Cool stuff in general but also I'm just feeling 'meh' about it all lately. Frankly there is just so much out there, I feel like new expensive consoles is almost too much, I've barely covered a fraction of the other HD consoles, plus all the other PC, online and mobile stuff (the good things here and there). I think this 'generation' is going to see a bit of a tough sell due to oversaturation soon; I can't be the only one feeling this way. Especially If you don't have much money theres already so much to choose from.

That's too bad, I'll have to save my money for more ps4 games then. With a game it's still a lot more but the WiiU is just not a value proposition by todays standards and their botched launch still hasn't renewed my faith at all. They're operating at a VERY small loss with it (production anyway, poor sales is another story) obviously that's been their strategy since the Wii; stripped down console means immediate profit no matter what the sales numbers but it backfired this time. To come to HD late and still try to underperform and wow us with another controller update is just not enough, the games needed to be top notch and ready at launch so this could end badly. It's time for REAL damage control. BIG price cut (take a bigger loss like ps2 did at first) and then pump money into those dev teams to get this game stuff out yesterday. Time to take responsibility for what you screwed up N.

@krunchykhaos
Nintendo has never been anything like part of a 'mature' market, it barely exists with consoles at all and if it does Nintendo is the last machine to be part of it (as in sexual content). Golgo 13, Conker, 007games? Hardly a watershed of content in gaming. If you're over 8 years old you've never looked to Nintendo for sexual content.

Weird how some people here are so in denial. I love Nintendo too, but theres no argueing that this launch has been pretty screwed up. claiming that delays are "necessary" for a better game is ridiculous. Proper managed, scheduled time for projects is what makes better games, not missed deadlines, and scheduling mishaps and ignoring consumer trends for years. if someone says "I'm going to make you some breakfast", and then says "it was neccesary to delay your breakfast to make sure the eggs were completely cooked".
If you want to promise me a nice breakfast, friggin get up a little earlier or ask someone how to make eggs and bacon before you promise me anything! All that tells me is that you don't know how to cook and you're a slacker, whether or not that's true.
I won't make excuses for why you do things late, and why you thought that nothing would be different about a totally different system. HD is NOT a buzzword; it means "high definition" it's a resolution standard and takes lots more power and time to design games that render in HD, it's a real thing and it has been a standard for a while now. Why should we give Nintendo a big break on being so late to the modern standard for games AND film.

I was a pretty big fanboy and I still am for 3DS but like others here after a few years I kept seeing all the xbox could do and felt sick of waiting for Nintendo to do something so I got one. Now that I saw whats possible when you keep up with what people want I'm not locked to Nintendo consoles anymore and I'm all for a PS4. WiiU screwed up pretty bad and I tried to like it, but if support continues to wane anyone on the fence won't even want it as a 2nd console and that's dangerous odds for N. Needs real support and a big price drop soon to try and save it. Pachter is dead on, you're fooling yourself if you believe otherwise.

Jeziz, some serious rabid fanboys here. So if things had gone differently and they released a POWERFUL Wii HD with wiimote controls only, you people wouldn't have run out and gotten that? I would have preferred that. Then we'd get the HD gaming we've waited at least 4 years for, great wiimote controls and all the multiplat titles the other guys get. whats not to like?
The gamepad was not impressive enough to sell it to me and the games weren't either. It's too late to ditch now but it really wasn't figured out why we'd need one soon enough for anyone to care now. There should have been a pack-in game that showed it off and brought people in, too late for that now.

How is this article ignorant or misinformed or anything like that? Nothing is off here. It isn't being used well in upcoming games (or current ones), and it's not selling well, straight up observations. And it is cheaper. I'd go buy one today if it had some more RAM, storage and no screen. Wii HD is all we wanted and we got a Wii with a crappy android tablet and moderated chat with millions of other 13 yo's. This article is right nintendo killed it themselves. Only hope left is a price cut, and open up the E-shop wide and hope the indies have some use for it. with PS4 at 400 the Wii U needs to go down to at least $250 to make me notice it again.

Kinky and Nintendo? it's like saying Tetris is super violent and graphic. Nintendo is historically farther from kinky than RuPaul is from straight.

Just saw the X trailer but it's too late to re-vote! Thats a system seller for real. one of those at launch would have skyrocketed this thing.
otherwise it's 101 for me. it's a perfect molding of the Nintendo aesthetic and a more futuristic robot thing. That was a system seller for me but with nothing else I still couldn't justify 350$ so I'm still waiting for more.

This looks as tight and fun as the other 3D marios but I'm still concerned about the stubbornness with old character and object models. Isn't it time to update some of the visuals at least a little?
I keep thinking they'll hold on to the art style and finally update the graphics to add some detail and physics properties to the environments. Maybe in the manner of like Ratchet and Clank; Just a little more flourish in the visuals. Would there really be that much of an outcry if it wasn't all just colored orbs and cubes? Seems like it's getting borderline lazy to me, and the last few games have started to feel stale visually. 3Dland was fun but got boring fast because it looks identical to the rest.
Don't get me wrong, Mario 64 set the standard for 3d platformers and it's been tightened and perfected with each new sequel, but I thought for sure an HD Nintendo was going to give us a brand new standard to really step it up and remind us why we should always have a Nintendo just for mario; this still doesn't look like that.

very good point, I've rarely traded in a Nintendo game unless it turned out that I just didn't like it to begin with much. I wouldn't call it a strategy, though, as much as just a claim to greatness. Nintendo probably still is the worlds best with game software, whether you like the family friendly design approach or not, it's just fun stuff. Mario has stood the test of time because they're fun to play again no matter how many times you've won them. I do wish they could branch out a little from the old IP's but I'm still considering a WiiU as a secondary console to a PS4 so I don't miss some of the big titles.

for those who didn't get to go 101 and Pikmin were playable demos at the WiiU experience PRE-launch events, I went to one. They were probably of the more interesting games to be seen there, but then they weren't playable on the crappy gamestop kiosks all along? When I realized they weren't launch games I thought, what is then? Now we get demo's of them plus 2 other retreads playable after what 6 months; oooh how exciting! Seriously you have to be a sheep to still defend this as exciting news. Way too little, way too late. The saving grace here may just rely on how badly the Xbox one does. It's really pathetic what passes as a reveal for Nintendo these days. It's like celebrating skype as a great new feature, like touting oatmeal as the superfood of the future. Let the battle for the underwhelm crown begin!

not surprised but still disappointed. I expected at LEAST this from those ridiculous launch kiosks, and got nothing but cheesy videos and a rayman demo which still isn't released. Nintendo marketing drops the ball again... or still?

lower, more realistic goal. And some real investor funding if it's not just a labor of love. Kickstarter isn't for paying real company salaries. It's nice that it works for peoples great projects but it's still an online bake sale; only treat it as such if you want to do multi-million dollar commercial projects.
I want this game to happen but they need management that knows how this stuff works, and can get real investor funding if they want to really do it. It doesn't bode well for the game that they screwed this part up already.

those poll results say that most of us here are looking for 3DS, don't have a WiiU, or if we do we're not sitting around waiting with bated breath for more classics to play on a brand new shiny HD console.

great, put it to sleep. With the choice it's hard to imagine why one would get it besides the other being sold out. Heres to hoping it's 32 with a game and then add a new one with even more. That was one of my biggest gripes at launch. I know it's expandable but its silly to require you stick things on for the most basic downloading.

If I buy car I expect not to have to buy an trailer just to put my groceries in it no matter how efficient it is.

wow, mostly it's a hard difference to notice but now that I think about it there probably is a slight slower refresh feel to most games, can't even imagine 3d at full speed, can't wait for this.

yeah weird list here. It's like Nintendo Power is living on here. They're all great games, but it's seems like such a classic Nintendo fanboy list, no third parties and E-shop games?
Sakura Samurai, Pushmo, Mutant Mudds, Cave Story, not to mention RE:Revelations, and Lords of Shadow. I don't know if I'd call it a fault or just greatness that Nintendo games still overshadow every 3rd party thing, it's really a shame. As a dedicated nintendo site that's not bankrolled by Nintendo I would hope the writers here could see past some of the arbitrary glitz of the continuous march of Mario games. Am I really the only one totally bored with Mario games now?
Even Kid Icarus was the worst derivative, adolescent nonsense to me but I guess I'm alone there too; I tried but it was too cheesy to handle as an adult. However you slice it the 3DS overall is the best thing that's happened to games in a few years.

it's unfortunate that he's so right and I'm starting to understand the potential benefits of the WiiU's structure for new ideas as a creative gaming focused console, but it's image problems still remain.
The advertising is confused (what there is), and Nintendo failed to properly court developers into working on it. I agree that raw power is becoming moot now, but the similarities in performance and input on the other systems make it easier to develop cross-platform so it's really hard to justify putting big titles on WiiU now that it's moving slowly and tougher to port games over. I kind of want one now but I'm afraid the big publishers will just get more and more scarce on it, which doesn't look good. Enough games like what Shinen makes and I'll get one anyway.

I still have some problems with the WiiU setup in general, this hasn't made them go away, but it really has re-awakened my interest in WiiU. If they can show some truly interesting first party games soon, and anyone else can come up with something cool to do with that game pad I might get one yet. Now nintendo needs to make that tvii stuff work well and release a new version with some storage built in.

agreed with someone above. I'd gladly watch some actor in for Iwata who can speak a little faster and more engaging and produced a little better. More excited for 3ds stuff, but I'd love to be suprised by something that should have come last year like a new zelda U or 3d marioU or something.

of course thats true when going from an sd to an HD system (like VHS to DVD difference, why go back?) on 360 it made sense, even the WiiU i'd understand people using it less (assuming WiiU had some good games of its own, when it does we'll forget about Wii Games).
BUT the 360 has fantastic games and lots of them, and they are already HD and plenty fancy, it's ridiculous to call that based on the state of gaming that long ago (what, 8 years?!). I've lost interest in it JUST on that alone, because I'm still just starting on many of the good 360 games, I won't toss it now. Pretty silly; If there was something more enticing than Skype on offer I would agree but so far it looks about like a faster 360. WiiU suddenly looks like a contender again.

I'm feeling like I understand more the challenge that MS and Sony are facing now. After the reveal, I expected to be excited and sold on it immediately but now I just feel like: why is that better than my current xbox360? I don't think I'm alone in that.
The WiiU has the benefit of the Wii being pretty crusty looking just not being HD so the WiiU is an obvious upgrade, despite it's many problems; If you're somehow 'Nintendo only' you have to get a WiiU.
The other ones, though, just aren't that big of an upgrade without some massive new innovation. the jump from SD to HD is big deal no matter what the console, after that, it takes a lot more and people are not feeling spendy right now. Then NOT being backwards compatible, AND no used games?! that's really, really dangerous.
I don't see how they thought this would be impressive. That launch basically said: it's an xbox, but better with a cooler kinect, it has skype, and a cable box, and you can't play any of your 'old' stuff at all, and even the new used stuff you have to pay extra for. Thats downright warning bells to me "do not buy!" even though I wanted to love it.
After all my hate on the WiiU its starting to look a lot more appealing now (and PS4, also). bring on Mario and Zelda and I'll cave eventually. I still think it should have launched a year earlier and there are some big problems with it (storage? no BluRay/DVD? slow loading? high DL prices?)

I was ready to be excited but really backwards compatability is a big deal. I was saying days ago to a friend that if it doesn't have it it may be out for me. I'm new enough to xbox and theres so much to play why would I dump it so I can use skype on my tv and pay crazy prices for some shiny war games I can talk to? Why do they think skype is such a big selling point?
PS4 looks nicer to me now and WiiU too, if they can bring some really nice games soon. I'm not sure playing old Wii games is a huge plus but there are still nice prospects especially if the price goes down, might as well get both of those some day.

yeah, because everyone wants a deal on a "next gen" console with all kinds of downloadable junk and no storage. Lower the price of the other one and drop that useless white one for good.

that reggie pic never gets old.

as Tom said this was aimed at existing WiiU owners which isn't exactly the right approach right now. Basically "please don't tell anyone about any slight disappointment you might have". The Wii never had any such problem because people were freaking out about the cool controller, that's why so many bought it fast (later some disappointment came from 'core' gamers, but it sold).
The WiiU has no such appeal so it's it's strange that they're still expecting random iphone users to suddenly want one (judging by the content) but also expecting it to look all 'next gen' to hardcore gamers, which it just doesn't.
If you own one you'll probably argue that it's fine that it's not all "hardcore", sure that's cool, but just who IS the WiiU target audience? I feel like I have a little bit of both of those targets in me and it's not quite satisfying either one clearly.
These directs are just weird to me; who cares about these trickles of info about things announced a year ago besides us Nintendo nerds on this site? They need to make some real ads for the masses and stop with these weird fan service home videos until the system is actually selling.

I played it at a pre-launch event and it was one of the most interesting things there, but I didn't see it at launch another reason I've waited on WiiU. It's really sad to hear this as it really would have helped sell systems and it's the best use of the Pad that I saw. I'm still baffled why it's taken this long to release it, sad times.

The WiiU is neat and all but it won't sell itself. This is all compounded by nintendos poor/ lack of good advertising. If you all think the ps4/durango won't be popular for whatever reason a little good advertising will change all that VERY fast and Nintendo's problems will multiply tenfold. Maybe theres good WiiU stuff now? No one knows about it or gets it, including me. I haven't been sold on it and I already wanted to love it. I went to pre-launch events, followed every Nintendo announcement here and nothing wowed me and I had to look hard to find it as an already long time fan. I've lost faith and all it took was a little easy look around what else is out there and Nintendo's failure to live up to their own promises.
Those launch games were weak and the ones I liked still aren't out after 6 months. The 3DS games are better and 3DS had a rough launch too for the same reasons WiiU did.

Handheld is VERY different, though, and Nintendo has owned the handheld market for over a decade and even that market is splitting up thanks to cell phones. the Casual market has plenty of cool devices to satisfy now, and WiiU has no innovative silver bullet that Wii did. It's a dangerous game their playing. I'm still onboard if I see an impressive 1st party game soon but it doesn't look promising.

being defensive about naysayers is just that. We have clear reasons for concern. I don't owe Nintendo anything they need to earn my dollars if they want the fans, and they've been sitting back ignoring the trends for too long. HD and the internet are not new by any stretch and they need to recognize that and really bring it now, and not act like everything is done and paid for.
clear Advertising, lower prices, 1st party classics that really show off that tablet thing, and good will to 3rd parties. Making it "easier" for kickstarter funded games to get on e-shop is not real support. Real, promotional, pricing, subsidizing, collaboration, development support. and new management for petes sake.

This is a cool idea but this video is already more smart advertising than Nintendo would ever put into it. I'd get one in a heartbeat, just knowing Nintendo had woken up and realized what decade it is. Unfortunately it won't happen unless a few people at the top retire and get someone born after 1970 to help run things.

great, it took 30 minutes to talk really slowly about 4 or 5 games we've either already played or have already been promised since launch. this is more deflect than direct. Just wait until there is actually something new to tell us about or it just looks bad. So glad I got a 3DS and waited on WiiU until it's dirt cheap next holiday, or there is some (very likely) better system.

if you look at both campaigns they show the exact same amount of money having been raised so far; I don't think they are separate fundraisers as this site has reported, but it is odd that they can have their own site showing it as an independent fundraiser if it's actually a kickstarter campaign.
Still if this is the only place I've heard of any of it, I have doubts it will raise so much that quickly. It's just an unrealistic goal. Raise 100k or something then find the rest later, or you'll never reach your goal; Kickstarter is not a church collection plate.

can't say I'd like to see Mario on an Ipad but it's a little foolish to pretend that it's not competition. Sure if you like real games you'll go to a console but good luck bringing any new consumers away from a tablet/phone to a console for it's all-in-one appeal.
Also silly to jump all over anyone for thinking this. If you don't see the relevance of mobile devices than you haven't left your house in a long time. Even a pile of poop could be considered relevant competition to consider if that many people are paying for it and raving about it.

not a U turn, just another rational measured comment that comes from the same place many of us are in regarding disappointment in what happened with WiiU. Weird how anything but falling over praise is pounced on at this site.

Clearly people have some personal fear about this when people go out of their way to defend Nintendo about this with all these excuses about: "oh, Nintendo didn't say or do anything, their defending what might possibly be a loss of sales, outrage, angry mobs. Intolerance is just part of their unchanging, 'ancient' Japanesy culture that they have a total responsibility to uphold to the highest standard in every cheeky, fun, sim game". You can make excuses until you're blue in the face but the fact is Nintendo has only recently bothered to get on patching ANY games and they do so begrudgingly, this is not a game breaking glitch by any stretch of the imagination, and more importantly the game is immensely popular in Japan and people have celebrated this feature in the game NOT risen up in anger, it's not likely to loose ANY sales (gain some if anything, from the people who don't already have it.) Many people were drawn to this game because of this feature there. it IS Nintendo that sees this as possible controversy and as a producer of such a cheeky, entertainment that is a window into the culture, this is one of the reasons a culture stays marred in the past. It is their choice to make, and though it was safe to move into the modern age on this one they choose complacency; ignorance. It's just sad; There is no rational defense for it.

Ah so this is just the usual behavior of Nintendo jumping up to patch a devastating, game breaking glich in a game, following a long history of doing everything in their power to do a simple patch to big annoying bugs in their games.
give me a break guys. I get why they're doing it, but it doesn't make it ok. Bigotry is not cool, I don't care what "exotic cultural thing" people want to think it is. Nintendo is just living in the past (on more than just this).

this is a weird way of doing it. I don't have a problem with Kickstarter but people need to be realistic with their goals. It is still essentially a form of donation. You can't start producing massive products where you expect to pay a team of employees like its a full time job with kickstarter. the point of kickstarter is to raise money by contributors because you are passionate about something and you have no other means of finding that money. I do cool artwork that I love for a living but I can't ask people to pay me full time through kickstarter for every weird art project I do, it gets kind of old.
I love Eternal D but this campaign is a little ridiculous. They need to just find some real investors like the rest of us for a product that big. It's not like it's saving starving kids or something.

@andrea987
weird. I don't get the misquoting to make a point thing. Is that supposed to be a jab or something? It's great that you enjoy your WiiU if that's what you're saying, I'm only worried about the poor choices Nintendo is making because I love what they have done for game design over time. I'm sure there are some fun times to be had with a WiiU but they're not exactly making the best choices to stay relevant long term right now. For us here that may not matter, but in the industry as it is now, they're just not alone anymore.

this industry is too big and too expensive now to ignore what each console can handle. If you can't survive and keep up with what the market demands than you can't be around to make "games" at all. Nintendo makes great games, and no longer understands how the console market operates in the west. it's sad, I lament the old days too, but that's just what they are; the old days.
development tech runs in the similar cycles as the hardware that runs the final games so if one console is not up to snuff with multiple others it just WILL not get the same attention. That is what Nintendo signed up for AND they didn't have their own great software ready to pick up that slack so things don't look good for WiiU. I wanted to love it, but I'm disappointed.

these are valid points mentioned here. If you're all so happy about the WiiU just be glad they even bothered to mention it, most media hasn't bothered to go that far, including Nintendo's marketing dept.
I'll give it another year to be 'great' before I consider getting it, but really part of a system taking off is just getting momentum from other satisfied consumers and how many people are freaking out about how great it is? only a few people here.. on this dedicated Nintendo site. Anyway I'll keep quiet now, I don't think I'm liked here when I flame WiiU; I'm just here for 3ds now.

I don't care for the WiiU interface but I'm intrigued. Nice to see Chicago in a game for once, but I agree about it looking like a cheesy mans-world in a cleaned up fantasy Chicago. I guess in the near future this city is not so cheap anymore that the cops got rid of the cheap, fire-sale, chevy SUV's. doubtful.

YAHHHH! multiplayer?! please? this is maybe the best WiiWare game or top 3 at least. awesome news. only thing that would put it through the roof would be online but probably wouldn't happen. very excited for this.

mailbox adventures.

very cool, but not megaman. Wouldn't have been hard to do this and still have the stout aesthetic of real megaman. misguided art direction but I would have still shelled out for it. Why kill things like this?

yeah, this is a great game but I definitely wouldn't say it's the best ever. I liked the ones that took big chances and this did the least of that. Nothing tops SMB3, really, and 64 also is easily one of the greatest games of all time. SMW is a great Mario game but played it too safe to me, and kind of felt like one of the easier ones. Could be my age also, 3 was the pinnacle for the NES and to me the top of that style; I was just ready for new things and didn't get it until mario 64 after that. That's why I don't dig any of the "new" smb games, theres nothing new about them, smoothed out edges and more of the same. World was just the beginning of the "new" smb style brand (to me). It's an amazing and fun formula, for sure, worth playing. I just happen to like seeing a new take every few years.

Between this and the Eternal Darkness sequel news I could well reconsider my rage over the WiiU's lameness. I'll be all about it if they can actually be bold enough to add some detail to the ancient character models. Nintendo; onward into 2005!

I would buy a WiiU for this, fast. first one was amazing.

this kind of thing won't really change until the game development and computer science world in general isn't such a sausage fest. to be Chicken and egg about it, this stuff doesn't help that either.

mind. Blown. must. have. now.

anyone who enjoys it that much as to be real upset about it well... they just saw it now.
for sure the new one looks worse. gives it the feeling that someone is standing there about to do something. Just the tip of the iceberg in terms of really twisted Japanese 'adult' material. It'd be nice if they could just refrain all together with hyper-sexualizing every image of every woman at every age in japanese games anyway, it's pretty old and gross.