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@Anti-Matter Yep, what you described is in fact shown in the very first Assassin's Creed game and expanded on throughout the series. So your brain has actually been playing out the plot lines of M rated games for decades.

It's also pretty much the background story of Scientology, so ... yeah.

Meanwhile, i'll join you in waiting for our Zentradi overlords. Khyron Did Nothing Wrong!

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@Tyranexx - Haha, I’m sure you see the meat shield so much. I’ve seen it many times, my friends and I used to laugh about it. It’s funny every time. There was one large scale haunted house in my town when I was in HS, and I went nearly every weekend it was open. It took a good 35-40 minutes to get through, and the line was hours long on weekend nights. You’re right, the line really was a party in itself. I’ll admit to taking part in some festivities while waiting to get in, but I was a good patron, I was there for the fun, and was staunchly against anyone breaking the show/atmosphere once inside. I took my daughter through a carnival funhouse this summer, and it made me nostalgic for a big haunted house, and super excited to take my kids some day.

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Heavyarms55

@BruceCM That's very true. It is entirely possible that would could detect signals from a civilization that died a billion years ago. Imagine how depressing that would be, we finally detect a signal, decipher it, and it's a distress signal from a civilization on the verge of destruction a million years ago... We find proof of life only to learn said life is already long dead.

@StableInvadeel Sorry about that, I usually try to but sometimes when I'm in a hurry I forget.

But on that note, if you don't tag me, I'm not likely to see you're comment. Especially on such an active thread.

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Tyranexx

@StableInvadeel Since Gen 6 eh? Seems i missed that, though Purrloin isn't really one of my favorites. I normally just collect some of my favs in each generation. I don't believe I've completed a Pokedex since Pokemon Diamond.

@bimmy-lee Ours only takes about fifteen minutes or so to get through depending on the group and the general line length; they tend to send groups through a little more frequently on very busy nights. There are line actors (typically those who have been involved for years) whose purpose is to both entertain patrons and to subtly test them out to see if they're suited to the attraction or may cause any problems. While we can't touch customers, they can be touched by props. 😈

It's also amazing how some patrons can't follow the rules even though they're clearly posted and gone over before entering the house. One guy who was higher than a kite was extricated a couple of years ago after opening a lighter in one of the dark maze sections so that he could see. Indoor attraction with flammable materials + open flame = definite nope. There were also two ambulance calls my first year due to epileptics somehow missing the warnings that there were strobes. (This year is my fifth)

Except for emergencies, we aren't allowed to break character. We want people to have a good time - heck, I don't mind if someone isn't scared as long as they're enjoying themselves - but following the rules and letting yourselves have fun goes a long way. XD

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Heavyarms55

@bimmy-lee I think it is honestly kind of hilarious that people still talk about Area 51 like there is anything there. It's such a pop culture phenomenon at this point that if anyone in the US government/military has even 2 functional brain cells, they'd have long since moved whatever secrets they had to a different location. And I am pretty sure the US military has at least one dude smart enough to do that. At least one. Probably.

I doubt they have any actual aliens or alien tech anywhere, that's just too big a secret to keep, it would get out. But it wouldn't surprise me if they had a secret location like Area 51 where all sorts of ultra secret military research takes place. The military is always looking for new ways to carry out more mass murder somewhere.

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BruceCM

Well, we were talking not just about there being life elsewhere, @ThanosReXXX. ... It's got to be intelligent & advanced to interstellar space-exploring stage! & I'm certainly not arguing there isn't such an alien civilisation out there, either! Maybe they're coming from somewhere thousands of light-years away as we speak? There's another reason for apparent lack of contact!
@Heavyarms55, & here's another thing to consider; what if aliens are trying to make contact but it's with technology we can't recognise at all & we can't even detect the signals?

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Heavyarms55

@BruceCM I think in one of the other comments I mentioned that. One of the ideas explaining the Fermi Paradox is the idea that technological civilizations either develop beyond electromagnetic communications (radio basically) rather quickly, or rely on some form of communication technology we cannot recognize.

Another potential possibility is, if a species evolved a natural biological means of communication over long distances they may never develop the sort of communication tech we would recognize.

It's also entirely conceivable that while life may be common, intelligence or sapience might be exponentially more rare.

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BruceCM

Well, yeah, @Heavyarms55 ... We're not really interested in there's life out there, which there definitely must be It's intelligent life-forms & sufficiently developed to be exploring space, bearing in mind they're probably in other solar systems, at least hundreds, probably thousands & possibly millions of light-years away!
So, unless there is any way around the light-speed limit, they also have to think it's worth spending that time travelling this way & would have to be that long ahead of us to be here yet
They might well be busy exploring their own area, which we only see before life really got going, if it's that far away....

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Heavyarms55

@BruceCM If there is no way around the speed of light either literally or by "cheating" with something like a warp drive, wormhole or some other device or method, then there is still the sleeper ship concept and the generation ship concept. The sleeper ship is the idea of building a ship that would travel at conventional speeds for likely tens, hundreds, or even thousands of years, through the dark of space toward a solar system with a planet believed to be viable for colonization. It would use some form of suspended animation to bring people people to their destination with a minimum of aging. The Generation ship is a mix of the sleeper ship idea combined with something like an O'Neil Cylinder, basically a fully self sufficient city in space making the same trip, so that several generations later it would arrive at a solar system fit for colonization and exploitation.

In this scenario both us and other potential intelligent life would only be concerned with one another on the slim chance we both went after the same solar system.

Such a colonization plan would be a more extreme version of when Europeans took a one way trip to colonize the Americas, there would be no going home on vacation in a few years. lol

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BruceCM

Yeah, that's what I'm getting it, @Heavyarms55 .... They have to think it's worth travelling for that long & be heading this way as well! The Alien films sort of touched on the difficulties with that but it would be hundreds or thousands of years, not decades
I think that would not be used for simple exploration; it'd be if their home planet was becoming unlivable or something, so they had to do it

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Heavyarms55

@BruceCM Yeah the idea of crewed exploration missions of such amounts of time would just be silly. Such missions would be one way trips. Athough even with currently understood technologies, a sort of long distance relationship would be possible between worlds within a dozen or so light years. And even star systems as far apart as 100 or so light years would be able to send general messages. I could imagine a scenario where a sleeper ship was launched, reached 1/10th the speed of light after a long acceleration, and colonized a star system 10 light years away. After a century they could send back messages. Assuming there were still people listening. I could see two worlds developing like this and it becoming a huge event every decade when the next message comes.

Or maybe that's just the idealist/romantic in me talking. It would make a cool movie or book at least. Imagine the drama if, after decades or centuries of this being the norm, the message doesn't come!

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ThanosReXXX

@Heavyarms55 I saw a documentary about it, pretty interesting. What I always like about Japanese lore and legend, is that much like Greek myths, which I also really like, they always tie into real life events and real persons or places.

Here's a wiki that gives you a general picture, and with the links included, you can always dive in further, if you find that you're really interested after having read that initial information:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utsuro-bune

Concerning your comment on alien communication and how it may have evolved beyond something we'd recognize or know how to use: that immediately made me wonder how those two gold-plated records with all the info about us and our planet would be interpreted by aliens, if at all, because if they've moved beyond our means of communicating, then they may not even have the devices to read and/or listen to ours. After all: nobody over here is using a gramophone with wax rolls anymore either...

I do like your idea of long distance interstellar communication, though, so maybe we share that idealist/romantic view in that respect. It would be like the WOW! signal, but then on a regular basis, and actually known and intelligible.

@HobbitGamer Ah, thanks for clearing that up. I was pretty much in the dark as explained earlier, but it all makes sense now.

@Tyranexx You're welcome. Wasn't sure if it would be the right glass for you, since it's basically a mug without a handle, and not everyone likes to drink alcohol, or any kind of cold beverage, out of a large, thick glass.

@bimmy-lee @Tyranexx Meat shields? Man, I've learned some strange things on here, over the years...
I'd also imagine that with the dawn of the vegetarian/vegan victory in sight, we might have to come up with another, more politically correct label for that...

@BruceCM Well, the definition doesn't HAVE to include them being able to perform interstellar travel, since we aren't really able to do that either (well, at least: I'm certainly not counting the slow mo version of it that we use as interstellar), so all they'd need to be is our equal at least, or anything above that.

Then again: a kind of medieval civilization would also count, seeing as they'd still be intelligent and/or humanoid.

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ThanosReXXX

bimmy-lee wrote:

Well, if a government’s concern is its people, ours should be very concerned. There’s a lot of us, and we have a lot of weaponry. The device I think would be in place to protect an area of utmost importance would not be a war time device, but rather something to subdue huge groups of people. Either stop them in their tracks, or convince them to turn around. They can’t go starting a war with us, and they can’t just chop us down with all the world watching the entire rest of the world at all times; but they can persuade us to change our minds using other brute tactics.

Ah, so like some kind of ray or wave of some kind, subduing the masses? Yeah, that might work.

@Heavyarms55 Forgot to mention in the previous reply:
I agree with you on there probably not being aliens and/or alien tech in Area51. Well, maybe it is alien, but more like alien as in unknown to us, but entirely made and conceived on Earth. Anything new will sometimes look and feel entirely alien to us. Just think of all the weird military and commercial aircraft already known to us now.

But I'm not quite sure that Area51 isn't active anymore. Maybe they've gone underground, or maybe (probably) they've also expanded to other locations, but other than using it as a misinformation campaign, I can't think of many other reasons why that specific location is still so heavily guarded and also hidden/not viewable on Google Earth.

The Google Earth thing could indeed be part of a misinformation campaign, but not the heavy guarding, which also wouldn't really be very cost-effective or useful, manpower and material-wise, so I'm all but sure that there's at least still one active division of military scientists and/or engineers at work over there.

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bimmy-lee

@Tyranexx - “I got me an idear, I’m gonna cheat the system and use my lighter so I can see an extra half inch in front of me in this particle board and styrofoam maze.” Brilliant. I shouldn’t have given a timeframe on the HH I used to go to because I actually have no idea how long an average walk through would take. I was always there at peak hours, so it was the longest possible walk through. There was a claustrophobic maze in the basement that had to be crawled through, and I got stuck in line right in the middle of if for about 10 minutes one time. Almost freaked out. You’re right though, it’s the kind of experience where you have to let yourself have a good time, for yourself and everyone else around you.

@Heavyarms55 - I agree, I don’t think there’s anything there at this point, even if there was something there at one time. The only thing that gives me pause is the possibility that there’s something there which can’t be moved. Maybe something like a vortex, a subterranean oil lake that leads to Middle Earth, or a burrow where El Cadejo lives. The situation I was discussing with @ThanosReXXX was purely a hypothetical “if there was something of importance there, and if civilians decided to storm the place to expose that thing” scenario.

Edit: @ThanosReXXX - Whoops, missed your last reply, sorry. Yes, some kind of ray, or noise, or light that makes it impossible to proceed. Ha, you’re right, “meat shield” is probably now an insensitive term. When zombies go vegan, I’ll start calling it a “meat like substance shield”.

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Daniel36

In fairness, many military complexes (maybe even all, not sure) are hidden on Google Maps, simply by virtue of them being military complexes.

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ThanosReXXX

@bimmy-lee Or protein-mass shield... or tofu-shield... or animal-friendly shield... or human wall shield...

As for Area51: no one is going to make me believe that there's nothing there anymore. You don't invest time, energy and money in guarding a complex that isn't even operational or used anymore, even if it may nowadays only be a subsidiary/satellite location or even just a warehouse for the actual new black site.

@Daniel36 Locations that have nothing to hide, or are no longer operational have no need to be hidden from the public. There's plenty of those kinds of locations (former military bases, black sites, underground locations etc.) on Earth, and all are open to the general audience, or at least to researchers. But Area51 is obviously not.

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Heavyarms55

@ThanosReXXX I'll look into that, thanks!

And I didn't necessarily mean they've evolved beyond us like they're some kind of more advance creature biologically, just different. If evolutionary conditions on their world made auditory communication impractical, then creatures that evolved there might never develop speech based on sound and may communicate in some other way. Or technologically speaking perhaps having advanced beyond us is accurate though. For example long distance communication using quantum entanglement or perhaps gravity manipulation of some sort. Such things are not things we'd be able to detect easily, or even at all. Based on what little I know about quantum entanglement for example, is that even the scientists studying it are not yet certain what's going on.

@bimmy-lee That's an interesting idea, if there were something there that could not be moved. In that case though, if it really were that important I imagine that it would be so secure that nothing short of an atrocity level bloodbath would be able to get to it. And perhaps not even then.

Maybe it's the Raptor that Admiral Adama left behind after the colonists of the 12 Colonies of Kobol and the human-cylons settled this planet thousands of years ago, thus proving that all of this has happened before!

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ThanosReXXX

@Heavyarms55 Ah, okay. Interesting yet kind of damning at the same time, because that would even make it less likely that they would know what to do with those golden "communication discs" affixed to our space exploring probes.

Then again: we simple Earthlings also deciphered most of the ancient texts and scripts of civilizations pre-dating our own, so maybe there's still some hope left...

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Eel

Isn't area 51 where they keep and test new airship technologies? I'd say that's worth keeping secret.

Even on recent videos from YouTubers who visited to cash in on the meme you could sometimes see test flights in the background. So it's clearly still operational.

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