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jord

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#1

jord commented on Rumour: Nintendo NX Shipping This Time Next Ye...:

@TheLastLugia

With no hesitation, Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword was my second favorite Zelda game. There is no close contender.

On to the more important things about all this: yes, I know people have different opinions. The tease, here, is not which opinion is yours or mine and why it is okay that they are different. The tease is specifically that, over decades, Nintendo has put its consumers in a zone where they have wildly different opinions from one another to a degree that is irregular or unusual among media producers.

Highly unusual. The company you know is effectively not the company I know; if our exchange has anything to say about it.

Let us zoom out for a second. I brought up classic versus... What comes after, the Nintendo of today, "Nintendo's newer stuff," if you will.

I truly believe (and namely why I defend others like Quorthon on here), that Nintendo cannot survive in this day and age based on the changing, modernizing gaming atmosphere. What you played may well be meaningful to you. Yes. But this experience will not endure, this is partly why the rage-debates are so frequent.

The major disagreements among consumers must be the single best indication that Nintendo's future will not be what you and I probably knew it as. The mobile landscape, will eventually, overtake Nintendo if it hasn't already. The aesthetic, the design of mobile games, have erased the classic design emphasizing button control. Touch gameplay is not even a strong Nintendo 3DS centrepiece - it is an afterthought.

On the home console front, Nintendo will have to switch design gears real soon, because it has been losing all its attempts there as well. How incoherent has the Zelda experience been? Do you truly believe this is a matter of subjective opinion? This is a matter of design incoherence — not from my standpoint — from their own.

Whatever Nintendo does with its IP, it is not working right now for them the way they are doing it. Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword should have been the game they released instead of Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, with a better story, and better graphics. Not with any design changes. No matter what style the game was played, motion-controlled or on an N64 controller.

They are BEHIND THE TIMES. There is A MAJOR paradigm shift in the gaming industry which they have MISSED way, way, way early on! This is not just about what is going on around them in the industry. This is also about them being unable to coherently transition their design improvements from simply one title to the next (without the erratic tabula rasa they pull every damn time a new game is made).

How many game design innovations do you think Link's Awakening really had? Short answer: so, very many. The actual quirky, mysterious, lovable characters came from this game, Link to the Past did not have it to that extent. The single most concise overworld in any Zelda game that was. The ocarina itself, the music as a major narrative plot device. Above all, the extremely powerful narrative, something the heads at Nintendo would hope to never engage with again in any game going forward!

The problem with Nintendo is that they do not know how to innovate, not that they do or don't.

jord

#2

jord commented on Rumour: Nintendo NX Shipping This Time Next Ye...:

@TheLastLugia

The GameBoy/DS debate can go on, and on, and on.

Close caption, concise response: The GameBoy had the Godlike masterpiece that was Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening, arguably, the crowning achievement in classic game design and the easy contender for 1st place, over Super Mario 64 and Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time; its direct successor.

The DS? The DS had jack Sh** instead.

jord

#3

jord commented on Rumour: Nintendo NX Shipping This Time Next Ye...:

@TheLastLugia
He isn't being arrogant. He is the first among a really, really large number of Nintendo weary to put effort into his comments. Why would anyone even try half as hard given the current state of the company, I don't know. But at least he tries.

There are die-hard, loyal Nintendo customers who have followed this company from the early 90s unwaveringly, into 2015. I would be one of those. I have purchased nearly every last console and every last handheld them. And countless games on their systems, from many publishers.

On top of these facts, a few more will give you the full description of this die-hard customer. I am not the cliche. But your idea of the 'Nintendo hater' ought to give away how stereotypical your 'Nintendo customer' really may be.
1. The Wii and DS were definitely flukes. Unfortunate, unsustainable, and regressive flukes at that.
2. Nintendo may or may not go third party, this contention is the last of my worries. However, since the option is left completely open to 'may go third party' I guess I already fulfilled your two points of being a Nintendo hater. (tip: I am not).
3. Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker was a horrible, gut-wrenching disappointment of a perversion of a series the first time I saw it, and I hold the same opinion of it, to this day. Opinions do not change.
4. Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess was as bad.
5. Nintendo has made a cartoony mess of itself and its games from the GameCube onwards. In fact, I detest what Shigeru Miyamoto has done to the company after the Nintendo 64 days.
6. In the here and now, I definitely think Nintendo is history and cannot recover from the atrocities of its last three consoles and handhelds. Their hardware is based on gimmicks, people will tell you the same thing endlessly. The last great console was the Nintendo 64, perhaps a marvellous Godsend of a fluke in its own right, since its success has never been repeated again. To add to this, no future Nintendo console could hope to achieve Nintendo 64 level greatness without gargantuan, competitive, graphics to boot. Making another Sunshine or Galaxy, will definitely, deeply not cut it, the sophistication and atmospheric sobriety needs to revisit the classicism of Super Mario 64.

Conclusion and open thought: classical design itself is what Nintendo has lost. A qualitative thing to lose, a challenging thing to lose, something with deep repercussions. No wonder someone like me feels so different about Nintendo's contemporary stuff. This has nothing, whatsoever, to do with the tone that another user puts into his comments. I will never buy another Nintendo product again unless the sophistication and classicism return as seen in Super Mario 64.
This is Step 1.

jord

#4

jord commented on Talking Point: Nintendo's Approach to Transfor...:

20 years ago, I got a SNES. Then, a Nintendo 64. In between, a Game Boy.
The first I am not nostalgic about but don't dislike. The other two I will vehemently defend.

I didn't like the Nintendo 64 days because of just Nintendo in hindsight... But because of other crucial, definitive games on the system: Banjo-Kazooie, Diddy Kong Racing, Snowboard Kids, Donkey Kong 64. The system anchored a commitment to Nintendo for all these different reasons.

Some argue the releases were far fewer than the PS, perhaps this was problematic, but to me, all my time spent on each game was bountiful. Since then, my experiences on Nintendo systems did not progress, they regressed. The GameCube lost a major second party developer, in Rare. The pivotal point however, has not to do with Rare, but with the aftermath for Nintendo: absolutely zero ongoing business relationships with an Independent Second Party Developer in other words, a second party developer free enough to call the shots as to the kind of games admissible for release. We had M rated Conker, and E rated Banjo, and experimental, yet fulfilling 3D worlds in the form of Donkey Kong 64, which frankly, Rare was **entirely responsible** for making into a respected franchise after DKC. Miyamoto himself expressed displeasure with Donkey Kong Country for the SNES. This is a developer who was not to take Nintendo in the right direction, ever, going forward.

Miyamoto expressed displeasure with DKC specifically due to the graphical leaps and bounds forward that the game brought with it, something he once claimed was irrelevant to fundamental and appealing gaming experiences.

These general threads of history are what have brought us to present form Nintendo. A company that had lost its potential in the gaming sphere since the GameCube, due to no healthy, mutually balanced, independent relations with a second party developer. The Retro Studios of today is a shell of the Rare of the former days — this is the take away — not that Rare are a shell of their former selves. The day Nintendo lost Rare was indeed the day Nintendo should have sounded itself off to every consumer as a company with DEEPLY problematic design philosophies. Philosophies involving the sheer refusal to make games with clean, immaculate features from Super Mario 64, and in this particular case, think about the everlasting appeal of tracks like Dire, Dire Docks, rather than most anything from the levels of Sunshine. Objective (and majority) preference for that track over Sunshine tracks do indicate the beginnings of a Nintendo that chose a quirky, off-kilter tone for their gaming experiences over the immaculate stuff of Super Mario 64 (or the operatic / classic Zeldas I will get into later).

Suspicious design philosophies in Double Dash!! and The Wind Waker, two games supposedly boasting a STILL graphically potent hardware system — both so different from one another, and still, and this is clear as day, they converge to tell one simple thing: Nintendo unquestionably took Cartoons in a 64-bit Heightened Reality to a Truly Displaced, Truly Comical Cubic Era.

Coinciding and Correlating with the departure of Rare, this was the crash of Nintendo's console era and one they have never recovered from. The hardware power of the GameCube only indicates one more thing. The problem is not just with Nintendo's "seemingly absent" hardware fitness today, it rests deeper with its destructive design ineptitude.

To only add salt to the wound, this Japanese game maker dismisses in unbecoming corporate style the crossover Mario content in the simultaneously classic and progressive Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening, the most quintessential one of them all. One should look at the Iwata Asks for Link's Awakening on 3DS to see that they campily dismiss the way Mario content could cross over to a Zelda game, and that today, this could not "pass."

As handhelds continue to flounder and lose market presence, and the iPhone era takes over, a casual yet involving experience like Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening could only live on in Nintendo's home console line.

Enter the last beacon, of the last hope, of the last bastion, Nintendo actually has left that keeps it existent: the fans waiting, en niche, for a sign that all is not over, and that Zelda will come back to evangelize everything that has ever been and ever will be for pure entertainment's sake.

But Zelda won't actually return, not the way you would have hoped for, not the way you know deep down, will satisfy you. The stereotypical narrative tropes of the Triforce, of Good vs Evil, and of unabashed steam-punking are and will all be there to indicate to you, since E3 2014, that this game is just not the game you have been waiting for.

Nintendo is Dead.

jord

#6

jord commented on Analyst Thinks Nintendo Is Already Winding Dow...:

I've read through literally each comment so 300 comments in or not, I want to stake a claim too.

1. I think the GameCube really killed Nintendo.
2. Nintendo has seen darker days (see 1.)

The Wii U is in a bad spot but I can't say I haven't enjoyed the console and haven't gone out of my way one side of the Atlantic to buy my sister one on the other. And over what, over Mario Kart 8. The clincher is that Nintendo consoles have existed in our homes throughout our lives and it is telling when a sister's intentions for a console somehow spell out your own history and connection with a particular console generation.

In the N64 era, she tried playing Mario Kart 64 when I wasn't there, only to force the cartridge in so hard, she broke it. She'd gone out of her way.
During the GameCube days, she did not realize another Mario Kart existed or might be worth trying (did she play it once or twice? through enticement? can't remember, and who could blame her, she would never know the All-Time Scourge in Nintendo Release History, in Double Dash!!). During the Wii and eventually Wii U days, we played Kart obsessively, or drunkenly with others on hot summer nights.

This - these trace-anecdotes - all truly replicates my own personal sentiments with Nintendo's consoles throughout the years. And I comfortably say this when I say that the Wii and more importantly, the Wii U era, are not Nintendo's darkest times, not even objectively so if I held true and steady to my point of view.

In my opinion, because this may be forever-contended with, Nintendo is still paying as a company, largely, holistically, and in "consumer-trust-retribution" or whatever the term is for it, for the obscenities, bogus, aberrations in gameplay and design which they have dealt their most cherished brands in the GameCube generation, with Mario, Zelda and Mario Kart.

The only reason I accept moving forward with Nintendo today is not just because I forgive lightly "as a loyalist" because Wind Waker, even the step down from 64 to Sunshine, and Double Dash!! (far and away the biggest franchise fall) cannot be forgiven easily, as passable as "mere games" as they were.

The reason I am where I am today with Nintendo is because I still have that last remaining sparing ounce of trust for them. And because they themselves know (and we know they know) that they have disappointed, at least a couple generations over, their dedicated fans with this or that release.
We can debate the GameCube's trials and tribulations endlessly, but I don't really want to. TL;DR take: the look of their games became overly cartoonish, even babyish, infantile in this era; it needs no further evidence than in the horrendously ugly, disgustingly unrefined look of Double Dash!!

The last shred of brand trust is in our hands, directed conservatively toward them. ...All things considered, in my (conservative) opinion, the Wii U was a more satisfying, enjoyable experience than the GameCube was. This is why I am still on board with them today. Not because of what comes later, or how things might turn out. Because of simple, sober hindsight: the Wii U era was a truly better era for me.

Nintendo will eventually, either release

1. A good old reliable title come NX launch (Super Mario, Mario Kart, F-Zero, Mario Party, WaveRace): if it ends up looking as jaw-droppingly impressive as what we'd gotten in the N64 days, they've automatically won me over.

2. An AAA Zelda launch title. If the Zelda game wins over critics, I'm sold. If it falls flat the way Twilight Princess did, I'm out for good.

Basically, in the failed form of the alternatives, Nintendo will have proven once and for all that they can no longer replicate the success I've come to expect of them. They will have definitely sunk in this outcome, in the larger industry.

jord

#7

jord commented on Talking Point: The Legend of Zelda on Wii U Ma...:

@Zach777 same here.

Or, the Wii U successor will become my secondary system in tandem with a 'primary' Xbox or PS successor or current gen system. This may hinge on what exactly Nintendo unveils regarding the Wii U successor. If the hardware doesn't impress (nor the scope or ambition of the launch games), I'm moving passed them.

jord

#8

jord commented on Iwata: Nintendo NX Will Surprise People And Ch...:

To the people still defending Nintendo restlessly, I pity you. I have followed this company from the youngest age and played everything they've released inside out. Never gave a rat's a** for the Xbox or PS systems.
Nintendo will continue to sink if they don't come back (with, as foundation) an extremely capable piece of hardware (as good or better than the competition).

You can twist this, edit this, adjust or re-describe things any which way you like — absolutely nothing will pull them out of the dirge they're in without incredible, game-changing, envelope-pushing hardware. And I've waited for the day the pressure came back to bite them in the a** since the GameCube and their cartoonish, half-a** Double Dash and Wind Waker designs.

It will be a fun ride to the end.

jord

#10

jord commented on Feature: The Wii U is Two Years Old, But How's...:

@WaveWarlock NintenCrap 64? Do you have any clue what you're saying? The N64 is by far and large the best Nintendo has ever put out and would ever probably put out in terms of home consoles. You'll be lucky to ever see a game like Super Mario 64 again, and that is saying a whole lot.

jord

#11

jord commented on Feature: The Wii U is Two Years Old, But How's...:

A solid B- from me.

I won't be getting Super Smash Bros. for the first time. Brawl did not hold my interest. Bayonetta 2 on the other hand: simply a massive surprise for me in that critics just love it.

Bayonetta, combined with good eShop exclusives (like Teslagrad), and great replay value in Mario Kart 8 earns it a B-.

jord

#13

jord commented on Nintendo 64x64: Snowboard Kids:

This was hands-down one of the definitive experiences for the 64. Pure gold. Everything from the soundtrack, to the gameplay, to the experience.

jord

#15

jord commented on Reggie: We're Not Interested in "Garage Develo...:

Indeed @ 25.
Also, I'm pretty sure the guy who made Cave Story qualifies as Garage developer and not indep studio - even tho he made it all seem more formal under 'Pixel'. It was all made during his free time.

jord

#19

jord commented on Talking Point: Zelda: Skyward Sword is 2011's ...:

I feel like with every one thing they get right, there's something else that feels like a bummer. The art style is growing on me FAST. But it's like- they do nothing with it. We've already seen these designs and looks - such as the forest and trails and these enemies, and mountains. One must wonder if 'innovation' has become synonymous with 'ye old routine' at their offices. Cos that would be a shame.

jord

#20

jord commented on Features: Five Nintendo Games to Thrill You in...:

If you ask me, they need to find a new super-tight super-potent second-party developer to start pushing out new IPs. Does no one remember Banjo, Conker, Diddy Kong Racing, Jet Force Gemini or Perfect Dark?
THEY NEED A NEW 'ALLIED' SECOND PARTY DEVELOPER. This should be like, one of their biggest goals for the year.

jord

#21

jord commented on Talking Point: Your Nintendo Moment of 2010:

Re-discovering the greatness of Wii's 1st and 3rd party titles on flatscreen+surround using only the wii remote. Enjoying every moment of Donkey Kong Country Returns, Endless Ocean 2, Shaun White Snowboarding, Tales of Monkey Island, or Bit.TRIP Beat/Runner, ever so casually but with total immersion.

jord

#24

jord commented on Review: Robox (WiiWare):

for WiiWare, this was more than half-decent. It can be tough as hell, but, if sci-fi/exploration is your style, it ranks up there with Fluidity and Bit.Trip

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#25

jord commented on Review: Super Mario All-Stars 25th Anniversary...:

One thing is clear.

Reviewers across the board don't seem to see anything "definitive" in the SNES iterations of mario bros. This is a blinstep, a misstep, a blindspot, a whatever you wanna call it, but a mistake.
Mario all stars IS NOWHERE available besides the SNES and now on this disc, so if you have any positive inclination about the specific presentation of THIS VERSION of Mario Bros., then BY ALL MEANS, help yourself and trust the AMAZINGNESS of this game for Wii

jord

#26

jord commented on EA: Nintendo Needs to Drop Wii Price, Help Thi...:

Ubisoft has been selling a lot better than EA on Wii.
EA should simply know WHAT games to put out on Wii. Then they'll really sell. The problem isn't "who's" content is getting cash. For the gamers, it's WHAT, and how good is it.
Recommended 3rd party games on wii:
-Need for Speed: NITRO
-Shaun White Snowboarding: Road Trip