Video: Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia Season Pass Gets Its Own Trailer

Well the DLC content for FE has been pretty heafty so I'm not disturbed by the price yet. ...still working through Awakening DLC ...haven't finished Fates revelation or conquest...or the DLC. Sigh, I need a clone. Or a sugar mama.

Still half way through Fates so this'll all be discounted by the time I get round to it.

I would have bought the collector edition if a season pass was included.
But I won't pay 150.- chf for a complete game. I probably won't buy any DLC at all. Disgaea is coming next week, if you really want more tactical.

Will you be purchasing the season pass?

Even disregarding the outrageous price, Fire Emblem titles are starting to feel way too bloated to me in terms of content. I'm more than ok with the base game alone, more isn't always better.

Saw a commercial for the game and 3DS on actual TV last night, it was either Cartoon Network or Comedy Channel, I was just flipping around. Not sure if it mentioned the DLC, I was kind of shocked to see a 3DS ad not aimed at kids. Of course hought of you @JaxonH

And it's probably just me, but I'm opposed on principal to DLC that cost more than the game, unless the game is free. At that point just make a stand alone sequel. I think Super Smash Bros 4 was about $113 if you bought all the bundles for both. And that was after they said they weren't planning ANY b/c people might view it the wrong way, as an incomplete game. Oh how times have changed.

@rjejr
Eh, they can have DLC that costs 10x that of the game. As long as the game is worth it, then it doesn't matter. Persona 5 has $100 of DLC, and it's nothing more than costumes and Persona!

I think people make up arbitrary rules looking to demonize DLC, but at the end of the day if it's additional content beyond a complete game, then it shouldn't matter. What difference does it make if it has $10 DLC or $100? Buy it if you want, skip it if you don't.

I only wish games had more DLC. More options is better, and at least in the case of FE you're getting meaningful options, not just costumes.

I will always defend DLC because I believe there's nothing wrong with it "costing more than the game". It's optional. If people wanna blow $100 on DLC, let em. Play and let play, I say. Just so long as it's not removed from the game.

@rjejr It's different development studios at Nintendo. Sakurai wasn't initially planning any for Smash, but then it was decided to cash in on the demand for Mewtwo and it kinda spiraled from there.

That said, IS was the first Nintendo-owned studio to release DLC (back with Awakening) and it's mostly just overpriced fluff here. Not supporting any of it, but it's low-effort stuff that mostly just breaks the game.

I think I'll pass on that season pass. And I'm thinking of not buying FE:SOV at all. No trailer can convince me opposite! IMO , very few FE fans out there can afford ~120€ for full 20 years old game remake you greedy bastards. Call me cheap or poor or whatever, but this is just stupid. And reviews are not even all that shiny. FE for Switch is the last chance before FE franchise die, mark my words.

Don't have the game because I don't think it's worth $100

But amiibo do tempt me..

@BezBot The game in itself is worth 40 bucks though, for what I've played.

But with so many FE releases, DLCs are good only for the people that ONLY play FE games. Who will find the time to finish the game + DLC before FE:Switch next year ?

I'm conflicted on the season pass. I want to play all the maps/dungeons/stories. Give it to me now. Bwahaha etc. If this was a home console game on the Wii-U or Switch I'd drop money on the Season pass in an instant. I find myself more hesitant due to it being on the 3DS.

The difference is that while my children and I each have our own personal 3DS, the home consoles are the family consoles. We just have one that we all share so DLC purchased for a game is accessible to all of us. When it comes to the 3DS systems, we tend to just get one cartridge and share it between systems since the kiddos like to try my games. I'd happily have paid $45 for a second cartridge with all this stuff on it to share with the kids, but having it tied to one system/account means I'd have to either buy it multiple times, let them play on my system, or tell them "sorry no DLC for you".

On a slightly unrelated note, when we got Mario Maker 3DS my daughter started playing it on her 3DS. When it was my turn to play it, the game tells me it can only have save data attached to one account. It absolutely refused to open up the game on my system unless I deleted my daughter's progress. I wish there was some better way for Nintendo to handle the accounts and data for 3DS systems in the case of families with multiple hand-helds.

@JaxonH I'm all about the arbitrary rules, easier to live by my arbitrary rules than anybody else's set-in-stone rules. Or anybody else's arbitrary rules. Or really just rules in general.

I'm OK w/ certain types of DLC, not so much with others. I think I try to judge each on its own merits and not have a set rule as it varies so much from game to game. But announcing a season pass that costs as much, or nearly as much, as a full game, well that automatically starts as a negative and has to win me over.

Here's the funny part. Gamers the world over decry free-to-start as the most evil thing ever, but I'm totally OK with it. It's free to start,you get what you pay for, stop or continue, and pay, and pay as you choose. So yeah, all arbitrary.

I'm fine about the season pass, what I'm not fine about is that this is a 3DS game and not a Switch game. I haven't used my 3DS once since I sorted out my Switch internet issues and while I will still buy Echoes (picking up later today) and play it, I'd imagine that progress will be slow due to MK8 Deluxe and ARMS Global Testpunch.

If it ever goes on sale (for everyone or via My Nintendo rewards), I'll probably pick it up. I won't be playing the main game for a while anyway, even though I preordered. My backlog is going to be at 190 games once it shows up in the mail later today. At minimum, I want to finish the original Fire Emblem, which I imported to play with a translation patch on my Retron 5. I may play the original Gaiden first as well (another import in the backlog).

Nobody buy this - this is not okay.

@rjejr I'm with you. I dont like the price of this dlc mainly due to the lack of value that this dlc offers. It costs more than the base game so one would expect a sizable amount of meaningful content. Instead it's about 6 maps for grinding loot, money, and exp, 10 classes and a prequel story. Meanwhile games like the Wither 3 offer dlc that could easily be it's own game for far less. It just makes me feel like Nintendo is ripping me off

Not buying a season pass that costs more than the game unless it includes more quality content than the game.

@Aurumonado I'm with you 100%. anybody arguing that it is okay doesn't understand that they have the power to vote with their wallet.

@bstie1198 i suggest stop buying games you don't play. i've bought a ton of games since Wii U came out and probably played less than 20% of them, and have beaten less. I have a different way of doing it now. Since I want to play some of the newest games, I make sure to beat 2-3 games, at least, from backlog before purchasing and playing a new one. If the new one that I want releases before I am done with the 2 I am beating, I skip it and wait for the next game release that I am looking forward to. By the end of the year if I still wanted that game I skipped and am ready to pick it up, I will be able to find it at a discount but I also may not want it at all. This process also let's be enjoy my games more rather than feel like I need to grind a game to get to the next one, that takes all the fun out of a game, way more than you even realize.

@Oat
Ya but The Witcher is an overused example, and often the only one people can find of "great value". 95% of DLC is of far less value and/or much higher price. I cruise PSN for add on content and routinely find $100 in costume/item DLC, and rarely find DLC like The Witcher.

Not to point out PS, it's same on Xbox Live. But point being this DLC is probably in the top percentile for "value" vs most games. Not to say you or anyone else has to seem it worthy of purchase, but I don't think comparing it to The Witcher is a realistic comparison to the norm. Compare it to the unlimited microtransactions of Halo, or any sports game, or the $100 of Persona 5 costume DLC, or Nobanugas Ambition scenarios, or $500 Dead or Alive DLC...

And there's actually quite a few maps here. What, probably 20 or 30? (correct me if I'm wrong- I haven't counted). Probably about as many as are in the main story campaign.

@brutalpanda Easier said than done. I've actually cut my backlog down quite a bit over the past few years. It had been over 250 games at one point. PS+ adds six games a month (unless I already own an offering), and I have no plans to get rid of that service. That means I probably took 150 games off of my backlog to reduce it by 60 in total. I rarely pay more than $10 for a retail game that started at $60 MSRP, but it's hard to resist when they're on sale for $5 or less, like they tend to do on PSN. Similarly with digital titles when they go down below $2. I've paid retail (minus 20% preorder discount) for exactly four games in the past eight years: Uncharted 4, Valkyria Chronicles Remastered, Zero Escape: Zero Time Dilemma, and Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia. In every case, I used gift cards from my birthday or Christmas to finance the purchases, so no out of pocket expense. Those are four of my favorite series, and I wanted to play them right away, and to show support to the developers.

@bstie1198 the games are going to be just as cheap if not cheaper down the road when you actually decide to play them. That's why I no longer chase sales. No need to buy it if you aren't going to sink time into it in the next week, the games aren't going anywhere. Just speaking from experience of doing the same thing.

Skipping Season Pass, I'll only get the one that actually adds something crucial like a character, maps or class updates.

Skipping the season pass and will take a better look when a proper discount is out.

@JaxonH
Ok. To cite a few examples from Nintendo themselves:
The Hyrule Warriors Season pass
Mario Kart 8 DLC
New Super Luigi U (I mean it's an entire game for just $20)
Splatoon 1 (Free content Updates)
Breath of the Wild (Ironically I'll admit I was opposed to this initially until I saw just how much they had planned for just the summer update. That's what really changed my mind)
Lastly, there will be Arms but feel free to ignore that last example since it's not quite fair to use a game that has yet to be released

What I'm trying to say is that Nintendo has done DLC FAR FAR better than what they're doing with Shadows of Valentia. I do understand that there are about 22 maps in total, but it's less about the number and more about the purpose of those maps. 6 of those maps are solely for exp, money, and item farming (I understand there being 3 of them but do we really need an additional 3 maps that accomplish the same thing but harder?). 10 of those maps are just for acquiring dlc classes. That leaves only around 6 maps (4 for the prologue dlc and 2 for the other map pack) that add story content.

It really doesn't feel like I'm getting a whole game's worth of content out of this despite the high number of maps. It really feels like it should have been priced around the same price that FE Fates sold its map dlc ( For reference, FE Fates had about 18 maps for around $26. How in the Heck does Nintendo feel justified charging close to $20 more for only 4 more maps? If you also consider Revelations as DLC for Fates, that was Nintendo literally selling you an entire additional game for $20. I'm sorry, but I can't help but feel like I'm getting the short end of the stick this time around with Shadows of Valentia)

I think it's more than fair to criticize a company for poor dlc practices, especially when they've done it so much better in the past

@Oat
I don't necessarily disagree.

It was the Witcher comparison that got me. Alot of people cite that game as if that's how all DLC is done and anything less is unworthy.

@JaxonH Yeah I get you on that. It's an easy example to use. You calling me out on using it actually prompted me to go find better examples from Nintendo so thank you for that

Hmm, I won't download it. You pay double the price that way. Only if you are a truly diehard Fire emblem fan, I guess.

I'm only intending on getting the prologue DLC as all I care about is more story. I might look into the classes one if they are interesting enough and the final one if it's got anything worthwhile. DLC 1 and 2 seem worthless to me.