Topic: The Chit-Chat Thread

@ogo79 You're very welcome, ogo. Here, have a complimentary cocktail on me:

@NEStalgia I always thought it was spelled "roofies", because of them going to your head or something.

Either way, I'm not that zombie-like during the day, or I interpreted you incorrectly, and/or you're actually a VERY good actor in front of co-workers and the like. I can operate at a normal level, be energetic and socially engaged at work, but I do feel tired when I go home, and basically, I feel the level going up again when I've had my dinner and my evening cup of Joe, so the timing is about the same as yours, anywhere between 7 and 8pm.

As for it getting better time schedule-wise when you're older: unfortunately, there's a niggle there that you overlooked: once you're 60+, and you're FINALLY in tune with "regular" people's (can't say normal anymore these days, can we?) biological clock, you've become too slow to keep up with them during the day, meaning you'll STILL be out of sync...

On a side note: and personally, I couldn't even imagine getting up earlier all by myself, but we'll see what happens when I reach that age. I do know my grandpa always got up around 6 or 7am, all of his own accord, but then again, he also went to bed before 11pm. For me, that's an evening still in progress, so I'll usually add at least another 1,5 hours to that, if not more. Even on a week day. Maybe I need some kids to wear me down and get me into a more socially accepted rhythm...

@NintendoByNature I have no problems whatsoever with getting up at whatever hour is necessary, but reading all the replies/reactions, I think that all of us also have a slightly different view on what a "morning person" (or evening person, for that matter) is. To me, it's not a person that can manage, function and be okay with whatever time they need to get out of bed, because I can do that as well, and VERY easily, mind you.

No, to me, a morning/evening person is the person that feels best and happiest at that particular time of the day, with the important underline that you need to feel as such without being influenced by any outside factors, so if for example, you come out of bed kinda grumpy, but subsequently start feeling happy/happier, because you get to do something for your kids, or get to spend time with them, then you're still not a morning person in my book, or in any correct understanding of the word's book, far as I'm concerned.

When you already come out of bed smiling, singing (a certain Al Jarreau song comes to mind) or generally feeling great and fully awake and/or completely rested, THEN you are an actual morning person. Otherwise, people are just accustomed to/used to a certain schedule or regime. Which, as mentioned, is perfectly possible, even if you're not a cheerful, chatty morning person...

Personally and in general, I just need my 5 hours of sleep minimum, preferably 7, but during week days, I usually never get to 7, because of the obligatory starting hours, and me still not being an early sleeper. But in the weekends, I do allow myself to sleep for whatever time is needed, and that of course also depends on how late I go to bed, which especially on a Saturday, may well be by the time the birds start singing their morning song, so add 7 hours to that, and you'll get the picture of how short my Sundays sometimes are...

@redd214 Nah, if you can get used to it like that you're definitely not able to understand what the people that biologically can't experience. It's not about getting used to it. Literally, physically, it isn't possible, and it's effectively like feeling drugged the first half of every day. People who "get used to it" didn't actually have a problem to begin with, they were just adapted to a different schedule and could adapt to any other schedule as their clocks work on roughly 24h cycles.

None of us talking about it have been, or would ever seek to be "diagnosed" for it, especially since there's no such thing as a "cure" (for simply having a body clock different than the most common clock?) but it is an actual thing they actually do diagnose - a body clock that doesn't run in 24h intervals just doesn't...no way around it. And it's estimated to be 20-30% of the population so it's not exactly rare. It's just not acknowledged much, and always passed off by people that aren't actually experiencing it that confuse it with just adjusting to new times and can't actually experience the actual feeling of it. The trouble is you can't actually "go to bed early" - your body doesn't drop it's temperatures and rhythms into the sleep cycle until it's ready, and you can't "wake up early" and that "early sleep" time is generally your highest alert levels of the day. The more difficult cases is that "delayed sleep cycle" condition (actual medical condition, not many diagnosed specifically, not many seek to be "diagnosed" and even those that are are basically told "well, that sucks...now you know!" ) I wouldn't bother with medical diagnoses but I find it interesting that that's likely the case as the details match up.

Effectively, most people have a 23:30-24:30 hour natural clock. You can set your sleep whenever you want. But some people have a short or long one. 20-22h, 25-28h. meaning their natural cycle is to have shorter longer days/periods of awake, with the same amount of sleep between. that actually sounds like an advantage if you're on the long side....and it would be - more awake time, less sleep time over your life time required. But since the world functions on solar days it puts you out of sync with life around you. If you wake up at 8:00 today, your natural sleep time might be 12:00 midnight. Then tomorrow if you get 8h sleep you'd get up at 8, but your sleep cycle will be 1:30. Sleep another 8 hours, sleep cycle is 9:30....and your new bed time will be 3:00.....sleep till 11:00 etc. Over a week or two you get back to that "normal" time for one day.

It would be awesome, actually, were it not for having to force your body against its rhythm on a natural basis to function with everyone else. But yeah, if you can just force yourself into a new sleep cycle like that, you're the average for sure....but you definitely don't know what the experience is like. It's like fighting horse tranquilizers every morning for a few hours and made to play pretend as best you can (usually giving stupid answers to any questions...You're not actually thinking, your just acting the motions.) and then at "bed time" you're wired and raring to start a dozen projects. Which you do, because sleep isn't an option. Then you set the alarms because you have to, and in addition to having that deferred sleep you're running on 2-5 hours sleep most of your life.

Honestly if I ever had to get up at something like 5:00AM I'd do better to simply not sleep at all prior.....but then that creates whole new problems.

@BabyYoshi12 I suppose the "what game should I buy next" thread can be for any console or handheld, and is more dependent on what kind of game(s) people like, and the Switch suggestion thread is obviously console-specific, and you can also simply suggest any Switch game you've played and liked without it being based upon someone else's taste or opinion, whereas in the "what game should I buy next" thread, it is more focused, as mentioned, on what people like and want.

Hm I tried making meringues on the new dehydrator instead of the oven, and it works, though it’s considerably slower.

I also made them too sweet. Half a cup was too much for two whites!

I am leaving now and will return on Friday. I will miss the community and return soon!

Did you know you can daisy-chain 3DO controllers up to 8 in total for local multiplayer? It does sound kind of fun.

@NEStalgia OK man, whatever you say

@Vinny if you have a gamecube broadband adaptor for a gamecube you can hook up 2 gamecube to play Mario kart double dash with 8 players.

@Ninfan You can do something similar with some older PS2 models with iLink/Firewire ports, you can link two systems to play Gran Turismo 3 with two different TVs!

@redd214 hey, you can roll your eyes at my gaming opinions, but you can't roll your eyes at medical science!

@NEStalgia cool man, thanks!

@NEStalgia That 25-28 hour cycle would explain so very much about me! On the occasions that I can go days without an alarm schedule, my awake hours tend to shift later and later each day. If I start from my normal work routine of 6 am to 10:30pm, after about a week I'm waking up at noon and going to bed 3-5 in the morning without any intentional shifting - just waking and going do bed on my own rhythms.

Hey now, I am convinced there will still be a "society". But whether it will resemble anything like what we know today is... an open question.

@ThanosReXXX "If by "getting used to" they mean "able to deal with it to some extent so you can have some semblance of normal functioning", " in that sense, I would absolutely agree as well. Learning to tolerate the discomfort and morning groggy-ness is something I have done.

That 3D series of Mega Drive ports M2 made for the 3DS back then was pretty cool, shame we never got the 3D versions of Streets of Rage 3 and Ecco 2.

@NEStalgia I didn't read your whole conversation with that other dude, but there are massive swathes of the population that roll their eyes at science all the time. Doesn't matter how much data and evidence you show them, their cult leader or some myth, or one random YouTube video or Reddit post "disproves" it. lol

@Ninfan Well, I'm currently on furlough, so technically nothing. I help maintain and add features to a pretty robust service management/route tracking application. Some parts of the program are pretty old, so it gets...erm...interesting to interact with those areas sometimes. Definitely some old/bad logic in them. Some of the older database structure isn't ideal either.

@Heavyarms55 I highly doubt I'll ever truly be a morning person, though it may happen to me when I reach my senior years like with many others lol. Part of how I feel when I wake up is at least somewhat related to when I get to bed, but there are many other factors. It's hard for me to go to bed TOO early, and no matter what I'm still drowsy as heck when I wake up to an alarm. I've gotten better about not hitting snooze at least as I've read that makes things worse. My tired state persists anywhere from half an hour to about two hours on the worst occasions and ranges from "Uh...Hi" status to "Eh...meh...Feh...."

It's usually a good sign if I can speak proper English first thing. XD

@ThanosReXXX Arming myself with titles and other info has generally worked before to circumvent such problems!

Agreed on NSO's incentives. Not that they're bad per se, but IMO the service is capable of much, MUCH more. For one, they could actually do something more robust/secure with online multiplayer (though more costly) by hosting matches on actual servers with checks/balances vs. a P2P connection for some games.

@Tyranexx I am able to get around it mostly be means of significant caffeine intake. I drink two big mugs of coffee every morning. That's usually but not always, enough to get me going. Only if I actually also got a comparatively good night's sleep. Which is sketchy for me. I have issues with dreams/nightmares that often keep that from happening.

@Heavyarms55 Yeah, unfortunately, we sometimes have to, in order to be able to get along with the rest of the society that we live and work in. But on the other hand, it also brings nice things sometimes, so that's usually what I focus on, instead of "ah, man. I don't want to get up and get myself in gear for yet another dreary day"...

@redd214 Didn't you know that sarcasm is forbidden, in the Chit-Chat thread?

All kidding aside and no offense, I do want to add that just because we all have our individual experiences and truths, that does not mean that other people's experiences and truths are less valid, or that our own truth is the only one. I can definitely attest to some of what NEStalgia is saying, so it's a bit odd, to say the least, to apparently see you wave that away as if it is all a bunch of nonsense, especially since I've come to know you (as far as anyone can, in an online forum) as one of the good guys here on NLife.

The simple truth of it is that not all people are shiny, happy individuals when they get out of bed in the morning, and it is most definitely true that they don't all possess the power, skills or wherewithal to deal with it or get used to it, no matter how many years they (try to) force themselves into making it work to the extent that they can deal with it and with the society around them.

And even though it's largely a biological thing, in some ways, it actually isn't all that different from any other skill that some people seem to be able to develop naturally or already possess, while some can struggle for years to learn and will still never be able to (completely) master, regardless of any kind of conditioning, belief system or whatever other kind of means one might use to learn or train.

@Tyranexx Indeed. And as mentioned before, I'm still wondering about how they could, in my opinion, have taken such a HUGE step back, when you compare it to the Virtual Console services. Online was never Nintendo's strong suit, but to compound on that by making the access to their classic games an inferior experience from what they had on their previous two generations of consoles is beyond weird to me.

@ThanosReXXX Thankfully it's not that my days are particularly bad. They aren't. It's simply that it's hard to be motivated or feel as positive as I force myself to act for those first couple hours where I'm either groggy and sluggish, or just pumped full of caffeine.

@Heavyarms55 Yeah, agreed on that. I also don't feel like that all day. I should have been a bit more clear. It's just the getting started part. Once I'm rolling, I can manage. Still often feel tired at the end of a 9 to 5, though. But once I get home, had dinner, and the evening starts, I feel completely energized again, and that is basically where the continuing "problem" comes from, because I go to bed WAY too late, but that is in part also because I don't like staring at the ceiling for more than an hour because I can't catch any sleep if I go to bed earlier.

They finally designed a console that looks like those futuristic "future consoles" mockups from the mid to late 2000's!