@BossBattles - post #40

That is fantastic and hits the nail on the head for what this generation of gaming has turned into unfortunately. I really miss the generation around the N64/Gamecube/PS1/Dreamcast/PS2 era where each platform was equally respected and everybody seemed to like each company. Now it's all about "this company doesn't know jack about the video game industry", as if everybody on these forums is some professional in the business.

We tend to forget, but unlike back then, games and their respective developers today are constantly under the microscope and perceived to have 'expectations' now instead of simply surprising us. That magic seems to be intangible as it constantly seemed to be back in those days. A lot of times, I think we expect too much from Nintendo, as it's very clear right now that they are going like crazy with the amount of software that will be available within the next year. Seriously, have you all taken a look at how many titles are in the works? It's staggering if you compare it to other first party developers.

Anyways, bottom line here, I wish there were more people out there like you in the gaming world, BossBattles. I've been an owner for all the consoles this last gen (PS3, Wii, 360) and there's quality in each platform. It'll likely be the same story this go around - Xbox One being the exception with their DRM deal. Although they may have stellar titles, people may be detracted by all the hoopla you have to do in order to play (especially used games).

@Lasermaster123

The real question may come down to this...Can Nintendo hold their own without third party support? Obviously, Nintendo has as much characters and properties as the likes of Disney - of which Playstation and Microsoft would only dream of having. It just sorta sucks that it's created this division between developers and Nintendo. It's all about where the money is - and Nintendo isn't it right now for these third party developers.

I kind of expected a little more on the end from Nintendo from this e3 on what to expect by the end of this year. Sure, 2014 is going to be stellar. But this coming holiday was extremely important to have consumers believe in a reason to get the system around then. Not for it to sit there until titles arrive in 2014. Pikmin 3 looks great, but it's not a system seller. Same goes for Wonderful 101 and Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze. It looks as though they're leaning on Super Mario 3D World to do the trick and I'm not all that convinced.

The Mario Kart 8 title, now that would have moved systems this holiday with it bundled. I would gladly swap the release dates for these two titles as it makes more sense for Nintendo this holiday season (in my eyes at least). I only say this because it seems that these particular platformers (I know it's not from the 'New Super Mario Bros.' series) are becoming increasingly unpopular in terms of players simply being "burnt out". However, I'll be glad if I'm wrong and the Wii U sells like crazy cuz of all the titles being listed this year.

I think what annoys me about these developer drop-outs the most is the 'elitist' attitude they come off as towards Nintendo. Third party support for Nintendo for the most part I guess has been like this forever, but for the Wii U it seems like an all time low.

Honestly, I don't really get it. On paper, it makes a lot more sense if third party supported this console than the last one (Wii) since the disparity in horsepower/visuals/etc. isn't nearly as great for the Wii U compared to these 'yet to be released' systems. But they bought into the casual hype thinking people who bought the Wii would go for their games. Of course, that never panned out too well for the various reasons like: shotty ports, graphical capabilities, online, etc.

Nintendo hurt themselves bad with the Wii. Sure it was amazingly innovative, but for who it catered to and how sour a taste it left in mouths of the many has been too hard to overcome for some third party developers.

The Wii U is an amazing system which far surpasses the Wii in tremendous amount of ways. I know, of course it should, but it appears that developers and the video game community are simply failing at giving it a chance. Seriously, how much different is watch dogs going to play/look on PS4 vs. Wii U? If you say 'greatly', you're kidding yourself. However, if you had said that last gen about the same game out for PS3 vs. Wii, then I would completely understand.

Maybe not so much a "fine tune", but I wonder if it's at all possible for them to implement 5 players now...Think about it, Nintendo Land has many games with 5 possible players.

I tend to love these games but my friends, not so much. Hopefully this game will finally get the online treatment.

This is kinda beside the point, but has anyone seen this news about a possible Eternal Darkness sequel???
http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/05/03/shadow-of-the-eternals-teaser-trailer

mind blown O.o

@HawkeyeWii

They also released the Banjo games on there as well. I think Rare will have to be bought back by Nintendo to have those all come to the Wii U. Who knows, maybe it'll happen someday, but with Rare's track record of late, I kinda doubt it. But if you're really, really wanting to play these games with HD clarity, borrow/buy a cheap 360 to play them on. It may be the only way unless you have the old carts/N64 or have them on an emulator.

But the Perfect Dark remake is great. They didn't change a thing about it other than the opening N logo. Missions/bots are back. Very much worth the $15-20 or whatever it was when I bought it off of the XBlive marketplace.

@HawkeyeWii
It was re-released on the 360 a couple of years ago with cleaned up graphics. Sad to say, it will probably never see a Nintendo console again. But if you have a 360, it's there for you to play, and I totally recommend it. Played it a few times with friends from that era recently and it was a blast from the past.

@Prof_Elvin_Gadd
Yeah, I completely agree. I'm sure they'll do the same as what they did with the 3DS though. Nothing super special, but something for organization. The tiles are getting a little messy.

This is the beginning to something amazing if Nintendo can bring all if not most of the VC titles to the gamepad. I don't know why, but re-playing the games on the gamepad can make it seem like re-playing the game all over again. They will be bringing N64 titles to it as well, riiiight? And gamecube virtual console for gamepad play...the mere idea of it is too fantastic for words.

This is great. What's funny is, and F-Zero is cool and all, but we've seen this already been released for the Wii VC. I would just love to have seen the original Star Fox be released as a part of this promotion. Is it still just too problematic to port over? Man I miss that game.

I second Eryan64's comment. Seriously, does anyone know if 3-4 local multiplayer was fixed so that the person on the gamepad actually has the gamepad screen while the other 2 have split screen on tv?

One thing to make sure works this go around: online. We can't have another SSBB online snafu. That was the biggest thing I was hyped for and probably the biggest letdown. Fortunately, I have full faith in this staff. Make it happen, fellas!

@Windy
I totally get where you're coming from on this. Somehow, someway, the Wii's VC service (and among other things) grew very stagnant quickly. Same goes for it's releases of quality software for the most part. I mean, they bookend-ed the console's lifespan with quality Zelda titles, but Skyward Sword still wasn't the swan song to save that system. At least, that's my opinion anyways.

But if there's one thing to take away from what Nintendo should have learned with abandoning the Wii to the Wii U is to supply the consumer with options. This system has amazing potential and it engaged me on my first day with it much more so as an overall experience than Wii did. Wii engaged us for the most part with friends and family to enjoy Wii Sports and whatnot. But that's only like 10%, if that, how I actually used my console. Wii U has something definitely more in store than Wii did.

Going back to options, this system basically screams options with the usages of the gamepad alone, not to mention the release of the Pro Controller. I think that's what actually sold me on this system - the fact that Nintendo would release that type of classic peripheral to cater future titles and players who didn't care for wii-remote/nunchuk or gamepad. Wii U VC (hopefully GCN, Dreamcast, etc.) is an excellent way for Nintendo to show us that we can pick and choose how we'd like to play these classic games. My favorite option of course being that we will hopefully be able to play the games directly on the gamepad.

But, like you say, they are still behind. I think the main point I'm trying to come across is, it's still very early in this console's life and I see more potential in it than I ever did in the Wii. And although Ninty hasn't made all the strides everyone wants yet, you still have to admit, they are adapting here and there. And just knowing that they're doing that, opens the doors for other possibilities.

A future Star Fox, Mario Tennis and F-Zero would definitely be interesting online as well.

I mean, it's fine to me that Nintendo Land wasn't online. I'm only concerned if this is the route they'll take when games like the ones mentioned above (if they come out) are lacking online when they really shouldn't be. It's ok right now, Nintendo, but shame on you if you don't implement it later onto these titles.

@Xilef
For gamepad support or any other updates.

I wonder if they'll offer any discount in anyway to people who already own the GCN versions of these games. Doubt it, but it should be logged in our Nintendo ID via Club Nintendo (if you registered it new). Just saying, it would be nice to get some kind of break for already owning it.

BTW, does anyone else think Nintendo should have a channel for feedback in Miiverse? Like a Nintendo general chatroom. Seems like the perfect place for petitioning for stuff like this to improve. That way they can really garner a sense of "need" for these things to really take form.

Honestly, other than telling people who are on the fence about buying the system "yeah, the system is neat and has a lot of potential" but once they ask about what's playable online that they can't play on any other platform, my answer can only be ZombiU. Just doesn't seem a lot to go off of...

Seeing articles like these, including a response from Nintendo with the whole "we encourage players to play together locally" just makes me shake my head.

I think a lot of you have put it perfectly, why couldn't they make this an option instead of making the decision for us? Quite ridiculous in this day and age in gaming and if this is the trend they want us all to follow, they are in for some dire times.

I currently own the U. I think the Miiverse is an awesome idea. But if that's where Nintendo feels it has satisfied us as an online community, they've still got much to learn. Just making our gaming experiences "facebookable" isn't all that revolutionary. Yes, it gives us a special place to be nerdy about gaming - but we have plenty of places to do that same very thing online through a PC (I'm doing it right now! lol)

Does Nintendo fear that if we have the option to play online, we'll never play locally again? I play Halo games all the time with people over and online - probably equal amount. Do I prefer local? Well that all depends, screen-splitting is kinda lame, but having the other person around is great too. But Nintendo needs to be listening to the community on these issues. Not all of us have friends in town all the time to play locally.

A lot of my friends who used to be huge Nintendo fans, have really moved on to PC gaming. It's sad because, even if Nintendo brings online gaming to life with upcoming titles, I'm not sure if all of them would shell out money for the system since they've felt so "ripped off" in the past. If anything's going to be a trend, it's going to continue to be these kinds of moves unless they take care of this immediately and start implementing online OPTIONS!! Saying you left it out is an excuse. A very neglectful to the voices of their fans excuse.

Excuse me, launch window game. Jeez, anyways, I think I already heard that they delayed it and possibly the others for 3rd parties to get attention. Am I just crazy feeling a bit empty handed at launch from Nintendo? Wii - Twilight Princess (full fledged Zelda title) GameCube - Luigis mansion and Melee one month later. N64 - Super Mario 64. I'm sorry, but NSMBU+Nintendo Land isn't on par with those. Let's be real fellas. This system has loads of potential. I'm stoked like anybody else, but they don't make articles like "Nintendo is being more and more tight lipped" for any old reason these days. It's become more prevalent with even the weirdest announcements they ever make. Bottom line, not the craziest fan of this launch. All that matters is the end result, and I fully believe in this company. They've just been making real questionable decisions (Wii mini, really?)

@abevigoda

How am I horribly wrong about E3? It hasn't taken place yet. You may eat those words. Nintendo has fallen into a lapse of taking easier routes this generation and it's getting a little old. When I think of Wii, it screams casual - and I still have a large library of its games. Ranting as a baby or displaying my displeasure are one in the same and I of course prefer the latter. Lol.

Sorry if I offended earlier. I think my main concern was the delay on pikmin 3 which first started as a near launch title. If that hadn't been announced in this direct I wouldn't have been so vocal.

@SKTTR & AbeVigoda

Congratulations to you both for feeling that way. Me and Rapadash6 perhaps feel paying $300-400 for a console to sit around for 6 months to play something worth while by Nintendo is a little bit ridiculous. But shame on us for feeling a little jaded. Stop sounding like such snooty douches.

Brainless and greedy, please. Sorry if I feel there should be a bone thrown to us once in a while. Get off your high horse and stop defending a (greedy) company yourself. And it's fine if Nintendo is greedy - they're in the business to be just that. But you're kidding yourself if you didn't feel an ounce disappointed by hearing that Pikmin 3 got delayed. I've been following Ninty since the '80s and as far as launches go, they've had better. I know it, you know it.

Name-calling and defending myself aside, YES, I do also believe that they will announce something worthwhile at E3 (cough July 2013 cough). BUT, I've been here before anticipating something huge to counter Microsoft, Sony, etc. and have had the same results saying "that's it?". I hope, however that I am horribly wrong.

Oh and they "promised" wiiTvii or whatever. Where the ef is that? That should have DEFINITELY been on the Nintendo Direct.

I'm gonna put it straight here - this system has amazing capabilities. No doubt it will blow my mind when it gets put to use. Problem is, Nintendo has not given us even an inkling on what we can expect after paying upwards of $300. Is it for Pikmin 3? Honestly, that game better be amazing if I'm waiting for what I envisioned it as a launch title game AND if it's all Nintendo has to offer through 2013 up to spring/summer of 2014.

@GameLord08 - The Wii had a pretty decent lineup for sure. I don't know if I remember waiting on titles though. And that was possibly the downfall was how they released them. But what Rapadash6 (any myself included) is concerned about is the total lack of communication between Nintendo and the consumer on the future of what they will bring that will knock our socks off. We're left in the dark and that's unsettling.

So ok, behind the scenes we have a Smash Bros. being developed for Wii U and 3DS. They can't shed any type of light on that in any way? Or how about Retro Studios? Like what Rapadash says, this console for us gamers is an investment, but right now the investment looks...well, empty. Empty with blank promises. We all "know" a Zelda is coming. That a Mario is coming. It sure would be great to know my investment is safe with some evidence. sigh

@Rapadash6 Gonna have to agree with you here 100%. As much as NSMBU was a "launch title", let's be honest here, and yes, Twilight Princess was more a port than an actual launch title, but I'd prefer that than what is offered on the table right now from Nintendo. And Gamecube AT LEAST followed up the launch with Melee which was about 1 month following launch. Excuse me here, but what do we have "promised" so far? Pikmin in probably summer of 2013?? Not ok.

Frankly, the third party support better be relishing in this limelight it has now. Lego city looks...ok. Not really my thing, but to at least have something worth playing on THIS system for its capabilities, I'm not sure where else to look. And yes, Nintendo Land was cool too, but how many times can we really play all these mini games?

8 player Mario Kart Double Dash (LAN)....no, I'm not joking.

It's actually a fun idea to think of - the game has evolved in a lot of different ways, and this can be one more step in it's evolution. Albeit, a very risky step. The way I see it, and maybe it's just silly, but why can't it be an option? If you hate it that much, or the acting is just that awful, or you enjoy the dialogue in it's traditional form, simply turn it to text only. Either way though, Link should never have his own audio dialogue with other characters. Honestly though, I think everybody wins with this implementation. And you have to think, not everyone is going to love what Nintendo does with every Zelda game. But, I think it's always good to see Nintendo try some new things with their beloved franchises. Who would've thought having the Nintendo universes fight one another would have been such a hit? (Smash Bros.) Maybe later down the road, we'll say the same thing about this kind of element added to the Zelda series.

The problem they're facing is that they're releasing (finally) an HD system where the market is already saturated in HD gaming and everything else for that matter. The selling point has to be the controller and decent titles that will invoke a purchase of a "U"nique console. Whatever the price may be, what will this system bring to the table that the current HD consoles don't already have? And that's the scary part, because it's just like how the Wii was promoting sales - through innovative controls, which is precisely what this console is moving towards. And I don't know about all of you guys, but I don't really want another 5 years or so of another Wii. This system has to promise to be functional, fun, and cater to everybody who wants to play it. And that does NOT mean casual.

I say $300 is pretty safe. $400 and above seems a bit high for any Nintendo console. Doesn't seem to be their forte IMO. I think it all depends on how much one of those controllers will end up costing.

Oh, and let's also not forget LAUNCH TITLES. The 3DS had a good lacking of that as well, besides it's high price.