The reason Iron Man 3 is bad movie is because how they messed up the Mandrian. If it wasn't for that, it would have been a good movie.
I want to agree with this so much just because I hate the twist. lol But I think over the years, I've kinda accepted that Shane Black had his own creative vision he wanted to tell, so I wouldn't call it a bad movie, but more of a movie that annoys me and fans who wanted the real Mandarin. I can see what Shane was going for with his Mandarin, the US focusing more on obvious external threats than the enemies within, but I just couldn't enjoy it because of my own biasness of not having seen RDJ going against his greatest foe of all time from the comics. That's all it is.
@Maxenmus Let's be honest the only reason the did what they did to the Mandarin was so they didn't offend people, which I can understand. However if that's going to be a problem then it might be a good idea just not to do that character.
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@Tasuki I mean, it's a tough balancing act though, whether to appease the fans or go through with Shane Black's ambitious ideas. I do think that using an established IP that has a lot of fan expectations behind it to do their little indie film experiment might not have been the best decision. I applaud Marvel for trying to do something new with the superhero genre... but it's Iron Man 3, man. They shouldn't have messed with the end of the trilogy with an art project experiment. People didn't pay to see a subversive take on superhero films or a subversive take on terrorism; they paid to see Iron Man. It's like doing a silent mime art show at a monster truck rally. It's out of place, pretentious, and ridiculous.
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It's not like The Holy Mountain or Enter The Void - it mainly has elements of oddness scattered through the programme.
If you see it as a programme of its time, then you can see how people thought it a headfuck - it was really different to other stuff that was shown. As it's such an influential series, I think its strangeness has become more mainstream. But the surrealism is only in fits and starts, and only really takes over in the final episode of series 2.
The third series is very very strange, so that could be said to be trippy throughout.
but it's Iron Man 3, man. They shouldn't have messed with the end of the trilogy with an art project experiment. People didn't pay to see a subversive take on superhero films or a subversive take on terrorism; they paid to see Iron Man. It's like doing a silent mime art show at a monster truck rally. It's out of place, pretentious, and ridiculous.
I see your point, it does seem a little out of place with where it stands in the trilogy.
I'd also like to say the MCU really likes to hire "indie directors" to direct their movies, mainly because "indie directors" are cheap and will listen to studio creative orders. "A director" (like Steven Spielberg or Edgar Wright) someone who has more of a creative vision and experience is more likely to want to follow their own vision. As of recently a lot of the directors at (Disney) Marvel are "indie", I guess they don't want a Iron Man 3 to happen again.
@Kermit1 It's actually the opposite, Marvel hires indie directors for their ideas. Scott Derrickson was hired as he had the idea of the loop end fight, Joss Whedon envisioned the third act being a war film which won the pitch, Taika Waititi was hired to make Thor funny, Chloe Zhao wanted to focus on visual richness and world building etc.
It's also Marvel, they aren't hurting for cash and just managed to bring the very expensive and established Sam Raimi into directing again.
@jump I need to triple check stuff before I say them.
It's fine. It's hard to remember to triple-check everything you say online sometimes. We're not here to debate each other on hard facts; we're here to have a casual conversation and chill.
but it's Iron Man 3, man. They shouldn't have messed with the end of the trilogy with an art project experiment. People didn't pay to see a subversive take on superhero films or a subversive take on terrorism; they paid to see Iron Man. It's like doing a silent mime art show at a monster truck rally. It's out of place, pretentious, and ridiculous.
I see your point, it does seem a little out of place with where it stands in the trilogy.
I'd also like to say the MCU really likes to hire "indie directors" to direct their movies, mainly because "indie directors" are cheap and will listen to studio creative orders. "A director" (like Steven Spielberg or Edgar Wright) someone who has more of a creative vision and experience is more likely to want to follow their own vision. As of recently a lot of the directors at (Disney) Marvel are "indie", I guess they don't want a Iron Man 3 to happen again.
See, even though you got this wrong, this did happen more in the earlier phases of the MCU. I think Edgar Wright was one of the more egregious decisions they made. I thought Ant-Man felt like an uninspired and generic heist film, but I don't know if getting Wright to stay would've made the film more entertaining for me. Guess we'll never know.
I do think that hiring Chloe Zhao was the right ambitious move Marvel made in trusting a director's vision, so at the very least, Marvel is continuing to be experimental even at the top of their game. When Phase 4 happened, and everyone was complaining about how boring WandaVision was, I applauded their take on Wanda because it felt like a fresh new take on superheroes we've rarely seen before. Plus, it really helped that it felt spiritually faithful to the comics, particularly House of M, so I think Marvel, for the most part, achieved a decent balance between experimenting and appeasing the comic book fans in WandaVision... at least until the dumb last episode with Ralph Bohner and disappointing millions of X-Men fans everywhere. Oh well. But I thought the last episode aside, it was a good sign that Marvel was at least trying to explore unconventional stories we'd rarely see in superhero shows. And of course, as I've repetitively said, I loved Eternals when everyone hated it because of this reason.
at least until the dumb last episode with Ralph Bohner and disappointing millions of X-Men fans everywhere.
The theory's people made for that show I think helped with viewership and hurt the show in the end (hear me out). When people started making theories for who was the (my memory is a little foggy) special help and the main guess was Reed Richards and we ended up getting a "normal person". Then when (Ralph Bohner) showed up and people went wild with ideas and theory's.
Wandavision is a 7/10 from me, liked the show but the rabid theorizing killed it for me.
Though for superhero films the first Christopher Reeves Superman is my still favorite superhero film ever, and nothing can really top it for me.
at least until the dumb last episode with Ralph Bohner and disappointing millions of X-Men fans everywhere.
The theory's people made for that show I think helped with viewership and hurt the show in the end (hear me out). When people started making theories for who was the (my memory is a little foggy) special help and the main guess was Reed Richards and we ended up getting a "normal person". Then when (Ralph Bohner) showed up and people went wild with ideas and theory's.
Wandavision is a 7/10 from me, liked the show but the rabid theorizing killed it for me.
Here's an idea: don't tease people with something if you don't intend to live up to people's expectations. If Pietro didn't appear at all, or better yet, wasn't recast with the SAME X-Men actor from the Fox movies at all... maybe people wouldn't have made those insane connections? Marvel knew what they were doing when they hired Evan Peters, so they only have themselves to blame.
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@Kermit1 I was too naïve to think that Marvel would have the X-Men that early in the MCU. But I don't think people were wrong to theorize though. You might not be a fan of the X-Men or comic books at all, but I think the emotional response of people theorizing at the time was perfectly reasonable. It's like dropping Hayden Christensen wearing a Jedi robe in an MCU film and not expect Star Wars fans to go nuts. You can't expect people to suppress their emotions like robots; people don't work like that.
I know fandom can be toxic, but as a fan of many things, I think it's reasonable to get passionate about something and get a little too enthusiastic sometimes. Without passion, we might as well be robots typing out logical inconsistencies of every show. That's boring.
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I've given up with all "Movie" related YouTube channels breaking down every frame of trailers to have some credibility.
I don't like people obsessing over celebrities, guessing who they'll play in a movie and their personal life. They are normal people with more money than you so what.
I could just be rambling now, I'll stop before I get a post deleted........ Thank you so so much again mods for deleting my George RR Martin post, I'm being legit honest thank you, I was not in a good head space when I wrote that and I didn't think before I hit post.
I've given up with all "Movie" related YouTube channels breaking down every frame of trailers to have some credibility.
I mean, movie trailers are essentially advertisements for products, which we pay our hard-earned money for, so I can't really blame them that much for picking those apart. I don't want to spend my money recklessly.
What I don't like, however, is those movie-related channels that break down every frame of actual movies to have some credibility. It's one thing to be annoyed by a commercial, because that's the fault of the marketing department, but I think nitpicking a film apart based on every frame of it isn't really doing films justice. Films are meant to be enjoyed as a running film from start to finish, not be paused upon and have every single frame scrutinized. Most filmmakers didn't intend for their films to be enjoyed that way. I know CinemaSins is supposed to be a parody and not taken seriously, but I find that channel annoying because of how nitpicky it is. I get that that's the joke, but I'm not laughing. I'm glad CinemaWins exists. It's like the opposite of CinemaSins and celebrates poorly rated films with a positive spin.
I don't like people obsessing over celebrities, guessing who they'll play in a movie and their personal life. They are normal people with more money than you so what.
People get bored. It's the modern equivalent of bored housewives gossiping about their neighbors. I don't like celebrity worship either. I've met some rude celebrities myself, including Samuel L. Jackson.
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The reason Iron Man 3 is bad movie is because how they messed up the Mandrian. If it wasn't for that, it would have been a good movie.
This is gonna piss some people off, but I actually was ok with the Mandarin in Iron Man 3. Of course I would've preferred if he didn't turn out the way he did, but he's not THAT bad, or at least bad enough to ruin an otherwise great movie.
@Maxenmus I've never met a celebrity... I just know people who have.
You could say Frankie Macdonald is the only "celebrity" I've met/seen but he's local.
My Mom had a college professor who was roommates once with Steve Martin. My Dad has gone to quite a few live shows and my Dad saw Billy Preston when he was at college which to you might not be a big deal but to me a huge Beatles fan, I know someone who has worked with The Beatles.
The reason Iron Man 3 is bad movie is because how they messed up the Mandrian. If it wasn't for that, it would have been a good movie.
This is gonna piss some people off, but I actually was ok with the Mandarin in Iron Man 3. Of course I would've preferred if he didn't turn out the way he did, but he's not THAT bad, or at least bad enough to ruin an otherwise great movie.
It most probably will piss some people off, myself excluded. But I think it's not really about who's in the right when it comes to opinions about movies, certainly not when it comes to movies based on something people love. I mean, I enjoyed the Pokémon anime and didn't think it's that bad, even if most Pokémon fans would disagree with me and call Ash a trash trainer. Same thing.
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