Topic: Should the Paper Mario series split into two seperate series?

@Haru17 After the masterpieces that were Super Mario Odyssey and Zelda: Breath of the Wild, I doubt Nintendo's lacking in the single player genre. Nintendos changed a lot since Sticker Star and Color Splash too, so much so that I bet they'd be willing to rework the series into something that fans actually want.

@Kiolu100 Open world games have bad singleplayer campaigns. Even Mario — a very good Mario — doesn't have much of a campaign, it's a disorganized collect-em-up. The only way Nintendo can prove that they're still capable of making good singleplayer games — good stories for RPGs — is to release one.

@Haru17 I see where you're coming from, but IMO and many other's, those games weren't disorganized at all. Plus most of the puzzle solving in those games were top notch.

Maybe I'm wrong, Nintendo isn't really focusing on RPGs on the Switch at this moment, except for Pokemon and Fire Emblem. That could mean they're just drifting away from releases like Paper Mario, though I honestly doubt they'd just trash the series like that, given how many fans want to see more games like TTYD.

Top notch puzzle solving was in Paper Mario 1-3 and 3D Zelda 1-4, now it's just challenge room nonsense. Moreover, Mario's puzzles were more like secrets than anything. Again, not what makes a campaign. You can say 'wow so gud' all day long, but unless you actually back up your argument with things like — I don't know, temples, Pixils, Hooktail's Castle — then it's all just so much favoritism.

@Haru17 Relics, shrines, Divine Beasts, Hyrule Castle, the Yiga Clan hideout, and to a lesser extent the Korok puzzles. There.

Twilight Princess was a great game, wrapped in slow slog of sidequests.

Wind Waker was an amazing game, but nearly half of it was sailing across that empty sea for hours.

You want more proof?

@Kiolu100 10 hour 'Zelda game' full of challenge room time-wasters. Nintendo can't make clever puzzles, progression, metrodvania, narratives, or singleplayer campaigns as a whole anymore. Your argument is pretty flawed if you're trying to hold up the divine beasts to temples in real 3D Zelda games. The evidence of an intentionally crafted and worthwhile singleplayer quest just isn't there.

@Haru17 I can't really even take you seriously when you can't spell "Metroid" correctly.
1. BotW takes MUCH longer to complete, if you actually take the intended story route.
2. Where did the term "Metroidvania" come from? Nintendo's Metroid series, plus Konami's Castlevania series. The most recent Metroid game, Samus Returns, should be all the proof I need. While being a remake of an old Gameboy game, the devs added in new abilities to make puzzle solving and the entire game as a whole much more enjoyable. Plus, they turned an okay Metroid on Gameboy into a much more modern single player driven Metroid game. That's pretty amazing.
3. Sure, the Divine Beasts aren't as good as the older temples, but how is BotW not a "real 3D Zelda game"? What requirements does it need to be a "real 3D Zelda game"? It's a Zelda game, it's in 3D, it's got dungeons, it's got many different items, it's got combat, what else does it need to have, in your opinion?
4. The storys there, a bunch of different locations are there, different puzzles are there, and much more is there to have it be considered a worthwhile single player experience. Plus, most of it is pretty quality, so I don't really see where you're coming from. It was awarded Game of the Year for a reason, y'know.

Can we just accept that our opinions are different, and none of it should instantly be taken as truth?

Consider that you never valued 3D Zelda games highly enough if you don't even miss them when they're gone and are apologizing for the western open world game taking their place.

@Haru17 I loved the old 3D Zelda games. You're blinded by nostalgia if you can't accept that they were very flawed games, even if they're amazing.