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gcunit

@Dezzy: It's understandable, to an extent, given Nintendo's usual pricing structure.

Release at an ambitious price, can always knock them down in a sale etc. The risk is that everyone loses interest in the meantime.

If they were £3 each I'd probably double dip on a couple, but as they're not it looks like I'll have to tolerate them on my Wii U instead (unless they let me transfer them).

The ones I haven't got yet, I'll have to have a think about as and when they're released.

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Dankykong wrote:

[...] Lol the 3DS sounds like it has split personality with 2 CPUs doing 2 different things. This is the 3D processors doing the main thing, then this is my other self, the DSi processor doing all the other stuff.
So it basically sounds like the 3DS has a small design flaw that doesn't allow it to play anything without difficulty, but in theory a few tweaks to either how Nintendo puts out VC games, or just the next iteration of a handheld (or whatever) should solve the problem. [...]

The DS did the same thing and so did the GBA except for the micro. It's not a design flaw it was a feature that was used to get the GBA games running quickly for the Ambassadors. But it's not upto the standard that Nintendo would want for them to charge people for it. I suspect it's the same reason you can't buy DS games on the eShop even though technically they could do it.

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Dezzy

gcunit wrote:

@Dezzy: It's understandable, to an extent, given Nintendo's usual pricing structure.

Release at an ambitious price, can always knock them down in a sale etc. The risk is that everyone loses interest in the meantime.

If they were £3 each I'd probably double dip on a couple, but as they're not it looks like I'll have to tolerate them on my Wii U instead (unless they let me transfer them).

The ones I haven't got yet, I'll have to have a think about as and when they're released.

They almost never have sales on virtual console stuff though.

I don't think it's understandable at all. These are incredibly old games. They should be £5 max (they're £7 and £8 in the UK)

So we got Super Mario World and Earthbound in Europe. If they'd been half the price, I'd probably have bought both of them. As it is, I bought neither.

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@Dezzy: It's the exact reason I won't buy them. I will kick myself if we get that half price sale or something different down the line. I'm not paying 8$ For something I played and beat 20 plus years ago. I was going to buy one but changed my mind. Now if some of those Capcom/Konami games come this way I might not be able to resist. Castlevaina IV needs to be in my 3ds!

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@Dezzy: No. Go to the shops or look online for prices of the original carts and then we'll talk.

Could they be cheaper? Sure, that would be nice. But they're priced fairly enough.

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Wow you guys won't believe this, Reggie just walked in (he didn't even knock!) and took a poop on my 3DS XL and then FORCED ME TO BUY the N3DS. I can't believe Nintendo would treat us like this!!!1!

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foodmetaphors wrote:

Wow you guys won't believe this, Reggie just walked in (he didn't even knock!) and took a poop on my 3DS XL and then FORCED ME TO BUY the N3DS. I can't believe Nintendo would treat us like this!!!1!

.......What?

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Don

foodmetaphors wrote:

Wow you guys won't believe this, Reggie just walked in (he didn't even knock!) and took a poop on my 3DS XL and then FORCED ME TO BUY the N3DS. I can't believe Nintendo would treat us like this!!!1!

Relax Reggie will buy you a new one, he's got the money and he doesn't need it.

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JaxonH

Every week for the last year we have complained about 3DS VC being dead. Now we're getting all the best SNES games- this is a good thing. Complaining about a 3DS VC revival seems illogical to me. Let me address some of these complaints and give my thoughts on the matter.

CROSS-BUY
-No 3DS VC game to date has had cross-buy. Why would people think it would magically start now with SNES? Did NES have cross-buy? No? So why would SNES? There is definitely an argument that can be made against paying twice, sure, but that's a separate issue altogether. Everyone knew from day one 3DS didn't have this feature. It's not like it was advertised and then Nintendo backed out. They've made it abundantly clear they are considering these kinds of options, but that it would definitely not be until next gen. Everyone knows this.

NEW 3DS EXCLUSIVITY
-3DS has been out 5 years. Look at all the VC platforms Wii has. Look at all the VC platforms Wii U has (and in just 3 years). Every new VC platform is more profit. If 3DS could capably run SNES to the immaculate standards expected from an official Nintendo-approved release, they would have done it already, just like they did for every other system with VC. It's one thing to run an emulator and get games to run in a playable form, it's another to sell games that look and run flawlessly.

DISCOUNT FOR WII U OWNERS
-This argument actually does have some merit. Just as a discount was offered for Wii U owners who owned the games on Wii and transfered, a discount here would have gone a long ways. With that said, it's no different than the cross-buy issue. No 3DS VC game to date has been sold at a discount to Wii U owners with the game, so why would people think it would suddenly start now?

The "games should be on normal 3DS" argument is just a false assumption out of wanton desire. If they could run flawlessly on 3DS, they'd be on 3DS already. But the "cross-buy/discount" arguments do have their place. The thing is, despite those arguments having merit, there is no merit for expectations that it would somehow, suddenly happen now with SNES VC releases. If people want to get upset about the cross buy issue, we can do that- in fact I believe there's a forum here solely dedicated to complaining about it- but did anyone HONESTLY expect they would announce their first ever large-scale cross buy system alongside a few arbitrary SNES VC releases, now, at the end of the generation? Besides, every single person here who owns a 3DS knew before they bought it that Nintendo did not offer cross-buy, so while it's certainly ok to advocate for it, it seems silly to get in an uproar over the system not having it.

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Thought it would be good to point you to some of my thoughts on the matter above and perhaps share some logical perspective to consider.

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NinChocolate

I've read and heard the line "but these are old games" so many times now over the years. Like, so many times. It's just not an argument with Nintendo. That line is never, ever, ever going to resonate with Nintendo. It's a bad line at this point.

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@JaxonH: My problem with the oh It's a quality thing with Nintendo is the following. I have several NES games on the Wii U VC and they all have some kind of problem. Sound, graphics, lag etc. It's not my hookups or tv or anything of that nature. So I find it hard to believe that it's a quality issue like so many think. Also is there any reason besides one game right now for current owners to upgrade to the N3DS. Not really that is until the SNES games arrive.

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Don

I have no choice but to accept and respect the lack of cross buy option, Iwata would have wanted that way.

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Dezzy

NinChocolate wrote:

I've read and heard the line "but these are old games" so many times now over the years. Like, so many times. It's just not an argument with Nintendo. That line is never, ever, ever going to resonate with Nintendo. It's a bad line at this point.

"It's just not an argument with Nintendo". So why aren't they charging near to full price or full price (retail) for them?
Please explain that without referencing age or accessibilty through other platforms. You won't be able to. Those ARE the reasons it's this price in the first place rather than $50 or whatever. People are just saying they should've taken it a little bit further.
And it'll resonate at optimum frequency if no-one buys them!

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LzWinky

Don wrote:

I have no choice but to accept and respect the lack of cross buy option, Iwata would have wanted that way.

I can certainly see why people are upset, but I don't get why anyone expected it to happen. I think the earliest we will see it is with the NX...well once we know what the NX is

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Some of the games on the Japanese release list had special chips, such as Megaman X2 and X3. These games use a lot of processing power and don't think the O3DS would be able to handle them without severe slowdowns.

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Dezzy

Dankykong wrote:

Dezzy wrote:

Anyone else thinking these are somewhat hideously priced for 20 year old games?

Still comes down to the fact that the original carts are probably 2-10 times as much in price as this and come with age and issues.

No it doesn't. They're available on 2 other platforms officially and many further platforms unofficially.

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Discostew

Nintendo is using software-rendering for their SNES emulator, which is the only way to accurately represent SNES frames on the 3DS. o3DS simply does not have the processing power to emulate all the various subsystems of the SNES (CPU, PPU, APU, etc). blargSNES, the only SNES emulator on the o3DS capable of achieving 60fps, is not only inaccurate with regard to CPU execution and timing with the SPC core, but is also using the GPU to render each and every map tile and sprite (split into 8x8 pixel graphic cels, because that's how the SNES works) as a pair of polygons, which is not only inaccurate due to missing features like palette texture support for palettes changes that can happen per scanline, but can also be heavy on the GPU also because of scanline changes (which can force going from 2 polygons for an 8x8 pixel map tile to 16 polygons over a stretch of 8 scanlines).

There is no 2D accessible hardware in 3DS mode, something that even DS mode had, which had an improved version of the GBA's 2D hardware. It was similar enough (but again, missing features) that it was used for the old SNES emulator on the DS to offload almost the entire PPU partition. Emulation of the SNES PPU via software-rendering is far more process-intensive than emulation of even the SNES CPU itself.

Nintendo is selling their VC, so accuracy/stability is top priority, something only the n3DS could offer among the 3DS line.

Off-topic, but the GBA Ambassador games on the 3DS are not emulated, hence why they lack the typical emulation features, and drain the battery so little by comparison to actual emulated games. They are using a kind of GBA-mode that is similar to the DS mode, but is set for running GBA games, rebooting the system to run on a separate firmware, and using the 2D hardware that is present in DS mode as well.

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LzWinky

All this tech talk. Just buy a new 3DS and be happy with it

@Tasuki: The three biggest reasons right now to own a new 3DS are the following:

1. Improved games including Smash and Hyrule Warriors Legends
2. Improved 3D if you use it
3. SNES VC

If you don't find these appealing, then you should probably wait.

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NinChocolate

Dezzy wrote:

NinChocolate wrote:

I've read and heard the line "but these are old games" so many times now over the years. Like, so many times. It's just not an argument with Nintendo. That line is never, ever, ever going to resonate with Nintendo. It's a bad line at this point.

"It's just not an argument with Nintendo". So why aren't they charging near to full price or full price (retail) for them?
Please explain that without referencing age or accessibilty through other platforms. You won't be able to. Those ARE the reasons it's this price in the first place rather than $50 or whatever. People are just saying they should've taken it a little bit further.
And it'll resonate at optimum frequency if no-one buys them!

If you believe that reminding Nintendo that an NES game is an NES game and that it will affect enlightenment and cause them to slide the line down, by all means send the message that $5 = $1 in the reality the rest of the world outside Kyoto lives in. Seriously, I'm not against it and I'll happily pay less should that happen. But for 2 generations now, an NES game is worth $5 to Nintendo. When/if Diminishing returns change that pricing in a future generation, I don't think the comments about the age of the game will be a factor in the discussion at Nintendo's offices when they look at how to keep selling old games.

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