty much all the games are hard to look at nowadays, with their frequent clipping, flat textures, and a lot of games lacked any sort of reasonable draw distance, so you'd have games like Turok or Star Wars, where everything was enveloped by a constant fog, and you can barely tell where you're going sometimes. Not to mention the painful transitions in gameplay mechanics, as developers struggled to figure out the whole 3D thing...it was a mess all around.

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kkslider5552000

I find N64 games charming but I do agree as soon as you get past the real classics, objectively the drop in quality is pretty big, especially as the console between the SNES and GCN.

Weird unpopular opinion: I really want to play Ribbit King someday. It's this weird golf game and it seems really weird and cool. Thankfully Game Grumps played it so people might know it exists. Based on what I've seen of it, I'd rather play it more than most new games. I don't even think it's probably some great game, but it's so weird and intriguing I want it more than most better games released this year.

On a related note, I miss that era when weirder Japanese games still seemed to have a market (outside of ironic lulz for visual novels). They might still but from my perspective, they've seemed to have vanished. I think the only reason people still hear about those types of games over here is that now annual December Sony event thing.

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Buizel

@kkslider5552000 I agree about the weird games. Personally I think one of the main reasons to go retro these days is to dig up the strange experiences that you wouldn't get these days, e.g. Ribbit King and Seaman on the Dreamcast. I think PS1 especially had a lot of these odd titles.

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Peek-a-boo

I remember buying blooming LOADS of N64 games through the Virtual Console on the Wii.

Apart from Mario Kart 64, almost all of the games were surprisingly dull looking and rather joyless to play.

In fact, I argue that PSone games have aged better than those that were on the N64. Playing PSone games on the PS Vita is absolutely brilliant, especially as the 5" screen compresses the image and makes things look cleaner and less 'juddery'.

I loved the N64 when I was a kid, but it is so hard to go back to it nowadays. I prefer playing NES and SNES games!

Peek-a-boo

Buizel

@Peek-a-boo Personally I find PS1 games have aged just as badly, and find few compelling titles outside of JRPGs and the odd platformer.

As for emulation - I have heard a few issues with the N64 emulation on Wii U but don't see it myself. Personally I think PS1 games look a bit crap on my PSP, but they do seem a bit better on my girlfriend's Vita.

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kkslider5552000

Peek-a-boo wrote:

Apart from Mario Kart 64, almost all of the games were surprisingly dull looking and rather joyless to play.

I have the exact opposite opinion and think Mario Kart 64 is one of the N64 games that have aged the worst (if mainly because the later games are so much better).

Though granted, Mario Kart 64 has aged better than expected graphically via the weird kinda 2d thing it had going.

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Octane

@kkslider5552000 Ribbit King is neat, but the last match is ridiculously difficult. As a multiplayer game it's goos fun too.

I agree about the "weird" games, but it seems that most B-tier devs and franchises have vanished. Indie games have taken that role in a way, but I doubt we'll be seeing something crazy like frog golfing anytime soon.

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