Phil Spencer "Not Sure" About Game Pass On Switch, But Says Xbox Could Be Open To Discussions

Just give us Rare Replay please. 🙏

If you have a service that's offering videogames and you ignore the only two platforms that are very well known by all gamers in the videogaming industry then yeah good luck Microsoft. When we think of videogames we don't think of PC and phones ya know, we think of Nintendo and PlayStation first.

@Ventilator Lol Tales of Vesperia works just fine on Switch btw.

@Retro_Player_77 Thats not emulated, but a port. lol

@Ventilator Tbh I'd buy it even if they removed the Xbox 360 games. They'd be fun to try but I'd want it largely for the N64 games so even a new N64 collection (maybe with Killer Instinct SNES added too) would be most welcome.

I wonder if Nintendo actually want such a service on the Switch? Even if they got 30% of the subscription cost (which I doubt as it’s cross play across everything), they’d be taking interest away from the other full priced games on the Switch.

Also, it’s not like you can stream games outside of your WiFi coverage, so the portability factor isn’t possible. I think it’s a case of trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

@Retro_Player_77 Nintendo and Sony will not allow Microsoft to get a chunk of their game market. According to rumours, both already refused Game Pass.

@MrGawain It's possible to stream portable on Switch. Just use phone as hotspot.

@Ventilator @MrGawain Yeah I just looked at the Game Pass list and so many Switch games are on it (including popular titles like Overcooked 2) so not sure that could work.

@Clyde_Radcliffe On top of it, many day 1 released games on Switch costs nothing for people with Game Pass.
It sure will hurt game sales on Switch.
Why would anyone pay 40$ for a Indie when you can get 3 months of Game Pass including that game and a lot of others?

I paid for Game Pass Ultimate permanently since the start as i can play all the games natively on my Xbox One X and PC.
Option for streaming were added years later.

Edit:
Some weirdness. Game sales actually increased on Xbox One thanks to Game Pass. Obviously a alot of people only uses Game Pass just to demo full version of games.

HOLY SH*T it could happen, it could really happen I don't think it ever will but it could happen, conker, banjo, battletoads, It could all be there at my Fing finger tips!!!! on my Handheld divice!

All I want is the Banjo Remakes, please

@Ventilator I've often bought Gamepass games if I've really enjoyed them and thought I'd want to play them after they leave the service and its a great way to try games I wouldn't normally buy.

Its also the main reason I'm getting Series X at launch over PS5 as it makes it considerably cheaper not having to spend so much on games.

I don't see it ever coming to other consoles though

I only need perfect dark and conker ☺️

@Clyde_Radcliffe strictly speaking there's only 4 N64 games on the collection as it uses the 360 versions of the Banjo games and Perfect Dark. I'd say its well worth picking up a cheap Xbox One these days for this and quite a few other retro ganes that aren't available elsewhere these days

@carlos82 I was considering doing this actually. There's so much good stuff on their online shop. Torn between it and getting some kind of gaming PC to hook up to my TV (with Steam and RetroArch) because I really want to play Shenmue 3 too and it's not on Xbox despite it getting 1 and 2. >_< And I could get even more retro games on that.

You can't put Gamepass on someone else's closed system lol. It's a bit like Jean de Flourette! I doubt Microsoft would want another game subscription service on their console either. Weird it's even up for discussion. PCs and phones aren't the same eco system as another console. But I do hope they carry on bringing games to Switch (even if it is more traditional instead of a stream of free money every month)

@Retro_Player_77
I don't know what rock you've been living under to not associate PCs with modern gaming. Phones I understand, but PC gaming has been in a pretty good place for the past few years, and THE primary place for certain things like eSports.

Regardless, as much as I'd love gamepass on Switch, and as much as I love how Microsoft has been seemingly friendly with Nintendo lately, concidering how tight knit eco systems for consoles are, id be suprised if gamepass got on Switch or PlayStation. Would be a lovely suprise, for sure.

I have a feeling Nintendo wouldn't license Gamepass for Switch, as it would be very hard for Nintendo to make money from it...Just port Halo 1-3 instead and mb a couple of Forza-games.

@Retro_Player_77 wrong. when I think of gaming is PC. It's still the master since you get full freedom. Consoles are limited. Xbox is also a console that gets my attention. You just like Sony and Nintendo and that's it. But a true gamer loves each hardware

@Ventilator “switch is too weak for xbox 360 games.”

That comment is laughable when something such as doom is running fine on switch. 3,5 years in and your comment has been proven wrong for 3,5 years now.

Time and effort is all it needs. And rare replay would sell like hot cakes on switch. So I’d say time and effort well spent in advance.

Oh would microsoft just shut up and stop teasing everyone!? Either put your damn games on switch or don't. So tired of these rumors!

@carlos82 I also bought some outside Game Pass myself.
With game prices increasing to 70-80$, it makes Game Pass more valuable than ever.

My Xbox Series X is actually my current gaming PC.

BTW: The old Xbox One also gets streaming later, so they can play Xbox Series X games without buying the console.

@Friendly We are talking emulation here which have way more system requirements than a native game. Switch isn't even a power house which makes it even harder for emulating last gen.

Xbox One were almost too weak to run Xbox 360 games and they struggled hard for a year to make it work, so how can the way weaker Switch being able to emulate 360 then?

Xbox One is almost 3 times as powerful as Switch. Just saying. If Xbox One struggles with 360, forget Switch.

Would it be possible to ban Ventilator and retro player 77?
Both are saying some of the dumbest things. At least don't listen to them.
Switch is too weak for xbox 360 games?
When people think of video games, they don't think of pc and phones?
And people don't think of Microsoft?
My god.

lmao the Xbox shiller flooding the comments section.

@Ventilator I'm sorry, is this an out of season April Fool's Joke?

I think that XCloud on Switch is very possible if Nintendo is willing to cooperate.

I'd pay good money to play Banjo-Tooie and Nuts & Bolts on Switch.

@Ventilator I get what you're saying, but it's not at all clear in your first comment that you're talking about emulation. Might want to edit that.

Xcloud on Switch would be a goldmine for Nintendo in terms of shifting tons more Switch consoles. I would love it as it would mean I'd give some love to Xbox games and cross plat games because sometimes Switch is just the most convenient and comfortable way for me to play.

@Dr_Corndog True, but looking at a few people her earlier some actually think it's possible to emulate PS3 and 360 games on Switch because Switch can run Doom Eternal...Just saying.
Some here have no idea of the the system requirements of emulation vs running a game natively.

@HotGoomba Ditto. Look up emulation requirements. Then you will swallow your own comment.

@Ventilator I thought you were talking about Xbox 360 games in general, not emulating them. And technically, because the Switch is closer to the hardware, it might, MIGHT work well on there.

@Ventilator
So is the game pass like a bunch of demos to play the game or is the full games also how much is it for a year thanks in advance

Ported games from PS3 and 360 games will most likely run at 1080p on Switch.
The Xbox 360 games in Rare Replay is all emulated instead btw. Selected 360 games runs natively in 4K/60 only on Xbox One X.
Xbox One 2013 barely had the power to emulate the 360 games. MS struggled for a long time to make it run at playable speed with hacks and tricks.
When it comes to PC and 360 system requirements is quite high, and far beyond Tegra X1.

Switch can even barely run GameCube at 30 fps as they had to emulate PowerPC.
Xbox 360 is more powerful and uses a even faster PPC than GameCube.
Not even 2000$ phones with more power than Switch can emulate Xbox 360 games even close to playable speed.

@EngineerMario Game Pass only have full versions of paid games. There is no demoes there at all.
Because of the amount of games there, there is still people testing out games there just to see if they are worth purchasing.
100% of all Xbox One games is added there on day 1 of release at no extra cost at all.

As for Game Pass Ultimate pricing you need to change to local region here to see the local price.
https://www.xbox.com/nb-NO/xbox-game-pass#join

Only Ultimate includes streaming, but also includes all games for PC, and Xbox Live.
10th November, over 90% of all EA games will be added to Ultimate at no extra cost too. Full versions of Battlefield 5, Titanfall 2 +++.
Xbox Live with Gold gives you 4 games outside Game Pass every month too.
Also. You get free DLC for several games every month too.

Note: Ultimate which have everything only costs 2-3 extra bucks a month, making the standard sub irrevelant.

@Ventilator Sorry, that's just straight-up false, it's superior in every aspect:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCfR54Wq4x8

@JRRR92 when talking about the 360 games @Ventilator is talking about them being emulated on Xbox One as it doesn't play them natively. So the Switch wouldn't be able to run those games and I seriously doubt Microsoft would go to the trouble of remaking them all for Switch hardware

Xcloud was awful on my phone. I can't imagine it gets any better with the wifi handicapped Switch.

@carlos82 Well said. Have a nice day.

@NotoriousWhiz Game Pass streaming works just fine on a 10" Android tablet.
Should be equally good on Switch as Tegra X1 natively supports streaming.

Original Tegra X1 from year 2015 supported 4K/60 stream, but this were probably gimped on Switch.
If so, it should still be as good as it gets in 1080p on Switch.

@ArcticFox Thats not the point. This have nothing about console comparisons to do.

The point is that Switch have far from the power to emulate a PS3 and 360. Natively running same games is a totally different thing. Switch is better than Last gen there.

Don't claim Switch have same power as a PS4 and Xbox One. Noone will believe that statement anyway.

I don't want to see Game Pass on Switch.
Gimme more physical Switch Games instead!

Phil Spencer would probably only put Xcloud/Game Pass on a Switch Pro model that has better chips and screen capable of displaying Xbox games properly. This could be a genius move for Nintendo, giving proper differentiation to Switch as their prestige XSX/PS5 rival, while not eating into their very lucrative sales of Switch regular/light. And it would sell well to the army of people who want to use their xbox/pc/android Game Pass on the go in the best portable format. Everyone wins. That would be a very Phil move that also pleases Nintendo as they do enjoy the prestige of being leading edge which attracts top developers keen to see their work shown at its best.

When will these journo's ask the REAL questions like : will we ever get to see Banjo Kazooie/Tooie and Perfect Dark on Switch?(along with other Rare classics)

@Lionyone Switch Pro is not needed at all for streaming Xbox games. Tegra X1 in a Switch have dedicated hardware for streaming.
Streaming is streaming, so you can easily stream Xbox Series X on Switch too.

NVIDIA Shield TV streams PC games with Ray Tracing. Switch uses same GPU.
Even cheap Chinese Android TV boxes can stream Xbox games.

Switch 2017 hardware is way above the requirement for 1080p streaming.
Even TV's nowadays can stream PC games with Ray Tracing.

Game Pass on Playstation: Not a flaming chance in H......a flaming place...

Not unless somehow it works to Sony's advantage in terms of hosting costs of PSN since they do pay MS for that now....

Game Pass on Switch? That's an interesting one. On the surface, no, it would eat into a lot of higher priced sales on Switch, less so for indies, and more so for those full price ports of older games.

On the other hand the schtick of full price ports for older games for mobile hardware from third party publishers isn't going to last forever once the various streaming services get a foothold on Android/iOS, and that's going to put a damper on Nintendo's parade. Streaming is also going to eat into demand for hybrid portable hardware in general, and such hardware is never going to be able to run "current" big games, while everyone's mobile phone will be able to via mainstream streaming services. This is going to be a tough spot for Nintendo, and could interfere with the continuation of Switch as an interative console series.

I can see Nintendo either having to go a new route with a new "gimmick" console at some point as a result and leaving the hybrid behind. Or I can see them maybe forging some kind of workable deal with Game Pass (or a Game Pass competitor) - just for the streaming service, not the local games service, to bring access to newer "big console games" on their less powerful hardware. It might be the only viable path for them if they want to continue the "generation behind hybrid hardware" console.

And before anyone scoffs, remember they've experimented with that with Switch already, partnering both with Capcom's streaming service for RE7 in Japan, and with Ubisoft's own attempt at a service for AC: Odyssey in Japan. So Nintendo is open to hosting streaming services on Switch to expand it's catalogue to "current gen" games. Nintendo has a good relationship with MS. But I think they'd have to strike a special deal of some sort, and now isn't the right time for it.

But honestly given my choice between buying old games that run mediocre on Switch, playing old games and/or current games on an android device docked into a weird clamp on a controller on a phone I need for other things, or buying Nintendo's made-for-the-job hardware and being able to stream modern games on it? Nintendo's hardware wins that day.

I think it's viable. And could become essential for Switch in the future. And Nintendo has demonstrated interest in the idea already with major games. The bigger question will be who would offer them the best deal that fits their sales strategies best, MS, or another streaming vendor?

Nintendo would throw a fit. It basically eliminates the need to buy games

@Ventilator Cloud Streaming portion of Gamepass is what could happen as there are already cloud games on the Switch and that is only a boon for Nintendo. There is one issue though no triggers on the joycon so that itself is a hurdle for handheld.

@Arkay I know, right? It's like people who interviewed Nintendo about Mario 3D All-Stars but didn't ask them why they didn't include Galaxy 2. Game journalists rarely ask useful questions anymore.

If they could get a Forza Horizon game to run on the Switch, that would be amazing. Probably not possible, though.

@Clyde_Radcliffe it's always the same questions, never the ones that people actually want to hear.(Game pass on Switch would be cool but come on, how many more times will they repeat this question?)

@Retro_Player_77 no I think of pc first then everything else second unless it's an exclusive

Maybe a lite game pass for lucky, minecraft + dungeons, sea of thieves, some racer etc. At half price???

@MrGawain it wouldn’t be a good thing for developers....

@Jokerwolf Xbox Cloud streaming is no problem for Switch.
Switch GPU were designed for that already before year 2015.

Games on Game Pass would still sell on Switch like they do on Xbox One. Many people still buy games to support developers more, wanting to own it, owning it physical etc.

Physical is a bigger thing on Switch than PS/Xbox nowadays due to storage limit on Switch to a degree. You can just swap SD cards anyway for "unlimited" space on Switch.

What do you mean by no triggers on Joy Cons?

@NEStalgia I think that Nintendo should do more with its own streaming services, may not so much with its own catalog, but maybe more like Apple Arcade. Get behind some indie devs, charge $5-$10 more but get more, even if it’s just two games a month.

But how cool would it have been if we got Kirby Fighters as a subscription bonus? Or if Nintendo released more mini games?

@Ventilator Joy-Con only have digital triggers which means they would have to emulate holding down a trigger which will cause issues in many games.

@Retro_Player_77 I agree!!

@Ventilator
1) I didn't say anything about Xbox One.
2) Yeah, it probably can't emulate, but ports would be relatively simple.

@electrolite77 anyone with gamepass has little to no incentive to buy any of the games on gamepass. Microsoft pay the companies to promote their own brand, so why would Nintendo have a huge ad for microsoft and have the companies involved only get paid for xbox offsets. Microsoft would start having to pay them for their offset in sales on Switch. Then Nintendo wouldn't get any of the publishing credits of games sold on the store so they'd have to pay them too.

It's just very expensive to have to satisfy both the owner of the platform and the publishers of the games at the same time.

".....needs the full support of the Xbox ecosystem".

Sit and calm down; you didn't invent a rainforest. 🙄

If Game Pass comes to Switch then goodbye eShop & all third party developers.

@doctorhino MS's sales data shows that Game Pass subscribers purchase more, not less games. A lot of that comes down to the fact that Game Pass is a RENTAL SUBSCRIPTION like Blockbuster, Red Box, and the local video store used to be in the 90's only better because it's a buffet style rental - but the games rotate out, so if you liked what you played before it rotates out, you just might buy it. They sweeten the pot with all first party games being permanently in the catalog, but third party is a time limited rotation, just like the video rental stores used to be.

GP doesn't replace buying, it replaces renting. Which is good, because the last rental service washed out when Redbox pulled video games. If Game Pass obsoletes anyone it's Gamefly, if they're still around. It's a better, continuous Gamefly, not a better GameStop/GAME.

So in the theoretical situation where you can play xCloud (or XBox Cloud with Game Pass or whatever they're calling it now) on Switch, that means you would get a continuous paid rental service with an ever rotating library of games Switch likely couldn't otherwise play, plus some it could, for a short time. If it's a game you can play on Switch, you might buy it when it rotates out. If it's a game you couldn't play on Switch, Nintendo might get a bigger royalty cut (theoretically.) The only real "harm" to anyone's ecosystem is than Nintendo buyers wouldn't have to buy an XBox, they could play Halo, Fable, Banjo, etc on their Switch....but MS would be fine with that as the XBox hardware exists to sell the games and services which they're gladly selling everywhere.

That doesn't mean it will happen, but it means there's a case for it to be beneficial to all parties, and help Switch with its primary weakness ("weak" hardware, can't play current games.)

The thing that makes it a real possibility, if the business arrangements could actually be worked out favorably to all, is that Nintendo has already experimented with a similar idea on a per-game basis with Switch for big "western" games, just, so far, only in Japan. What's the difference of playing AC: Odyssey on Switch streaming on Ubisoft's platform vs. on Microsoft's platform? Merely the business arrangements behind the scenes. And that fact that you have to be in Japan for the former....

MS may or may not ever be the right format and partner for such an idea, but that idea could easily work for Nintendo and they're already been exploring it more than once. MS is very amicable to terms right now so they'd bend over backward a little, but it could just as well be a union of Nintendo and the remnants of Stadia or something else should Nintendo choose to go with that structure.

@NEStalgia do you have gamepass? Cause I do and the outer worlds has been in there for ages. Rentals never lasted months on end and came 10 at a time with 90 still at home. A lot of games will stick around forever so it's like a rental service that lets you keep every microsoft game for free pretty much for the price of a few games a month from the old guys, even in 90s pricing. It's not even an analog to the experience you get from blockbuster or redbox.

Switch can even barely run GameCube at 30 fps as they had to emulate PowerPC.

@Ventilator Do you have a source for this sweeping assertion? Or any of the other you have made here? Please do not use Mario Sunshine as your (sole) evidence, I ask.

@doctorhino Yes. First party games are permanently included. Third party rotates in and out. (RDR2 was in there for, what, a month tops? That was weirdly brief.)

Outer Worlds is first party (MS owns Obsidian), so it will be in there permanently, as will, eventually, all Bethesda games.

For third parties, it's up to the publisher if it stays in forever or is there for 2 weeks. If it's in there forever, that just means the publisher decided it's working well for them and they want to continue.

And yes, it's a tremendously better consumer value than the old 90's rental stores as a rental service. Which is the point. Back in the 90's it was $3.79 for 3 days, 2 nights, or back in the very old days $3.49 for 1 night, must be returned by noon! By the end of Blockbuster rentals were "unlimited time limit 3 at a time." Gamefly works/worked that way as well. As did Netflix when they were renting physical discs. Of course the point of that is, they were renting physical copies and when you had it, someone else couldn't. Finite supply, finite access. Infinite supply, infinite access for a flat fee. If Blockbuster could dupe copies for every customer and charge you $180 a year they may have survived.

Point being, yes it's a better value than the old rental stores, because it's a better rental service than they were, but it's still a rental service. MS's own games are loss leaders and are permanent parts of the sub. They're giving you free hardware when you buy a Series X, too....it cost them more to produce than they're charging you to take it. They pay you for the hardware. So you buy games and subs that cost more over time

So MS doesn't care if you buy someone elses hardware they don't have to pay you to take, and you pay them to play their games on Game Pass. But why would Nintendo want you to buy their hardware to play Halo? Because like the deal with GameStop, Nintendo would get a cut of the subs for everyone playing Halo on a Nintendo console. And selling licenses to third parties is the mainstay of how Nintendo has made its money since 1983. Like those "free" Microsoft games on a Game Pass sub, while Mario and Zelda are profitable, they're not the bulk of Nintendo's revenue. They get you into their ecosystem. Capcom and Squeenix, and Activision licensing copies of games is how they make their primary revenue (same for Sony, same for MS.)

That's why Nintendo is laying lower with 1st party games on Switch than WiiU and 3DS. Like the NES, strong 3rd party support means they don't need their games to "push" the console, and can rake in the licensing fees now.

So a situation where Nintendo has GP streaming, or some other streaming vendor isn't tremendously different than traditional publishing: They provide the platform and someone else shares in revenues for play. The revenue share is lower than traditional licensed games, but the market may be larger.

Same for RE7 and AC: Odyssey streamed in Japan - Nintendo gets a cut of that revenue.

Mario and Zelda sell Switches. Switches sell Game Pass, gamers choose Switch + Game Pass instead of a phone/tablet phone and Game Pass. Nintendo makes money, Microsoft makes money, and gamers get access to games they want on hardware they want to play it on, and pick up Mario and Zelda along the way. It's a workable idea. But again, it has to strike the right business deals behind the scenes with the right timing and the right boundaries and the right revenue matching.

@NEStalgia I mean you over simplify it then say well it's extremely complicated behind the scenes. It's unprofitable is my theory, you have a different one apparently. But attempting to speak for Microsoft (because they gave gamestop money) or Nintendo (because they allow 2 games to stream in japan) is kind of a stretch. I don't know what went down with negotiations but it was on the table at one point and was taken off. I'm going to say Nintendo aren't so happy go lucky about the deal as you might think. They make a lot of money off those eshop fees and anything to cut into that would be bad for them. They're not going to make 30% of game prices on gamepass. They obviously didn't value it and see it as a positive or they would have worked with them. They must have some kind of a relationship because of all the ports and the fact that they don't see eachother as direct competitors.

I know a lot of people want to be angry about this, but what he's saying actually makes a lot of sense. If you own a games consoles you are also likely to own at least one of a laptop, tablet, mobile phone, smart TV etc. If they can reach you much more easily through that device why would they prioritise working within the restrictions of other games consoles manufacturers (especially when there's so much cross over with the current Xbox demographic)

As cool as the Game Pass sounds for the Switch, emulation would be one of the major issues (@Ventilator brought up a good point of how EMULATION and PORTS are two very different things).

Even if emulation successfully worked, some people mentioned here that the sales of certain games would drop because the Game Pass features those games, at a much cheaper price for just a subscription; also the reason why NSO is cheaper than VC.

In the end, I would rather see more dedicated collaborations, whether it's a third Microsoft rep in Smash or the Banjo games as a whole.

@Kainbrightside
In comparison to phones, the Switch is a very different kind of device that is made SPECIFICALLY for video games. Putting in 5G technology from phones to the Switch would yield different results - the Switch is more comparable to a gaming laptop (of course, weaker) in any case.

Mobile games are programmed to run on average phones from previous generations, not high-end or current-generation phones. The games on the Switch are programmed to run with the Switch's capabilities; that would be roughly around what current-gen phones can handle.

If anything, Nintendo is guaranteed to get a percentage from the subscription fees in the same way Google gets money for subscription fees - from the eShop and Play Store, respectively.

NINTENDO SWITCH ONLINE is pretty much a competitor to XBOX LIVE. That being said, why would Nintendo want to offer Game Pass on NSO if a percentage of the NSO subscription fees would go to Microsoft? Keep in mind, Nintendo has kept the subscription fees at (basically) a bare minimum. Any lower and it's no profit for them.

@Retro_Player_77 its playstation and nintendo that are ignoring
microsoft. They don't want gamepass. I think Nintendo will change they're mind eventually, especially after the zenimax acquisition. Because gamepass app, pc, xcloud, xbox will be the only way to play future zenimax titles. So I think we will see a xcloud app on switch eventually.

@Kainbrightside As much as I'd like to play my switch online on the go, a 5g radio would wreck the battery life on that thing.

@COVIDberry You should look up emulation in general as you don't know the requirements at all for any console launched after year 2000.

@ArcticFox The problem with ports is that it's more expensive than emulation. Thats why 360 games were emulated instead of ported to lower the costs.

@NathanTheAsian Thanks.

My guess is that the Battletoads 2020 remake will be released on Switch later, but not much else in near future perhaps.

@Arkay Not until Mario Kart is released on Xbox.

Funny how Microsoft said they wanted to be on anything with a screen. Obviously not Nintendo.

@Ventilator I hope you have a job, because the fields of communication and science/technology aren't for you, champ.

@Retro_Player_77 anecdotal. Literally more gamers on PC than any device... Stick to your day job kid

@COVIDberry Obviously not for you either as you needed proof on basic tech knowledge even when it were obvious technically already.

Game Pass is pretty nice for playing latest titles but if assume on switch it also means using cloud streaming and not running on actual hardware, for switch owners like me I wouldn't do that when I can just use game pass on my pc and not use streaming

However Rare Replay? Yes please, the games on that should all be able to run on the switch?

I'm just not going to entertain the notion it's ever going to happen unless it's in my hands. Still, it's pretty cool to see 'Xbox Game Studios' pop up every time I play Will O' the Wisps.

@Retro_Player_77 When people think of video games. They think of Call of Duty, Battlefield, Halo, Fortnite. All the third party competitive games. Microsoft would be bold to allow Nintendo and Sony to have Game Pass on their platforms. It should be exclusive to Xbox, PC, and mobile.

Also there are far more PC gamers than the 100mil of PS4 gamers, 65 million Nintendo Switch gamers. Heck mobile is the biggest market for Game Pass than all the main platforms combined.

By the way Microsoft is doing just fine skipping PS and Switch platforms nice try though.

@Ventilator So I just played CONTROL via cloud streaming on Switch handheld provided by Nintendo. I tried both the Performance version and the Enhanced Graphics version. Both were very impressive and honestly better than Xcloud on my Samsung Note 9. But the screen could definitely be better and the WiFi connection could definitely be better - Switch needs to get WiFi 6E. I loved CONTROL but it was definitely better playing it on Xbox. It was a really interesting cool and fun experience. But I know Nintendo flush with cash can definitely do better.

@Lionyone That sounds good, but wonder how it handles big open world games like AC Valhalla or AC Odyssey as those can sometimes lag on streaming. You could try streaming it on Switch with wired cable instead. Joytech LAN Adapter "for Wii" also work on Wii U, Switch, PC, Android and Android Tablets.

As for streaming quality it also depends on the game streamed.
I tried XCloud, Stadia and NVIDIA GeForceNow streaming at the same time last spring.
Ace Combat 7 were fine from XCloud to a 10" Tablet. Completed 2 missions using a Xbox One Gamepad on it.

Destiny 2 on Stadia were just fine. Played it for many hours.
GRID on Stadia. Poor gfx quality. Zombie Army 4 were fine on Stadia.
This on same service...
GeForceNow had sound stuttering on AC Syndicate.

If it weren't for GRID, i would have guessed that Stadia were the best streaming service.

Anyways. I own Control on my Xbox One X so i will just play that version.

@Ventilator I like how you're keen to try out tech!

This article is interesting:

https://nintendoeverything.com/meet-ubitus-the-company-behind-switchs-cloud-powered-games/

@Lionyone Thanks. I will check it out.