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Sampras

Sampras

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Sampras

#2

Sampras commented on Feature: The Biggest Wii U Games of 2014 - Sum...:

Prettier eye candy can add to overall enjoyment. I agree. But what is pretty? If you mean more realistic visuals = prettier, I disagree.

As a designer myself and artist, "realism" is the lack of visual art style. In other words if the visual presentation is "realistic" the artist did nothing a Polaroid couldn't do. Mind you the Polaroid is way faster at rendering "realism" and you don't have to pay for its health insurance either.

Cartoon style or watercolor style or paper cutout style or yarn aesthetic or anime style, or comic book style, or whatever other art style is much more interesting depending on how well it's executed.

Consider Bayonetta's visuals or Wonderful 101. Both graphicaly very impressive, but not anywhere near "realistic" or "believable". I'd argue that's exactly why it's so impressive and creative visually.

Lastly, when you say "it's always more entertaining to play a game with more "believable" visuals" I'd have to use my Tetris example again. All the updated "improved" graphics since the gameboy amounted to squat in terms of making the game more fun for me.

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#3

Sampras commented on Feature: The Biggest Wii U Games of 2014 - Sum...:

@JaxonH

I think you're mixing up "graphically impressive" with general enjoyment or fun.

Two examples:

1) Have you seen the evolution of the graphical impressiveness of Tetris games? I have. And you know what, they amount to squat when it comes to making the game more fun or enjoyable.

2) Have you seen Super Street Fighter II on SNES vs arcade? I have. Here is an example where graphical impressiveness actually added to the general enjoyment or fun. Because you can see detail in the character's face in smaller characters such as Fei Long. In this specific case, the amount of detail mattered because it allowed the game to impart the emotional content as expressed on Bruce Lee's face ...I'm sorry "Fei Long"'s face. But that was SNES vs arcade. WiiU vs 360 and PS4, no such significant difference. But then again WiiU differentiates itself in different ways.

"Too often Nintendo fans dismiss the value of visuals in favor of gameplay to the point of thinking visuals don't matter at all. They do matter"
No one disputes that. It's just not the deciding factor for enjoyability or fun.

"Saying great visuals aren't a necessity is one thing. And I'd agree with that. But saying they have no importance at all is, well, it's kind of naive."
No one said that. At least I didn't.

Your examples about WiiU sequel version of a game vs the Wii version of the game speaks to my distinction between "graphically impressive" and general enjoyment or fun. Without even talking about the gamepad....just the TV screen graphical impressiveness...in the games you pointed out the bigger and badder visuals were made possible by the new console. But notice how you are comparing WiiU to Wii - huge difference in power. But WiiU to ps4 or 360? That difference just isn't there. Even if you notice, it's splitting hairs - NOTHING close to the difference you mentioned with WiiU vs Wii visuals.

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#4

Sampras commented on Feature: The Biggest Wii U Games of 2014 - Sum...:

@JaxonH

Absolutely, everyone enjoys games regardless of HD or not.

There will always be a few insecure people who want bragging rights and split hairs or invent techno advantages that only the likes of digital foundry can notice (or even care about).

Back to the distinction between HDness vs enjoyable. Consider this. Everyone LOVES:
GameBoy tetris - extremely low res.
All the (great) NES games that haven't aged at all - pixels very visible.
16 bit era games that haven't aged at all - pixels still very much discernable.
All the Capcom 2D fighters - you can see pixels, nobody cares though.
3DS games - hit after hit after hit after hit - not as high res as other competition - nobody cares. (Oh btw did I mention freakin 3D is available????)
All the indie games regardless of platform that go out of their way to retain the old pixel look - HD not an issue here.

Let's face it, HD is not required for a fun game. HD is only required if you want...HD.

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#5

Sampras commented on Feature: The Biggest Wii U Games of 2014 - Sum...:

@ULTRA-64

Me too. I was split 50/50 between Toad and Bayonetta, except I leaned Toad. My thought was because Toad seemed slightly more original as I am still in mild disbelief reacting to the e3 announcement. "They made this into his own full-fledged game?? That is GENIUS!!!

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#6

Sampras commented on Review: Another World - 20th Anniversary Editi...:

@Kisame83
I see.
We can agree the term "business practice" is very general. What a business charges for a product can be considered a business practice, I guess, especially if there's a consistent pattern to their strategy.

But I'd point out that a company's business practices include whole range what they do and what they don't do.

For example if a company owns a media company and consistently spreads negative rumors and biased negative opinion about it's competitors, that would be a factor to whether a consumer would want to financially support that kind of behavior or not. In that sense there's a little bit of personal ethics involved with decisions to buy from one company or another.

On the other hand if one company is consistently pushing the envelope for creating innovative gameplay and focusing on overall experience rather and staying away from the political campaign-style negative attacks on its competitors, then that again is a business practice that a consumer can decide to financially support or not via buying their products.

Does a few bucks outweigh some of the other worldly ethical issues? That is yet another consumer decision that they can weigh in on via their purchasing behavior.

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#7

Sampras commented on Review: Another World - 20th Anniversary Editi...:

@electrolite77
Take it easy. I was responding to your comment "Some people just don't like being ripped off and want a better deal. It's called being a consumer."

From that I inferred that you are implying that "being a consumer" by definition means acting according to what is cheaper at sale price."

That is ONE WAY of behaving as a consumer, but consumers are just people. And people make decisions according to all sorts of motivations - not just looking at sale price.

I hope that clarifies things.

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#9

Sampras commented on Review: Another World - 20th Anniversary Editi...:

@electrolite77
I'm afraid you're making the mistake in assuming all people who buy things behave and think the exactly the way you do.

I suppose if one ONLY values money in all of life, then yes, looking ONLY at price to determine action makes sense. But for people, saving a few bucks is not the only thing that has value in the world.

Now back to the game in discussion...

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#10

Sampras commented on Review: Another World - 20th Anniversary Editi...:

I suppose if one ONLY values money in all of life, then yes, looking ONLY at price to determine action makes sense.

There are also those who value other things in life such as tactile quality, ability to share in community/family, audio quality as relates to the system hooked up to, not to mention supporting certain business practices and encouraging certain values exemplified in certain companies. If none of that sort matters to an individual, then I can see why price can dictate purchasing behavior.

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#11

Sampras commented on Review: Another World - 20th Anniversary Editi...:

Is this game called Another World or Cross-buy? With the amount of talk on here about the later, you'd think people forgot to talk about the game.

Anyway, Let's see if I get a relevant response to this. If I want to play this game and have it in a format that is known as Nintendo's eshop and on their hardware, because I choose to of my own free will and without instantly being judged as "duped" or "fanatical", how is the game?

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#12

Sampras commented on Feature: Our Top 10 Wii U eShop Games - Summer...:

Trine 2 is extremely high quality in numerous ways. I don't think the fact that it's not an exclusive takes away from it's sheer quality.

Kudos that this list recognizes the originality of Spin the Bottle though.

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#13

Sampras commented on E3 2014: Zelda Wii U Looks So Great You Really...:

E3 = first time I saw this in motion. I literally could not believe how good it looked as my jaw dropped to the floor and I repeatedly interjected, "NO WAY!....how could they...NO WAY!!!"

My hat is off to them as a fellow designer and appreciator of design and art!

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#17

Sampras commented on Poll: Have Your Say On The GamePad's Role With...:

By the way, the gamepad is stunningly underutilized. Oh well, big third party developers will soon learn that their factory mentality will become extinct when all the indie developers have all the creative ideas, are willing to think outside the box, and are getting better and better at making games.

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#20

Sampras commented on Developer Interview: PhobosLab on XType Plus, ...:

Indies play to the strength of Nintendo and especially Wii U.

Indies typically rely more on originality, rather than huge budget flash.
Indies typically can afford to focus on the game experience (partially due to less pressure to make payroll and make a "safe" game).

Like the indies, Nintendo focuses on originality and innovation rather than pure horsepower.
And like the indies, Nintendo focus on the game experience (all they do is make games and they don't have to worry about side all the other things their competitors have going on).

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#24

Sampras commented on Feature: Time to Vote For Your Game of the Yea...:

If it weren't for Super Mario 3D World being so dang fun for multiple players even at different experience levels, I would HAVE to nominate The Wonderful 101 as best overall Wii U game out of sheer game design and wealth of wonderful ideas!

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#25

Sampras commented on Poll: Nintendo and the Wii U Fight For Your At...:

Most people are not early adopters. With so few games for launch for ps4 and xbone, most people will wait till they come out with games that catch their eye before considering to purchasing one.
Wii U on the other hand, have passed their early adopter phase. This holiday season will interest more middle adopters with a slew of quality 1st party titles and then some.

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#28

Sampras commented on Performance of Batman: Arkham Origins Wii U Ve...:

@creative92
Can't come up with creative ways to use the gamepad? Oh come on! Where do I start?
How about put it beside you and use it like a shifter in a car by drawing shift motions on the screen?
How about using it in conjunction with the tv for surprises and scares in horror games?
How about using it in a game like star fox to view around your cockpit in 3dimensions?
How about drawing on the screen?
How about using the gamepad like a mouse for selection in rpgs?
Foosball was really creative in wii party u.
Okami-like commands in W101 were creative.
Trauma Team-like games.

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#30

Sampras commented on Performance of Batman: Arkham Origins Wii U Ve...:

@Falchion
Here's the catch 22 you're describing:
1) Nintendo competitors pay so-called "reviewers" to talk trash about Nintendo-related things.
2) Inevitably some people believe these "reviewers."
3) Nintendo competitors achieve less demand for Nintendo.
4) Developers get scared to put the time needed into a port.
5) Start all over again.

It's exactly like a political campaign of BS. The sad part is so many people believe BS.

Sampras

#31

Sampras commented on Performance of Batman: Arkham Origins Wii U Ve...:

@cyrus_zuo
TOTAL negative bias toward Nintendo in American and British media.

By the way metacritic has become a joke. They've basically become for games what Yelp has become for restaurant reviews. Most sane people will give a 10s and 9s, then they'll have a trolls who gives it 5s and 6s just to bring their average score down. Take all Nintendo related scores with TON of salt, because of the looney toon "reviewers" out there.

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#32

Sampras commented on Performance of Batman: Arkham Origins Wii U Ve...:

@I-AM-REGGIE @SavantSupreme
I agree. People who can not form their own opinions and need others to tell them what to think are weak. Sorry to say, but that's true. But unfortunately the mountain of misinformation leveled against Nintendo is so high, that it's only solidifying my support for the only console system that continually demonstrates a strong independent streak, gaming based on fun, creativity, and inventiveness rather than stooping to relying on rigging media outlets to misinform consumers and developers about their competitors.

In short, seeing all these low blows thrown only makes me root for the only guy who is fighting a clean fight.

Sampras

#33

Sampras commented on Performance of Batman: Arkham Origins Wii U Ve...:

@Einherjar
That's a good point. Even if it were true the Wii U version has more frame rate drops, that doesn't mean the Wii U is to be blamed. How about the developer?

By the way I haven't noticed any horsepower issues at all. And I certainly haven't noticed any horsepower issues to claim, as one reviewer said, the Wii U version is "not recommendable".

That's just pure inventing a problem to blow out of proportion.

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#34

Sampras commented on Performance of Batman: Arkham Origins Wii U Ve...:

@AdanVC
It's a media-induced condition. Competitors pay to FLOOD media outlets with biased and negative opinions about the state of wii u 3rd party support and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, because, lo and behold the continuous stream of BS scares off companies from making quality games in the first place, let alone allow consumers to buy them.

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#37

Sampras commented on Talking Point: Why Interactive eBooks are a Pe...:

It's funny (or sad) how some people get a knee-jerk reaction against reading! 999 is heavy in reading but everybody loves it. Besides, comic books, manga are books and the minimally literate crowd don't mind them. In short, it's how entertaining and tailored to the Wii U console that would determine how people will receive it.

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#38

Sampras commented on Poll: How Important is Dual / Second Screen Ga...:

I can think of tons of really cool ways to integrate usage of the gamepad! For the most part Developers haven't scratched the surface of the usefulness and coolness of the gamepad yet with the exception of Game & Wario, W101, NLand.

Just imagine using the gamepad in horror game genre, racing, puzzle, rpg, mystery, drawing, how about Trauma Center, I can go on and on - I can't believe so many developers put the game map on there and call it a day. Use some creativity, people!