PlatinumGames made waves this week with the announcement that it had launched a Kickstarter campaign to bring The Wonderful 101 to Switch, PS4 and Steam. The company had worked with Nintendo on acquiring the rights to the IP, and at the time of writing the crowdfunding campaign has raised over $1,440,000.
With PlatinumGames' shift into self-publishing, it's inevitable that other older titles will be revived, and producer Atsushi Inaba has revealed in an interview with IGN Japan that the studio is keen to bring the Bayonetta series to a wider audience.
The original game was published by Sega on the PS3 and Xbox 360, and was later ported to the Wii U and Switch. For the sequel, Nintendo stepped in to provide funding and therefore owns half of the IP. The third Bayonetta game is currently in development for Switch, and Nintendo is again funding development.
While Nintendo was perfectly fine with allowing PlatinumGames to bring The Wonderful 101 to other platforms, Bayonetta might be a slightly different proposition. Wonderful 101 didn't sell particularly well on Wii U, whereas Bayonetta 2 (and its forthcoming sequel) are much higher-profile; it's doubtful that Nintendo (or Sega, for that matter) would be willing to relinquish those rights as freely.
But stranger things have happened, right?
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Never gonna happen
Don't take the p%$$ Platinum. Is this why Bayonetta 3 is taking so damn long!?
I can see Nintendo being lenient forwards an Xbox release of Bayonetta 1 & 2, as Nintendo and Microsoft have recently warmed up to each other and it may be mutually beneficial.
Sony on the other hand, very doubtful.
No, don't like it. Come on Platinum....Nintendo's already been cool...but doing this you're putting them on the spot and making them the bad guy. This is a bs move, don't like it one bit. No good deed goes unpunished. Nintendo should just buy platinum
I can understand that if they are trying to take Bayonetta to the next gen level. But lets get B3 out before we worry about other platforms.
I have my doubts. Bayonetta 2 and 3 doesn't look like it. Nintendo funded these games. If Nintendo lets this happen, then Sony can divvy up one or 2 of their exclusives (like SFV) to ease a fair trade. MS has already shown good faith by giving Ori AND Cuphead to Nintendo.
@mother_brain_85 Yeah, this is a messed up thing Platinum is doing....I do NOT like it!
Nope other systems/platforms cannot have Bayonetta.
@RupeeClock Xbox is already getting Bayonetta 1
So long as Bayonetta is a part of Smash Bros., I think Nintendo is going to want to hold onto her as long as they can.
I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo let them, for some financial compensation at least. Bayonetta 2 didn't exactly fly off the shelves and in all honesty I don't see the third doing that well either.
Let them sell it elsewhere in return for some of the profits and bring us Nier Automata in return
@HammerKirby Nintendo didn't fund Bayo 1's development.
umm, how about you finish bringing the complete Bayonetta, ie B3, to Switch first before you go shopping the "complete" trilogy around. #thankyouverymuch
There is absolutely nothing wrong with system exclusives. I feel like XBox and PS gamers are all like, no you can't have this and if you want to play it then buy the system. But the moment it's a Nintendo exclusive, the same people are all crying that it's not coming to other systems and boo Nintendo for not playing nice with others. Screw that. You want to play Bayonetta, buy a Switch. Simple as that. Without Nintendo, Bayonetta 2 or 3 wouldn't exist so I hope Nintendo holds firm saying the Umbra Witch is exclusive to Mario's house!!
Looks like Platinum are trying to milk it after their successful Kickstarter.
Bring Vanquish and Metal Gear Revengeance to to the Switch and I’ll be happy
I've been speculating for some time (at least partially) the reasoning behind Bayonetta 3's secrecy is because they're planning a multi-platform release. This is odd, though, because the entirety of its promotion has been aimed at the Switch market.
Writing strictly as someone who was introduced to Bayonetta through Smash Bros, it's puzzling why Nintendo never attempted to claim the Bayonetta IP after funding Bayonetta 2 and saving the franchise from obscurity. In my eyes, Bayonetta is a Nintendo IP, but I also play a lot of Smash Bros. Perhaps my opinion here is negligible.
I'm mainly a Nintendo gamer nowadays. I bought both Bayonetta games on Wii U, I bought them again on Switch and I just began a new Bayonetta 2 playthrough.
And you know what? I wouldn't mind this amazing game being released on more platforms, so that more people can enjoy it.
I'm surprised how open they are about it. Platinum has stated in the past that they want to veer away from console exclusives in the future, sometime after Astral Chain's announcement.
Honestly, it would be cool if Nintendo reciprocated the sort of openness towards software in some ways with Xbox. The Platinum games are a great start. I think we're bound to see Bayo 2 move elsewhere and that's great. It's not like the Switch really needs Bayo 2 as an exclusive anymore and considering how excellently Bayo 1 runs so well in 4K on PC, it seems I'd love to see the sequel get its deserved love elsewhere.
Platinum saw the gold$$$ in multiplatforming. It's a company, company go for profits, leave them be. Also, Bayonetta on native 4k running on my pc would be shiny
I get that they're happy to get the Kickstarter support and funding....but don't go crazy!
This studio seems to swing between excellence and disaster, I'd rather see them grow at a manageable rate instead of taking on everything. Here's hoping they can regain their IPs at some point - but for now W101 and Bayo 3 is more than enough.
So let's look back at history:
The reason Bayo 2 was even a thing was that Bayo 1 essentially flopped and no one wanted to pick up a sequel other than Nintendo, which is why we got a Bayo 2, so now Platinum thinks the landscape is favorable enough to return to what they were before?
The W101 thing was cool, but now I'm starting to get skeptical about what Platinum is doing here.
@xpownz I'd be pretty frustrated if Bayonetta 2 and 3 released on some other system. Most likely it'd be optimized for those systems, and I would feel like I got
I agree with everyone here. I don't see Bayonetta 2 and 3 going to other platforms since Nintendo footed the bill for it's development.
Now if Nintendo didn't pay for the development then they should be allowed to port it to other systems.
They are now trying to go full independent but I feel like they are trying to jump into the deep end far too quickly which could backfire on them massively.
Probably not going to happen.
I wouldn't mind seeing the games go to Xbone/XSeX, though, considering how cool Microsoft has been about some of its best exclusive games going to other platforms.
Come on Platinum. Don't start being that guy
The more people that get to play this amazing series, the better. Nintendo might be better taking a cut of the profits, nobody’s buying a Switch solely for Bayonetta 2 and 3 so why not make money from a multiplat release?
Well, the first Bayonetta is already going the 4K treatment in a pack with Vanquish, next month, I believe.
But for the second installment, and furthermore the third, I think it's a different scenario. Cause, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Nintendo itself put some money in the machine, right ?
Damn Platinum Games just cause Nintendo allow you to give one away doesn't mean they would give all away. Besides didn't you guys also had other games not by Nintendo you could give away? Would be best to start with those then on the Nintendo ones.
@mother_brain_85 so you only buy games out of platform loyalty and not because they're good?
Looks like we are gonna lose all our Platinum games. Or at least the "exclusivity" (Bayonetta 2, Wonderfull 101, Astral chain). So that's what the Tencent deal is about. Its not good for us, that's for sure.
Because port begging for Bayonetta 2 wasn't bad enough already.
@LUIGITORNADO That's Nintendo's fault for releasing a console with less horsepower. And your fault, because you knew what you were buying into, if you buy a switch and feel bad for its performance compared to others, so sorry. I love my switch, love its first/second party games, and will keep playing it as long as they come, but I never feel bad about performance cuz I know exactly what I was getting
@nessisonett Why do you think people wouldn't be willing to buy a Switch to play Bayonetta 3?
@xpownz
So when do I get to play god of war on the switch?
@VGScrapbook I remember your comment from the W101 article!
@sword_9mm ask sony, not me, do I look like GoW IP owner?
It keeps sounding like Nintendo's the bad guy here...
If Nintendo recouped their investment I don't see a problem with Platinum (ultimately in business to make money) wanting to take Bayonetta to other platforms. Bayonetta 2 can't be selling in significant numbers anymore? This wouldn't hurt sales on Switch.
Maybe make 3 a timed exclusive - 1 (again) & 2 would drum up more interest in the Switch if it's the only way to play 3 for now.
Surely a bit of sharing (like Cuphead) is only a good thing for all gamers, and could lead to even better things in future.
@Mii_duck Agreed. I would be ok if they released Bayonetta 2 on other consoles, while keeping Bayonetta 3 exclusive on the Switch for some time. With the exception of a spike near the release of Bayonetta 3, Bayonetta 2 is not going to have a lot more sales. Releasing it on other platforms could increase interest in the series, and hopefully lead to some who are still on the fence about getting a Switch to picking one up to play Bayonetta 3.
They could do whatever they want, if Nintendo says ok. The only issue is, Bayonetta on Switch hasn't really moved in price since release. So it's probably been profitable. Are they actually going to make more money when it drops to 5 or 10 dollars on the xbox, sony, or steam marketplaces?
I think Nintendo invested too much into 2&3 for them to make it multiplat. I'd like to be wrong though, more people playing these games the better.
I thought the PS and Xbox people hated port begging. 🙃
Something feels fishy to me about Platinum. I just can't put my finger on it. It might be that they're on that Kickstarter high, or its something entirely different.
@xpownz My fault? Lol, dude. I have a PC. I'm not a Switch ONLY gamer.
I originally owned Bayonetta on the 360 back in the day. I was thrilled to see Nintendo was bringing it back to life on Wii U, and bought it up, but if I had the choice back then to play Bayonetta 2 on a PS4, PC, or Wii U, I'd pick my PC.
But since that wasn't an option, I made do with the Wii U.
Now that Bayonetta 3 is coming to Switch and supposedly no where else, I'm obviously going to buy it, but if what I thought was an exclusive game was headed towards PC I'd probably hold out and not buy it for Switch.
So yeah. Frustrated, and not my fault. Especially since Platinum has said numerous times, "it's not going to happen. Ask Nintendo for Zelda to come to a different system while you're at it," but now they're saying, "Yeah, we'd like to put Bayonetta 2/3 on another system."
It's kind of bullpoo.
As much as I'd love to have Bayonetta 2 on a machine capable of running it at 4K60, I don't think Nintendo will allow it. Honestly they shouldn't either. They paid for that game to be made so they get to have it on their system. It sucks some people can't play it but I'd rather it exist at all.
Dont go this road platinum. I like you guys, but dont go this road.
I highly doubt Nintendo would go for it unlike W101.
More games = better for everyone imo. Bayo isn't a platform holder IP. Do people really care about her that much that they legitimately don't want players on other consoles to be able to play the game? It's so childish.
While i'd be happy for more ppl to experience their great games i don't see Nintendo letting off IPs such as Bayonetta and Astral Chain. W101 was a "unique" case as Platinum themselves stated.
@vyseofhr What you described are console fanboys in a nutshell. You'd be surprised.
@RupeeClock You mean, Microsoft needed the additional PR to make themselves look better than the failures they have become? Nintendo doesn't need MS and the notion that MS "giving" them (because they didn't, they were all from 3rd parties or were already multiplatform) games doesn't mean the two companies are playing nice.
As for Bayonetta, exclusives are the reason to buy a console so letting that go (Bayonetta 3 at the very least) would be bad business for Nintendo. Letting the first two be rereleased would actually help Nintendo however, and poses no threat since they're older titles, much like how Horizon Zero Dawn went multiplatform after 4 years. Sony already got the benefits from it, now is a good time to pump interest in the sequel.
Let Bayo & Bayo 2 go, keep Bayo 3 exclusive. Good for business, good for competition, good for consumers.
@RupeeClock, my thoughts exactly!
As a multi console owner and a HUGE Bayonetta fan, my girl deserves 4k 60fps. Now if Bayonetta only comes to Switch, I’m ok with that. I’ll just play it there. But, if ever I was given a choice... I chose to see that along side the new DMC.
I don't have a problem with this. More people playing Bayonetta is a good thing. It might even be in Nintendo's best interest. If they cut Platinum some slack here, they will continue to see Nintendo as a safe and reasonable partner for futer games. If not, Platinum may think twice about future partnerships now that they are trying to have more control over their IPs. Industry is changing. Microsoft games are on Switch, Sony games are on PC, even Nintendo has games on mobile.
Normally I don't care too much but this is one of those times where I personally say no. The 2nd and now 3rd game would not exist at all without Nintendo's involvement.
I don’t see it happening because Bayonetta is a series that helps drive sales a bit, and helps diversify Nintendo’s image. I don’t think saying no is gonna hurt Nintendo’s relationship with Platinum since Nintendo took a risk helping them with Bayonetta 2.
Some of the comments in here are pretty questionable. Too much brand loyality.
It has been obvious for quite some time that PG are growing quite tired of being a 2nd party developer. I think Scalebound and Granblue were pretty much the straw that broke the camel's back and they are trying to develop independ. Their games are really good but are always flying under the radar. No wonder they are trying to reach a wider audience.
That said, I'm usually all up for sharing good games across as many platforms as possible. However, Bayonetta is a different case as the franchise would be dead without Nintendo stepping in.
@xpownz
Simply because since Resident Evil 4, Playstation fanboys are pissing me off big time. They basically are like: "We are the only ones who should get ALL games and if you want this or that game, just buy a Playstation. RE4 for a Nintendo console? YUCK! I will never buy this."
@able_to_think
What do you mean "can't play it"? Are some people not allowed to buy a Switch?
I have mixed feelings really.
On one hand, it would be awesome playing the Bayonetta games on my PS4.
I'm more inclined to say however, that Bayonetta should remain a Nintendo exclusive, and that Platinum should show some respect to Nintendo for helping make Bayonetta 2 & (eventually) 3 happen.
Platinum have proven they can come up with new IP so, IMO, just call Bayonetta 3 the final part of the trilogy when it releases and leave it on Switch... And then develop something new that they can do whatever they want with, and release it on whichever platform they want.
So any translated quotes for this?
They obviously feel very excited about the success of the Kickstarter campaign for 101. But we all have to remember that not only Nintendo share the IP of Bayonetta with them, but Sega also has a cut of the Bayonetta cake, so they’d have to deal with two companies in order to fully own the IP. And that would never happen, since Bayonetta 2 was actually a very successful game, and Nintendo funded two games of the franchise.
Don't give in to port beggars
@Morph I did it by myself (or google chrome did it for me anyways). The producer basically says that if the chance appears to self publish every game, including Bayonetta, they would take it
@Nintyfan HZD is not 4y old(barely 3) and hasn't gone multiplatform yet. There's only a rumour looming around for a pc port. Just to clarify a couple of things.
Nintendo payed for the last 2 - so they can set the rules. I accept that, why I own a Switch.
If Platinum is willing to take over for Nintendo and fund something after #3 and take it back multiplatform - 100% GO for it.
SEGA should Just do what MLB did with SONY and TheShow. Either everywhere or nowhere from 2021 and on.
@YozenFroghurt Ask Sony fans the same question about 3d party exclusives like Bloodborne and Persona 5. I believe you'll arrive at the same conclusion.
It's kind of crazy to me how many people here are on about people being too 'brand loyal'. It stinks of anti-exclusive mindsets to me, which would be an absolutely terrible thing for the industry. Not everything should be on every system! Exclusives need to be a thing, and wanting exclusives to stay where they released is not a bad thing.
Cause the first Mass Effect didn’t end up on the PlayStation 3 either. If Nintendo and Platinum are cool with it then why not I say, just like it’s great to see all the games coming to Switch why not the other way round, you guys enjoyed Cuphead and Ori didn’t you?
@ObeliskDrakon Understandable for first-party titles. But how does having Bayonetta ( or even Street Fighter 5 for example) available to more than one console hurt the industry in any way?
And if it's ultimately an issue for Nintendo, there is nothing stopping them from taking steps in making Bayonetta truly exclusive
@Morph people have ignored what he actually said. He said it is a pipe dream for them to self publish bayonetta. Every development house would love to self publish the games they make.
It's just not that simple. Nintendo are not gonna sell there rights to bayonetta 2 & 3 anytime soon.
Bayonetta 4 is interesting as Platinum may fund it themselves.
Bayonetta 2? Go right ahead, it's a six-year old game that demands more recognition and appreciation.
Bayonetta 3? Meh, sorry, that needs to be a Switch exclusive until the platform is discontinued. Then port it to PS5 and Series X in four or five years.
@YozenFroghurt
"Nintendo fans: No! This must never happen to the game we didn't buy!
Me: Pathetic idiots."
Me: I bought them both for the Wii U and the Switch.
You: I'm a pathetic troll.
I don't think this would be possible a few years ago, but with how the relationship has developed between Nintendo and Microsoft, I would not be shocked if they came to some kind of agreement where they allow Bayonetta to be released on Xbox in exchange for another title that was previously exclusive to Xbox to be released on Switch.
@Ralizah As much as Bayo 3 will be a big game, I just don’t see it being a system seller. Nintendo consoles are traditionally bought for games such as Smash, Mario Kart, Zelda, Mario. I really don’t think that Bayo 3 being multiplat would cause that many people to suddenly not buy a Switch. It’s surely in Nintendo’s best interests to get a cut of the profits from a game that I bet would sell well on all three other platforms.
@kobashi100 - The Bayonetta series is a Sega IP, not Nintendo's. Nintendo only funded the second and third game.
@kobashi100 @Edu23XWiiU which is exactly what I expected. The whole article is quite 'clickbaity' with no quotes to actually support it. I don't normally take issue with news articles but I knew the minute there were no quotes attached it was going to be potentially misleading.
Sega owns the actual IP for this (that means all the games are owned by Sega) and the publishing rights to the first game.
Nintendo owns the publishing rights to the second and third game.
So this process goes a little something like this:
Nintendo goes to Sega to get a contract signed to have the 3rd game made exclusively for their hardware, most likely before the Switch even launched.
Sega then goes to Platinum games to have them develop the game as they did with the first two.
When the game is ready Nintendo will then step in and publish the game as per the contract they signed.
To be clear, Platinum owns none of the rights for the property in any capacity whatsoever.
Not saying this can't happen but it isn't really Platinum's place to discuss it.
However it probably isn't as clear as that, certainly for Bayonetta 1 it probably is, but 2 and 3 will be a different story as per whatever contract Nintendo worked out with Sega. While Sega own the IP it doesn't mean they fully own the games. We also don't know if there's a time limit on the Nintendo exclusivity and if Nintendo take a cut of any future releases past a certain point in time.
@nessisonett It isn't really about sales but brand recognition, sure Astral Chain turned a success while Bayonetta 2 did more discreetly, but those are games people associate as part of the Nintendo ecosystem and they see enough value in them to keep supporting Platinum. If it were purely about sales Metroid Prime 4 wouldn't be happening at all regardless of being a first party
Aside from Nintendo’s multi million selling first party stuff, I don’t think the games industry can afford exclusives any more. All the Microsoft stuff is on PC, and Cuphead and Ori are on the Switch, Horizon Zero Dawn has gone from exclusive to being on the PC, and a dozen more ‘exclusive’ games are being rumoured to coming to other systems (Persona?)
You’ve got to think game development is only going to get more and more expensive, and I can’t see companies losing or leaving money on the table- including a Microsoft and Sony.
And possibly Nintendo?
@YozenFroghurt
"Yeah so did I, moron. But most of you supposed fans didn't. Fact. Cry troll as much as you want. How does the sand taste with your head under there?"
1. You'd never call me 'moron' to my face. So, whatever.
2. Where are the supposed facts you talk about? How can you quantitatively prove that "most (of you) supposed fans" didn't buy the game? You can't? Oh.
3. What did I possibly type that proves I have my head in the sand about anything? I'm interested in knowing. Seriously.
Kamiya and co. did specifically say TW101 was a very special case of Nintendo allowing it, I really don't see them giving P* the okay to port the rest of Bayo and ultimately Sega is also involved in the deal. For that to happend they'd have to buy the entirety of the franchise's rights and the other two would need to agree in the first place, it's like wanting to self publish Nier Automata when the know that's a SE property and they won't let it go. They really shouldn't bite more what they can chew at the moment
Isn't Bayonetta 2 full of Nintendo references, similar to how the first one was full of Sega references?
Nintendo co-owns the second game I think. Considering that they allowed the Wonder 101 Remastered on PC and PS4 I could see this happening.
I don’t think Nintendo would be that bothered to be honest. Multi platform games will become the norm eventually.
Platinum Games makes spectacular content and to see them wanting to branch out is fiscally a unique move but I don’t think Nintendo will like the idea. -grabs popcorn- let’s see what happens next...
Nintendo also have to be careful here. Platinum would easily just come out and say ‘fine - we will juts make all our games for every other console and not for Nintendo.’ Dangerous ground to tread.
@RupeeClock The big difference is that Microsoft has very little choice, Xbox did so badly this gen to the point Game Pass is the most prominent thing they came up with. Spencer's statements about not seeing Sony or Nintendo as competition aren't surprising when Xbox is morphing onto a service rather than a platform, which is why they are allowing Minecraft, Cuphead and others to appear on every other device.
Nintendo doesn't need to go that route and are sticking to what they do best, of course it's not impossible to see Astral Chain or Bayonetta 2&3 everywhere but both companies aren't under equal conditions or much less owing each other something
@jarvismp so you completely missed what platinum actually said then.
There is no beef and the idea platinum are now gonna rebel against Nintendo is ridiculous. Platinum have always said they are grateful Nintendo funded bayonetta as the series was dead if they didn't. Nobody else was interested before bayonetta 2. Sega canceled development of bayonetta 2 as they felt it would be a failure after poor sales for the first game.
"Platinum Games producer Atsushi Inaba mentioned in an interview with IGN Japan published on Tuesday that the company is interested in self-publishing the Bayonetta series of games, but noted that it is purely a desire, and not a statement on whether or not the company could actually do it."
Look at the important bit. It is simply a desire which every development house has when they create games.
@tobsesta99 comparing wonderful 101 to bayonetta is silly. Nintendo had no interest funding an exclusive switch port as the game bombed massively.
People are so upset over nothing lol. Yes of course the members at platinum would like to, and they're also aware that it can't happen. This isn't even news?
@purpleibby Hell no. Nintendo should never own Platinum.
@DarthFoxMcCloud Lol you do realize that Nintendo fans and beg for exclusives just like any sony fan does....
@YozenFroghurt Oh. Well considering you don't mince your words, and you tell off naughty contractors, clearly I take everything back.
That was sarcasm, by the way.
Won't happen as long as Nintendo sees the value in supporting and backing exclusives that sell niche but profitable numbers (1-2 million copies).
I didn't think Nintendo owned tge IP to start with, so it's not really up to them, is it? I get they funded all that but seriously, let those devs make money and other platform owner enjoy the damn game already
Luckily the first Bayonetta was also ported to PC.
@Rafie I'm with you on Microsoft, but SFV is insufficient. That't not Sony's IP. A fair trade would be something they actually own like God of War, Horizon, or Last of Us (I think any of these would be successful on the Switch)
@kobashi100
Somewhere I read Nintendo gave Platinum Games two choices: Either Nintendo would publish The Wonderful 101, but only for Switch (obviously) or PG have to publish the game themselves, if they want to bring it multiplatform.
@MrMetroid
Can you give an example about Nintendo fans about exclusives?
@zever @zever Nintendo fully owns the publishing rights to Bayonetta 2/3. Platinum literally is unable to legally release them without Nintendo. Bayonetta 1 is a different story and they want to make a Bayonetta Deluxe and put it on PS4, PS5, XB1, XBSX, PC, etc, they can
@Kr96 don't quote me on this, but I think Astral Chain and the Bayonetta games are different. Astral Chain, I believe, is a Nintendo IP that was developed by Platinum, while the Bayonetta franchise is a Platinum IP that Nintendo owns the publishing rights to (in terms of the 2nd and 3rd games; Platinum completely owns Bayonetta 1)
@Syndrome Bloodborne is more of a special case imo. First of all Sony funded the game which is similar to Bayo 2 but the big difference is that FromSoft also received heavy development leg work from Sony's internal JapanStudio.
@MrBlacky yes Nintendo had no interest in funding an exclusive switch port of wonderful 101 as it bombed on Wii U. Instead they allowed Platinum to buy the IP back.
we can't just do a flip on the cuphead situation?
This ain't wonderful 101. This is an actual gaming culture name.
Tell Nintendo to put that money there, see what happens.
I think part 2 and part 3 will remain exclusives unless Nintendo's part in financing it was lower than we anticipated. I think Nintendo has a big stake in it though.
Now platinum have got tencent funding they seem to be getting cocky. They should not forget they were grateful to Nintendo stepping in to continue the Bayonetta franchise when they couldn’t afford to do it themselves...
Now they’ve got funding but they’re still asking the public to fund games. These things don’t sit very well with me atm.
Traitors!.... Becoming greedy aren't you....
Let's make a deal- Sega, Nintendo and Sony. Bayonetta can come to Playstation as well as Nintendo, in return Persona can come to Nintendo as well as Playstation. Fair deal?
@jtmnm From my understanding Sega owns the IP where Nintendo owns the rights to Bayonetta 2 & 3. I'm not sure, but Sega is probably just not in the mood to sell the IP since they still get a cut of the sales of Bayonetta 2 & 3 even if Nintendo foots the bill. So in that case why sell the IP? Nintendo hits me as a company that probably wants to own the full IP, but probably does not want to burn bridges with Sega to do it as the IP is just not on sale atm.
@datamonkey platinum confirmed the tencent money is strictly for new software. KS was the right option for wonderful 101 as it performed so poorly on Wii U.
@MrBlacky yes, that was in the Gematsu interview.
”...We did speak with Nintendo about it initially, but they said, ‘you either do it only with us or do it yourselves.’”
@joshuagamer Sega owns the Bayonetta IP, so for P* to develop a new entry they need Sega to give the greenlight (even if Nintendo wants to foot the bill). For them to even port Bayonetta 2/3 to other consoles they would need the approval of Sega (IP holder) and Nintendo (the rights holder). Its a messy situation and probably one they should not rock the boat on.
@mauhlin12
But unlike Nintendo for Bayonetta, Sony didn't do anything for Persona.
@joshuagamer I am pretty sure that it is Sega who owns the IP rights to Bayonetta.
Also regarding Astral Chain I read that it is a 50/50 split that Nintendo and Platinum games own the IP.
@MrBlacky The Yakuza series on PS4, Persona 5, MLB the Show, Nioh and just in general port begging. Now I'm not saying all other fans don't do this either because they do ie Sony fans demanding Astral chain, pokemon, Zelda ect. Let be real though, every fan base does it contrary to the sentiments in this thread.
Platinum are getting gready. Human nature at it's worst.... That Kickstarter has left them on Cloud9, and made them drunk by the looks of things....
@Wexter Exactly
But SEGA has no need to sell the iP. They can simply do what they did with Nintendo for Bayo 2/3 only with Platinum paying for development moving forward.
What he said was “the company is interested in self-publishing the Bayonetta series of games”
Port old ones or make new ones - I do not think it matters.
@Agramonte
Thanks you. I just don't get, why people still insist, Nintendo wouldn't have to do anything with TW101, if it clearly wasn't the case.
@mauhlin12 I like how you think lol very strategic. Poured 100+ hours into P4 and P5 and would love to have another go at them in portable mode.
@MrMetroid
That's quite different, because Sony have nothing to do with Yakuza and Persona. It's just Sega respectively Atlus not bringing the games to the Switch because of "reasons". And its the first time reading about people begging for a MLB The Show port. 🤔
I wish it was ONLY available on other consoles.
@Agramonte I could be wrong, but I believe Nintendo has a deal in the agreement that they get first dibs publishing the games if a sequel is greenlit (this is inferred based on Tweets by Hideki Kamiya) unless they pass on publishing. As I said the Bayonetta publishing situation is a mess... its just not a hill to die on right now for any of the parties.
I could be wrong, but I don't see the Bayonetta situation changing any time soon unless relations between Nintendo and P* get toxic.
This company is such a joke. If they wanted to release Bayonetta 3 on all devices then why the hell did they sign the agreement with Nintendo?
@Bobobiwan yes if Nintendo have not funded the development of this games, i think that unlikely that Nintendo will let Platinum Games release Bayonetta 2 and 3 to others consoles.
@mesome713 If they said no to Nintendo to funding the game and they wanted too find another publisher to fund the game they would still need Sega's approval.
@SilentHunter382 Just sounds stupid company to me, They let greed take control.
@MrBlacky Regardless of what the reasons are, those games were still "exclusive to PlayStation" consoles and other platform fans begged for them. I suppose a better argument would be for Nioh/Nioh 2 and Street fighter V as people want those on other platforms but Sony funded/paid for exclusivity or when Microsoft paid for Tomb raider 2 exclusivity although that seemed to backfire on them.
All I can say is good luck. I believe in more games for everyone, but since Nintendo put up money to see this franchise not die (plus the smash rep) I hope they get a cut for every sale if these games go multiplatform. For me, I'll remain with the series on Nintendo platforms. Gave away my x360 Bayonetta years ago.
That being said Sega owns the IP, but I'm not sure if they are willing to break any deal they made with Nintendo to give Platinum self publishing rights.
@Wexter Oh, wow... yeah that would complicate things. 😅
If you want a good read about publisher drama - you should read this on ProjectRED/Namco/Atari/THQ.
https://www.pcgamesn.com/how-cd-projekt-red-fought-publishers-win-their-independence
Not the same thing... but your post reminded me of the ‘first negotiation’ clause that set their story down a crazy path when making Witcher 2
@spurryitboi Yes, it is available. I can't think of any first party games that are not on the eShop, apart from the ones that need additional peripherals to work, like Ring Fit Adventure or Labo.
@HammerKirby Twice. Don't forget backwards compatibility with the Xbox 360 version.
If Platinum wants to port Bayonetta 2 and 3 to non-Nintendo dedicated gaming consoles, let them do so in 20 years. It's only fair since hardcore Nintendo fans had to wait that long for Final Fantasy VII on one of their preferred systems.
I'd love to have 2 and 3 on Xbox. I don't get why Switch owners should be angry and I own a Switch.
I honestly don’t care. I am getting Bayonetta 3 day 1 whatever system it comes out on.
it doesn't help that sega and Nintendo own half the rights to bayonetta.
The fact that console-exclusive barriers are slowly going away shows that Nintendo might not be too concerned if Bayonetta was no longer a Switch-exclusive. Hell, they didn't care when Octopath Traveler and Little Town Hero were announced for PC and PS4, respectively.
@Razer exactly what I thought. If Nintendo and Sega wanted, they could hire another developer. He’ll, Sega can take that decision by themselves
Who cares? The more that get to play it he merrier.
Nintendo likely will allow them to re-release the previous titles on other consoles. They are in an open-platform mood as of late because it encourages the sort of back and forth that leads to games on other consoles coming to the Switch, and they traditionally aren't incredibly aggressive about seeking exclusivity when it comes to IPs they don't fully own, hence Switch titles like Octopath Traveler, Little Town Hero, and Daemon X Machina appearing on other platforms. I do think the way Platinum are going about it is a bit questionable, however (as was their decision to accept Chinese funding; whoever is responsible for these decisions should be let go). Nintendo have been more than good to them, there is no reason for Platinum to be taking their wants to the public rather than hashing it out with Nintendo internally.
Time for Koei Tecmo to revive Project Zero?
@link3710 yeah exactly, it's just NL posting this in the hope of stirring the pot so that people jump at each other's throats, and unfortunately they managed exactly that (for the Nth time).
Notice that there's no direct quote in here.
@RupeeClock I’d say PC is most likely. I read the interview and it sounds like it took a lot of persistence to get Nintendo to agree to the porting of W101 but Nintendo agreed because they had doubts about the viability of the IP, but that is really unusual because of how protective Nintendo is of its IP. Nintendo has invested much more into Bayonetta so it really doesn’t seem likely.
I suddenly have the taste of salt in my mouth.
I think it’d be cool to release Bayo 2 on other platforms—it’s been a while since it first came out, after all, and the Switch has had it for a year or so now too. It’d help build hype for Bayonetta 3.
Buuuut Ninty gets very territorial over successful IPs, so it’s unlikely.
@Agramonte I'm still surprised Sony even did that. MLB isn't a big seller anyway. They could have just walked away or called their bluff.
@mesome713 bit unfair. I bet if you asked most third parties if they would like to see there games in the hands of more gamers they would say in an ideal world it would be great. At the same time they would express like platinum did it is just a desire.
not going to happen platinum since nintendo probably owns a share in the ip and only one that treats it with respect not like microsoft or sony who give the middle finger to the ip.
To everyone downvoting comments who are angry that Nintendo will never release Bayonetta: Seethe harder. It makes me laugh.
@DrDaisy good luck with that nintendo and sega mostly likely both sharing ownership of the the ip so i dont see future bayonetta sequels coming to xbox or playstation since they give the middle finger to the sequel so they dont deserve it period.
@MrBlacky Yeah it is kind of different. Nintendo owns half the Bayo IP, but as far as I know Sony has no ownership over Persona. There must be some sort of exclusivity contract or maybe just a handshake agreement in place since mainline Persona games have only been on Playstation for 24 years. Maybe a Persona 5 trade for SMT 5 would have been a more logical deal, but that wouldn't be at all relevant to this article.
I'd say if it's possible, and nintendos fine with it, do it. More people get to play the game, so no problem there
@MrMetroid P5 was my first Persona and I loved it. I picked up P3 and P4 on PS2, but I don't think my poor eyes could handle staring at a CRT for 200 hours like that. I'm surprised the older Personas haven't even been ported to PS4 yet.
I could see this happening in the shadows, and then switch getting games that have previously lived on PlayStation and XBox, with little fanfare about the behind the scenes.
@RiasGremory A lot can happen in 20 years. Now Sony and Microsoft are showing interest in streaming their games to a Nintendo console. Who would have guessed that back in 2000?
Platinum just needs to pay Nintendo back all the money Nintendo gave them before. Easy. With interest of course.
not happening and people has got to slow down thier excitement over this.
@DrDaisy you forget sega and nintendo have a solid relationship and i dont see sega letting the ip on any other consoles besides nintendo system since nintendo cares about the ip then microsoft and sony did.
@purpleibby yeah ik
@Darlinfan Actually, it’s flaming hot Cheeto dust!
NO! Nintendo saved the franchise and they had no reason to! No motives, no behind the scenes bullcrap like all gaming companies. They had no reason to help Platinum and buy partial ownership, while Sega no longer really cared about Bayonetta.
@mattmayatt
too little too late honesty, we have all been waiting for bayonetta 1&2 to come to other platforms and it still hasn't happened.
@RiasGremory I forget nothing. Besides, this is just hypothetical anyway. I don't really care whether it happens or not, although if it does actually happen 20 years later, I'll be stoked that I called it.
Ok i created an account, cause I have to step in cause all of this is bloody crazy...for the longest time now, whenever a Direct is about to happen or any game reveal or anything Nintendo 99.9% of Nintendo fans dont care about Bayonetta, when asked what games they expect/want most its all about Botw2, Animal Crossing, Metroid 4, Pikmin, Pokemon and Mario. Not ONCE do I see yall ask for Bayonetta, ever...maybe 2 or 3 mentions and you wanna know why? Its cause you do NOT CARE about that game, which is fine clearly hack n slash is not your cup of tea. So why get so salty and angry at Platinum when they express their wish to bring the series to a wider audience? Bayonetta deserves way more and wayyyy better then what Nintendo audience gives her, cause its an amazing game, but clearly you can't look past Zelda and Pokemon which is really sad. Ether start supporting it and BUY IT, instead of crying that someone else wants to play with your toys that you consider trash anyway.
PS. Let me NOT GET STARTED on Super Smash Bros and how you all lose your s*** for a character reveal (which are not even that good mind you too many swords) then an actual new game. Just cause of that you have NO right to say anything against Platinum G.
It's hard to answer without sounding selfish but ....no....Nintendo....don't let it happen. Bayonetta 1 is coming to PS4 and Xbox this month. That's fine ....but Bayonetta 2 and 3 are Nintendo funded projects so keep those games exclusive to Nintendo's platforms. They had faith in the games when others didn't.
@Nintendofan83 i agree and most likely a fourth one would come to nintendo system as well down the road.
@YenniferGeralt I care about bayonetta, and I even buy it! 😋. Ill probabaly ask for it at the next direct too, so keep your eyes peeled.
@zever Nintendo co-owns the rights of the second (and upcoming third) game. The actual IP is owned by SEGA.
As Stormzy says, you're getting way too big for ya boots.
Uh, yeah... How is this a bad thing?
@MrMetroid While your statement might be true that wasn't my point though.
@Darlinfan @mattmayatt
Self autonomous?
A port could happen in the future since SEGA owns the IP, but Nintendo did pay for exclusivity rights highly likely under contract with SEGA so a port of Bayonetta 2 and 3 are not likely until the contract expires unless the contract is non-expiring which would mean such ports will never happen.
Not happening as Nintendo invested a lot in the ip.
@YenniferGeralt
What a bunch of cr**. 🙄 How much "you" cared everyone can see, when Bayonetta sold around 1,2 - 1,3 Mill. (PS3) and 0,9 - 1,0 Mill. (XB360) total at a time the sales numbers of these consoles where well over 20 Mill. each, when the game launched and climbed well over 50 MilI. lifetime. Considering that, I do believe Bayonetta 2 sales with around 0,8 Mill. - 0,9 Mill. weren't THAT bad, considering the install base of maybe not even 10 Mill. Wii U consoles at that time and close to 14 Mill. units total.
Would love for the whole series to be released on PC
I think Nintendo would be cool about releasing it on PC. Not sure about ps4.
Just do it.... and worry about the lawsuits later.
As long as Platinum continue to bring amazing games to Nintendo platforms, I don't really care if they're exclusive or not.
@purpleibby
Insightful and agreed. It does put Nintendo on the spot. Seems Platinum would like to bully Nintendo into letting them publish by showing an "it's not us, it's them" attitude to the general crowd. Not a nice move, disappointed. They should negotiate with their publisher before making such statements. (I'm personally fine with the games being multiplatform, but I lost some respect for Platinum if they indeed haven't run this by Nintendo first.)
Nintendo is very high and mighty, of course they would never get dirty over some petty IP scuffle, they couldn’t be bothered to buy off Rare back when they where making better games than Nintendo itself, they couldn’t be bothered building strong relationships with third party developers during the Game Cube days, during the Wii era they basically forced any developer willing to make games for the system to build custom versions of their games that could fit the console’s sorry specs, and the less is said about the Wii U the better. Also, some fanboys forget that Nintendo didn’t have a hand in the creation of the Bayonetta IP, they only helped fund development and publish the second game and the third game has had such a slow development it wouldn’t surprise me if they have forgotten about it altogether.
Nintendo might greenlight this sometime during next generation, but certainly not for the first five years after the launch of Bayonetta 3.
There's an error in the article. Nintendo does not own "half the IP" of Bayonetta.
It is owned wholly by SEGA. Nintendo simply licensed it and published the sequel game.
Not sure where that rumor started, but it's completely unsourced.
Bayonetta 1 were originally Xbox 360 exclusive, and Sega later hired bad developer to port a almost non playable version to PS3 which stuttered all the time. Infact the port is so bad they were unable to fix it.
If Nintendo truly wants platinum to be an exclusive developer, maybe they should take some of that fat stack of cash they're sitting on from 52 million Switch sales and buy Platinum. Beyoncé was right, "If you like it, then you should've put a ring on it."
@Kochambra I agree. Nothing wrong with sharing games. If more people get to play an awesome game, that's fantastic.
@joshuagamer The Bayonetta IP isn't owned by Nintendo either. Nintendo funded Bayonetta 2. Just the same as Sony funded most of Street Fighter V. That's why I mentioned it. It would be a fair trade. No God of War, Horizon, Last Of Us, etc would be a fair because those are 1st party games for PlayStation. Nintendo would have to give up a Mario or Zelda title to satisfy that type of deal.
@nessisonett It's because Nintendo finances PlatinumGames in developing both Bayonetta 2 and 3. If it weren't for the Big N whiteknighting both projects, the entire franchise would have ceased to exist. As of right now, according to the Head of PG, Nintendo and SEGA own half of Bayonetta's IP.
@mauhlin12 No deal.
@gojiguy Actually, the head of PlatinumGames Inaba is right. Nintendo and SEGA share the intellectual properties of the Bayonetta franchise. There's absolutely no freaking way that Bayonetta 2 and 3 (and future sequels, if possible) will ever be ported on Sony and Microsoft systems including STEAM/PC. These two will forever remain a Nintendo exclusive. The same goes to Astral Chain (Nintendo and PlatinumGames own the trademarked copyright). With the exception of The Wonderful 101 (Remastered).
@mauhlin12 Persona 3 FES on the PS2 was my first persona game and I played all subsequent ones (P3P, P4, P4G, PQ, P5 and PQ2)
After playing 3 on the PS2, I went back to try P2 but imo it was a lot more hardcore and closer to the SMT mainline games than the Persona we know today. If you like persona, I would recommend the Devil Survivor series on the Nintendo DS as they're excellent games.
@purpleibby but the article says that Nintendo owns 50% of the IP. Nintendo does make the decision on even the first game.
@YenniferGeralt I’m looking forward to Bayonetta 3. Does that lower it from the ridiculously stated 98.9% that don’t care to 99.8%?
@Gwynbleidd there is already a Bayonetta movie. It is an anime.
@OscarHTX. Its even funnier ps and xbox fans did the same and where far louder when any wiiu and switch game came to their systems. Even ones they bashed and ridiculed wonderful 101 being one of said games on the wiiu...
@readalie
Waiting for sony to let spiderman and their exclusives to come on xbox and switch since where talking about nintendo keeping exclusives like thats a bad thing
@Dysnomia the first games japanese voice overs
@Lady_rosalina I don’t think it’s a bad thing to have exclusives. I’d prefer to be able to play any game but that doesn’t look likely, lol, and I’m fine with that. But the Bayonetta games weren’t made by Nintendo, and only 2 and 3 were published by them, so they already have fans from other systems.
I like what Nintendo has been doing with a lot of newer indies: timed exclusives. Best of both worlds imo.
@readalie i thought it was said they own half the series since they funded and published 2 and 3. In a recent interview from the company president...
@Lady_rosalina Actually, Sega still owns the Bayonetta IP.
@DarthFoxMcCloud That's not always true! I will always choose PS over any other console. But I don't like exclusives even if I have the system it's exclusive too. I think all gamers should be able to enjoy the games they love on the console they prefer. I own a Switch, and while I will still get Bayonetta series on Switch, I'd like it on PS for the trophies plus I like the controller better. I'd be afraid of breaking my controller on my Switch with a game like Bayonetta. I mean, I own three versions of most of my games. Two for PS (NA and JP versions, double trophies) and Switch.
I'm sorry guyz, but i'm seein some ppl r SO happy that Nintendo Finaly got a DMC-GoW alike game, that makes em feel bad if Bayonetta run Multiplatform. BUT, i came here coz i just played Bayonetta (1) on Steam n i tried to find if Bayonetta 2 will ever run on Steam, epsecialy after 7 Years, after the game made it's money to Nintendo.
After all Nintendo is a HUGE company n got LOT of Exclusive-Historical games, Why u mind so bad for Bayonetta? (Lemme tell u. Coz it's the Only game that looks like DMC)
But RLY guyz.. think of it.. i just played Bayonetta 1 i just finished the game 2 hourz ago and LOVED IT SO MUCH that i wanna Buy the sequel NOW n start Play.
Why the Exclusivity have to Force me buy Nintendo Switch for just ONE Serie game, the same time the Starting-Origin runs on Steam also? Why i have to pay 300-400 Euro for Switch? I WANT to pay for the sequels coz that's all i need, especialy after 7 (Seven) years of the 2nd part. Ok Keep 1-2 Years the Exclusivity for the 3rd part. But plz...
It's like GTA RP servers want from me to buy 1500Euro PC to play Just and Only GTA RP.. its Ridiculous coz GTA Runs ALREADY on my PC. Like Bayonetta.
It's a game that it's 1st scenario published on Steam. Stop being bad guyz that give something public n then keep the continuation for u only.
(After all u makin ppl DL emulators to run Exclusive games that don't make money from a time and on. So u still got No Exclusivity, n Company loses money from the "unpublicity") I DON'T like to be the Pirate Guy, but some of these tactics makes me. PLZ PLZ PLZ Publish Bayonetta 2, and after 2 years of Bayonetta 3 make the same. (Prayin)
BTW, Soz for my English. I know it's bad but i think u get the point n u understand.
@ValentineFleuriste Ofc, Exclusive titles/IPs devide players n makes em fanatic on each machine they "accidentaly" got. We r all gamers, all players after all. N times like this one i see why Cloud-thing gonna replace all these machines and companies like Nintendo and Sony gonna be the only Losers from this.
Have u ever heard that in the next years Cloud-Machines going to overcome all other physical machines?
So EVERY COMPANY will start use Subscription and we'll can play ANYTHING we like in ANY machine we got. (something that could use from now n multiplatform ANY big title n no1 would be jealous) The only thing that u'll need will be the Internet and a common PC. That's the future they all want?? OK then.. It's comming.
If u don't want to do something, the Time will make it happen.
I just found this article. I have absolutely no clue why people are so up in arms of the idea of these games going multiplat. Nintendo doesn't actually own the IP, they just own the publishing rights to the sequels which Sega could probably but back, and if they DO come to other platforms, it's not not like Switch players would suddenly lose access to them. They have absolutely nothing to complain about. Them going to other platforms would be better for everyone. Maybe not for Nintendo, but do you really care that much about that?
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