Smash Bros. Ultimate's 5th DLC Character Will Be Revealed On 16th January In Livestream

So, no direct? SMMMMASH!

Personally hoping we finally get Porky

Why not just give us a direct?

It's me! I'm the final challenger!

It's probably Dante just saying

It’s be nice if it’s a reveal and release on the same day.

Fingers crossed for Doom guy!

I’d really prefer not another weeb character with a meter.

Did not see that coming! I doubt very much that there are any leakers that called this one. 16th? Oh, that really coincides with the first of a round of 3 parts of DMC3-related news. Shantae, Arle, or Dante? Let's GOOOO!

@PickledKong64 Dante looks pretty likely since this is one of the teased dates

Nice, hope for a shadow drop

Shantae Sora or the Astral Chain twins

Nintendo is going to hold off a Direct for as long as humanly possible

Didn't a voice actor from DMC already leak that his character was in Smash or did I misread a headline?

Oh shoot, it's finally happening!

Here's hoping for more surprises in that 35 minutes.

Looks like it'll be an overcomplicated moveset again.

About time need a new eShop card

Shame it isn't a normal Direct with Smash news tagged on like in September. Backlog and TMS#FE Encore it is for January then.

Given the DMC3 news stating January 16th as one of new info dates, I'm guessing Dante is DLC 5.

This most likely means no January direct... 😔

"MR. SAKURAI PRESENTS ???"

So the next fighter is Missingno?

No direct which means Nintendo is gonna give us another disgraceful 1st half of the year

@DAHstroy maybe since you cant believe leaks.i really hate people who spoile things.takes the surprise outta things.funny how people make a career outta it.they need a life

@theiRiS We already had a Pokémon Direct.

@Grumblevolcano I mean there has been plenty of requests for Dante and that would be awesome to release best DMC game with a character reveal. Could boost sales even

Dang it, I want a Nintendo Direct! Sorry, but TBH, I couldn't care less what completely random not related to Nintendo in anyway third party character they'll reveal as Fighter Pass Character #5.

Isn't 35 minutes long for a smash direct???

Master Chief, with simultaneous release of Master Chief Collection on Switch!

Probably a Feb/March Direct then. Get some last hype for Animal Crossing and preview what's to come before E3. Maybe show a snippet of the big Holiday 2020 title that will be the focus for E3.

I want the Prince from Katamari Damacy to be the DLC fighter. It would be more creative than a typical humanoid fighter.

This almost certainly confirms the inclusion of Dante to smash. With the Devil May Cry developer saying we should keep a close watch on the 16th of January.

I’m 99% certain now

Considering the whole Fighter pack has been thrid party characters, I think people should shrink their expectations down to third part characters.

For a lot of people this is great though! Only time will tell who it could be and I'd love to hope this means Sakurai can relax after this but unfortunately he's given himself another Fighter's Pack to work on...

Fight on, Sakurai!!

Hmmm this nice but with al these mini directs it could mean two things. Either the first nintendo direct will have an ton of stuff or os ot happening until March

@sanderev not everyone cares about Pokemon

Ohhh snap!!!! My body wasnt ready lol.

My bet is Dante (DMC) or Travis from No more heroes.

Morrigan (Darkstalkers). I can dream.

Well that pretty much deconfirms a Nintendo Direct for January I guess. Either way I'm ready for this reveal! Who's gonna bet the fighter will be available 'Shortly after this presentation', or 'Tomorrow' (Friday)?

I'm willing to put money on it that its dante after that dmc3 update we got last week

IM TELLING YOU GUYS ITS VINCE YOUNG FROM MADDEN 08

Haven't been paying much attention to the leaks but Dante makes sense as he fights w/ a sword, perfect for Super Sword Bros., and he has a "shadow" character in Virgil.

I'd certainly buy a Dante amiibo to put next to Cloud and Bayonetta.

So no Direct and just Smash news? BORING

Alex from Street Fighter III!

Hope it's not Dante tbh if your giving us a capcom character rather it be viewtiful joe or Leon from resi 4 a game that's associated with Nintendo rather than a guy who's game was ported like 10years after it came out to other consoles

35mins to talk about a new Smash fighter? What a waste of time, give us a proper direct!

mmmmm yes gimme 2B

As others have said here, Dante (from DMC) is definitely most likely at this point based on the date. I wouldn't personally be that excited for him but would be excited for those who wanted him.

"It's awfully long for a Smash Direct!"
A) Not if it's Dante and he has a load of command inputs, or,
B) Not if other DLC/modes/amiibo/etc. are announced.

Alex the Kidd.

Yeah I know, no chance. But the series deserves Smash representation!

Nice. I’m ready to see this reveal. I’m guessing the 5th fighter might be Dante. But for a wild guess, I would like to see Crash Bandicoot as the 5th fighter. It’s probably not gonna happen, but it would be cool if it happened.

Travis Touchdown...

"No More Heroes 3" on the way. i think it will be him. Could be an interesting fighter?

Did you guys ask for a Direct? Here you have 2! Only... none of them is the one you expected lol.

Let´s hope the final character is Travis, and we see something else from No More Heroes 3, plus the remaster of the first ones. That´d be something.

The length of the direct make me think of a couple of possibilities:

1: basically, a new "multifighter" like a pokémon trainer(Leon or others from gen8?) ... or an Astral Chain rep(combining eithet fighter switch or dual active "fighters"... or both), the length being used to better describe every characters included in the fighter

2. Fighter reveal but also hints of the next season pass. Perhaps in depth detail about the current fighter because of a release this month rather than February

3. Not only a new fighter but new content might be outright on the way this time will be spent to discuss the new content/ modes.

Eithet way, such a long stream feels unusual to introduce a fighter? So I feel there must be indeed something special such as either a fighter that's multiple characters and/or a release date that's sooner rather than later and thus they would get into more details on the fighter so that players can immediately "jump in" as it were.

The fact that they're straight up announcing the new fighter means it's a "let's get it out there and move on to the next one" kind of thing. So, I'm gonna say... Shadow the Hedgehog.

Characters I’d be cool with: Dante, Ryu Hyabusa, Gen 8 Pokemon Starter, Geralt, Cuphead, Jibanyan or Altair

he is making a 3 with his fingers, also dmc3 releasing on switch, also dmc producer saying to keep an eye on the 16th...dante confirmed and that is so sad, I hate him and I hate the series...hope I'm completely wrong

@DAHstroy no you're right, but people are saying he might be joking or was being sarcastic, I'm just gonna tell myself that so my hope's don't get so high

I hope it is either Sora from KH, Shantae, Crash Bandicoot, Geno, Spyro, or Rayman. But please not another anime sword fighter, or a Fire Emblem character, or a Pokémon.

It will be Travis touchdown, I just know it.

It won't be Dante, remember people Nintendo already pick this character way before any Devil May Cry games were announced for Switch. I still hope it to be Ryu Hayabusa, Earthworm Jim, or Lara Croft.

Guys, Fighter #5 is going to be Exeggcute. The signs are everywhere.

Doomslayer please since we got almost ever doom game on the switch now plus doom eternal coming out in 2 months.

Can't wait for another character joining the Smash Cycle:

• People want a character in Smash.
• Character gets a huge fandom.
• Fandom starts to behave badly, whining that the character didn't come or was snubbed with a non-playable role, or coming up with conspiracy theories about how this character is going to be the next one, or even harassing Sakurai and fans of similar characters who are competition.
• Then, character gets a hatedom to oppose that.
• Haters of this character start to act even worse than the fanbase, and don't realize that.
• Hatebase claims this character is impossible and will never join Smash.
• Hatebase comes up with a bunch of arguments to prove their point, like saying the character in question is dead, irrelevant, literal who, is missing for years, has no importance to the history of Nintendo or videogames as a whole, and there are many other characters available that would sell more, most of these arguments are weak, or were even debunked by other characters.
• Hatebase comes up with a bunch of rules about who can join the game and who can't, the problem is that these rules were never officially stated by Nintendo, Sakurai, Bandai Namco, or anyone that actually worked in the game.
• Hatebase says the fanbase are a bunch of blind people, they keep rejecting evidence.
• Fanbase points to the characters already in the game to prove that no, the character they like can happen, many other characters went through the same obstacles the contender has and became fighters anyway.
• Hatebase rejects this as evidence, claiming the characters already in the game are different, pointing how the events of this cycle already happened in the past with another character is not accepted as evidence either, the character they dislike is always different and not comparable with the current roster.
• Nintendo Direct day, the character really is revealed as a Fighter.
• A few months pass, hatebase still doesn't give up, and they claim making the character a Fighter was a waste, especially because no one is actually using him/her in tournaments and sales of DLC failed, despite them having no numbers to prove that.
• But in most discussions, suddenly the latest newcomer is no longer dead, irrelevant and literal who, this newcomer was always great, important, relevant and deserved a spot, but of course, that's because the cycle will restart, and this newcomer should not be used as evidence to support the next character in the cycle.

Guys we all know who it's going to be.
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Rillaboom or Jill valentine

Dante and Vergil

@Chunkboi79 People would get so salty but that only makes me want that more lol

Fingers crossed for Reimu Hakurei

@liljmoore This was my initial reaction. Then a friend pointed out to me that this way they avoid people hueing and crying about 'why no smash info in direct'. I'm still hopeful for a next week direct... or the week after that... or after that.... For now this is the next best thing.

ok so I'm guessing full direct by the end of jan or early feb.

If you look at the history, there is usually a Direct in February - I don't expect to see one before. I expect we could see a focused Direct just for Animal Crossing though.

I want it to be Skull Kid.

I feel like Ubisoft should have some kind of character representation by now. I'd gladly take Rayman but I wouldn't be opposed to something like Assassin's Creed rep. But in the end, I don't really mind whoever it is. I've liked all of the choices so far.

I said it before the Pokémon Direct and I'll say it again. I just find it funny how so many people are complaining about there not being a normal Direct yet. I can't imagine these game specific live presentations having a big effect on the main Direct schedule. The main Direct is probably not very far away. And it's not like you get the games any sooner even if they show them off right now. They show stuff when they have stuff to show.

This makes sense to me; have a Pokemon Direct and a Smash Showcase to go ahead and take care of two of your biggest franchises, leaving more room for smaller stuff in the actual direct.

@PickledKong64 Then stop hoping, cuz you won't see him this time. Don't forget it's supposed to be a character from a franchise that wasn't in Smash Bros before

@QueenKittenWrite I agree - Smash reveals in a direct have become kind of expected now, which means theyve lost the element of surprise.

I think we will still get a direct, since Nintendo has a lot to reveal for 2020, including loads of Animal Crossing details. Everyone knew the last smash reveal was coming, so better off to leave it in its own presentation.

@QueenKittenWrite Good point, I would actually be happy about that since now there's more room for surprises! In addition, the direct will have to be jam packed if we got pokemon and Smash out of the way!

Normal Direct is likely for February tbh. That's when it was last year. People just expect big stuff for January because of the 2017 Switch Presentation and the one 2018 Jan. Direct, but historically there haven't been many normal Jan. Directs.

Didn't even notice sakurai is holding up a dang 3!!! Clearly dmc3/smash Collab (Dante for smash and some sort of bonus if you buy either fighter pack 5 or preorder dmc3)

Something to look forward to on an otherwise very unfun day.

I would love for it to be a character from Chrono Trigger but I know that is unlikely. I just hope it is an old school character that they can bring back to life like Duck Hunt, Little mac, or Ness.

Wait, don't they drop the smash character the same day as the deep-dives?

Cool of them to add the Rival from Pokémon Gold and Silver.

Hope its not the universal popular picks so we can get a interesting character like Terry and not these boring ones im seeing.

We all know it’s gonna be Earthworm Jim.

@DannyBoi
Thirty minutes of Sakurai playing smash and five minutes for the reveal.

@Supadav03 cuphead would be amazing

@dew12333
Splish Splash, your opinion is trash.

@RareFan You hope it’s not “another anime swordfighter”, but you want Sora?

Also, why are people so surprised at the length of the video? Terry’s video was about 45 minutes long, around ten minutes more than this one, where Sakurai played through his Classic mode after explaining his moveset. Who knows what he’s going to do in this one though.

JUST GIVE US A REAL DIRECT ALREADY 😭😭😭

@Pazuzu666 considering Mai couldn't make it in I doubt morigan would make it. I still really want her in though

Geno. Partnered with Waluigi. Totally confirmed.

Really hoping its Dante with his DMC5 look, this will be the only chance Dante and Bayonetta could cross paths so yeah i'm desperate to see the King and Queen of action games in one game together.

Yeah it’s gonna be Dante. And I’m willing to bet, Waluigi will be the final character we get from this whole thing whenever that is.
These are exciting times! There’s so much love and care going into this game!

Would much rather a direct..... 35 minutes for a character reveal is not for me.

I just want the second set of DLC to have actual Nintendo characters and less third-party.

DoomSlayer,mythra,ryu with momiji from ninja gaiden, or even soul calibur characters as well since theres going to be more characters coming after this 5th one is announced.

I'm assuming the dates teased about DMC are gonna be:

16th - Dante's Smash Announcement
30th - Dante DLC drops
Feb date - DMC3 drops on eshop. (Don't remember the date as I don't care for the release tbh)

The tease coinciding with the Smash Announcement is too much of a coincidence imo but we will see. I want to be surprised

I assume DLC Amiibo will also be shown now the final base roster characters are out Friday. I recon Joker, Banjo, Terry and Fighter 5 will be a wave and then they will do a set of all 4 Hero Alts for more of that money.

I'm not expecting much news for fighter pass 2 apart from it being up for order on the eshop after Fighter 5 drops with another new Mii fighter skin bonus like before.

I would say Missingno; but it'd probably delete all the other characters... But in all serious I'd like something a bit more off-the-wall, such as...
Earthworm Jim,
or Chris Redfield (Res. 4).
And please - no more Geno requests!

@KBuckley27 true but we don’t usually have two “directs” in one month.

I wouldn’t put it past Nintendo to tease Dante akin to. K.Rule and Banjo only this time to actually be someone different and reveal Dante as the first new dlc fighter at the end (because we all knew it was him lol)

It's better to not to hype too much, but rumors say the cover of this game will change to this:

It's unfortunate this harms the likelihood for a general Direct this month. I'm hungry for some Nintendo announcements. I love Smash, though; to the extent where I play it almost every day. I wonder if the presentation will be limited to the new character reveal or if there are some new modes planned. We may even get a peek into next season's DLC.

Some possibilities come up while I was discussing this with others... This is Capcom leading us on... who owns other highly requested franchises... so it could be Monster Hunter or Phoenix Wright while Dante ends up Mii costume

Hopes: Sora or Hat Kid, tease at DLC fighter 6, and Music DLC.
Expectations: A fun new character to play as in Smash, confirmation on how many fighters are going to be worked on, and whether or not they will be sold in a Fighter's Pass or individually. Oh, and Mii's. Can't forget about them.

Calling it now, the next character is going to be from a video game

I hope it's something that upsets EVERYONE. ^^

I’m thinking they’re revealing Smash and Pokemon news first before a full direct so they don’t have to focus too much time on one thing

It would be cool if Break the Targets or a new Smash Run was part of the direct. Break the targets was very instrumental in me learning characters I dont usually use.

I actually had a dream last night, where Rayman was revealed as the final addition to the first Fighter's Pass. Mind you, I never played a Rayman game or even seen much footage of one for that matter, but Ubisoft deserves a rep in Smash, imo.

@sanderev that doesn't count.

Hopefully someone badass and unexpected

Let loose the Untitled Goose! (as a playable character) 😜

There's some evidence for Dante, but I'd like to see a representative from a prolific indie game or something. Either way, as long as the character makes sense as a Smash pick and is fun to play, I'm down.

Do we really need 35 minutes for a DLC character? How about an actual Direct with maybe two minutes tops devoted to Smash DLC

It mentioned DMC, so it must be Dante.

Nintendo wouldn’t let them say something like that early. I think it’s just a red herring.

Dante would still be awesome, though I’d prefer Travis Touchdown.

@ToonStuff hey, no spoilers >: |

Just give me Bomberman!

ok i cracked the code, the 3 in sakurai's hand is for lost vikings lul

@Dman10 These videos are long as they are because they also go into detail about the character's moveset and other things added in the update. That's what these Smash dedicated videos are for. They never go into detail on a character in a "normal" direct.

"Normal" directs are the ones that just have the reveal, and the Smash dedicated videos come after, or in this case, before if the general direct is coming soon. Maybe next week, since last week we had Pokemon, and this week we have Smash. Who can say, though?

I hope he will reveal more than a new character.
Still hoping for a big update to simply invite friends online. Or a new mode (storymode) etc.
New costumes.

@Hobbesyall did you forget that the first Direct of the year in 2019 happened in February? lol

Master Chief or Cuphead/Mugman for Smash....................................but it’ll probably be Dante.

The 5th fighter is going to be revealed, and which company does not have any representation in Smash?

Level-5.

Professor Layton confirmed for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate.

@The-Chosen-one I was seriously thinking about that this weekend: I know it would be a lot of work, but it would be supercool if the Smash team created a mini (story) level for each character currently and future in Super Smash Bros. Uptimate and it resembled a mini level from the actual game that character is from.

@WallyWest If you want the King and Queen of action games then you already have it.

Bayonetta vs Bayonetta.

Fingers crossed Sakurai shows the next wave of Smash amiibos's, Joker, Dragon Quest Hero (all four) & Terry.

@JSDude1

Helll yeahh please mail that to sakurai lol.

It will be dante probably. Madelyn fronm celeste would be great, even though I don't have smash nor plan on buying it.

@GinHunter
Well, he is a half-magic-user, so he would be a bit different from the others.

@KammyWh1te
What about Banjo-Kazooie? Will they be no amiibo of them because of licensing issues?

@RareFan So something like Robin or Hero?

And I'm sure Banjo and Kazooie will get an amiibo eventually. Probably in one or two waves, since they seem to go with about three characters per wave.

@RareFan I forgot about Banjo

@GinHunter I get what you are saying, I just hope Nintendo realizes that some Switch fans don’t like Pokémon or Smash and want to hear other announcements.

We need another sword fighter

Ah geez, "The Oracles" in KH3 are a thing...

I'm glad this is not part of the upcoming direct. I love the game don't get me wrong but I can't get hyped about it anymore. it is a masterpiece of a game but give us something else Nintendo...

@Alexkidd1985 If Chibi-Robo is a additional fighter then I will crack an egg

@Dman10 I'm sure they do, and that's why they have these game dedicated ones. I'm almost certain we'll get an Animal Crossing one as well. They've been doing these as far back as I can remember. These games have their fans and it's fine to have their own videos. People shouldn't act like they're being left out just because they're centered on something they're not into.

I hope people realize that just because we have these game dedicated ones right now doesn't mean we won't get a general one sooner or later.

@PickledKong64 Literally who.

Ugh where the heck is our first direct this stinks. I'd say at this point with the capcom announcement of DMC stuff on the 16th this pretty much all but confirms Dante for Smash. I like the choice, but I really want to know more about what Nintendo has planned this year. I'm not super into Smash DLC I only picked up Joker so far and Piranha plant since he was free. I don't know why you need a 35 minute video just for information on the smash character.

I hope for either Travis Touchdown or the Space Invaders.

The 3 is definitely a hint (3 Fingers, three question marks).
It could mean the 3 types of Space Invaders, or NMH3, or DMC3...

Welp, there goes my hopes of a full fledged Direct anytime soon. Radio silence until E3 I guess, thanks Nintendo....

It's gonna be Bubsy.

@Pod one thing you can be sure, the guesses here are all wrong.
@NintendoByNature Don't you thinked it can do a letter instead a number?

I don't care who we get for Smash Ultimate, I only say this:

"We ALL put the yeast in."

We had a pokemon direct than now a smash direct. Whats next a
Animal crossing direct (some people would love that). But as much as i liked pokemon direct and i will watch the smash direct even though i'm smashed out atm. More than anything please give us a nintendo direct, i mean if what i predicted was right about animal crossing one we may not see a proper direct till March!!.

I think I'll go for Geno on this one.

@NintendoByNature could be Resident Evil 3 .... Jill Valentine

Or instead of a 3 ... its a W .... Waluigi confirmed....

@fafonio oh man!!!! hype train!

Did Nintendo forget they publish more game series than Pokemon and Smash?

Can’t wait! Realistic guesses are Minecraft’s Steve, Doom Guy, Dante or Travis Touchdown.

I’m hoping for either Sora, Phoenix Wright, Professor Layton or Conker.

Crash bandicoot
I’m hoping it is....other wise I don’t like any of the dlc Fighters
Also am I the only one who wants Papyrus in Smash?

@BlueKnight07 Geno is already a Spirit

@dougphisig I swear that’s so true.Just announce the damn fighter during a REAL direct where we can get hyped for what’s coming up this year...

@dougphisig Because they also go into detail about the character's moveset and other things added in the update.

@ShankyMcSpanky See above.

PINK. GOLD. PEACH.

I'm sure Smash fans are happy. I'll just read the summary later.

Okay. It's probably Dante.

@Hobbesyall They usually wait til February.

Please be Magikarp!!!

I think that Byleth fromm Fe three houses is gonna be the 5th dlc character

I own this game, but i dont understand the hype for it. its just a beat em'up isnt it? anyone care to explain what i am missing as i have not played it for a while - did a bit of the adventure and didnt see what all the hype was about.

@PBandSmelly hey all, Scott Here

@rushiosan porky from mother. Lemme guess you've never played it before

@sanderev true I dont expect a January Direct anymore I think it will be February or worse care scenario March Direct

Watch it he Dante, but it's the Dante from viewtiful Joe. Let's be real, that would be absolutely amazing. I also wish we got more echos. Some people don't like clones, but I feel like they had a good marketing idea for them and never really expanded on it. If it is Dante, I hope they at least include the models from the first three games. I actually like dlc 2 Dante's model the best.

@CelestialSlayer what? smash? It's a fairly well made fighting game that isn't like any other fighting game. Ultimate struck a weird balance of being really easy to pick up, but also having a high enough skill ceiling. The characters are also in general pretty well balanced for a fighting game. It's not really a beat em up even a little bit.

@PickledKong64 I did, but gave up after the Jeff part. Earthbound is a boring grindfest.

Thanks for clarifying who the hell he was.

@personauser93 those are the two biggest sellers. I mean, they have animal crossing coming out soon, Metroid, Bayonetta, if there is a switch pro or 2 coming out then Botw 2 will be shown during that for sure, I mean there's a huge list of things that are coming. But, Pokemon and smash are their evergreen, update it every month games right now. Once AC is out, that would be added to the list. Nintendo actually doesn't support that many online games very actively. It's usually literally 2 at a time.

@Dman10 You know, they break down the character during these things? And it's not like samurai showing a character prevents them from doing a direct. It's just him in his office and then the translators doing their thing. It doesn't get on the way of anything at all

@PikaPhantom Dante and monster Hunter seem to be the best Capcom reps from a moveset perspective. There's just so much they can pull from and exclude that they have a lot of freedom while sticking to the character. I'd rather them not use too many of Dante's weapons if they do use him, though. It's makes more sense to uses his styles more. Though I guess he could pull out things for smashes

@xpownz Dunno why the dmc hate? Honestly, only 3 and 5 are actually good games (the argument can be made for 4 se on PC), but dmc is basically one of the few holdovers from the PS2 era character action games. Platinum still does them, kinda, but it's been awhile since they did something like MGS revengeance. I mean, if you don't like the genre, dope, but it's basically dmc or bust if you do.

@DAHstroy He actually leaked that his character wasn't the next dlc. It was the guy who voiced V, who wouldn't be the dmc character used because part of the idea behind including these things is having them from games people can buy. DmC 5 probably don't going to ever be on the switch unless there's a slight hardware upgrade. He did sort of dropaybe that Dante would be the dlc though. It's ambiguous so it could be a mistake or anything else.

@Xansies Capcom's larger IPs in general just seem well-suited to Smash, but I agree that Monster Hunter and Dante would be most likely.

@RiasGremory if its not doomslayer, them he's for sure going to be in the next pack. Like they have to be running out of ideas a little bit

While I greatly prefer 2nd/3rd parties in general..
I have to wonder why Paper Mario never became a thing..
Think of the assist & FS possibilities that come with the Star powers and sidekicks!

Then we have FE..
There's more to it than sword users...
( never forgiving them for Lucina..)

While on the topic of FE..
Why can't Link be a cross-over dlc unit?

You have Calvary, Swordsman, Archer with potential to morph into Beast form (Wolf Link)
Who WOULDN'T WANT LINK?!

Ninty is sleeping on its resources.. :/

@FlashBoomerang
I'm fully expecting it to be genuinely surprising. ^^

@Xansies I definitely don't like the genre but thats fine, the real problem here is the over the top personalities of those characters...bayo, dante, his brother, kratos, etc etc...in contrast, 2B is amazing, and Akira (astral chain) is a normal human being with human atittudes...

@xpownz It's definitely a different era of videogames and expectations. Bayo in bayo 2 is a slightly different than the first one, but Dante is absolutely a different character is every game, it's kinda weird. The 5th game is about him completely giving room for his nephew. Dad Kratos leans into a more mature and less gratuitous masculinity thing than how 1-3 Kratos and literally the entire fourth game is him rationalizing how crappy he used to be. It's kinda an unfair comparison. Videogame story telling has changed a lot in 20 years.