The Wii version wasn't bad. As a Sensible Soccer clone it ticked many boxes. For those looking for a FIFA like experience though, look elsewhere.

While I think PETA go over the top they do have a point. Would it be acceptable if a section of this game involved being a slave trader, and throwing pregnant women overboard?

Possibly related to the Runner 2 crashing problems? Gaijin said yesterday that the problem only affected retail Wii Us and so may not have been their fault.

You can't polish a turd.

So it doesn't work if your Wii U is connected via WiFi?

I feel so grateful to him that even though I bought it on my Wii U yesterday, I'm going to pick up the PS3 version too.

57 blocks? I can't believe it.

Considering Ubisoft have already said there is an improvement in AI on the PS4 version this is surprising. I wonder if, when this sells many more copies on PS3 than PS4, Ubisoft will panic and scale back development.

As for sony, I know seven years ago was a long time ago but I can't believe they can't remember that having simultaneous releases on both PS2 and PS3 impacted PS3 take up. Oh, but of course, the PS4 version in this case has immersive touchscreen features. All, what 1" of it?

No native backwards compatibility, and not being able to transfer/play PSN purchases on the PS4 will be a difficult sell.

The fact that they are already announcing games like Watch Dogs will ship on PS3 AND PS4 shows that Sony have learned nothing from the previous generation transition.

I still remember Burnout 2 very fondly on the GameCube. Criterion are an excellent developer.

It was a shame that their owners pulled them away from developing for Nintendo consoles. Nice to see that they have once again made the extra effort with a port to a Nintendo system.

Why would this postponement be 'the last thing Wii U needs right now'? The game has been universally panned, and will soon be filling up the bargain bins.

Cancelled my pre-order as soon as the reviews started appearing yesterday. In this case the delay of the Wii U version was very lucky.

How many developers have gone under because of the costs of development for HD consoles? How many will go under because those costs will increase even more for the Next Gen consoles. Microsoft and Sony seem, to me, to be racing headlong into another major crash of the gaming market.

Considering it was delayed, the non-integration of the game with the eShop is frustrating. Hopefully a patch to improve this will arrive in the future.

@JAPBOO from Joe Kane, who produces a range of TV Calibration discs gamma is defined as:-

Gamma The light output of a CRT is not linear with respect to the voltage input. This non-linearity follows an exponential function that is known as gamma. The camera has the inverse gamma of the CRT so that the resulting stage light input to CRT light output transfer will be somewhat linear, given the restrictions of the video system.

For CRT read HDTV - it's an old definition.

Clear now? It more or less boils down to if gamma is incorrect images may look too dark, or washed out.

@Damo same with me. I had to return to the menu and relaunch Trine 2 to trigger the update.

@Sun yes it does - any US program or movie that you watch on broadcast TV is sped up to compensate for the 50Hz issue.

Why does nobody ever complain about movies being sped up in Europe to compensate for the 50Hz issue?

It looks to me like you are just paying the difference between the price of the Wii and WiiU versions to add the extra functionality, or you can choose to keep the Wii versions.

I have over 240 VC and WiiWare games, and look forward to giving Nintendo even more money. I'm upset that it looks like TG-16 games will never be transferred over to Wii U.

@castlezelda they never said the update was unlikely. The previous story was about some DLC.

I'll take a guess at Acid Ghost, which is rumoured to be the game that ONM will have an exclusive on next month.

Already got Bayonetta on 360, and Vanquish on PS3, so probably wouldn't buy again, but I love Platinum Games so never say never. Looking forward to Anarchy Reigns next week, and Metal Gear Revengeance next month.

I can understand if new Wii U owners, who hadn't owned a Wii are a little upset, but this has been on the VC for 6 years - how many copies do you think they will have sold in the last year?

@Scarhino89 once you have purchased a VC game you are free to redownload it, even if it has been removed from the Shop. You just need to go through the 'Titles you've Downloaded' menu.

I am always reminded about the Windsor, Ontario and Detroit comparison in times like this. It is purely down to the American obsession with the 2nd amendment. It is lunacy. Nothing will change.

I thought the demo was fine apart from having to stop every 5 seconds to trace round a picture with my stylus. It interrupted the flow of the game, and how the game designers couldn't see that is a mystery to me.

I've noticed that recently review scores do tend to be migrating downwards across the board, apart from iOS apps. If anybody looked on metacritic over the last year or so they would typically see AAA titles around the 80-90 mark where several years ago, they would have averaged 90+.

Personally, I put it down to the fact that anybody with a PC can start a website, and call themselves a games reviewer.

I can't remember the last time I played a game where I had to think constantly about where to go, whether I had enough bullets, rations etc. Even walking down an empty corridor for the first time, and every beep on the motion sensor leaves me in a state of panic. Run around shooting zombies and being blasé and you will die, often.

@elmobius frozenbyte have already said that the enhancements made to the WiiU version would need to be downscaled for the other consoles, plus they are promising further graphical improvements in the December Update.

They picked a display that has very low latency for this test, so in reality it is even better than most HDTVs.

For people who are having lag issues, make sure that the input your console is connected to is set to 'Game' mode - on some TVs it makes a significant difference. Sorry if your granny already knows etc.

Well my preorder from Grainger Games didn't turn up in the shop. Annoying thing is I cancelled a very early preorder from Amazon so I could support a local retailer.

It would have been nice if they'd spent the time to make a 10 second phone call earlier in the week to save me having the day off work.

These face offs are interesting. When the PC version of a multi format game is appalling they blame the programmers. When it is one of the consoles they blame the console. As people have said the differences look fairly negligible - it's certainly not the disaster some PS3 ports have been. Not to mention the PS3 version of this has already been patched twice. What's to say a WiiU patch won't improve performance further.

Eurogamer seem very proud of this cheap PC they've built. Now if they can squeeze it into a sleek little box that people would be happy to sit under their TV with no performance/overheating/noise issues they would be on to a winner.

@adrenochrome i don't think side by side is any more processor intensive. There has been no performance hit in the XBox 360 titles that use the same method. The only downside if a loss of horizontal resolution when compared to frame packed 3D.

To clarify what I meant, with anaglyph, both the TV and gamepad will display what is essentially a monochrome 3D image. With side by side mode enabled only the TV will display a 3D image, but the gamepad will remain 2D as it is not 3d capable, in the modern sense of the term. With passive glasses this would be OK, but with active the different refresh rate of the gamepad compared to the active screen would cause an uncomfortable flickering effect with the glasses. As an example try looking at a mobile phone or similar when watching an active 3D TV.

Anaglyph is vastly inferior to the polarised 3D technology used in the cinemas from the 1950s, and the active technology on most 3DTVs today.

Apparently the WiiU version does support the types of stereoscopic content that works with passive and active TVs such as side by side and top/bottom, but it would be very uncomfortable to use these options when using the gamepad in conjunction with an active display.

@Lan it was obvious to me. In fact I suggested it myself in post 131 of this thread:-

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2012/11/wii_u_software_storage_on_usb_devices_detailed#comments

@Rect_Pola it looks very much to me like that will be the case. The SD card menu option is still there on the Wii mode that you must switch to to play WiiWare and Wii VC. Whether the Wii u will still only allocate around 2200 'blocks' of the internal memory for the Wii mode, and the SD card menu is still restricted to 240 slots is unknown, but I think highly likely.

@Sean_Aaron I've come to the same conclusion that the SD card slot is purely for the Wii backwards compatibility. I was hoping that I would be getting a new fridge - to use Nintendo's old analogy, but it looks like I will be having to make do with the old one.

What I suspect will be possible is that if you plug the SD card into a USB reader then it will work as extra storage for the WiiU - unless the WiiU tests the write speeds of USB drives before allowing them to be used.

@Ideal_Hero The translation was spot on. What ONM did was read something that quite clearly says one thing, and interpret it as something completely different.

So ONM has now pulled the article. I don't wish to complain about the standards of journalism in the UK but it took me two minutes to find the page on Nintendo's Japanese website and translate it via Google, and then another 30 second search and I found a full, proper translation on another website. It's not rocket science.

@Assassin87 that is certainly the way it reads to me.

It talks quite clearly about USB storage being used to 'extend the main storage memory'. There is no way that ONM story is accurate.

Found this full translation of the support page - there is nothing on there about needing to keep moving data between HDD and WiiU internal memory.

http://nintendoeverything.com/104950/nintendos-full-wii-u-qa-translated/

I am waiting for clarification on which size HDD drives will work, although any USB 2.0 drive 'should'. The only file sizes to be initially aware of are the eShop downloads - Trine 2, for example will most likely clock in at around 2-3GB. Full retail games aren't on my radar unless they are heavily discounted. New releases are 60GBP on PS3 at the moment, but older games are as low as around 10.

For info, the first Black Ops game ran at 1040x608 on XBox360, and only 960x544 on PS3. Modern Warfare 3 runs at 1024x600 on both Xbox and PS3.

You all do realise that just because a console outputs at 1080p doesn't mean that the resolution of the games are 1080p, don't you? Many games released on the XBox 360 and PS3 aren't - for example Dishonored and Resident Evil 6 are 1280 by 720 native, and games like Call of Duty and Tekken Tag 2 are lower resolution.

Very impressed with Nintendo's release schedule for the next two quarters. Some cracking download software. Hopefully the Wii U fill follow suit.

A very sensible way to release some of the more esoteric Japanese games. Wonder why the 4th game hasn't been localised though.

Reminds me of Super Stardust from the few videos I've seen. It would look great in 3D - any word on whether the Wii U version will have a 3D option?

Loved the first one so can't wait for this. Vanquish 2 next?