@TBD I've always assumed its because people know I hate proofreading and therefore their way of punishing me is by making me re-read my posts several times to make sure I didn't say these things. : (
@JQuest Well with any company the goal is to become more profitable, nobody is ever happy with their current level of success. I can recognize it would be a huge change though and there isn't enough evidence to warrant that shift at the moment.
Re: edit. Thanks the respect is mutual!
@Yorumi Nintendo execs say Nintendo hardware is good and they don't plan on abandoning it for mobile platforms? Yes, that would make sense for them to say.
@LDXD There are no buttons, that is correct. There are DS games on tablets and phones that work just fine though, magically.
How important is the control scheme in Pokemon? I have faith Nintendo could make it work. lol
@Akira Nobody here is bashing Nintendo. There are people saying Nintendo would be more profitable somewhere else. Everyone seems to think Nintendo would be admitting defeat by not producing hardware, when that's not the case.
@LDXDAgain Nobody is asking them to create a phone or tablet. lol.
@Yorumi Nobody said anything about Nintendo making their games $1. lol. If my mindset aligns with people actually in the industry though, and not people on this site that somehow know everything about developing games, I'm okay with that. Even if it is Molyneux. lol
@JQuest Once they switched from their own devices to ios and android devices, they'd no longer be ports though. They'd be strictly developing for ios and android, which have proven to be fairly easy platforms to develop for. This is going to be a circular argument though, because we have no idea what the actual development time would change by, how much they would save on R&D versus how much they make from hardware sales, etc. A lot of this is us just estimating and disagreeing over our estimates, for instance, how difficult it is to manage apps across multiple versions of android.
As for the prices (which is where I think that Aces fellow is going on about), this is another thing that requires a lot of guesswork. The assumption here seems to be that they would need to charge the same price as now and therefore nobody would buy $35 apps, but that's illogical. Paying absolutely nothing for producing and distributing their games would save them a lot of money, and there would be no used game market to take sales from. (Though Nintendo isn't anti-used games so this may be another reason they don't like this direction)
@Yorumi I never saw you quote that, there's just one sentence in your last post on my screen. That doesn't change much from my original post though, Nintendo would definitely be in the top percentage of developers. Now if we knew how profitable the top 5% or so was, and then compared that to how profitable Nintendo is subtracting production, distribution, etc. then we could get somewhere. Until then I don't think we're going to see eye to eye on the level of success they would have with that market. There's only one franchise as popular as Pokemon, and Angry Birds turned into a worldwide phenomenon. If they could tap into that popularity at a higher price, good things would happen for them.
@LDXD We're talking about two different things here. I was referring to them putting all of their handheld support behind android and ios devices and discontinuing handheld hardware. This is a much more broader issue, but looking towards the future, there are so many handheld devices capable of playing games, it will become increasingly harder to sell people a device that primarily only plays games.
Also I apologize for the spelling or grammatical errors, but I am too lazy to proofread at the moment. lol
@Yorumi You mean stats like World of Goo reaching one million downloads? lol.
There are no stats there that help either of us. Of course some devs are not going to be profitable, and others are. You seem to be thinking that Nintendo would be considered just another dev in a sea of ios and android devs, which is what we're primarily disagreeing on.
They would be the largest mobile dev force in the industry. Comparing them to small devs that make a majority of these games is useless. And even then, some of those devs are wildly successful.
That link also does nothing to support your claim that only a tiny percentage of apps make any profit whatsoever..
@Yorumi Do you believe Nintendo would be near the average when thrown in with other mobile games? Especially when it comes to names like Mario and Pokemon, which have an incredibly notable brand power?
@Aces I'll be honest, I'm not reading all that. lol
@LDXD Resources towards handhelds and consoles are not shared. They have different devs, making different games. And yes, I am confident enough in Nintendo's games and brand power to assume they would stand apart from most mobile games and be profitable. Surprisingly, everyone seems to think less of Nintendo than I do.
Well whether you like them or not is irrelevant. I personally don't like MGS games either..
They'll each sell millions though and bring people to their systems, which is relevant. Having these heavy hitters has a huge impact on a system's library.
"It's funny you ask for proof and then start making up numbers."
There are plenty of sources that say how many android and ios devices are out there. There are no sources that say only a tiny percentage of apps are profitable. Considering this is the entire basis for your argument, it would make sense to back it up somewhat. lol
@JQuest How do we know it would take extra development time? Their handhelds are not difficult to develop for, and neither is mobile architecture. Developers don't have to relearn everything when ios or android gets updated. There's also no reason to believe quality would take a hit (and this is where I think people get upset.) There have been handheld games that have been ported to ios and play just fine, TWEWY being a very popular one. Most of Nintendo's games do not require crazy control schemes.
I'll agree the Android base is fragmented, but it doesn't seem to be causing too many issues. All of the popular games out right now work across multiple versions of android just fine. Whatever issues do arise are usually fixed within days, so it cannot be wildly difficult.
@Ronoh Yes, I am assuming point A. Almost 100% of people with Nintendo handhelds also have an android or apple device. There's no reason to believe they would magically stop liking Nintendo games because they are on these devices instead.
In addition, you gain access to over one billion new consumers. One billion..
Point B was sort of addressed above. The tastes really don't matter here, you're not looking to sell the same percentage, you're looking at just solely numbers. Numbers wise a large majority of consumers will already have access to this other market.
@hydeks Well I counted on there being at least one hardcore Nintendo fan on this site that would rather die than see Nintendo release a game on another system, so I don't find this surprising.
"Of the last quarter only a tiny percent are even profitable"
I would love to see these numbers. You're telling me thousands of developers are developing on a non-profitable platform? Ok then.
I also never mentioned Facebook, not sure where you're going with that.
Finally nobody mentioned $60 games (besides releasing Nintendo games on other consoles, where $60 is the norm). As for the handheld games, you're acting as if Nintendo fans will not purchase these games because they are not on a Nintendo device. The people that love Pokemon on their DS, would love it on their Ipad. These devices don't have groundbreaking hardware. Which is why games like TWEWY can be ported from the DS to a tablet with no problem and sell just fine.
"The ONLY thing the Wii U is behind the PS4 / XB1 on is graphic fidelity. That's it! And how can that POSSIBLY be getting in the way of making great games."
You should ask all of the developers not making games for the Wii U.
Just to put things in perspective, there are over one billion Android and iOS devices out there. One billion.
Even if Nintendo reaches an audience of 200 million with every handheld, which is A LOT, it would be less than 20% of the audience they'd have otherwise.
They would also not be responsible for all the R&D that goes into making their own hardware. Its perfectly okay to like Nintendo so much that you don't want their games on rival hardware, but there's no way to deny they'd be much more profitable than they are now.
Having access to every consumer with an IPhone or Android phone is a bad idea? You'd rather them come up with their own phone and only sell their games to the few million that may eventually buy it?
I would think about something else for a bit and then come back to this to see if you still think its a good idea.. lol
Also they would make a killing on the App Store. Unfortunately they are too stubborn to ever do such a thing, but having Nintendo exclusives on the best hardware and having smaller titles on mobile and tablet devices would be beautiful.
Rather than adapt though it seems like they're intent on sticking to their original direction. Which isn't getting much support from developers, publishers, or consumers at the moment.
I had to edit that, I was thinking 'exclusive to systems other than the Wii U' and then I realized that was a stupid way to word that and nobody would see it like I did. lol
In the grand scheme of things, it totally matters though from a business perspective. There's no doubt Nintendo would be happy if games like MGSV, GTAV, Battlefield 4, etc. were being developed for their system. Any contribution adds variety and extends the library, which can't ever really be a bad thing.
Second party devs are either partially owned or not owned at all by the publisher it develops games for.
So this includes developers that have exclusivity contracts signed with a publisher. The games are first party, but the devs are referred to as second party so that they are distinguished from a publisher's own devs.
@dumedum we know next to nothing about the exclusives for the new consoles. (Though Sony did say they had 20+ in development..) We're talking about other consoles getting several high quality third party games in a couple months, opposed to the Wii U only getting a few exclusives over several months.
We're talking about flat out total games. When third party devs release their heavy hitters for the holidays, where do they all go? Ok, now where do almost none of them go?
The Wii U's library is almost entirely dependent on Nintendo right now, whether people like to believe it or not.
@GiftedGimp yes you are right, Don Mattrick himself called this one guy up out of all the Best Buys in the country and said..
ITS UP TO YOU BRO, SAVE US FROM THAT WII U
Since you know, it has so many games (like two or three now?) and its just selling like crazy. Lord, if they have this many people at Nintendo events, they'll have to hire a few thousand more employees once Sony launches their console.
@XCWarrior Thats assuming people even want all of those games. When you're limited to five or six games a year, that's not exactly spectacular.
Other consoles generally receive 5 or 6 high quality third party games in October/November alone. Never mind having games like Bioshock Infinite and The Last of Us earlier in the year, or any of their respective exclusives.
You can be happy that the amount of games you want comply with your budget, but don't be mistaken to think the Wii U's library is looking all that great right now. Third party support is really questionable as acknowledged by this article, even more so than in the past.
Why would you encourage everyone to buy a game when you know for a fact not everyone will enjoy it.. Are you just a really big fan of the economy and advocate for consumer spending?
From a retail standpoint it doesn't matter, there's current technology now at an affordable price that could be implemented in consoles and show a large graphical difference.
A new PC with the highest graphic quality available is nowhere near the cost of a new car. That comparison is out there.
Japanese companies are some of the most competitive backstabbing businesses in the world. You've completely lost me.
Besides, there is nothing to gain from working together. The tech in the Wii U is completely different from the tech in the other consoles, and they're too expensive to be combined. There's no great secret technology these companies have access to, just different directions.
If they all collaborated with the same product, we'd be stuck with the same direction. That's a horrible idea, especially for some of us that aren't on board with the cheap casualized gaming scheme. They already take aspects from one another and implement them in their own product, that's as much as we need to see from that.
PCs don't cost as much as new cars and there is a large graphical leap there.
There's tons of room for improvements. And people have the misconception that the only improvements to be made are looks. Physics, AI, the amount of content that can be handled on screen all at once are all concepts that have plenty of room for expansion.
We're far far away from having a Mass Effect style MMO with Crysis style graphics in which tens of thousands of people can be engaged in a large scale war over a certain galaxy. There's so much more to come.
So the Wii U has a solid year of enjoying multiplats, and it can't even run those properly. Oh well, at least now Nintendo-only gamers can still play all these games they pretended not to care about when they were inaccessible on their platforms.
This is one of those games people rate highly because it's a launch game, and then when actual games start coming out, we all realize how much better this could have been.
360:
GTA IV
Bioshock
The Orange Box
Mass Effect 2
Skyrim
Red Dead Redemption
Portal 2
Batman: Arkham City
Oblivion
Call of Duty 4
Modern Warfare 2
Fallout 3
Mass Effect 3
Rock Band 3
Guitar Hero II
Rock Band
Batman: Arkham Asylum
Rock Band 2
Mass Effect
Assassin's Creed II
Bayonetta
Tom Clancy GRAW
FIFA 10 & FIFA 12
Dead Space 2
NBA 2k12
Wii:
Rock Band 2
Rayman Origins
Rock Band 3
Resident Evil 4
Okami
*intentionally left out downloadable games, which would only help the 360..
** these are highly specific parameters. expand upon these and the gap increases.
Same exact parameters. If you don't see a difference there, there's nothing I can do for you. Or anyone for that matter. lol
You really want me to look up the numbers for all of those games? lol
And okay I'll make this simpler. It's a person who is paid to objectively look at a game's faults and assess them in accordance to the entire game.
You're just a consumer, which has been known to enjoy just about anything. Why should I say the Wii is doing just fine because there are plenty of third party exclusives you enjoy?
This makes no sense. It's like me saying "well I enjoy twice that many on the 360, so that wins!" and then asking you to accept that.
Tangent? There is nothing more closely related to the original point. lol
The Wii is lacking good third party exclusives. You try to disprove this by listing poorly rated games, YOU like. I use a source other than my own opinion which shows how few games there are.
It's basically your very own opinion vs. every aggregate review site. I'm not sure why we should go off of your opinion here.
Oh I apologize, there are FIVE. Five very highly (>90) rated third party Wii games. Two of which are Rock Band.
Next article of discussion: "I play games under 90"
Awesome. Pick any value. Count the number of third party titles over that number. Do the same for other consoles. Compare.
There is no personal opinion in here, and no 'sulking' as I do not care how much anything sucks, personally. This is an objective comparison that hurts the fragile egos here on this site.
Four highly rated third party exclusives? That's not far off I'm afraid. I'm not sure what I'm 'backpedaling' from. lol
It's pretty clear you are unable to distinguish your personal opinion from any sort of objective discussion. Which is fine, I admire your individuality. All of those reviewers lay out all of a game's faults for you, and do you care? Heck no, you completely ignore them and enjoy those games anyway!
There is an objective and subjective view. I enjoy what I like, but that doesn't matter to everyone else. When it comes to looking at a library objectively, subjective opinions do not matter.
It's okay that you think the Wii's library is the best thing ever, but when compared on a level playing field with its competition, it doesn't compare.
Your opinion is fantastic though and I'm glad you have one, just like the other six billion or so people.
Yeah, I meant quality games. Those rated highly by the majority.
If I were seeking a minority opinion I wouldn't come here. lol. There is at least one person in the world that believes EVERY Wii game is a great game. I dont rely on that opinion to judge a console.
The only objective way is to take a set score, and count over that score on an aggregate review site. Anything else is completely subjective. Most of those games you listed are recognized as being poor by the large majority of critics. Can't believe you listed The Conduit. lol
I'd prefer that as well. If you offer the incentive up front, THEN there's no excuse for disappointment. They should do away with this and expand on the rewards.That way you know what is coming with your purchase when you spend the money.
So in exchange for quite a bit of valuable market research you received something that cost them far, far less value to make.. I like that angle too, I can work with that. Still, it's an incentive program. People don't buy purely for the incentive, but it's expected with the purchase. So when the incentive isn't what was expected, people have a right to be disappointed.
Like I said earlier, I can't think of another incentive program that notifies you of your prize after your purchase. When you do these surveys and purchase these games you're hoping that there will be something worth the money and effort.
I don't think playing cards and posters, which someone could make at Kinkos, qualify as that.
Well, I buy their products to enjoy the products themselves.
Then you can be happy as always. That doesn't mean everyone has to be, and they shouldn't be ridiculed because of it.
If people redeemed all of their bottle cap codes in anticipation of something cool and were let down by a pack of Sprite playing cards, they can be disappointed as well.
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AlexSays commented on Steel Diver Will Be Nintendo's First Free-To-P...:
Free to play? Hey some mobile games do that!
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AlexSays commented on Molyneux: Nintendo Is "Brilliant" At Attractin...:
@TBD I've always assumed its because people know I hate proofreading and therefore their way of punishing me is by making me re-read my posts several times to make sure I didn't say these things. : (
@JQuest Well with any company the goal is to become more profitable, nobody is ever happy with their current level of success. I can recognize it would be a huge change though and there isn't enough evidence to warrant that shift at the moment.
Re: edit. Thanks the respect is mutual!
@Yorumi Nintendo execs say Nintendo hardware is good and they don't plan on abandoning it for mobile platforms? Yes, that would make sense for them to say.
@HeatBombastic I agree with everything there.
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AlexSays commented on Molyneux: Nintendo Is "Brilliant" At Attractin...:
@LDXD There are no buttons, that is correct. There are DS games on tablets and phones that work just fine though, magically.
How important is the control scheme in Pokemon? I have faith Nintendo could make it work. lol
@Akira Nobody here is bashing Nintendo. There are people saying Nintendo would be more profitable somewhere else. Everyone seems to think Nintendo would be admitting defeat by not producing hardware, when that's not the case.
@LDXDAgain Nobody is asking them to create a phone or tablet. lol.
@Yorumi Nobody said anything about Nintendo making their games $1. lol. If my mindset aligns with people actually in the industry though, and not people on this site that somehow know everything about developing games, I'm okay with that. Even if it is Molyneux. lol
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AlexSays commented on Molyneux: Nintendo Is "Brilliant" At Attractin...:
@JQuest Once they switched from their own devices to ios and android devices, they'd no longer be ports though. They'd be strictly developing for ios and android, which have proven to be fairly easy platforms to develop for. This is going to be a circular argument though, because we have no idea what the actual development time would change by, how much they would save on R&D versus how much they make from hardware sales, etc. A lot of this is us just estimating and disagreeing over our estimates, for instance, how difficult it is to manage apps across multiple versions of android.
As for the prices (which is where I think that Aces fellow is going on about), this is another thing that requires a lot of guesswork. The assumption here seems to be that they would need to charge the same price as now and therefore nobody would buy $35 apps, but that's illogical. Paying absolutely nothing for producing and distributing their games would save them a lot of money, and there would be no used game market to take sales from. (Though Nintendo isn't anti-used games so this may be another reason they don't like this direction)
@Yorumi I never saw you quote that, there's just one sentence in your last post on my screen. That doesn't change much from my original post though, Nintendo would definitely be in the top percentage of developers. Now if we knew how profitable the top 5% or so was, and then compared that to how profitable Nintendo is subtracting production, distribution, etc. then we could get somewhere. Until then I don't think we're going to see eye to eye on the level of success they would have with that market. There's only one franchise as popular as Pokemon, and Angry Birds turned into a worldwide phenomenon. If they could tap into that popularity at a higher price, good things would happen for them.
@LDXD We're talking about two different things here. I was referring to them putting all of their handheld support behind android and ios devices and discontinuing handheld hardware. This is a much more broader issue, but looking towards the future, there are so many handheld devices capable of playing games, it will become increasingly harder to sell people a device that primarily only plays games.
Also I apologize for the spelling or grammatical errors, but I am too lazy to proofread at the moment. lol
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AlexSays commented on Molyneux: Nintendo Is "Brilliant" At Attractin...:
@Yorumi Yes, I pulled stats out of your link, but never looked at it.
Do you want to share this great wealth of knowledge I'm missing and show me the light? lol
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AlexSays commented on Molyneux: Nintendo Is "Brilliant" At Attractin...:
knock it off, you're not as bad as him but you're getting there — TBD
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AlexSays commented on Molyneux: Nintendo Is "Brilliant" At Attractin...:
@Yorumi You mean stats like World of Goo reaching one million downloads? lol.
There are no stats there that help either of us. Of course some devs are not going to be profitable, and others are. You seem to be thinking that Nintendo would be considered just another dev in a sea of ios and android devs, which is what we're primarily disagreeing on.
They would be the largest mobile dev force in the industry. Comparing them to small devs that make a majority of these games is useless. And even then, some of those devs are wildly successful.
That link also does nothing to support your claim that only a tiny percentage of apps make any profit whatsoever..
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AlexSays commented on Molyneux: Nintendo Is "Brilliant" At Attractin...:
@Yorumi Do you believe Nintendo would be near the average when thrown in with other mobile games? Especially when it comes to names like Mario and Pokemon, which have an incredibly notable brand power?
@Aces I'll be honest, I'm not reading all that. lol
@LDXD Resources towards handhelds and consoles are not shared. They have different devs, making different games. And yes, I am confident enough in Nintendo's games and brand power to assume they would stand apart from most mobile games and be profitable. Surprisingly, everyone seems to think less of Nintendo than I do.
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AlexSays commented on Molyneux: Nintendo Is "Brilliant" At Attractin...:
@Aces You are arguing a point that has never been made. lol. Nobody is comparing Nintendo games to cheap $1 mobile games, calm down.
@Raylax Thanks for the support, it is appreciated. <3
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AlexSays commented on Warner Bros. Believes In Wii U, Thinks E3 Game...:
Well whether you like them or not is irrelevant. I personally don't like MGS games either..
They'll each sell millions though and bring people to their systems, which is relevant. Having these heavy hitters has a huge impact on a system's library.
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AlexSays commented on Molyneux: Nintendo Is "Brilliant" At Attractin...:
"It's funny you ask for proof and then start making up numbers."
There are plenty of sources that say how many android and ios devices are out there. There are no sources that say only a tiny percentage of apps are profitable. Considering this is the entire basis for your argument, it would make sense to back it up somewhat. lol
@JQuest How do we know it would take extra development time? Their handhelds are not difficult to develop for, and neither is mobile architecture. Developers don't have to relearn everything when ios or android gets updated. There's also no reason to believe quality would take a hit (and this is where I think people get upset.) There have been handheld games that have been ported to ios and play just fine, TWEWY being a very popular one. Most of Nintendo's games do not require crazy control schemes.
I'll agree the Android base is fragmented, but it doesn't seem to be causing too many issues. All of the popular games out right now work across multiple versions of android just fine. Whatever issues do arise are usually fixed within days, so it cannot be wildly difficult.
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AlexSays commented on Molyneux: Nintendo Is "Brilliant" At Attractin...:
@Ronoh Yes, I am assuming point A. Almost 100% of people with Nintendo handhelds also have an android or apple device. There's no reason to believe they would magically stop liking Nintendo games because they are on these devices instead.
In addition, you gain access to over one billion new consumers. One billion..
Point B was sort of addressed above. The tastes really don't matter here, you're not looking to sell the same percentage, you're looking at just solely numbers. Numbers wise a large majority of consumers will already have access to this other market.
@hydeks Well I counted on there being at least one hardcore Nintendo fan on this site that would rather die than see Nintendo release a game on another system, so I don't find this surprising.
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AlexSays commented on Molyneux: Nintendo Is "Brilliant" At Attractin...:
"Of the last quarter only a tiny percent are even profitable"
I would love to see these numbers. You're telling me thousands of developers are developing on a non-profitable platform? Ok then.
I also never mentioned Facebook, not sure where you're going with that.
Finally nobody mentioned $60 games (besides releasing Nintendo games on other consoles, where $60 is the norm). As for the handheld games, you're acting as if Nintendo fans will not purchase these games because they are not on a Nintendo device. The people that love Pokemon on their DS, would love it on their Ipad. These devices don't have groundbreaking hardware. Which is why games like TWEWY can be ported from the DS to a tablet with no problem and sell just fine.
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AlexSays commented on Molyneux: Nintendo Is "Brilliant" At Attractin...:
"The ONLY thing the Wii U is behind the PS4 / XB1 on is graphic fidelity. That's it! And how can that POSSIBLY be getting in the way of making great games."
You should ask all of the developers not making games for the Wii U.
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AlexSays commented on Molyneux: Nintendo Is "Brilliant" At Attractin...:
Just to put things in perspective, there are over one billion Android and iOS devices out there. One billion.
Even if Nintendo reaches an audience of 200 million with every handheld, which is A LOT, it would be less than 20% of the audience they'd have otherwise.
They would also not be responsible for all the R&D that goes into making their own hardware. Its perfectly okay to like Nintendo so much that you don't want their games on rival hardware, but there's no way to deny they'd be much more profitable than they are now.
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AlexSays commented on Molyneux: Nintendo Is "Brilliant" At Attractin...:
Having access to every consumer with an IPhone or Android phone is a bad idea? You'd rather them come up with their own phone and only sell their games to the few million that may eventually buy it?
I would think about something else for a bit and then come back to this to see if you still think its a good idea.. lol
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AlexSays commented on Molyneux: Nintendo Is "Brilliant" At Attractin...:
I agree with the first comment.
Also they would make a killing on the App Store. Unfortunately they are too stubborn to ever do such a thing, but having Nintendo exclusives on the best hardware and having smaller titles on mobile and tablet devices would be beautiful.
Rather than adapt though it seems like they're intent on sticking to their original direction. Which isn't getting much support from developers, publishers, or consumers at the moment.
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AlexSays commented on Warner Bros. Believes In Wii U, Thinks E3 Game...:
I had to edit that, I was thinking 'exclusive to systems other than the Wii U' and then I realized that was a stupid way to word that and nobody would see it like I did. lol
In the grand scheme of things, it totally matters though from a business perspective. There's no doubt Nintendo would be happy if games like MGSV, GTAV, Battlefield 4, etc. were being developed for their system. Any contribution adds variety and extends the library, which can't ever really be a bad thing.
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AlexSays commented on Warner Bros. Believes In Wii U, Thinks E3 Game...:
Second party devs are either partially owned or not owned at all by the publisher it develops games for.
So this includes developers that have exclusivity contracts signed with a publisher. The games are first party, but the devs are referred to as second party so that they are distinguished from a publisher's own devs.
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AlexSays commented on Warner Bros. Believes In Wii U, Thinks E3 Game...:
@dumedum we know next to nothing about the exclusives for the new consoles. (Though Sony did say they had 20+ in development..) We're talking about other consoles getting several high quality third party games in a couple months, opposed to the Wii U only getting a few exclusives over several months.
We're talking about flat out total games. When third party devs release their heavy hitters for the holidays, where do they all go? Ok, now where do almost none of them go?
The Wii U's library is almost entirely dependent on Nintendo right now, whether people like to believe it or not.
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AlexSays commented on Impressions: The Best Buy "Nintendo Experience":
@GiftedGimp yes you are right, Don Mattrick himself called this one guy up out of all the Best Buys in the country and said..
ITS UP TO YOU BRO, SAVE US FROM THAT WII U
Since you know, it has so many games (like two or three now?) and its just selling like crazy. Lord, if they have this many people at Nintendo events, they'll have to hire a few thousand more employees once Sony launches their console.
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AlexSays commented on Warner Bros. Believes In Wii U, Thinks E3 Game...:
@XCWarrior Thats assuming people even want all of those games. When you're limited to five or six games a year, that's not exactly spectacular.
Other consoles generally receive 5 or 6 high quality third party games in October/November alone. Never mind having games like Bioshock Infinite and The Last of Us earlier in the year, or any of their respective exclusives.
You can be happy that the amount of games you want comply with your budget, but don't be mistaken to think the Wii U's library is looking all that great right now. Third party support is really questionable as acknowledged by this article, even more so than in the past.
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AlexSays commented on Impressions: The Best Buy "Nintendo Experience":
There was one Microsoft person that might have been told to talk to people at the Nintendo event.
It's not like this is a regular occurrence and we don't even know what exactly happened.
To answer the question in the article, no. Nothing can make me go to Best Buy.
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AlexSays commented on ZombiU Demo Coming To Wii U eShop:
Why would you encourage everyone to buy a game when you know for a fact not everyone will enjoy it.. Are you just a really big fan of the economy and advocate for consumer spending?
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AlexSays commented on Call of Duty Black Ops II Suffers From Reduced...:
From a retail standpoint it doesn't matter, there's current technology now at an affordable price that could be implemented in consoles and show a large graphical difference.
A new PC with the highest graphic quality available is nowhere near the cost of a new car. That comparison is out there.
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AlexSays commented on Call of Duty Black Ops II Suffers From Reduced...:
Japanese companies are some of the most competitive backstabbing businesses in the world. You've completely lost me.
Besides, there is nothing to gain from working together. The tech in the Wii U is completely different from the tech in the other consoles, and they're too expensive to be combined. There's no great secret technology these companies have access to, just different directions.
If they all collaborated with the same product, we'd be stuck with the same direction. That's a horrible idea, especially for some of us that aren't on board with the cheap casualized gaming scheme. They already take aspects from one another and implement them in their own product, that's as much as we need to see from that.
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AlexSays commented on Call of Duty Black Ops II Suffers From Reduced...:
Competition drives innovation. Theres a reason monopolies are are frowned upon. They're not good for anyone.
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AlexSays commented on Call of Duty Black Ops II Suffers From Reduced...:
PCs don't cost as much as new cars and there is a large graphical leap there.
There's tons of room for improvements. And people have the misconception that the only improvements to be made are looks. Physics, AI, the amount of content that can be handled on screen all at once are all concepts that have plenty of room for expansion.
We're far far away from having a Mass Effect style MMO with Crysis style graphics in which tens of thousands of people can be engaged in a large scale war over a certain galaxy. There's so much more to come.
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AlexSays commented on ZombiU Demo Coming To Wii U eShop:
This may save a lot of people some money.
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AlexSays commented on Call of Duty Black Ops II Suffers From Reduced...:
So the Wii U has a solid year of enjoying multiplats, and it can't even run those properly. Oh well, at least now Nintendo-only gamers can still play all these games they pretended not to care about when they were inaccessible on their platforms.
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AlexSays commented on Review: ZombiU (Wii U):
This is one of those games people rate highly because it's a launch game, and then when actual games start coming out, we all realize how much better this could have been.
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AlexSays commented on So, you think Nintendo Life is pretty neat?:
I'll trade you my vote for the implementation of personal messages.
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AlexSays commented on Talking Point: Another Look at the News - 6th ...:
Since I'm not going on forever about this...
360:
GTA IV
Bioshock
The Orange Box
Mass Effect 2
Skyrim
Red Dead Redemption
Portal 2
Batman: Arkham City
Oblivion
Call of Duty 4
Modern Warfare 2
Fallout 3
Mass Effect 3
Rock Band 3
Guitar Hero II
Rock Band
Batman: Arkham Asylum
Rock Band 2
Mass Effect
Assassin's Creed II
Bayonetta
Tom Clancy GRAW
FIFA 10 & FIFA 12
Dead Space 2
NBA 2k12
Wii:
Rock Band 2
Rayman Origins
Rock Band 3
Resident Evil 4
Okami
*intentionally left out downloadable games, which would only help the 360..
** these are highly specific parameters. expand upon these and the gap increases.
Same exact parameters. If you don't see a difference there, there's nothing I can do for you. Or anyone for that matter. lol
Have a terrific day
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AlexSays commented on Talking Point: Another Look at the News - 6th ...:
You really want me to look up the numbers for all of those games? lol
And okay I'll make this simpler. It's a person who is paid to objectively look at a game's faults and assess them in accordance to the entire game.
You're just a consumer, which has been known to enjoy just about anything. Why should I say the Wii is doing just fine because there are plenty of third party exclusives you enjoy?
This makes no sense. It's like me saying "well I enjoy twice that many on the 360, so that wins!" and then asking you to accept that.
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AlexSays commented on Talking Point: Another Look at the News - 6th ...:
Tangent? There is nothing more closely related to the original point. lol
The Wii is lacking good third party exclusives. You try to disprove this by listing poorly rated games, YOU like. I use a source other than my own opinion which shows how few games there are.
It's basically your very own opinion vs. every aggregate review site. I'm not sure why we should go off of your opinion here.
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AlexSays commented on Talking Point: Another Look at the News - 6th ...:
Oh I apologize, there are FIVE. Five very highly (>90) rated third party Wii games. Two of which are Rock Band.
Next article of discussion: "I play games under 90"
Awesome. Pick any value. Count the number of third party titles over that number. Do the same for other consoles. Compare.
There is no personal opinion in here, and no 'sulking' as I do not care how much anything sucks, personally. This is an objective comparison that hurts the fragile egos here on this site.
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AlexSays commented on Talking Point: Another Look at the News - 6th ...:
Four highly rated third party exclusives? That's not far off I'm afraid. I'm not sure what I'm 'backpedaling' from. lol
It's pretty clear you are unable to distinguish your personal opinion from any sort of objective discussion. Which is fine, I admire your individuality. All of those reviewers lay out all of a game's faults for you, and do you care? Heck no, you completely ignore them and enjoy those games anyway!
I could never have such strength.
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AlexSays commented on Talking Point: Another Look at the News - 6th ...:
I'm not basing my opinion off of anything. lol
There is an objective and subjective view. I enjoy what I like, but that doesn't matter to everyone else.
When it comes to looking at a library objectively, subjective opinions do not matter.
It's okay that you think the Wii's library is the best thing ever, but when compared on a level playing field with its competition, it doesn't compare.
Your opinion is fantastic though and I'm glad you have one, just like the other six billion or so people.
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AlexSays commented on Talking Point: Another Look at the News - 6th ...:
Yeah, I meant quality games. Those rated highly by the majority.
If I were seeking a minority opinion I wouldn't come here. lol. There is at least one person in the world that believes EVERY Wii game is a great game. I dont rely on that opinion to judge a console.
The only objective way is to take a set score, and count over that score on an aggregate review site. Anything else is completely subjective. Most of those games you listed are recognized as being poor by the large majority of critics. Can't believe you listed The Conduit. lol
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AlexSays commented on Talking Point: Another Look at the News - 6th ...:
Much less than the other consoles when it comes to third parties. That was the point.
I don't need to provide the numbers, they are available for everyone to see.
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AlexSays commented on Club Nintendo's Gold and Platinum Prizes Have ...:
Haha you got me. I suppose Africa counts as a continent as well. : )
I can't slip anything past you guys.. lol
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AlexSays commented on Talking Point: Another Look at the News - 6th ...:
I'm inclined to support that LK, the repetition of your avatar throughout these comments will make them much easier to read. So have at it.
It's not like I have to do any work either way, metacritic does that for me.
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AlexSays commented on Club Nintendo's Gold and Platinum Prizes Have ...:
Logic? I'm too busy feeling sorry for other countries.
Thats nice though that you think these prizes are made out of top of the line material inaccessible to the public. I don't want to ruin that for you.
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AlexSays commented on Club Nintendo's Gold and Platinum Prizes Have ...:
I'd prefer that as well. If you offer the incentive up front, THEN there's no excuse for disappointment.
They should do away with this and expand on the rewards.That way you know what is coming with your purchase when you spend the money.
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AlexSays commented on Club Nintendo's Gold and Platinum Prizes Have ...:
Now I have to feel sorry for Europe too? That's an entire continent! lol
I'm not sure I have enough in me to feel sorry for all of the lesser fortunate parts of the world.
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AlexSays commented on Club Nintendo's Gold and Platinum Prizes Have ...:
@TeeBeeDee
So in exchange for quite a bit of valuable market research you received something that cost them far, far less value to make..
I like that angle too, I can work with that. Still, it's an incentive program. People don't buy purely for the incentive, but it's expected with the purchase. So when the incentive isn't what was expected, people have a right to be disappointed.
Like I said earlier, I can't think of another incentive program that notifies you of your prize after your purchase. When you do these surveys and purchase these games you're hoping that there will be something worth the money and effort.
I don't think playing cards and posters, which someone could make at Kinkos, qualify as that.
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AlexSays commented on Club Nintendo's Gold and Platinum Prizes Have ...:
Now I have to feel bad for people in Africa AND Scandinavia? lol
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AlexSays commented on Club Nintendo's Gold and Platinum Prizes Have ...:
We didn't spend our money just to get these prizes
And people don't purchase soda bottles solely for the code under the bottle cap.
Some of you seem to have trouble differentiating an incentive from something that is actually free.
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AlexSays commented on Talking Point: Another Look at the News - 6th ...:
What more could you ask for?
More than like four third party games on a console? At least a number in the same ballpark as the other consoles?
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AlexSays commented on Club Nintendo's Gold and Platinum Prizes Have ...:
Well, I buy their products to enjoy the products themselves.
Then you can be happy as always. That doesn't mean everyone has to be, and they shouldn't be ridiculed because of it.
If people redeemed all of their bottle cap codes in anticipation of something cool and were let down by a pack of Sprite playing cards, they can be disappointed as well.