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damien33ad

So I've been playing TTYD for first time and it is my first Paper Mario game. It's honestly one of the best games I've played in years. It is hilarious in it's own Nintendo way and just a ton of fun walking around talking to everyone and battle is fun too. I've been killing time just leveling up and haven't seen it as a chore. I haven't the experience of the other PM games to speak from, like Color Splash etc. but I will definitely be playing them after this. I've heard many complaints though about the other paper Mario games(not about PM64 which will be my next one) and Origami King in particular as it seems to not be a new criticism of PM fans but rather a crescendo that was really a straw that broke the camel's back: the battle system and the experience points or leveling up. I cannot say much about the battle system of Origami King because idk if I'd like it or not but just watching it on treehouse is what made me decide against buying it. Still, I might borrow a copy after I finish the others. That leaves a major thing though:the experience points. I cannot fathom them not being included. If I wasn't able to level up in TTYD I'd flee every fight. But...this isn't a bash Origami King post. What I'm wondering is will we perhaps see a RETURN of some of the (fans interpretation of) traditional Paper Mario elements with next Installment? And I'm asking because TTYD is already at Chapter 3 in my top ten favorite games of all time and so I'm curious if anyone is hopeful for prospects or not? Because another thing I heard universally about Origami King for example is that it's writing was superb and hilarious. That means to me Intelligent Systems still has it. I'm hopeful for next Installment.

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kkslider5552000

That's the million dollar question. I assume we will...eventually. A lot of the Switch's titles seem to indicate that Nintendo can do a good job at listening to what people want out of their series and even after Color Splash failed miserably (largely by being a late Wii U game with mixed opinions) they kept the series going and got a game out less than 3 years later. I mean, most beloved older games get SOME sort of return to form eventually, and for that matter, a game directly inspired by the first 2 Paper Marios came out this year to good reviews.

From the outside it seems to me less like Origami King is bad as much as it does things that makes itself worse for no good reason that no one wants.

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Quick question regarding the lack of experience points in Origami King. What is there to be gained from battling other than maybe coins? Does it even make a difference?

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damien33ad

Yes exp points allow you to level up get more maximum health, flower points and badge points-the last two prolly are not in Origami King maybe they are. But it gives you a reason to battle. If enemies cannot be fought in an action format then I feel experience points are necessary. TTYD just seems like a perfected system that maybe only needed additions to it not a whole revising or scrapping

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Matt_Barber

I rather enjoyed Origami King. Sure, the combat system isn't that great outside the boss fights, but it's relatively easy to master so that you can win nearly every fight with a perfect score; the keys are to buy the upgraded items and to throw money at the crowd whenever you get a three move puzzle that you can't immediately see the solution to. Oh, and the upside to having no experience is that you don't need to grind for it, and can just avoid every fight except the ambushes and the ones needed for story progression.

While the combat system in TTYD did the job, I'd think that the main thing going for that game was the story and characters and Origami King is finally back towards that level, after a couple of rather bland entries in the shape of Sticker Star and Color Splash. Super Paper Mario had an even wilder story and more experimental game mechanics though, and that's my absolute favorite in the series. I can still see why it had to be a one-off though.

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damien33ad

I didn't even know there was a super Paper Mario. And I'm not really knocking Origami King as I've never played it I just don't get the lack of experience points that apparently we're thrown out long before it with Sticker Star and Color Splash. Wondering if we could ever see a return of them. I have heard Origami King is top notch writing. Which leads me to believe that the IS team is still capable of releasing TTYD level games. And if all that's holding them back are their decisions with exp points and battle system could we see them return? Most places gave OK 7 or 8 and I have heard it as those two being main reasons why. Can we see return?

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ToadBrigade

TTYD is just a brilliant game for so many reasons, and I have to hope that the devs realize that. We know that Nintendo has listened to fans at least a little bit before, like when they added Banjo-Kazooie into Smash. I think that if they are at all aware of what the fan base thinks, then they will try to make the best game possible based on that feedback. It may be a while yet, but we’ll get there eventually.

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damien33ad

@ToadBrigade that's what I'm hoping too. I've not had a single moment that I haven't thoroughly enjoyed the game

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ToadBrigade

@damien33ad you said that you’re on chapter 3, right? IIRC, that would be the Glitz Pit, which is my favorite in the game! It really showcases how brilliant the battle system is, and the mystery aspect of it is so good. I love how every area has its own plot and key characters that all fit into the overarching story, with Rogueport being the glue that holds it all together. It keeps each part fresh and exciting, and the game constantly manages to surprise you by going against expectations. I wish I could wipe my memory of this game and experience it for the first time. I guess I will just have to settle for a replay as soon as I am done with 3D All-Stars.

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damien33ad

@ToadBrigade ya it's just awesome. Every bit of it. I usually never talk to all NPCs in a game or try to collect every little item but every item is valuable and nearly every NPC has some benefit to talk to. Really can't say enough good about the game. What Paper Mario would recommend playing next?

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ToadBrigade

@damien33ad Honestly, TTYD is the only Paper Mario that I’ve played. I have never had easy access to an N64 (I was a GameCube kid) and Super passed me by. Beyond that, I have mostly trusted what other people have said about the newer ones. It’s not worth paying money to ruin my love of TTYD. What’s your favorite character that you have met so far?

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Ralizah

Having played Sticker Star, Origami King, and TTYD, I don't think the lack of xp is that big of a deal, honestly. Battles are still one of the best sources of income, and you use money to do a lot of stuff in TOK, so there's plenty of incentive to battle. Honestly, I ran away from more fights in the latter hours of TTYD than I did in TOK, because battles were largely mindless in TTYD, and they eventually furnish so few experience points per battle that battling itself becomes a tedious waste. TOK still has progression in the form of more powerful attacks, health upgrades, bad upgrades, and so on.

I guess what I'm saying is that, while TTYD is still my favorite game in the series (primarily because of the writing), I don't think it's as good as nostalgic Nintendo fans make it out to be, and TOK, at least, is WAY better than those same fans, mired in the past, would have you believe. Sticker Star is kind of a waste, unfortunately.

As to the subject of the thread: people associated with the PM series have made it pretty clear that they're going to continue to experiment with every entry, and this Switch one will likely sell better than the older games in the series, so there's no financial incentive to go back to the design fundamentals of the first two games. This series has been in full experimentation mode since Super Paper Mario, and that's not about to change, so if you can't accept that, I'd recommend playing Bug Fables and squinting at it until your eyes water and you can kind of delude yourself into thinking you're playing Paper Mario.

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I-U

I'm not too hopeful that Paper Mario will ever go back to the RPG experience it was back with 64 and The Thousand Year Door. The developers don't seem to want to go back to that route and would rather focus on having Paper Mario be an action, adventure series. The developers were not discouraged from going in TOK's direction after Color Splash bombed, and apparently TOK had a really great launch so financially I don't know if they would consider going back either.

Having played both games, I have beaten TTYD at least once back near its release and am currently close to beating TOK, I think I prefer TOK slightly more. I don't want the series to return to being an RPG series, but I do think there should be an active RPG series for Mario. I would like to see more Paper Mario games that continue from the standard set by TOK, and I'm not even sure that the developers will do that. I think the developers potentially disrupting core consistency from game to game is more of a concern than whether Paper Mario goes back to being a RPG or not.

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ToadBrigade

@I-U If Paper Mario never goes back to how it was, then yeah, they need to bring back Mario and Luigi or create a new RPG series altogether. Honestly, Bowser’s Inside Story is as good or better than The Thousand Year Door, so I think that would be a good “compromise”

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Raylax

It's always possible. We thought exploratory sandbox 3d mario was dead - linear, tightly-designed 3d mario was the way forward from Galaxy 2 onward (though Galaxy 1 was the first step in that direction). But then Odyssey happened, the sandboxiest sandbox 3D Mario to ever sandbox. Metroid Prime was a one-and-done trilogy that saw its creators move on to revitalising DKC and its series, uh, well let's not linger on that too much. But then Prime 4 was announced! And then rebooted. It's coming though. For deffos mate.

Right now Nintendo & Intelligent Systems are all about this particular style of Paper Mario, and they have been improving (separate to whether or not you personally enjoy them). But the next game? Who knows. Maybe a return to something closer to TTYD. Or maybe not.

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NintendoByNature

Haven't played TTYD but the origami king was absolutely amazing. I know people want it to return to form as they say, but i played the original and origami king, and id choose origami king 10 times out of 10. So as long as they keep up the good work im happy.

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damien33ad

Well I might consider Origami King at some point then when it goes on sale for when next console is released. I definitely don't want to write off any game in series because it's a whole new world to me and I've heard a lot of good about most of the games with cavaets for Origami King and people weren't happy with Sticker Star. I did just hear about Super Paper Mario too that looks pretty good

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NintendoByNature

@damien33ad Walmart always has physical copies for $10 off. Thats the best you'll probably get unless you wait a year or more and it might go on sale digitally for $42. Its well worth it.

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damien33ad

@NintendoByNature ya I'll consider it after TTYD and PM 64. I think I can look past the battle system was main reason cancelled my preorder. But I love TTYD so much I think I can hold my nose thru battling we will see. I'm little overwhelmed because there are so many PM games and I've never played any. But I won't write off any. Not even Sticker Star which people seem to really hate. I'm still gonna give it a try since TTYD is now in my top 5 games of all time I'm sure there is something id love about each entry.

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