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Re: Ubisoft Summer Sale

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If you're considering Rayman, Splinter Cell, or ZombiiU, I'd say go ahead and do it, especially on the first two. Rayman is loads of fun and an all around great platformer. I can't say enough about it. Splinter Cell kept my attention for like 3 months; if you like the genre and enjoy trying to master levels, it's got great replayability. ZombiiU is good too (with a few annoying things about it)... at the prices they're at now, it's kind of hard to let this slip by. That's why I'm going to pick up ACIV. I've never played an AC game, but for 20 bucks, it's a good time to try it out.

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Re: Console Cost of Ownership (and WiiU Price Drop)

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@Uptownsoul: Yeah, it's a fair point. I still don't see the next Nintendo console, whatever it is, debuting more than a year ahead of the next Sony/MS console... unless @DefHalan is right and they go for the mid-term releases. That could actually work since Nintendo's always trying to capture the more casual market. Release the new system halfway through so that you have a high-powered system while the others are working on their NextGens and then you have the budget system when the new ones come out. They could ensure that they have 3rd party support for the life of the console too since they'd have the high-powered machine at first and then upgrade right when the games are starting to surpass its capabilities. I like that line of thinking

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Re: Console Cost of Ownership (and WiiU Price Drop)

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@Uptownsoul I was referring to the yearly pricing for online gaming, so yeah, it didn't mean much in the calculation is what I meant. The life-cycle of Nintendo consoles isn't that different from that of Sony. Xbox doesn't have much of a track record (5 yrs b/w Xbox and 360; 7 b/w 360 and One). If the consumer knows it's going to be discontinued in 3 years like the DreamCast was, then yeah. That'd make a difference. But I don't seriously think the guy walking into a BestBuy and trying to figure out what they want to buy now is thinking about if the system will be around 7 years from now or 6.

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Re: Console Cost of Ownership (and WiiU Price Drop)

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Sony_70 wrote:

JumpnShootMan wrote:

@Sony70: I won't argue with the price of the HDD though I think you can think you can get it cheaper than $60. BUT I think your pricing assumes only one year of the online services? If you extrapolate for the life of the console, the price skyrockets for PS4 and XBoxOne

Yeah but I'm going with the initial pricing upon first buy. For xbox lve you could always use bing rewards to get gold for free.

I wasn't aware of that. That's cool that you can do that. But how much do you have to spend to get XBox Live for Free?

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Re: Console Cost of Ownership (and WiiU Price Drop)

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@uptownsoul: The Wii was released in 2006, with the WiiU being released in 2012. That's six years, so that's not way off. Besides that, the life of the Nintendo console doesn't mean much because you're not paying a monthly subscription. It's the life of the others that matters more, and those have had a 7 year life-span (2006-2013). Secondly, I didn't save WiiU owners any money when I said $500: Console, 300; Pro Controller, 50; WiiMote, 40; Headset, 20; 500GB of storage, 45; Sony Blu Ray, 50. That's $505, right? In fact, I added $50 to the WiiU by assuming that the consumer didn't have--and would want--a BluRay.

So lets talk PS+. I've never had it, so I don't know the ins and outs of it. I calculated it based on a $60 a year commitment for 7 years, which was the most accurate price point I could come up with in a quick check. I'm all ears if you can tell me why that's wrong. And yup.... free PS4 games, so that definitely adds value there. My only question is (a) are they games people really want and (b) is it worth the money to get games you never ask for vs. keeping the money and the freedom to buy the games to you want? That's something that hinges primarily on what games they are and who you are as a game.

And I agree on the games library. We can't be sure we'll get sequels, but we don't know we won't. If the install base of the WiiU picks up--or if PS4/XBox have similar struggles (and some think they will), then it'll be more likely. And besides--even though I know a lot of people won't care--I can guarantee that PS4/XBox users won't be getting any Mario/ Zelda/ Metroid/ Donkey Kong/ Pikmin/ Bayonetta/ SmashBros/ MarioKart, etc.

You said earlier that value is a subjective term, and I agree 100% with that. I'm not saying that no one should buy PS4 or XBox. I'd get one if money weren't involved, just so I could be sure I'd get all the AAA titles. It's obviously about the games library and the sevices. But at some point the difference between the $ commitment has to play a role for the undecided gamers.

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Re: Console Cost of Ownership (and WiiU Price Drop)

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@Sony70: I won't argue with the price of the HDD though I think you can think you can get it cheaper than $60. BUT I think your pricing assumes only one year of the online services? If you extrapolate for the life of the console, the price skyrockets for PS4 and XBoxOne

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Re: Console Cost of Ownership (and WiiU Price Drop)

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@Brooks83: Fair point. I still think Nintendo would benefit from consumers viewing PS4 or XBONE as a $1000 commitment, even if they view the WiiU as a $500 console. So why isn't it something that the video game media has picked up on? Or at least something that Nintendo fans don't bring up when the inevitable console argument comes up?

@ferthepoet: Of course each console has its own library of games and each individual console offers its own experience. So no, you can't really get an exact equivalent experience. I didn't mean to imply that if I did; but this is the price comparison if you're trying to get the same capabilities on each system. You won't get all the AAA titles on WiiU (but you will get Call of Duty, WatchDogs, Assassin's Creed, Splinter Cell, etc), but you won't get Nintendo games on the others, and I think that that would be a compromise a lot of gamers (people not dedicated to any of the big 3) would be willing to make.

Anyways, I think you can play most if not all of the games on WiiU with the Gamepad, a Pro Controller and a WiiMote. At least all the games I own (that aren't Wii games) don't require the nunchuck without supporting the Pro Controller. And I don't think most consumers care that much about Region Locking; that's been widely debated with hardcore gamers on both sides of the issue.

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