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AllCreation

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#3

AllCreation commented on Deus Ex: Human Revolution Director's Cut Will ...:

@Nukarmer Do you own a PS3 or Xbox 360 .. I think a lot of people including yourself and these publishers aren't considering that the Wii U came 6 years behind the PS3 And the 360 .. I think a great majority of the people who own a Wii U also own at least one of these two consoles... Its just as likely that a Wii U owner would be playing the game for a second time as well ... also releasing a halfassed or unnecessarily more expensive version of a game on any one system is just going to cause people to buy the better version on their other console or skip the game all together... And thats just one more thing thats Killing the Wii U

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#4

AllCreation commented on Deus Ex: Human Revolution Director's Cut Will ...:

@Peach64 No one had to pay "Full" price for the NSMB Wii U DLC .. and the Wind Waker Game Was priced so high because Nintendo needed to make the Wind Waker HD Console Bundle More appealing.. It was simply because of demand.. WWHD is a more desirable game then Nintendo Land taking a 60/50 dollar game out of the bundle and replacing it with a 20/30 dollar one would have made the Bundle less desirable... Since the Ultimate Goal was to move consoles and increase the install base rather then focus on the individual sales of the game the WWHD price point made sense.

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AllCreation commented on Deus Ex: Human Revolution Director's Cut Will ...:

I'm sure i read in an article not to long ago that the Wii U wasn't going to have any exclusive features though? That they were making sure that the other two systems had the same advantages of the Wii U version through the Vita and Smart Glass? .. If this is true I really don't see how they can justify the price difference. http://www.cubed3.com/news/19011/1/e3-2013-wii-u-loses-another-exclusive-deus-ex-human-revolution-director-cut.html

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#6

AllCreation commented on Soapbox: Why Grand Theft Auto V Isn't For Me:

@AllCreation @DarkKirby As far as race goes, my comment is a matter of statistical fact... If there are more Black People in prison is it racist to say that there are more Black People in prison? Racist Polls maybe biased BUT racist acts committed, reported and documented are another issue in that regard there are in fact "solid statistics to back up that" comment.

"You realize by assuming someone is likely racist because of their race is being racist right? You are judging someone by their race, something they they could not choose, rather than who the person is or how they act" What you're doing here with race is the opposite of what you're doing media violence. You're taking the whole of the race and viewing it from an individual stand point. I never said or implied that a specific person from a specific race was more or less likely to do anything. I also never implied that every single child or person that plays violent video games would have a violent reaction. This is more or less the point you've been making and what Penn and Taylor were highlighting as well (although they went to some pretty unrelated extremes and seemed to focus more on the the gamers potential to commit a school shooting.) You said "Crimes happen for multiple reasons. To blame video games as the main cause is foolish." And I completely agree.. to an extent.

BUT my argument IS to focus on the individual, or rather the few as apposed to the many because when you have people like "Joshua and William Buckner, aged 14 and 16, respectively, who used a rifle to fire at vehicles on Interstate 40 in Tennessee, killing a 45-year-old man and wounding a 19-year-old woman" with no motive or reason other than that they "were inspired by Grand Theft Auto" you can't deny that Grand Theft Auto Might have had a bit of a roll to play. In that case the two boys specifically admitted that GTA was the reason and it was the same with Devin Moore and Dustin Lynch, two different children from two different murders.) So to that end, I quote myself and say "Exactly how many murders is an exceptionable number to warrant action in your opinion? do we really need to see "millions of other kids." committing murder before we admit that there might be a problem. Like I said before our responsibility in that regard isn't to the "millions of other kids" that play through the game without committing murder or the "few murderers" that have played the game... its to the victims and the potential victims of those murderers and in that regard even one is far to many."

Lastly.. you said "And when I said, "such subjects used correctly" in reference to racism in a game or other form of media, I meant make the game and story better, not fall on line with widely held beliefs. Any subject, used correctly, can make a story better, that is, if you don't find certain subjects offensive by default." In the case of GTA making the game and story better and using its device satirically are one in the same. That was the point of my comment. Satire must include some degree of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule. Chappelle's Show, Tosh.0, and South Park all very obviously cater to at least one of those devices. In various ways GTA falls short of those examples and fails to use its racist, misogynistic, violent etc themes "correctly". The vast majority of them do nothing to benefit the story or make the game better as they have been reduced to leisure activities outside of the scope of the main game... and implemented with the single purpose of attracting people who like video game sex and violence and for no other reason.

Perhaps it is fair to say that to a certain degree censorship can promote Ignorance... But Perpetuating violence promotes Violence and Murder. Also censorship is merely the restricting of material deemed inappropriate for a specific audience. The material in and of itself could promote Ignorance and/or of course Violence and Murder. Its kind of a two way street in that regard but I'm sure if anyone were asked to make an informed decision (emphasis on the word informed) they would choose possible ignorance over the prospect of becoming a potential murder victim.

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AllCreation commented on Soapbox: Why Grand Theft Auto V Isn't For Me:

@HeatBombastic Exactly how many murders is an exceptionable number to warrant action in your opinion? do we really need to see "millions of other kids." committing murder before we admit that there might be a problem. Like I said before our responsibility in that regard isn't to the "millions of other kids" that play through the game without committing murder or the "few murderers" that have played the game... its to the victims and the potential victims of those murderers and in that regard even one is far to many.

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#10

AllCreation commented on Soapbox: Why Grand Theft Auto V Isn't For Me:

@DarkKirby

Well first the easiest thing to speak on is your assertion that all races are equally racist.. you're actually wrong there. While all racist acts should be punished equally with no regard to race certain races ARE certainly more prone to racism and in any case it is the minority that is most likely to be oppressed.

Secondly .. "Even though I think content in fictional media is irrelevant to real life, even when real life issues are discussed, even if the purpose of the media was to promote behavior I disagree with, I would still not want it censored, because I am for free speech and against censorship" So Just to be clear your Philosophy then is that when it comes to Video Games or rather media in general absolutely NO theme is Inappropriate? Misogyny, Racism, Bestiality, Child Pornography and/or Molestation, School Shootings, Incest, and good ole Full Frontal... Is your opinion honest and truly mean to say that not only should those things should NOT be considered taboo but it is completely okay to Promote these behaviors because "content in fictional media is irrelevant to real life" Oh right and "because (you) are for free speech and against censorship"

Well Here is another scenario for you a like GTA has strip club .. the club has a bathroom.. in the bathroom the stall door say "for a good time call Jon Doe" but then under that YOUR phone number appears.. and... lets include your address too... and just for the heck of it lets throw in your SSN and Banking information.... But even in that case.. Its not real right? Its just bits of code, pixels and sprites "irrelevant to real life" But with more and more of your personal information being displayed to the public eventually the issue would have to warrant action on your part... Although Nintendo, Sony or MS could do it easily, Of course, no video game has ever done this but My point is simply to say that art imitates life and these games do in fact have the potential to effect the real world. The GTA Series on several occasions had such real world effects. They were sued and forced to remove racist content from San Andreas. The game was also removed from some store shelves when it was discovered that a hack exists that allowed players to fully control the protagonist during a sexual encounter. They were also again forced to remove content from their game...

you wrote "I know the difference between real life and fiction, and if there are people who don't, the problem is those people need to be educated on the difference, not that the media that includes subjects people disagree with exists." But GTA 3 was specifically stated by murders to have played a key role in their decisions to commit murder in at least 5 cases in 2003 alone. We don't have the resources to educate or convince every weak willed, impressionable, and/or homicidal (Not to mention those with medical and mental conditions like asperger's syndrome) individual the difference between right and wrong but we can do our best to avoid giving him/her a loaded gun. If censorship could have prevented even one of those five individuals from gaining access to the game or experiencing the violent themes therein resulting in even one less Murder then wouldn't you agree that the censorship was warranted? I mean when you actually have people admitting the game is the reason the committed murder the issue then is not to say that the murder or the media is at fault but to consider the victim and take steps to avoid future calamity.

you wrote "I really don't care what race the protagonist is, or if they are racist, such subjects used correctly can make a story and game better" That has been one of the key factors of my argument here from the beginning. GTA does not use the subjects correctly. Unlike Binary Domain The don't camouflage the issue or highlight it satirically... They Glorify it and boast its inclusion as a selling point.

Also I'd be remiss if i didn't say that I dressed up as a wolf for Halloween last year. My costume was to No extent made of Wolf... Mario fights mushrooms and turtles. There is nothing to suggest he hunts, kills and skins any creature to create his special suit. He literally gets these abilities from feathers, hats, acorns and flowers (or as a gift from toad now an then) not as an award for defeating an enemy.. a game like monster would have been a much better example.... An while I'm on the Topic .. While many Pokemon are based on animals, Pokemon literally stands for pocket monsters... monsters not animals... they are very careful not to refer to them as animals... and there are several Pokemon based on inanimate objects.. For example. a Balloon, a Chandelier, or even an Ice-cream Cone.

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#11

AllCreation commented on Soapbox: Why Grand Theft Auto V Isn't For Me:

@DarkKirby What? The protagonist in majority of the GTA games are minorities what racist themes are you talking about? And I actually posted that second comment before the moderators edited my initial post.. but since they did I'll give you a less graphic abridged version which basically asked if you would welcome DLC that Highlights a Protagonist who is Supremacist and has missions that involve committing violent acts against Black People... And then I went on to ask if you think women are any more or less important than Black People? (I used the term Black People rather than Minorities because I'm Black.. I don't know why the moderators would find That term offensive)

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#12

AllCreation commented on Soapbox: Why Grand Theft Auto V Isn't For Me:

@DarkKirby I'm not picking on you... That was for anyone who thinks that promoting misogyny to Any degree is acceptable. Being in a video game does not negate the real world connotations of the characters actions and behaviors. The backlash of angry people in general would NOT view taking offense to the themes in the aforementioned scenario as "Incredibly Silly" just as we as Women, Fathers, Brothers, Lovers, or Loved Ones should not have scruples taking offense to the games current themes.

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#13

AllCreation commented on Soapbox: Why Grand Theft Auto V Isn't For Me:

@DarkKirby so lets say as DLC they put in a racist mission ... Would you welcome that scenario?? If misogynistic and sexist themes that degrade women are acceptable then racist themes should be welcome as well right? women aren't any more or less important than minorities are they?
Leave the graphic examples at home please — TBD

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#14

AllCreation commented on Soapbox: Why Grand Theft Auto V Isn't For Me:

I had the last one and so I Am going to skip this one. Not because of the violence. That's not really an issue for me. It Never was but misogyny and misogynistic themes make me a little uncomfortable. These games DO NOT highlight those issues satirically but to a larger degree seem to promote them. The fact of the matter is that their portrayal is all too real. Satire requires there be humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule but a scenario where you can pull into an alley a pay a hooker for a quickie has none of those. This is an act that you can perform as leisurely as playing a mini game or fishing in a "Normal" title. It isn't a plot device or gaming mechanic; Its just something sexist that you can do to kill time or show off to your friends that aren't familiar with the series. Its also one of the more popular abilities in the games and a selling point for some, so I'm sure that at the very least GTA V hasn't omitted this "activity."

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#15

AllCreation commented on Dan Adelman - Nintendo is "Very Much Aware" of...:

@electrolite77 Its amazing how you people confuse facts with excuses... But let me help you get yours str8 ...

First of all your quote "As we know Nintendo lacks the Huge Online Capabilities that we see with Sony's PSN and MS's XBLive" This is in reference to the Wii which you should have been able to figure out based on the information that followed the comment.... With Miiverse, Nintendo TVii and a ton of apps The Wii U doesn't have the install base but their offerings are at least on par with what Sony is currently offering.. True its still a work in progress but the only thing the current Nintendo model lacks is a unified cloud based account system... BUT people are still confused as to how Nintedno's system works. It is Not Tied to the console. I own a PS3 and a Wii U and Miiverse and the Wii U's browser make gaming on the Wii U a lot better in that regard... The only advantage of the PSN (besides the aforementioned) is that it has a lot more demos and games because its damn near 8 years older...

Secondly not only do I not blame anyone else for Nintendo shortcomings but I spend the entire first paragraph explaining why u it IS Nintendo's fault. Why they chose to avoid the online gaming epidemic as it was becoming popular. Then I highlight to EA Feud (even thought i went a little off topic) to show that Nintendo Is making a conscious effort to improve its online gaming infrastructure.

O and here's some more you being wrong...

"Also developers seeing a prominent company like EA pull support for what they claimed were hardware issues created a viscous cycle where Games like Devil May Cry, Tomb Raider, and Bioshock Infinite skipped the Wii U altogether."

I specifically highlighted those titles because they were in development B4 the Console was released and during the EA Nintendo feud. Console sales had nothing to do with Square's and Capcom's decision not to release on the Wii U as those decisions were made before the console was ever even released.

"Nintendo messed up. To see them using the switch to HD as an excuse when other companies made it years ago is depressing. They underestimated the resources they would need and failed to support their console sufficiently. Competition for peoples entertainment budget is tougher than ever before and excuses won't do."

Nintendo's decision to remain SD last Gen was not a "mess up." The Slow start of the HD Wii U is a drop in the Bucket in comparison to the Success of the SD Wii. Also the shift to HD (which really only amounts to various projects being understaffed) was only one aspect of the cumulative hindrances that the launch faced, with everything from broken promises to the Japanese tsunami taking a toll. It did take time and resources to perfect Pikmin 3 but Clearly it wasn't the only game that they Nintendo was working on during that the time, as rather than excuses, there will be at least 5 new HD 1st party Wii U games released before Christmas.

"The Account system is only a small example of Nintendo being left behind, but it's a pertinent one nonetheless."

Being different is not being left behind.. Like region locking Nintendo has no obligation to offer an ability which essentially allows you to share your entire digital gaming library with others... judging from this statement "I'm a long term Nintendo fan, bought GB/SNES/N64/GBC/GBA/GC/DS/Wii at or close to launch and for a long time they were by far my favourite games company." You don't even own a Wii U so how would you even know the extent of its online capabilities?

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#16

AllCreation commented on Dan Adelman - Nintendo is "Very Much Aware" of...:

@johndevine 1st of all you wrote "I have two wii u consoles and two 3ds. I would use all of them if my account allowed." are yo implying that you don't use two or three of your consoles because you don't have a unified account? And in response to your "These are my games for my consoles. I have no need to give my games to anyone else. Tell your gf to buy her own games for her own consoles and let us do the same." Comment... just because you have "no need" to give your games to anyone doesn't mean that everyone else is going to follow that same philosophy... what you're doing is like asking Nintendo to take a big pile of money, leave it on a table and walk away... you wouldn't take the money and that's good for you but how many people can you honestly speak for... Do you Honestly believe that everyone would follow your example? and Just to be clear that was my EX so I'm not gonna take offense to that BUT

I have a degree in English.. I know exactly what an account is for but since You seem to be misinformed I've taken the liberty to provide you with merriam-webster's interpretation of the term... Account: A: a record of debit and credit entries to cover transactions involving a particular item or a particular person or concern
B: a statement of transactions during a fiscal period and the resulting balance

(1) : a formal business arrangement providing for regular dealings or services (as banking, advertising, or store credit) and involving the establishment and maintenance of an account; also : client, customer (2) : money deposited in a bank account and subject to withdrawal by the depositor
b : an arrangement in which a person uses the Internet or e-mail services of a particular company

Now there are several different ways to use the word and other definitions for different uses but I've provided you with the ones that most closely relate to the consumer relationship that Nintendo console owners have with Nintendo in regards to online gaming...
Do you see anywhere and any one of those definitions that implies an entitlement on the part of the account holder or obligation on the part of the account provider that would lead you to believe that an account is "For" you to have access to funds, software or information across different venues or on more than one platform or piece of hardware? No because that isn't what its "for." Its "for" you to establish a convenient method of tracking purchases or deposits and accessing funds or proprieties... nothing more. Assuring access to your account and the funds or properties therein is the extent of the account providers obligation to the account holder.

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AllCreation commented on Dan Adelman - Nintendo is "Very Much Aware" of...:

@DarkKirby Making excuses for them? No, I'm Merely stating facts. Have I said Anything that is untrue?

Here are some more facts for you... 1st of all way back in 1988 Nintendo developed a device called the Famicon Modem (Thats right Nintendo was experimenting with online play well before Sony and Microsoft's gaming divisions were even established) It released in Japan with disappointing results costing Nintendo hundreds of thousands of dollars. Then in 1995 they created the Satellaview to compliment the SNES same goal, same failure. The technology and internet capabilities of the time just weren't powerful enough to create a fluid gaming experience. So when MS and eventually Sony came on the scene nearly 6 years later and started to establish their online gaming networks, Having failed and taken several huge losses in the online gaming department (there was also the Nintendo 64DD) Its No Wonder Nintendo was reluctant to follow suit.

Now with this console generation Nintendo was fully prepared to offer a complete and balanced online gaming infrastructure. One that would NOT have been tied to the console and was comparable to that of Sony and MS through its deal with EA. However it became apparent that EA wanted complete control of the Nintendo Network which lead Nintendo to back out of the deal very close to the Wii U's release and ignited the current feud with EA who was completely unprofessional in their negotiations.

As we know Nintendo lacks the Huge Online Capabilities that we see with Sony's PSN and MS's XBLive so in trying to rectify that situation they were in negotiations with EA. The Negotiations Broke down when Nintendo refused to give EA complete control of the Nintendo Network which they had every right to do. But, as result EA completely pulled its support for the Wii U and a great many high profile games that were in development for the system were shelved or given halfhearted port releases.

That would have been fine but EA didn't simply stop there. They slandered the console and allowed Bob Summerwill, one if its Senior Engineers, to make the following statements with out recourse or re-precautions:

"The Wii U is crap,"
"Less powerful than an XBOX360. Poor online/store. Weird tablet. Nintendo are walking dead at this point."
"Nintendo platforms have always been very poor revenue-wise for third parties," claiming, "only Mario and Zelda make money,"
"Nintendo are still operating like it's 1990. They should have 'done a Sega' and offered Mario/Zelda as PS4/Durango exclusives,"
"Instead they make this awful console, and [Wii Street U]. Just stop it! Just make great games!"
"Yep, we've got plenty of problems, but Wii U isn't where that family/casual market is. It's on mobile/tablet now."
"It is an utterly intentional decision to focus our resources on markets which actually matter"

Since the feud with EA concerning the Nintendo Network was generally unknown, in the eyes of the people EA had no reason to make those things up. This lead to consumers believing that the Wii U isn't as strong as current gen tech, when it is in fact much stronger. Also developers seeing a prominent company like EA pull support for what they claimed were hardware issues created a viscous cycle where Games like Devil May Cry, Tomb Raider, and Bioshock Infinite skipped the Wii U altogether. This feud with EA was probably the most damaging aspect of the Wii U launch,

I got a little off topic there but the point is that Nintendo is working to create the kind of online gaming infrastructure that it would have had working EA and Origin but without EA or Origin... Its Not easy Feat and It does in fact Take Time.

Now you tend to take everything I say an warp it to some unwarranted extreme But I never said that anyone's market would collapse. Again I simply stated a fact which is... that it would cost them money... and NO company is going to deliberately and unnecessarily allow itself to hemorrhage money in such an open ended cycle.

And with you making stuff again I need to retort that I didn't say or imply that Nintendo was Poor... I simply stated another Fact ... That Nintendo does not have the resources of MS or Sony... Its not a lie that Sony is about 8 times the Size of Nintendo... And do you honestly that If Nintendo had infinite resources it would have taken damn near a year for them to release Pikimin 3 which was only their 2nd or 3rd 1st party game AND was supposed to be a launch title? Do you think the Wii U itself would have suffered the drought that it did if Nintendo was just sitting on an donkey load of funds and solutions? Why don't you share what your theory is as to why Nintendo with its infinite resources CHOSE to do so little to support the Wii U and release games for the console this Past Year? Improving the Nintendo Network Account system is extremely important but its balanced and functional and constantly improving, for the time being I think that maybe Nintendo has some other areas they need to focus on that take precedence?

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#18

AllCreation commented on Dan Adelman - Nintendo is "Very Much Aware" of...:

@DarkKirby You didn't say they should give games away for free but that's clearly what you suggested..

"There are some people confused about how Steam works. You can only be online with 1 account at a time obviously, but you can download the same game you already purchased on multiple PCs, under the same account and play your games offline (but you have to set Steam to run in offline)."

Now I'd like for you to pull the one where I said or implied "using Steam's policies would cause Nintendo's eShop to be a complete disaster" (that one was you again) If you look carefully and read closely you'll see that the only point you made that I've been arguing against is the one that Suggest Nintendo should allow people to download games on multiple consoles and be able to play them simultaneously... This is very much equivocal to giving away games for free and they should NOT do it. MS and Sony don't do it; you definitely shouldn't be able to do it with a portable console; (Because they're PORTABLE for crying out loud) and you wouldn't be able to do it with a physical copy of the game. It quite simply doesn't make sense or cents for Nintendo to do it and its kind of unrealistic to expect them to.

Now I could go into a whole bunch of history, and facts to help you understand how Nintendo wound up where they are in terms of online accounts an online gaming but that would moot.. The fact of the matter is Nintendo had virtually No online gaming infrastructure when Xbox live and PSN were pretty much fully developed and now they have the eshop.. MS and Sony went through the same motions moving from a console centered infrastructure to an online account based one but it takes time and Sony is a huge corporation over 8 times the size of Nintendo... and MS is much much larger than that.. Nintendo already had a late start and they don't have the resources that the other companies do. So when I say "Nintendo has a much more solid base and there is evidence to show that they are working to improve their online gaming infrastructure" I'm asking you to look at the eshop a year ago and then look at it now.. better yet take a look at it last week.. Miivesre is damn near Facebook now. (well its working on it) and evidence that Nintendo is working to improve our online experience is pretty obvious.

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#19

AllCreation commented on Dan Adelman - Nintendo is "Very Much Aware" of...:

@DarkKirby... My argument is simply that you Paid for it ONCE... why would you think you entitled to more than what buying a hard copy would allow? Explain it to me how this relates to your Car/Bike or Vegan/Meat Analogy? Wouldn't a more accurate analogy is to say that if you pay for a car you should be able to drive it to your friends house and copy it and then switch to offline mode so that you and your friend can both drive the car in two separate directions at the same time? MS and Sony don't even allow you to do what you're suggesting... Why the Hell should/would Nintendo? and as for the the Differences between console and PC gaming Really? .. PC are easily hackable and over ridden.. They are fully customizable and compatibility can be altered at will.. More than likely if Steam hadn't made the choice they made some one would have made It for them.. Several people in one of my facebook groups and Steam accounts and play as much as they like for free Like you they They're huge fans.. Nintendo's console aren't hack proof and in all honest piracy is unavoidable but Nintendo has a much more solid base and there is evidence to show that they are working to improve their online gaming infrastructure but what you are suggesting is tantamount to giving games away for free and they are not in the business of doing that... here are some links... if you're still confused about the difference between PC and Consoles gaming though... http://www.mastma.com/Articles/differences_between_pc_and_conso.htm and http://pc-hardware-reviews.yoexpert.com/pc-hardware-reviews-general/what-are-the-significant-differences-between-pc-ga-1358.html and http://www.life123.com/technology/video-games/gaming-computers/difference-between-pc-and-console-gaming.shtml

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AllCreation commented on Dan Adelman - Nintendo is "Very Much Aware" of...:

@Snkfiend you lost me at the end there... But Of Course it all comes down to the gamers and our individual tastes... But my thing is that when Sony and MS are Virtually Identical how do you choose one over the other and truly justify that choice? It'll more than likely be the system exclusives that pull you but at a certain point even they all seem lackluster or virtually Identical. Sony and MS seem to rely on 3rd party sales to move their consoles Something Nintendo has Never Done... Just as an example if you look at the software pre-order numbers for each console 8 out of 10 of the top 10 pre-order games are 3rd party titles and almost all of these games are also available on the competing console... and a few of those games are even coming to the Wii U but unlike with MS and Sony they are Not the most anticipated games coming to the console.

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AllCreation commented on Dan Adelman - Nintendo is "Very Much Aware" of...:

@DarkKirby you sound entitled... Besides the fact that Steam is PC gaming which is completely different from console gaming... (i mean it really is a whole different world) The huge difference between Steam and the 3DS is that the 3DS is a Handheld Portable Console... You don't go to your friends house or out of town and expect to use a different 3DS to play your games... You're expected to bring the one you own (the one you downloaded all of your stuff to) with you.. there shouldn't be any need to download your games to a second 3DS.. On top of that, Nintendo has download play for several games which lets you play two player games even if only one person actually owns the game. Unless your original 3DS is damaged or you want to use one of your system transfers to say upgrade from a 3DS to a XL there is No Reason Nintendo should grant you the privilege downloading a game you purchased Once on more than one Portable Console... The Wii U is a different Story but even in its case like any other console you shouldn't be able to pay for the games once and play it simultaneously on different consoles. You wouldn't be able to do it with a hard copy so why should you be able to do it with a digital version.

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AllCreation commented on Dan Adelman - Nintendo is "Very Much Aware" of...:

@Kodeen My last comment was for you as well.... I think the point was just to highlight the general lack of originality in the spectrum although its not Always the case (I give props to the one indie games that you mentioned) I have a PS3 and have played all of those games and there's nothing particularly unique or new about them... The primary focus was on the 1st party titles and exclusives of each console in comparison to each other and 3rd party titles as a measure of uniqueness and innovation in terms of game play, concept and story, plot devices, and gaming mechanics.

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AllCreation commented on Dan Adelman - Nintendo is "Very Much Aware" of...:

@element187 Geez.. That was a bit harsh... I do agree to an extent... Oddly enough Nintendo seems to be the opposite of MS and Sony in that with Nintendo games a lot of the time you have the same core characters doing a ton of different things in the way of game play, plot devices and gaming mechanics... Where as Sony and MS will have a different character and/or new IP (Well maybe not so much MS) doing exactly the same things that all of their former IPs and several 3rd party IPs have done in that same regard.

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AllCreation commented on Dan Adelman - Nintendo is "Very Much Aware" of...:

@Bengals76 Since you own one why don't you tell us what makes it a joke? Why would you Not recommend it to some one? This isn't an attack but right now I'm looking at all the stuff you get with the Wind Waker HD Bundle for $299 and then $399 PS4 price tag that doesn't even come with a game and same for the XB1 except its $499 and plus I personally prefer Nintendo first party games So I'm thinking Wii U... So why not?

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AllCreation commented on Dan Adelman - Nintendo is "Very Much Aware" of...:

@MadAussieBloke Sooo true.. I'm on my Third PS3 and I went through 5 PSPs before I finally gave up on them... I also had a Sony Vaio Laptop which I had to send in for repairs 8 times before Sony finally said my Warranty had expired... But in Sony's defense after cursing out several employees and their bosses (The problem of course being that I had to send it in for the same problem 8 times, which means it hadn't actually been repaired the 1st through 7th time) they agreed to give me a Laptop that was significantly better than the broken one for free. Lastly I've never owned an XBox 360 because they had an unprecedented 30% fail rate early on.

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AllCreation commented on Dan Adelman - Nintendo is "Very Much Aware" of...:

@DarkKirby Huh? What makes you think that you should be allowed to pay for a game once and then be able to download it on multiple consoles? You can download any game you like as many times as you like on Your machine.. Sony and MS have it tied to an account so you can log into the system but you can still only play the game on one machine at a time. My ex and I for instance, both used to share my PSN account (Sony used to allow you to use the same account on 5 different consoles but has since reduced that number to 2) Which meant that any time she was playing the game I couldn't... So what the hell is the point? I'll admit its more convenient but its not more secure and your downloads aren't any safer that way either... Eventually I just started a new account. AND How Da Hell does any one go through 5 3DSs. I drop mine off a balcony and left it on the hood of my car and had it fly off on the highway and it still works perfectly save for a few scratches on the cover.... Nintendo is working on improving its online infrastructure But in the mean time what we currently have is secure enough that we don't need to be soooo dramatic.

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AllCreation commented on Dan Adelman - Nintendo is "Very Much Aware" of...:

Just to elaborate on the fraudulent charges thing... Someone had my debit card information and among other things made a bunch of purchases on the Nintendo Network. Nintendo was able to go down the list and tell me every game that had ever been purchased with my debit card And Then they were able to use my NNID and my Wii U/3DS Serial Numbers to see which games were downloaded to the consoles I actually owned and which games were downloaded else where... They put a block on my debit card and in a little under two weeks I had a check for $895.67 as compensation for all of the games that were not downloaded to any of the consoles that I actually own.

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AllCreation commented on Dan Adelman - Nintendo is "Very Much Aware" of...:

I think you guys are mistaken. Nintendo has the ability to reestablish you're account on another console if you send it into them.. At the very least you can keep track of your own downloads through Club Nintendo and/or DDP for the Wii U (if you have it) and you Do have the ability to download any game you purchased as often as you like. Nintendo also keeps a record of every game you download as well and whats more when there were fraudulent charges to my account they were able to see which games were downloaded to my console and which games were downloaded by the guy the boosted my debit card info... If there is a problem with the console all you have to do is send it in to have your account and all of your games reestablished on a new console... If your warranty is up you'll have to pay for a new console but there is no charge for the transfer. You May lose all your save data which truly sucks... But you will NOT lose the ability to download and play any of the games that you've actually paid for due to any degree of system malfunctions. True its a pain and the unified system would be much simpler but Nintendo isn't just telling you to download at you're own risk and leaving people high and dry when there is a system malfunction... Just make sure you tie your Wii U / 3DS account to the Club Nintendo so that all of your info can be tracked.

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AllCreation commented on Nintendo Tested Two Other Zelda Titles in HD o...:

@Senario Twilight Princess had some really great gaming mechanics though... The heightened senses of Link in Wolf Mode were revolutionary... That along with things like the scan function in Metroid evolved into Abilities like Feral senses in the 2009 Wolverine game and eventually the Detective modes in Batman's Arkham series and Heavy Rain.

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AllCreation commented on Atari Founder Nolan Bushnell Claims Nintendo "...:

I understand what you're saying... I think... but I do disagree. Tertris then was equivical to Super Mario 3D Land Now. It was a system seller back when handheld gaming was new. Now a days a game like Tetris is more like something you would find in the IOS/Smart Phone market BUT Nintendo CAN (and does) recreate that KillerApp/System Seller experience the gamers had in Tetris back in the day with games like Animal Crossing, Mario Kart 7, Super Mario 3D Land, Fire Emblem Awakening, etc. etc. etc.

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AllCreation commented on Atari Founder Nolan Bushnell Claims Nintendo "...:

I understand what you're saying... I think... but I do disagree. Tertris then was equivical to Super Mario 3D Land Now. It was a system seller back when handheld gaming was new. Now a days a game like Tetris is more like something you would find in the IOS/Smart Phone market BUT Nintendo CAN (and does) recreate that KillerApp/System Seller experience the gamers had in Tetris back in the day with games like Animal Crossing, Mario Kart 7, Super Mario 3D Land, Fire Emblem Awakening, etc. etc. etc.

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AllCreation commented on Without iOS Support Nintendo "Doesn’t Reach ...:

@Warruz Thank you. These analyst are completely out of touch with lower and middle class budgets if they think a Parent is going to spend $329 on a device that offers Lower Quality Games AND is Much More Expensive and Infinitely More Fragile then what Nintendo is offering.

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AllCreation commented on Atari Founder Nolan Bushnell Claims Nintendo "...:

Just thought I'd back track a little and mention that the Gameboy was about $100 when it first came out and at the time Tetris was at the height of technology. So back then the audience that bought Tetris and the Gameboy were not the casual market you tried to link them to earlier. The People who paid $100 to play Tetris back in 1989 when it was first released were Gamers.

I do agree with you when you say that "what works now might not work tomorrow" But, I'm sure Nintendo will try to incorporate a little bit of "what works tomorrow" when they create their Next Handheld Console, Because I'd like to believe that "One or two generations down the road" the 3DS will be on the road to retirement the same way the phenomenal number 1 selling console in US history (The Original DS) is as we speak. You say that people prefer Consoles and PCs for gaming but the sales numbers say otherwise. I think you maybe a little out of touch with just how "ingrained" into OUR OWN culture the dedicated handheld has become.

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AllCreation commented on Atari Founder Nolan Bushnell Claims Nintendo "...:

you should find the beginning of the conversation before you post a comment. We WERE comparing Home Consoles to PCs and drawing the parallel to the mobile phone vs dedicated handhelds market so the point is very much relevant.

"The convenience of plugging in a cartridge is what made them popular, as well as arcade ports and their own exclusive content. Consoles aren't as convenient as they were since they lost that plug n' play aspect."

I don't understand you're point here. Are you saying because we use a CD instead of a cartridge Home consoles are suddenly Sooo Complex?

"Your right that there are several markets at work and Nintendo isn't just targeting one but the enthusiast market is still much smaller, albeit more reliable. Remember how Tetris helped the Gamboy take off? The mobile market is eating into that part of the mainstream market that would have bought a dedicated handheld just for games like that."

With this comment you're completely ignoring the evolution of gaming. There are NO PEOPLE this day and age that would buy a dedicated handheld for games like Tetris. Those games are indeed now a part of the mobile market along with pong and temple run and various other games where you "match cakes" and do much else in the way of game play. For the umpteenth time I repeat the dedicated handheld market is something completely distinct and different.

"The enthusiast market is still there and likely always will be, but are we enough to support an entire console these days? Handhelds should continue to do well in Japan since they're a lot more apart of their culture, but thats not the case elsewhere. The saving grace is most people don't want to pay premium prices on mobile devices, but the enthusiast market is willing to pay for premium content. All I'm saying is it isn't so cut and dry."

But it is so cut and dry. The answer is YES, we are enough. just as you say its a part of the Japanese culture it is a part of our culture as well... Contrary to popular belief the number one selling console in US history is actually the original DS a handheld selling 57 million units 4 million more than the PS2. AND now, the 3ds is and has consistently been the number one selling system here in the states, month after month. It has already sold enough to the point where even if there was suddenly some grand market shift the console already is and will be profitable. How can you just completely ignore of the all of the sales numbers, gaming phone failures, facts, figures, and evidence that are continually showing that there ARE in fact to separate markets when it comes to indie games on smart phones and dedicated handheld gaming.

Just as a side-note I watch Pachter every week. I find him insightful and unfortunately right a lot of the time... BUT... Bushnell doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

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AllCreation commented on Atari Founder Nolan Bushnell Claims Nintendo "...:

@Ren Your entire statement is completely convoluted so I'm just gonna take it one paragraph at at a time and explain to you everything that is wrong with what you are saying... you said:

"that's a great example @AllCreation because the reason consoles did so well is because of their ease of use/ accessibility to get to the basics that people want faster and cheaper. Ironically that's what mobiles and tablets are now and it presents an interesting option for people who don't want to mess with expensive consoles and exclusive, expensive content but want a LITTLE bit of gaming. (not to mention other things that aren't about gaming)"

Wrong !!There are Only 2 advantages current gaming consoles have over a decent Gaming PC Rig 1) They're generally cheaper and 2) Exclusive content. You are blatantly wrong and I suggest you do sum research if you believe otherwise. And of course I going to repeat That Nintendo isn't targeting ANYONE that "wants a LITTLE bit of gaming". Next you Wrote

"What I'm saying is that DS and mobile games are absolutely the same market and for only recently for the first time. That "casual" gamer that Nintendo arguably created with the Wii is a huge part of their target and when those people don't want to spend crazy money for a quick diversion they likely already have a mobile device that does enough along with other important functions."

This one is easy because I've already said it a few times but the causal gamer that bought the Wii is not the primary target for the 3DS. Nintendo still hope to eventually drag that audience back to some degree with the Wii U but while the 3DS does have the virtual console and now pretty decent Indie Support No One is buying the console for those games. I actually have been agreeing with you the entire time in that casual gamers probably wont by a 3DS but you seem oblivious to the fact (despite obvious statistics) that Actual Gamers WILL and have already bought a 3DS. Its sitting at 33,000,000 in sales right now and its now where near the end of of its life cycle. How many units does the damn thing have to sell to be considered a success? and finally you wrote:

"I'm a staunch console/3DS gamer but the advance of these phones is fascinating to me and though it won't be my game machine of choice for some years I understand why it is for so many parents, working adults, and busy people. I can see how in a couple years it will surely be able to do what a 3DS can plus way more and I won't rule out retiring mine when that happens.
I don't know how this always devolves into "3ds is way better for gaming"; of course it is, why else would I be here if I didn't think that. I'm just saying I think it's naive to pretend that the convenience, speed and power of a great mobile is not part of the consumer choice in electronics."

Yes i agree smart phones are fascinating but they are indeed a different market than a dedicated handheld gaming console. To help you understand lets take a look at a completely different Smart Phone feature, The Camera. These days just about every smart phone has one but that doesn't mean that Canon and Nikon are going out of business. If you're a photographer then you're probably not going to rely on your smart phone's camera when you need to take quality pictures. In that same regard a True Gamer isn't going to settle for Temple Run when he/she wants a quality mobile gaming experience.

Currently smart phones might have a handle on convenience but the existing handhelds we have are light years ahead when it comes to speed and power. Its very unlikely that a phone that does gaming better then the 3DS will appear before Nintendo moves on and releases a better handheld. Besides that history has shown us that Smart Phones that put to great an emphasis on gaming Don't Sell Well. So, I repeat, there ARE two completely different and distinct markets a play here and If the Success of the 3DS isn't enough to help you understand that, Then the failure of Smart Phones who've come to close to crossing into that gamers market (N-Gage, Xperia Play. Gizmondo) should be.

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AllCreation commented on Atari Founder Nolan Bushnell Claims Nintendo "...:

@Ren you're completely ignoring the droves of people called "GAMERS" who actually buy the handhelds TO PLAY GAMES. OF COURSE if you are a "light tech consumer" you're going to choose a Smart Phone over a 3DS but THIS IS NOT NINTEDO'S TARGET AUDIENCE.. Contrary to what you may think there are people who DO "Care About gaming" and that would be the over 30,000,000 people wise enough to realize that a Smart Phone is no comparison to a Nintedno handled that focuses solely on Games and the Gaming Experience. You don't seem to be able to understand that there are two completely different and distinct markets at play here But please believe me when i tell you THERE ARE. Your argument is literally equivocal to implying that Home Consoles are going to become Obsolete because PCs are so Advanced now.

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AllCreation commented on Atari Founder Nolan Bushnell Claims Nintendo "...:

@Ren A smart phone is first and foremost a PHONE, all other features are secondary and unnecessary. Very few people especially ADULTS place emphasis on the gaming abilities of their phone before they make a purchase. Even the camera is given precedence in that regard. All of the major Phones that have tried to heavily incorporate gaming as a feature have failed horribly. Gizmondo, N-Gage, Xperia... ETC.. AS i previously Stated:

"I'm Soo sick of the Handheld vs Smart Phone/Tablet debate. The portability, the connectivity, the experience, the quality, the GAMES... ITS NOT THE SAME. Smart Phone games are noticeably lacking, tablets can be incredibly expensive (i paid well over $700 for my Ipad) and their games are generally of lower quality as well.

The fact of the matter is that If the handheld market was in such dire straits then the 3DS wouldn't be the number on selling console in the world right now. And whats more, is that the bulk of the sales for both the 3DS and Vita are coming from Japan who have much more advanced Smart Phones and Tablets available to them than we have here in the States."

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AllCreation commented on Atari Founder Nolan Bushnell Claims Nintendo "...:

I'm Soo sick of the Handheld vs Smart Phone/Tablet debate. The portability, the connectivity, the experience, the quality, the GAMES... ITS NOT THE SAME. Smart Phone games are noticeably lacking, tablets can be incredibly expensive (i paid well over $700 for my Ipad) and their games are generally of lower quality as well.

The fact of the matter is that If the handheld market was in such dire straits then the 3DS wouldn't be the number on selling console in the world right now. And whats more, is that the bulk of the sales for both the 3DS and Vita are coming from Japan who have much more advanced Smart Phones and Tablets available to them than we have here in the States.

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AllCreation commented on Talking Point: The Wii U May Be Playing Catch-...:

@Minny You make a lot of very valid points and I agree with you in many places. But, Well as is the norm for Nintendo Third party titles don't generally sell well on their console's. It's more because of Nintendo's decision to target families and younger audiences than anything and of course if you can purchase the same game on a more powerful system the you probably will. But the poor sales of EA games on the Wii had no bearing on Nintendo negotiations with EA and certainly in no way justifies the slander. EA was well aware of the poor sales of its games n the Wii and the negotiations were in fact supposed to prevent that from reoccurring on the Wii U...
And OF COURSE Nintendo is having trouble with their online infrastructure right now... That Was The Single Most Important Part Of Their Partnership With EA... When they left Nintendo had to basically start from scratch... EA was just greedy. Having complete control of the Nintendo Network would have all but put Valve out of business and that is the angle that EA was trying to work.. EA would have become a Super Power but Nintendo wasn't having it. So EA threw a tantrum took all of their toys and went home... Which is fine except of course for the SLANDER... There are still people to this day that believe that the Xbox 360 is twice as powerful as the Wii U... Which brings me to the place where i agree with you most.. Nintendo needs to get on the ball with marketing and advertise this Console and more importantly the exclusive games. Its the one advantage that could help boost Nintendo sales.

Here a list to help give you a little perspective

PlayStation 4 - Top 10 Pre-orders
1. Battlefield 4 - 246,965
2. Call of Duty: Ghosts - 240,090
3. Killzone: Shadow Fall - 221,710
4. Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag - 160,637
5. Watch Dogs - 118,315
6. Madden NFL 25 - 65,123
7. Destiny - 44,018
8. NBA 2K14 - 43,430
9. Knack - 40,982
10. FIFA Soccer 14 - 35,095

Xbox One - Top 10 Pre-orders
1. Call of Duty: Ghosts - 229,628
2. Battlefield 4 - 125,368
3. Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag - 104,980
4. Watch Dogs - 69,152
5. Dead Rising 3 - 61,254
6. Ryse: Son of Rome - 57,962
7. Forza Motorsport 5 - 56,201
8. Madden NFL 25 - 43,167
9. Destiny - 35,627
10. Titanfall - 27,956

Wii U - (Pre-order #s Unavailable)
Listed Chronologically In Order Of Scheduled Release Date

SEP 1.The Wonderful 101
2.Scribblenauts Unmasked: A DC Comics Adventure
3.The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD
OCT 4. Just Dance Kids 2014 Wii U
5.Sonic Lost World
6.Wii Party U
7.Batman: Arkham Origins
8.Assassin's Creed IV Black Flag
NOV 9.Call of Duty: Ghosts
10.Watch_Dogs
11.Super Mario 3D World
DEC 12.Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze
13.Wii Fit U

As you can see at least 7 out of 10 (8 of 10 in Sony's case) of the most popular games on the other consoles are multi-platform games... And While Nintendo does have at least 4 huge 3rd party games coming before Christmas The most popular and anticipated titles are going to be the console exclusives.

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AllCreation commented on Talking Point: The Wii U May Be Playing Catch-...:

@Minny
That third Party support the was discussed in 2011 and 2012 E3 was supposed to come from EA in fact key features of the Gamepad were specifically meant for games like Madden... EA was supposed to create the buffer of support that would give Nintendo time to produce and release their big first party titles that we are only just now beginning to see.

@Sceptic Okay first of all YES it is in fact something parents spend $400 on. but of course that the console and 3 games where as the PS4 is that amount and comes with no games. I can give you the numbers but just to help you put thing is perspective one Nintendo Spin off game (Mario Kart for the Wii) Sold almost as many copies as the Entire Halo Franchise. Halo is a more profitable franchise than any that Sony has to offer.This means that that game sold more than every game in God of War Franchise COMBINED and Every Game in the Uncharted Franchise COMBINED And Mario Kart is in no way Nintendo's most profitable franchise. SO yes parents will definitely buy a family game for the kids before they buy a FPS for themselves. O and here si some family gaming for you.. Pikmin 3, Lego city, Wonderful 101, Rayman Legends, Legend of Zelda Wind Waker HD, Super Mario 3D World, Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze, Wii Party U, Just Dance, Sonic Lost World, and Scribblenauts Unmasked.. All of these games are here or will be here before Christmas and are perfect games to buy a "kid"

Also among other things we know that at least two of Nintendo's more popular Franchises, Mario Kart and Smash Bros are slated to be released in 2014 So I believe you were mistaken in that regard as well.

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#44

AllCreation commented on Talking Point: The Wii U May Be Playing Catch-...:

@Minny

Please allow me to share a bit of information with you. Its very upsetting to me that this information isn't as widely publicized as it should be but a huge reason for the poor sales performance of the Wii U is its feud with EA who were completely unprofessional in their negotiations. Nintendo lacks the Huge Online Capabilities that we see with Sony's PSN and MS's XBLive so in trying to rectify that situation they were in negotiations with EA. The Negotiations Broke down when Nintendo refused to give EA complete control of the Nintendo Network which they had every right to do. But, as result EA completely pulled its support for the Wii U and a great many high profile games that were in development for the system were shelved or given halfhearted port releases.

That would have been fine but EA didn't simply stop there. They slandered the console and allowed one of their developers to make statements they were completely false about the console and its lack of power in comparison to current (7th) gen tech. Since the feud with EA concerning the Nintendo Network was generally unknown in the eyes of the people EA had no reason to make those things up. This lead to consumers believing that the Wii U isn't as strong as current gen tech, when it is in fact much stronger. Also developers seeing a prominent company like EA pull support for what they claimed were hardware issues created a viscous cycle where Games like Devil May Cry, Tomb Raider, and Bioshock Infinite skipped the Wii U altogether.

here are some of the quotes released by EA after Nintendo Refused to let them take control of the Nintendo Network.

"EA has a strong partnership and an active agreement with Nintendo to develop games for the WiiU. Last year we released Mass Effect 3 and several of our EA Sports titles on that platform. So far, we have not announced any new titles for Wii U this year, but that does not preclude more games in the future"

Those games were all lackluster ports and Nintendo was only given a fraction of the Support that EA had originally promised

And Then EA Wrote:

"The Wii U is crap. Less powerful than an Xbox 360. Poor online/store. Weird tablet," tweeted Bob Summerwill, listed as a senior software engineer at EA Canada, in a reply to a tweet posting a link about EA's no-Wii U news. "Nintendo are walking dead at this point."

Though the tweets, made early yesterday morning, have since been deleted, screenshots of them mushroomed across multiple sites, most prominently on NeoGAF.

Summerwill didn't let up after that first tweet. "Nintendo are still operating like it's 1990," he goes on, saying it should have gotten out of the hardware business and made its Mario and Legend of Zelda franchises exclusives on either the PlayStation 4 or next Xbox.

"Instead, they make this awful console," he added. Then, of EA's withdrawal from developing for Wii U, he said, "It is an utterly intentional decision to focus our resources on markets which actually matter."

And again at the time it wasn't common knowledge and actually still isn't that the EA was just bitter because Nintendo told them No and wouldn't give them a controlling interest in the Nintendo Network/EShop. In the public eye EA had no reason to attack Nintendo so many people just assumed all of the Slander was true and the Console never really fully recovered.

BUT lets forget Sony and MS DO have to overcome their own Console launches as well. Months and then even Weeks before the Wii U launch everything was all peaches an cream and nobody saw that EA thing coming... Could you imagine if EA suddenly pulled support for MS or Sony or some similar disaster were to occur. I would say its highly unlikely at this point but there will definitely be issues on a smaller scale. Issues like the initial install and months of working out bugs from the online infrastructure and there will definitely be some broken promises and features that were discussed but wont be present right away and perhaps not for months or years and in some cases not at all. This is the nature of a console launch. I'm Still waiting for Color Mii Verse Art in the Mii Plaza and that game where you sit the Gamepad on the Floor and then use a Wiimote to hit a Golf Ball off of the Gamepad screen and into the Television!!

Now allow me to retort, The most powerful console has NEVER won a console generation war. But, With the power of the PS4 and the XB1 and having stumbled at launch I would agree that as it stands Nintendo will have a hard time taking the number one spot in the 8th generation console war. However, If their current triumph with the 3DS is any indication they will still definitely turn a huge profit which is really all that matters.

This price cut is a HUGE deal. With the two new power house consoles From Sony and MS practically being clones of one another, where within the slew of exclusives releasing on the XB1 and PS4 only one or two of their launch titles can actually be described as System Sellers and even fewer offer an experience that can't be realized on another console. Nintendo is the only company offering a truly unique GAMING experience. Unlike the Competition, Just About Every Single Wii U Exclusive is Something Unique and is a Potential System Seller. And whats more, Nintendo is definitely the company that puts the greatest emphasis on family play and family fun which will be essential in the coming holiday season.

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AllCreation commented on Round Table: Let's Talk About the 2DS and Wii ...:

Nintendo doesn't NEED TO PROVE ANYTHING TO EA... Its very upsetting to me that this information isn't as widely publicized as it should be but a huge reason for the poor sales performance of the Wii U is its feud with EA who were completely unprofessional in their negotiations. Nintendo lacks the Huge Online Capabilities that we see with Sony's PSN and MS's XBLive so in trying to rectify that situation they were in negotiations with EA. The Negotiations Broke down when Nintendo refused to give EA complete control of the Nintendo Network which they had every right to do. But, as result EA completely pulled its support for the Wii U and a great many high profile games that were in development for the system were shelved or given halfhearted port releases.

That would have been fine but EA didn't simply stop there. They slandered the console and allowed one of their developers to make statements they were completely false about the console and its lack of power in comparison to current (7th) gen tech. Since the feud with EA concerning the Nintendo Network was generally unknown in the eyes of the people EA had no reason to make those things up. This lead to consumers believing that the Wii U isn't as strong as current gen tech, when it is in fact much stronger. Also developers seeing a prominent company like EA pull support for what they claimed were hardware issues created a viscous cycle where Games like Devil May Cry, Tomb Raider, and Bioshock Infinite skipped the Wii U altogether.

here are some of the quotes released by EA after Nintendo Refused to let them take control of the Nintendo Network.

"EA has a strong partnership and an active agreement with Nintendo to develop games for the WiiU. Last year we released Mass Effect 3 and several of our EA Sports titles on that platform. So far, we have not announced any new titles for Wii U this year, but that does not preclude more games in the future"

Those games were all lackluster ports and Nintendo was only given a fraction of the Support that EA had originally promised

And Then EA Wrote:

"The Wii U is crap. Less powerful than an Xbox 360. Poor online/store. Weird tablet," tweeted Bob Summerwill, listed as a senior software engineer at EA Canada, in a reply to a tweet posting a link about EA's no-Wii U news. "Nintendo are walking dead at this point."

Though the tweets, made early yesterday morning, have since been deleted, screenshots of them mushroomed across multiple sites, most prominently on NeoGAF.

Summerwill didn't let up after that first tweet. "Nintendo are still operating like it's 1990," he goes on, saying it should have gotten out of the hardware business and made its Mario and Legend of Zelda franchises exclusives on either the PlayStation 4 or next Xbox.

"Instead, they make this awful console," he added. Then, of EA's withdrawal from developing for Wii U, he said, "It is an utterly intentional decision to focus our resources on markets which actually matter."

And again at the time it wasn't common knowledge and actually still isn't that the EA was just bitter because Nintendo told them No and wouldn't give them a controlling interest in the Nintendo Network/EShop. In the public eye EA had no reason to attack Nintendo so many people just assumed all of the Slander was true and the Console never really fully recovered.

BUT lets forget Sony and MS DO have to overcome their own Console launches as well. Months and then even Weeks before the Wii U launch everything was all peaches an cream and nobody saw that EA thing coming... Could you imagine if EA suddenly pulled support for MS or Sony or some similar disaster were to occur. I would say its highly unlikely at this point but there will definitely be issues on a smaller scale. Issues like the initial install and months of working out bugs from the online infrastructure and there will definitely be some broken promises and features that were discussed but wont be present right away and perhaps not for months or years and in some cases not at all. This is the nature of a console launch. I'm Still waiting for Color Mii Verse Art in the Mii Plaza and that game where you sit the Gamepad on the Floor and then use a Wiimote to hit a Golf Ball off of the Gamepad screen and into the Television!!

Now allow me to retort, The most powerful console has NEVER won a console generation war. But, With the power of the PS4 and the XB1 and having stumbled at launch I would agree that as it stands Nintendo will have a hard time taking the number one spot in the 8th generation console war. However, If their current triumph with the 3DS is any indication they will still definitely turn a huge profit which is really all that matters.

This price cut is a HUGE deal. With the two new power house consoles From Sony and MS practically being clones of one another, where within the slew of exclusives releasing on the XB1 and PS4 only one or two of their launch titles can actually be described as System Sellers and even fewer offer an experience that can't be realized on another console. Nintendo is the only company offering a truly unique GAMING experience. Unlike the Competition, Just About Every Single Wii U Exclusive is Something Unique and is a Potential System Seller. And whats more, Nintendo is definitely the company that puts the greatest emphasis on family play and family fun which will be essential in the coming holiday season.