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IceClimbers

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#1

IceClimbers commented on Talking Point: Raw Power Isn't Vital to Ninten...:

@Aromaiden Yup. They had hoped to get people who had never played video games before the Wii to invest in deeper games and become more dedicated. Didn't work out very well.

Also, you were quite off on your guess for the number of posts on this article. There's almost double :D

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#4

IceClimbers commented on Talking Point: Raw Power Isn't Vital to Ninten...:

@Heiki In that case, Nintendo should probably just go with "Nintendo". They wanted the "Wii" branding to be their brand of home consoles, like PlayStation and Xbox are for Sony and Microsoft. However, nobody says "Xbox, PlayStation, and Wii", they say "Xbox, PlayStation, and Nintendo". Why not bring back the NES branding? Or perhaps just "The Nintendo"?

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#5

IceClimbers commented on Talking Point: Raw Power Isn't Vital to Ninten...:

@Hotfusion I think what the general public (or perhaps, a small base of former Nintendo owners who are a minority) wants is Nintendo's games. They don't want Nintendo console hardware. 3rd party is the only option for success, and even that's not guaranteed, as I personally think the only userbase that would buy them is people who used to buy Nintendo's systems - that's retreading lost ground, not expanding your audience, which means Nintendo is failing as a company even as a 3rd party.

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#7

IceClimbers commented on Talking Point: Raw Power Isn't Vital to Ninten...:

@BinaryFragger I meant in marketing (hence why games like Link's Awakening DX are listed as Game Boy Color games rather than Game Boy games). You're correct on sales numbers though.

@rjejr Eh, I don't think they'd be worried too much. The Mystery Dungeon games are established enough to stand on their own, even with the brand damage caused by Gates to Infinity (which had no chance after the very highly-regarded Explorers of Time/Darkness/Sky). I don't expect Z or whatever to launch until next spring anyways. They'll probably announce it sometime this year, and then keep hype up with new Mega Evolution announcements, while advertising Mystery Dungeon on the side.

@Quorthon. Forgot about Sony's financial woes. Yeah, Apple was who I had in mind as a potential buyer other than Disney. Disney would be my first guess though. Some guy from Disney Interactive even joked about Disney buying Nintendo.

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#9

IceClimbers commented on Talking Point: Raw Power Isn't Vital to Ninten...:

@Quorthon I'd argue that the handheld trend was a sharp decline with the GBC and VB (I think it's dishonest to combine the GBC sales with the GB, considering Nintendo addresses them as separate platforms), then an upwards trend with the GBA and DS, and now another decline with the 3DS due to the market itself shrinking.

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#11

IceClimbers commented on Talking Point: Raw Power Isn't Vital to Ninten...:

@Aromaiden Poor Universal though. They had a deal with Marvel at one point - bought by Disney. Then they get a deal with Nintendo - (potentially) bought by Disney.

@Quorthon I think a good example of that is Capcom. They were damn near broke in Sept. 2013. Monster Hunter 4 and 4 Ultimate are why Capcom is still around.

Edit: A better example is Hudson Soft. They went bankrupt, and were then bought by Konami. If only Konami would do more with those IPs (coughBombermancough)

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#14

IceClimbers commented on Talking Point: Raw Power Isn't Vital to Ninten...:

@Quorthon They'd kill their copyrights and trademarks out of Japanese pride. Almost like committing seppuku. Besides, I think they'd leave the industry before it ever got to that point anyways.

@Ninstarkof Except the system wouldn't sell well. There's absolutely no reason for people to switch to Nintendo for 3rd party games when they can get those on the other platforms, which are already established. It would once again come down to Nintendo's own games, which aren't enough.

Besides, 3rd parties want SOFTWARE SALES. Those are impossible to achieve on Nintendo's home consoles without Nintendo's IPs being involved. Hyrule Warriors? That sold well because it had Zelda attached to it.

Nintendo fans who own a Wii U and buy 3rd party games on another system are a very small minority. Most outright ignore 3rd party games. This has been proven over time.

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#16

IceClimbers commented on Talking Point: Raw Power Isn't Vital to Ninten...:

@rishisquid Powerful (relatively speaking - it would still be weak much like the PS4 is) hardware that's easy to develop for won't magically make 3rd party developers start developing for it. They can still ignore it, and they have good reason to.

@Ninstarkof It's not just the Wii U. It's been the case since the N64. Soul Calibur II is one of the major exceptions - it sold well because it had Link in it.

If Nintendo does go financially down the drain, I still think they'd rather take their IPs down with them than sell them off.

@rjejr Sounds like a game-specific Direct could do them some good. Perhaps it's time to announce the next main series Pokemon game? That announcement should be coming at some point within the next couple months.

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#17

IceClimbers commented on Talking Point: Raw Power Isn't Vital to Ninten...:

@Ninstarkof Nah, Nintendo wouldn't ever sell their IPs. Most likely scenario is Nintendo going mobile-only as far as games go. That's where all of the Japanese developers are heading. AAA 3rd party game development is eventually going to become solely western. Nintendo and Square Enix will be the last of the Japanese to go.

If Nintendo does stop making games, they'll take their IPs down with them.

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#21

IceClimbers commented on Talking Point: Raw Power Isn't Vital to Ninten...:

@WOLF13 No, Ryno is correct. 3rd party games don't sell on Nintendo home consoles. That is a fact. Nintendo gamers will always prefer to have 3rd party games on other platforms or they outright ignore 3rd party games regardless of how good of a port it is (granted, the good ports the Wii U got were either late or, in ME3's case, an inferior and downright insulting value).

There is no reason for 3rd parties to support Nintendo's consoles as their games simply don't sell on those platforms and other gamers have no reason to switch to Nintendo for 3rd party games that they can get on the other platforms.

3rd party exclusives? The general view on those is becoming more and more negative by the day - it's viewed as an anti-consumer practice.

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#25

IceClimbers commented on Rumour: Nintendo NX Won't Be As Powerful As Pl...:

I'm not buying the NX regardless of how powerful it is. Why? Two reasons. 1. I'm not exactly in a position to be buying hardware, and won't be for a while. 2. Why should I? Let's say it did have all the 3rd party support. Ok? I can get those games on the other systems, in my case a PS4 (which I didn't buy for 3rd party games either - those are always extra to me). Nintendo's games are too few and far between.

Will wait this one out, and wait for a price drop. If the NX fails, which I think is a possibility even if Nintendo did fix their mistakes. Simply put - not enough people care anymore.

I'd rather play catch up with the rest of the 3DS and Wii U's libraries. Never did get fully caught up with the 3DS after the barrage of games from 2013.

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#26

IceClimbers commented on Rumour: Nintendo NX Won't Be As Powerful As Pl...:

Calling it now, @Peach64 is on to something. Nintendo is done with the home console market in the traditional sense; instead, the NX will be an affordable micro-console designed to play Nintendo's games (including the entire back catalog) as well as indies and possibly even mobile games. That's still technically a dedicated games console.

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#28

IceClimbers commented on Hands On: Blast Ball Brings Crude Button Mashi...:

@Quorthon Sorry, Wii Music and E3 2008 will always be the worst. Fed Force is just a bad spin-off. E3 2015 is more akin to E3 2003 for Nintendo - bad and luckluster, but not downright humiliating like E3 2008. It only looked worse because the competition brought their A game (even if said A game is anywhere up to a few years from release, or a PS5 title in the case of FF7 Remake ;))

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#30

IceClimbers commented on Rumour: Nintendo NX Won't Be As Powerful As Pl...:

@aaronsullivan Didn't the EA partnership fall apart because Nintendo refused to run Nintendo Network (which is what the partnership was for - not for games) through Origin, which caused EA to throw a bit of a temper tantrum? If I recall correctly, the other 3rd parties applauded Nintendo for refusing to go ahead with Origin, but still backed away from the system anyways partially because of EA's fit.

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#31

IceClimbers commented on Rumour: Nintendo NX Won't Be As Powerful As Pl...:

@TheNESLink The PS4 actually isn't all that powerful. Developers were able to max it out from day 1. Both systems are on the weaker side. You can get a gaming PC that blows the PS4 out of the water for not too much more. You'll save big bucks on software though, which makes up the difference.

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#40

IceClimbers commented on Feature: What If The SNES PlayStation Had Actu...:

If this deal had gone through, I'm sure Sega still would have gone 3rd party. I also believe that at some point we'd just have the Sony PlayStation, in which Nintendo is either a 1st party studio for Sony or doesn't exist - they would have eventually been bought out by Sony.

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#42

IceClimbers commented on Talking Point: The Pros, Cons and Questionable...:

July 2016 is too soon for a release in my opinion. However, November 2016 is too late, as the NX would not have parity with the other systems when it comes to the big AAA multiplats simply because those games would have been out already on the other systems.

Mid-October release is best. It allows for the NX to be there for the launch dates of the big multiplats.

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#45

IceClimbers commented on Rumour: Nintendo NX Shipping This Time Next Ye...:

@Quorthon Indeed, there's a lot of things to overcome. Also can't believe that I used a fishing analogy for video games. Worked decently enough though. Only wish fishing licenses weren't so damn expensive...

Anyways, I think that Nintendo may find themselves at issue with their mobile games. Simply put, people might not care about them. I predict that one of their mobile games will be really successful, one will have moderate success, and that the other 3 will fail completely. The catch: the one that is really successful is the one with the most shady business practices.

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#47

IceClimbers commented on Rumour: Nintendo NX Shipping This Time Next Ye...:

@rjejr @Quorthon @Kirk

I think it might be more beneficial to point out the install bases of the PS3 and 360 instead of the GCN or Wii. Even by November 2016, there will still be a MASSIVE number of people (millions upon millions) who haven't upgraded from their PS3/360 yet. Those people are who Nintendo should be targeting.

It's a bit like fishing on a river. You cast your line so that it hits a pool of calmer water that fish get carried into by the fast currents. You want to catch the fish that are getting carried by the currents. Nintendo needs to be catching those fish - the people upgrading from their PS3/360.

Convince those people that the PS4 and XB1 aren't the best place to play the multiplats (PC aside of course).

The only problem with a 2016 release date is that 3rd parties won't necessarily have enough time with the system, considering they supposedly just saw it at E3 this year.

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#49

IceClimbers commented on Nintendo NX Will Avoid The Launch Issues Which...:

@gatorboi352 You're wrong. They don't need complete parity - they need superiority. Their version of multiplats must be surperior, or people won't care. Only having parity isn't enough.

@BinaryFragger They had learned from the 3DS's launch. The 3DS was what caused the Wii U's poor launch. That royal screw up of the 3DS launch had a double whammy effect and caused the Wii U's launch because Nintendo was trying to turn around their handheld, meaning they were ignoring their console.

It was either let the 3DS die, or save the 3DS and sabotage the Wii U in the process.

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#50

IceClimbers commented on Weirdness: In Some Parallel Dimension, This Ni...:

@TheRealThanos The fact that Nintendo was supposedly pitching the NX to 3rd parties at E3 makes me question a 2016 release in the 1st place. Why? Because it means either a) the NX is easy to develop for and easy to port to, allowing for such a quick turn around for a launch next year, or b) Nintendo hasn't learned their lesson and isn't giving developers enough time with the system - the exact same start of events for the Wii U's pre-launch.

I suppose there's also c) the NX is a micro-console, and the 3rd party devs that they pitched the NX to are actually indie devs.