After taking a voluntary leave of absence renowned rumourmonger Emily Rogers is back online and dropping Nintendo NX predictions all over the place. In a recent post, she spoke about the NX software lineup, stating that fans "should be excited" about what Nintendo has in store for the mysterious new console.
The post itself is worth reading in full, but here's a brief summary of her points:
- In a single year, the NX will build a larger library of games than Wii U produced in three or four years
- The big fundamental focal point (and overall goal) behind NX is to vastly increase the software output from Nintendo's first party teams and studios
- To accomplish this, the entire process of how Nintendo develops and produces software has gone through radical changes
- There is a new strategy that was put in place to create and release first party software at a faster rate
- Multiple unannounced Wii U projects were moved over to NX
- The NX could potentially see the highest output of first party software in the company's history
- NX definitely won't suffer from three month droughts like Wii U did, at least not when it comes to first party software
That's not all of the info Rogers has to offer at this stage; she also rubbished earlier reports relating to the NX's rumoured "controller gimmick", which was described by NeoGAF poster 10k thusly:
The NX is going to have a screen controller (whether it's optional or standard I don't know) and can be used anywhere to play your home console games. The controller itself will not have any processing capabilities, it'll essentially be a dummy vita. It'll likely have basic OS functions to access the NX console from anywhere, like a tiny cpu. Nintendo will use enhanced Wii U gamepad streaming tech, and allow the controller to be taken anywhere, connect to the NX console at home (likely through Wi-fi or personal hotspots and the NX console will likely have to be in stand-by mode). Basically, it's remote play built into the box and won't require a $200 add-on to experience it. This is likely what Kimishima meant in his interview with Sankei - "different way to play with a dedicated machine" and the whole "new way to experience games" mantra that's been going around Nintendo PR.
Citing "sources at Nintendo", Rogers poured scorn over such claims:
I showed this to my Nintendo sources, and they laughed. "The gimmick is made up. His sources lied to him," they said. The gimmick that 10k's sources were describing sounded like Wii U 2.
Even if the NX controller gets a built-in screen, why would the NX's main gimmick — the hardware's biggest selling point — be an enhanced, improved version of Nintendo's worst selling console ever?
And how exactly are these NX games going to "stream from anywhere" outside of your house…to this controller that "won't have any processing capabilities"…? Will Nintendo provide some type of streaming service (that won't require a monthly subscription) to make all of this magically happen? The information that 10k's sources provided on the gimmick just didn't make sense.
As ever, such claims are coming from a single source and should be treated with caution - but Rogers has a decent track record when it comes to this kind of thing. Let us know what you think by posting a comment below.
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I just want Nintendo Land 2! Give me more Mario Chase and Luigi's Ghost Mansion and expand on it. Nintendo Land has provided me and tens of friends with some of the funniest multiplayer moments since being a teenager with a Nintendo 64!
Ignoring the source of this software rumour and its reliability, just think about how it sounds.
Like a dream. Like it's playing on fans hopes. Like it's made-up.
I believe it when I see it. This just sounds too good to be true.
Also, she sounds like a fangirl.
This is kinda doable. Now Nintendo has merged it's home and handheld teams together, it's entirely possible that they are able to double the output. Perhaps not as much as Emily is making it out to be, but there should definitely be an increase.
Plus they have those Nintendo Garage teams whom outside of Splatoon haven't announced anything yet.
Is the lack of first party software really the Wii U's biggest problem?!? I'd say the dearth of quality third party games was far more problematic to the fate of the Wii U....
My only concern if this is true is making more games and making them faster does not matter if those games don't maintain the high quality I expect from Nintendo and sometimes if a game is rushed it can drastically affect its quality .
As Miyamoto himself once said: "A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad,"
I'm kinda hoping this is right and that streaming thing is false...the wifi concept seemed needlessly overcomplicated and I'd rather have it the other way around, that being the handheld having the processing power and a small box to connect it to the tv.
And so this is the life of a Nintendo fan for the next couple of months. Sifting through rumours, leaks and half-truths until Nintendo finally spill the beans... I love video games
Blah blah...Wii U is the worst selling nintendo console...blah blah...make stuff up about their next console before it's even announced. They're all rumors, and until nintendo actually states what the NX is and will be, there shouldn't be any belief in what someone posts on the internet.
As this article looked, it would be nice if this was true, and it wouldn't take nintendo long to put out more retail games then what the Wii U was shown, and it could be true that many games were cancelled on the Wii U to come to the next console...Animal Crossing anyone.
I'm hoping that the NX sells well, much better than the Wii U and much better than the Gamecube...to give nintendo the money and credit that they deserve. They need to get back into the game scene and give Sony and Microsoft a run for their money (besides just in the portable gaming scene). It seems that many people lost faith in nintendo and shoved them aside...and I hope they never end up the way that Sega or Atari got. It would be nice if the console was a hybrid...all their teams can just work on a game for one system, instead of splitting up teams...which causes the large droughts in their game releases. Store shelves are almost completely bare with Wii U games (which is a shame, makes it look like it's a dead-in-the-water system) and it's hard to find many of them...even in pawn stores or Game Stop. Kind of makes you wonder on how much anything for Wii U will be worth in the next 20 years plus.
@bluedogrulez Well it's definitely a problem so long as Nintendo continues to not attract third-party companies. If it had competitive hardware that attracted third parties to port their software to it, then the amount of first-party software is potentially less of an issue (although there are still plenty of other factors that could impact its success).
Nintendo's strongest selling point is undoubtedly its first-party software, but the mistake it has always made since the N64 days is not releasing enough of it on a regular basis. If it has somehow streamlined its development processes as rumoured, and that issue is now eliminated, I could see it working very much in Nintendo's favour. I'd happily buy a Nintendo system where I'm more or less guaranteed one good piece of software a month — rather than how it currently is, where we have large breaks between titles, not to mention they're split across multiple systems too.
I wonder if these rumours are just to fill space on game sites and keep us talking about something we have no idea what it is. Other than we can play games on it.
The way Nintendo is heading it would not surprise me if the NX is a big box to display Amiibos.
If it is to play games on then it has to be more powerful than the Wii U and have something to control the games with.
Anything else will be a gimmic or something Sony and Microsoft will replicate.
The rumours are leaning towards gimmicks.
Didn't even read. Just came to say stop reporting on rumors please.
Yup, this is it:
MEGATON!!!!
But seriously: WAY ahead of y'all, already posted this link in the other NX/PS NEO article...
I don't believe any rumors anymore.
I believe these rumors
Well, it was pretty obvious they moved some games from U to NX, however no amount of strategy will make Nintendo pump out the games faster, especially since they still learn about 1080p after all those years.
If this rumour would turn out true, then it could be bad time to be Nintendo gamer, because that strategy of pumping out the games faster could be release the game as barebones as possible in working state and patch in the content later, or make it "episodic" like SE does right now with Hitman. Or maybe early acess BS. Or going Souls series route, using the same engine and gameplay with little twist/change, so development time can be cut by half with as little budget as possible.
Although radical changes could mean DLC pay wall.
As long as game quality remains high bring it on
The controller bit to me seemed fake exactly for the reasons she said.
I'm glad to hear that Nintendo's stepping up production but I hope quality doesn't suffer.
Can you guys give a brief bio of someone whenever you report rumours from them?
I can't be bothered to go back and check what this person has got right and wrong to see how much I should listen to them.
As suggested by this rumor, if Nintendo's output drastically increases I'm less worried about the games' quality tanking than I am about the potential increase of Mario titles which I could definitely do without. Mario's okay but Nintendo relies way too much on that brand. They do great things when they break free from nostalgia - look at Splatoon (and I don't even have a Wii U).
@gcunit "Like a dream. Like it's playing on fans hopes. Like it's made-up."
For this reason, I have repeated it many times: until that Nintendo officialy shows the NX, any rumour, for me, "It's irrelevant" and I don't believe it; these rumours, sometimes "verging on the ridiculous", and the sad part that even many people believe them, any "lose their hopes" and/or fight over something that ultimately not be true; but oh well, that the rumors continue ...
Wii U projects moved over sounds a lot like Pikmin 4 to me
well there goes my idea of the nx being an enhanced and improved wii u. also, i guess this means that whatever it is that retro's working on is going to benefit from extended development and refinement, not that nintendo games are known for being ruched for the most part.
I hope more games means more IP, not just getting Mario Kart et al. more frequently. Most of their big games are ok with one per system any more and the fact they are so iterative would leave people fatigued by them like assassin's creed. I enjoy looking forward to Nintendo games dont want that to change.
If the console and handheld divisions have been consolidated, it makes perfect sense that they'll be more development resources for the NX.
I will not buying NX whenever it comes out day one, since I recently bought the Wii U and absolutely LOVE it. I still need to go through its library so I will take some time.
Although Wii U projects being moved over sounds slightly annoying. It has definitely happened though considering all the droughts, but the Wii U has also brought some neat gems.
The rumour does sound good on paper but fast releases makes me scared that every game will have some Mario involved or be slightly barebones. Ah well. Still taking rumours with salt.
all these rumours makes me less intrested in nx.im just so tired of all this nonsense.still one official small anouncement that i like would get me hyped again in a second.how long do we have to wait.its getting ridicoules
All of the rumours are true, including ones that are contradicted by others.
"Multiple unannounced Wii U projects were moved over to NX"
This wouldn't surprise anyone considering the droughts we've been having.
Just give us no more droughts. Very happy to hear the NX will launch with a strong software lineup. Nintendo were right to move project over to the NX as the Wii U could not be saved.
Also glad the streaming rumor is BS.
Dedicated handheld all the way!
If you guys don't want to believe Emily Rogers, then that's honestly your deal. She has a proven track record. That's not all either: 10k was banned on NeoGAF after ZhugeEX made a blog post that exposed some of 10k's speculation as well. 10k was told by his sources, as Emily put it, that the NX would essentially be Wii U 2 (his sources lied to him).
The thought Nintendo would repeat the same mistake with NX is absurd.
She's not talking about anything outside the realm of possibility here. The Wii U library lacks the quality and diversity a Nintendo console has by now for first-party software. That is a fact. The NX having a better library for first-party software is not something difficult to achieve as a result. The holes in the blog post are there because they obviously are subject to change over a platform's life-cycle and development (third-party support, gimmicks, etc.).
Remember, there are Wii U games being ported to the NX. We know it's a given with Zelda and Smash. It'd be stupid for Nintendo not to do so, and if people really think they'd make the same mistakes as the Wii U where first-party software is concerned, I'm seriously shocked.
Miyamoto said they were pushing for aggressive use of their IP going forward as well. This is that aggressive push mentioned.
Relax. It's good to be excited about NX software output. People need to stop getting themselves worked up over rumors like the ones 10k posted and focus on what makes a gaming console so great: the games.
If this turns out to be true, I will be worried about the quality of Nintendo's first party games. The reports on the thin content of Wii U's Mario Tennis made sure I did not hesitate skipping that game!
There is no doubt in my mind that if they had somehow managed to develop a singluar OS that can work on both handheld and console, then of course their output will increase.
There is further no doubt in my mind that they will have diverted games in production to the new machine. It just makes sense.
I am however not jumping for joy. Just waiting patiently for the Nintendo announcement.
In the meantime, frankly, how is their secrecy so good? How do we really know so little. Just looking at the NEO leaks and various other leaks means (1) they have some tight security and (2) I hope they have a plan in place if it does leak and (3) hurry up and announce !
Putting out more first party software is relatively simple:
1. Hire more staff.
2. Adopt the Splatoon/Mario Maker model for all releases: have 'A' teams doing the core game, then moving on to the next project (or paid DLC), while 'B' teams keep them fresh with regular, free, content updates that are far less consequential (obviously) than the core game, thus quality isn't hurt.
This frees up the 'A' teams to work on more games, more frequently, because they aren't spending an extra year (or more) polishing up a game to 100% completion--polish work that can be handled by the 'B' teams.
I'm happy with the quality of the Wii U titles I own. I would love for the NX to have the same general quality in place but with higher frequency, new IPs and a return from some other franchises (Metroid, F-Zero, a console Kid Icarus?).
what if the N3DS is/could be an integral part of the NX with full crossover of all owned titles you have on 3DS/WiiU?
@ECM 1. Isn't necessary right now. The staff just needed to be merged was all for the time being.
2. A solid point, but it would require games to be far more connected experiences (see: always-online). It certainly wouldn't hurt Nintendo to have a more robust set of eSports titles on the platform, that being said. You cannot really enjoy Splatoon without internet access. Maker you can. Nintendo can maintain flexibility towards always-online experiences and vice-versa very easily, though.
Anything but the Xbox One's initial DRM craze.
@VortexTraveller Definitely. I would rather have a few great games than a ton of mediocre ones. (I do hope the NX is more traditional than the Wii U, a la PS4 or Xbox One, but still something unique and interesting.)
I don't see first party offerings as the biggest reason that the Wii U failed. Nintendo doesn't have the range (genres) of titles from first party games needed to attrack a wide audience.
I also don't see how Nintendo will massively increase their output. Even if the NX is handheld/console (which seeems unlikely at this point), handheld games are much easier to develop for than console games. In the past, the cost of 4 handheld games was approximately the cost of 1 console game. So it seems unlikely to me that they would be able to release 4x the amount of console games unless they are going to a bitesize model.
Lastly, it is apparent that they moved Wii U games. As a Wii U owner, it makes me sad that Nintendo doesn't care about the Wii U. I have long known though that Nintendo doesn't care squat about me and only cares about returning to Nintendo-like profitability.
My biggest hope for the NX as a consumer is that they don't rush the interface and the firmware.
I waited over a year with buying the Wii U and it was still irksome.
As a developer, I hope they won't jack the price of the dev-kit up too far.
Now I want nx info even more!!!!
@Pichuka97 Pikman?
@cleveland124 "Nintendo doesn't have the range (genres) of titles from first party games needed to attrack a wide audience."
Well, it actually does. If you look at all their IP, first and second party, and all the titles that they didn't release on Wii U, then there's more than enough for any type of gamer to get them to notice NX, provided they play their cards right.
Increasing their output is probably done by means of all the actions they have taken last year, consolidating all the separate divisions into one big taskforce in one central office, and of course they have Retro Studios and Monolith to help out as well.
If titles for Wii U were already practically done, but shelved, then it's just a case of them having to be optimized to work on NinOS that will either run on x86 or ARM. And who knows how many Wii U titles were shifted to NX? Might easily be a number anywhere from 5 to 10 or even more, if the hints in this rumor are to be believed.
In any case, it is entirely possible to achieve all this, all we need to find out now is how solid ms. Roger's sources are, but she has been right several times before, so there is little reason to doubt her now. Not by believing every word she says, but the larger message in her posts is correct more often than not.
Just look up her track record: it's way better than all those NeoGAF/Reddit leakers...
Now THIS rumor has got to be true. Rumor gets debunked and swapped for a new rumor. Okay, this rumor has to be true then, right? Repeat
@SMW You forgot rinse...
I'm going to write my own predictions blog, some of them might come true and I will be famous too.
I don't know if I buy the giga-hype about the line-up, but I definitely believe that the controller's gimmick won't be a screen. That drove up Wii U costs which limited the power of the hardware they could put in at that price point, both of which were the Wii U's downfall. I highly doubt they'd make that mistake again, especially since the new CEO is much more business minded than Iwata-san was.
@Yasume Tell people what they want to hear and they will buy your words.
@ElkinFencer10 Yeah, it seems he is really aware of what needs to be done, and if you see his track record of previous achievements before he joined Nintendo, then he certainly is a successful manager, so if anything, it's probably beneath him to fail in his latest endeavor, and that is completely besides the fact that this current job happens to be at Nintendo.
I believe it would be his first ever failure if the NX is going to tank...
Well if it's turns out to be true that they're releasing an updated Smash Bros as a launch title I could see that being true really. Especially if the new Zelda game comes out during the launch window as well AND they get 3rd parties on board. That's a lot of maybes though.
I think I'm very much in the "I'll believe it when I see it" camp though.
Emily's reasoning on the controller gimmick is sound. Why would they make something that is a continuation of Wii U? I think Kimishima even said at one point that he tought Wii U was too similar to Wii, and that the new console is something different.
On the other hand, the low-latency video streaming was the most impressive feature of Wii U, so I can see why they would want to use it in some form with NX. Streaming over the internet, however, will not be low-latency.
I will be very sad to not have a second screen available. As a guy with a family, much of my gaming is on the gamepad screen, while Sarah and Duck is being watched on the TV
@TheRealThanos
Kind of makes me wish they'd do something with the Eternal Darkness IP that they own. It has so much potential as a series.
In general Nintendo has a lot of really cool but more obscure franchises that could have a lot of potential if done right.
Plus I'm not sure if it'll happen now but I'd love to see Chibi-Robo get one last spin at the original GameCube concept on the NX. I think people would probably be more open to it these days. Especially if they tried capturing the Animal Crossing/Harvest Moon type audience.
@BornInNorway81 to be honest games like mario tennis were just fillers for the Wii U. nintendo still needs to release stuff on Wii U with little cost and mario tennis was one of them games.
@chiptoon you may still get a 2nd screen but it will be like the PS4/Vita combination.
you will need NX plus NX handheld.
@hiptanaka Yup. He said the NX is something so radically different from the Wii and Wii U that they have to move away from that brand. It's why Nintendo has changed its corporate branding to a white logo over a red background.
@TheRealThanos Agreed with most of your post.
As Emily Rogers stated, it's best not to worry about hardware. Nintendo has the infrastructure down. Third-party support, gimmicks, hardware specs, and more, all are holes in the article purposely left out of the picture because they are always subject to change, whether in development or the long-term after launch.
It is as encryption technique used in journalism and PR/marketing to hide information you know people will retaliate towards if it doesn't end up true because you can't take a time machine to the future.
Good.
What do you guys think? Do you think that's enough salt? I'm honestly not sure. Also, Gamexplain talked about this rumor...of ****ing course.
@TheRealThanos
It really doesn't though. Like a GT type racing game, you get Mario Kart. Want a Wipeout, FZero type of game, you get Mario Kart. Mario Kart is a fun game, but as a racing fan Nintendo's offerings are laughable. Same thing with FPS. Want COD, you get Splatoon. Want Battlefield or Battlefront, you get Splatoon. The only genre Nintendo is really strong is, is platforming. The reality is that if Nintendo's first parties had enough depth for the market then the Wii U would be a success because over it's lifetime, it actually has a strong 1st party library.
I don't really care about this Amy girl and I'm not going to do any research on her. I'm over NX rumors. When Nintendo wants me to know something they'll let me know. However, when things come from the horses mouth (Nintendo) they aren't always true. I remember leading up to the Wii U how we heard how they had courted third parties and Wii U wouldn't be bare. I also heard how they had learned from the 3DS having a lack of games available initially and how that wouldn't be the case with Wii U. Both were false.
Nintendo has had droughts since forever. I doubt it'll change with the NX. On the NES and SNES it didn't matter much because of all the 3rd parties. But on the N64 I remember it being really dry, the Gamecube was in a similar spot. Game Boy Advance had loads of 1st party games though, and the DS was bolstered by 3rd parties. The 3DS has run aground lately, with weaker Nintendo 1st party games (like pay-to-win badge game) and only 1 New 3DS exclusive.
The Wii U has had few releases, but they have been great games. I'd rather have a few amazing games like Splatoon, Mario Kart 8, Super Mario 3D World, etc. I can't imagine Nintendo pumping out such high quality at a higher rate, the gameplay would suffer. I just hope that more games doesn't mean more non-games like Miitomo and other mobile-style shovelware.
@kobashi100 That's what I'm hoping for. Its mainly what I use my Vita these days
The software news is good but the fact that there may not be any Off-TV Play is disappointing to me.
@BornInNorway81 Got a Youtube channel with all of that hilarity on screen?
If not, you totally should.
@TheRealThanos Well, Nintendo first party games do have range, but they don't have the licenses. They can make Mario Sluggers and Strikers but they aren't MLB The Show and FIFA. And Madden is big. And NBA and NHL games. And WWE wrestling games.
And then of course there's COD, Destiny and Titanfall2. Splaton may be a team based FPS but it isn't realistic and gritty, which a lot of people obviously like.
And whatever the heck Overwatch and Battle born are. DOTA? MOBA? Whatever they are, they seem to be catching on.
So, no realistic gritty FPS, no licsenced sports games, no multilayer thingys. AKA 3 big genres that sell. So yes, Nintendos range is very limited where it matters to gamers. MK8 is racing, but it isnt realistic Sim racing like Gran Turismo or Forza, so that's another genre they lack.
Nintendo is the kiddie graphic console, I don't know why people fight a label that is so obviously true. No number of Fatal Frames or Devils Thirds is going to change that. Those are the exceptions to the rule. MK8, SSB, Splatoon, Zelda, Nintendo is all about colours other than brown. Which is good, I like those, but I also like the others as well.
On the bright side, Nintendo wouldn't build a clone console without multiparty game support. You add a few of those 3rd party games to Nintendo range, and they should have an unbeatable combination. FFXV FTW!
"In a single year, the NX will build a larger library of games than Wii U produced in three or four years"
Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see why this isn't true.
@NintendoFan64
That is definitely not enough salt for these "rumours."
"Multiple unannounced Wii U projects were moved over to NX."
Yet another middle finger to Wii U owners, if this is true.
I can actually see the dummy controller That connects over the internet happen. Super Smash Bros. for Wii U can use the 3DS as a controller.
The idea of a devices being controlled remotely isn't new either. The Ability to transmit data over a network already happens with the Wii U to the Tablet. All they need is to setup a DDNS record linked to your Nintendo account. That way the controller can always call home and then RDP into the Console itself. If this is the approach I can easily see Microsoft quickly following suit.
If this rumor is real, the Wii U will be dead as soon as the NX releases.
Rest in pepperoni Wii U
2012-2016
I think they're both full of malarkey... or
.. bat droppings. Whatever it is, I am sure to buy it anywho. I had all their other systems and was never disappointed.
@shaneoh Yeah as soon as I read that part of the rumors I literally rolled my eyes! That is placed there specifically to make the fans happy because of the droughts we had with Wii U and because of that I am not buying any of this.
All this sounds wonderful, but unless their massive output includes that they will have the entire library of Wii, 3DS, and Wii U virtual console available day one I find this to be a load of horse droppings. That is about the only way they can achieve an "unprecedented" output because they just don't have the employees to do otherwise.
Quality over quantity.
Another day, another set of rumors.
Just let me off this crazy train
And here comes our second rumor this week........
Remember kids, to have a healthy console launch, you must ingest three to five rumors a week. NX rumors are nice and plentiful so eat up!
@Dave24 a strategy could be to reuse game engines or to consolidate teams or outsource parts of the game development.
Those alone could shave at least a year off a game's development.
From my point of view this is very believable and I was already expecting it to be the case. The Wii U has not had a major game announced for it since E3 2014. Everything since then has been spin off or something that heavily reuses assets.
Pretty much all of Nintendo's big studios have been working on games we've not seen for 3 years or more. Retro already had another team working on something alongside Tropical Freeze, while Tropical Freeze itself was probably done with development in late 2013. EAD1 haven't put out a game in years. EAD2 did Treasure Tracker, heavily reusing 3D World assets so won't have taken much resource. Even 3D World borrowed from 3D Land.
Nintendo have put so little out in the last 2 years, but there's no way all those teams are sitting around doing nothing. Last year's E3 heavily suggested a lot of console and handheld projects had been pulled and moved somewhere else, resulting in a whole show of filler.
@cleveland124 Your examples are pretty damn one-sided. If you want WipeOut, you can have F-Zero obviously, NOT Mario Kart. And Nintendo has done shooters, albeit a rather strange one: Geist.
I am literally talking about the ENTIRE range of titles and IP's they have used in the past, so try and look a bit further than what a non-Nintendo fan would do.
1080
Wave Race
Geist
Eternal Darkness
Splatoon
Star Fox
Zelda
Mario
Yoshi
Kirby
Pilot Wings
Kid Icarus
Metroid
Smash Bros
Sports titles (mario yes, but still sports)
F-Zero
Excite Truck/bike
Battalion Wars
Pikmin
And so on, and so on... There are more than enough IP's to cater to most gamer's needs, if they don't choke on the "kiddy" aesthetics...
Oh, and Splatoon is great, by the way, so why wouldn't you want to play that? Probably because it ain't "hardcore" enough...
This is the most excited I've been for an E3 in literally years. If all these rumors are true, I'm going to have to start saving some now so I can be a day one buyer. If it turns out to be a bust then I'll just wait for next year. Also if it has Pikmin 4 as a launch title, I'm sold. Or Battalion Wars 3 since they missed a perfect opportunity for the Wii U.
@Rob_mc_1 the Wii U gamepad doesn't use a network to connect to the console, it uses a propriety wireless connection to directly connect (ad hoc).
The issue with the rumor is that the controller won't have any processing power. The Wii U gamepad has a small processor. It has to in order to do anything. Not to mention that any streaming service would be slow and laggy.
@Peach64 I totally agree! This rumor not only is extremely credible but it's also very very probable. There's been such a drought in games. There must be tons of games in development. The NX may end up having one of the best launch lineups in all of gaming. Which would blow any and all consoles on the market out of the water. This E3 is going to be one of the most exciting conferences I can remember. Like Iwata pulling the Wii prototype out of his suit jacket levels of excitement.
@rjejr All the things you name are mostly what third parties are for. The other two consoles also don't have many of their own sports games. They both have a racing sim, a shooter and a platformer and that's it for the most part, save for some exclusives here and there. Without their third party support, they would have even less titles than Nintendo...
Only 54 4/5 days left...
http://www.e3countdown.com/
@Dakt That was about Wii U and around 8 of the 10 things she said right there have come true, so that makes her average score much higher than any of the other leakers. Seems that the joke is on you by posting that link...
@TheRealThanos I think Geist was an external developer, but I suppose it counts since it is a Nintendo IP. For more recent titles you can add TW101, Last Story, Pandora's Tower, Zangeki no Reginleiv, Disaster Day of Crisis, and so on. You also forgot Sin and Punishment which is also a 1st party IP and a shooter albeit on rails.
@roboshort I didn't really forget any titles, I just wasn't going to mention all of them, just a sampling to show options/diversity. As for N-Space: yes, they were external developers, but Geist was second party and was co-developed with Nintendo themselves, so that's an exclusive IP.
I wouldn't put Sin and Punishment in that same category though: it was about alternatives for first person shooters, not on rails shooters...
I like all this first party talk.
Hoax is a four letter word.
@cleveland124 "However, when things come from the horses mouth (Nintendo) they aren't always true."
You left out dual Gamepad support and TVii, which was never implemented outside of the US. I'm still mad about the dual Gamepad support, it seems necessary for Spaltoon and SFZ. As far as I'm concerned Ntineod's Wii U is the only home console EVER to only have 1 controller. So they lied abut that, big time. Wii U did have some significant 3rd party support at launch - Zombie U, Batman, Darksiders, Assassins Creed. Its only the other 47 months where it didn't have any.
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Wii-U-Support-Two-GamePads-Starting-Next-Year-47024.html
@Dakt Erm... no it wasn't. Check your info and them come back to try and be smart. Right now you aren't particularly...
The article damn well states that most of it was already rumored and was later confirmed.
Wii U better online
Smash Bros U
Call of Duty (the major shooter from a third party)
Other third party titles coming (they did, albeit not successful, but that was not the point)
Ubisoft releasing 3 launch titles for Wii U (ZombiU, Rayman, Assassin's Creed 3) was initially true, but Ubisoft changed schedule after the failure of ZombiU
Pikmin 3 coming to Wii U
No hard drive in Wii U
Her misfires:
A Rockstar game coming to Wii U
Soul Calibur coming to Wii U (although at the time, that rumor was indeed found on several sites)
Yep, absolutely worthless predictions... (shakes head)
Can someone inform me what Ms. Rodgers has brought to the table before that's come true? I'm not insulting her, I just don't know.
As many of you have stated, I'm all about more games ( though my wallets aren't), but I am not all for rushed/half-baked games. I'm wondering how they can tread that line...
@TheRealThanos
Most of those are dormant franchises that never really sold much. I mean here is https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2012/11/miyamoto_puzzled_as_to_why_anyone_would_want_a_new_f_zero
Miyamoto saying we having gotten an Fzero in 2 generations because it doesn't sell. I could easily list tons of games that don't match up with anything on your list. For instance on the racing side. What does Nintendo have comparable for Dirt Rally, Project Cars, Grand Turismo, Forza, Burnout, Need for Speed, The Crew, Nascar, F1, MXGP, WRC, iRacing, Trackmania, etc etc etc etc. I don't see a comparable in Nintendo's lineup. You can say third parties will fill the gaps but why would they if they haven't before?
Sports and FPS gamers haven't been swayed by those games in the past so I don't know why they would now. I get migraine headaches from FPS so I skipped Splatoon as I do all FPS. But my one friend who is super into them loves the competitive nature of online and chat. So I don't see why Splatoon would replace his current games.
The reality is that lineup is a Nintendos fan wetdream if it launched with the console. But most of non-Nintendo gamers won't be swayed by that lineup.
@TheRealThanos "All the things you name are mostly what third parties are for. "
But that's exactly my point, and the other guy spoint as well. Nintod alone can't cover all the bases, no company can. If NX is all about 1st party going it alone, then it will fail, b/c even though Ntinedo has by far the best collection of 1st party exclusives, and Wii U should have crushed PS4 and Xbox One on the back of Bayonetta 2 and Hyrule Warriors 2 holidays ago, all companies need 3rd party support, namely EA, Activision and Squenix.
I've only cared about 3 games this year - R&C, U4 and FFXV. But if Nitneod announces NX launches in Nov alongside FFXV, Pikmin 4, with Luigi's Mansion 3 next summer, and Zelda NX in th ewinter, I might hold off on PS4 until PS4k drops in price next Christmas. But it would need FFXV. Which it could get, 3DS has a ton of Squenix support in both new JRPG and old DQ games. Squennix is already on record saying they need to sell 10mil copies of FFXV. Having it on NX would help. And we still haven't seen a single photo of the SSB Cloud amiibo. If you could skin the FFXV lead a in a Cloud skin the fanbois would freak.
But that's the thing, Ntineod needs 3rd party support. I dont 'think it needs all of it. But it needs EA Sports - Madden and FIFA. And COD. Squenix would be a big help, and I suspect that's coming, maybe even a SO5 port, but it needs more. It can survive w/o some, but not none. Not again. They've had their Wii U failure, time to get back on board w/ the 3rd parties to round out the game library.
@TheRealThanos Thanks!
@Dakt I'll add that this is the reason she said she's not talking about third-party support this time around. The information in this blog post has holes for third-party games, gimmicks, and specs because all of that is subject to change. There's no reason for her to post anything she doesn't feel comfortable posting when she has already been targeted by fans in the past for naming third-party games coming to the platform.
It's possible (and highly likely) that there really was a lot of western support for the Wii U when it was still in development. However, as developers started working with the dev kits for the PS4 and XBO, the Wii U was a completely different architecture and very behind.
Once again, this is why we won't hear about third-party support in actual leaks this time around. People want to avoid another Wii U situation where everyone wanted to suddenly be an "insider" and cherry-pick the original content to suit their own desires.
It's a human thing. It's an act of perception vs. judgment that we perform subconsciously, whether we like it or not.
Emily doesn't have a time machine. So, she'll use encryption because it's the only way to get her actual point across.
"Be excited for NX software output potential. Stop focusing on alleged hardware leaks. The majority of NX leaks out there are false." Dial the hype levels down a notch and realize there are more things than hardware to be excited for.
I feel like a broken tape recorder. If you want to know more info, look at my thread in the forums on this same topic. Stop running around in circles, dude.
No one is forcing you to believe it. Emily said that herself. It's entirely up to you. If you don't want to believe it, that's fine. But to say that she doesn't have a proven track record is completely uncalled for.
@cleveland124 @rjejr I was just naming examples and of course no console manufacturer can go by first party alone, but that wasn't my point. Microsoft and Sony alone are also not really equipped to go by first party alone, but they can gain the audiences attention with it and all I was trying to point out is that with the rather diverse range of IP's that Nintendo has in it's library, they could easily do the same, regardless of these IP's being underused or not, since that was also not my point.
@Dakt I'm almost never wrong, since I research what I say before I say it, but in the case that I actually am, I won't feel too big of a man to admit that. And obviously you meant to say she "was" wrong, since that was an old article...
As for the current rumor: more and more buzz is going around the internet AS we speak, that seems to corroborate what she is now claiming. Don't get me wrong: I'm not saying that ALL she says is true, I'm just saying that a larger part of what she says has the potential to be way more believable than anything that any of the other leakers (that don't even have the guts to come out with their own names like she does. That alone should stand for something) have claimed so far.
But I guess time will tell...
@Aethradon You're welcome. Keep breathing easy. It's doing your argumentation skills a world of good...
@Clownshoes
Nintendo is like every other business. They want your business as long as it makes them money. If they can't make money focusing on you they'll change their focus. There is a bussiness argument that they should cater to the Wii U long enough so they don't feel screwed. But their is also an argument that fans of Nintendo will take the abuse and buy the NX.
@TheRealThanos
I'm not saying I as a Nintendo fan wouldn't like that launch lineup. I just think that third parties being present are more important to NX from a market perspective. And I haven't seen any plans on why third parties will come unless the power rumer is true. But even that alone won't bring significant third parties. I think Nintendo is in a catch 22. They need NX to be successful to draw third parties, but they need third parties to be successful. We'll see if NX does get enough 3rd party business to be successful.
@Mario-Man-Child
Maybe abuse was harsh. But I think it's fair to say fans expected more content than was created for the Wii U. Maybe you could say that fans that are still with Nintendo will take more disappointments before they won't support them. However, I'd say that's universally true of anyone that's brand loyal.
@cleveland124 Only time will tell, my friend, and luckily E3 2016 is more or less around the corner, but I'll post my own prediction here once again:
(and I'll italize it for dramatic emphasis... )
After the investor/shareholder meeting on the 27th of April, Nintendo will come out with either a small press conference or a special Direct somewhere between the 28th of April and the 30th of May, giving away some details on NX and Zelda U.
There, I said it, but don't take my word for it, since my track record is considerably less stable than Emily Rogers'...
@BornInNorway81 I really don't get Nintendo Land? I tried to like it, but I never could get into almost any of it, just curious, do the majority of Wii U owners love Nintendo Land?
@TheRealThanos
Nintendo is soo secretive anymore. They should start building hype for NX, but I don't think we'll know more until E3 or maybe even 3rd quarter. But I think the controller is a gimmick and they "won't want it stolen" so I don't think we'll know much until right before launch.
@Danrenfroe2016
No.
@cleveland124 Well, they must build hype BEFORE E3, and not by relying on mostly incorrect rumors of forum leakers, so that tiny window of a month's time in between the investor meeting and the E3 itself is perfect for doing so.
Speaking purely from a sales & marketing perspective (my trade, as some of you will already know by now) it would be a VERY smart move, and if they don't take that opportunity then they very well had better totally blow us away on the E3, so all secrecy will be forgiven, or otherwise (positive as I am) I will also start to have my doubts if they can ever get it right again.
I have a large amount of trust in Kimishima considering his track record, so I'm not looking at Nintendo but at him. He knows what must be done to hit the ground running and he is the one at the controls right now, so I will definitely not be surprised at all if they drop some info before E3...
@Danrenfroe2016 I'd definately say most Wii U owners enjoy it. It's a great game to play with friends. Ignore the more negative people in the thread, there are quite a lot of them. I know that I've spent so much time playing it with friends and family, and enjoyed all of it.
The only problem I ever had with Wii u was the lack of games to play for the first 2 years! It slike they launched the console and went... ... Oh golly-gosh! we better make some Nintendo games now...
@bolt05 - please mind the profanity. Thanks muchly
@Danrenfroe2016 From my own experience, playing with a family with younger kids we have been milking Nintendo Land for years. Playing with a group of somewhat dedicated people probably helps immensely.
Not sure anyone has figures on whether the majority of Wii U owners love it. I think it's clear that the majority of the tiny fraction of Wii U owners who take the time to post on comment boards at nintendolife don't.
The problem with the game, in my estimation, is presentation. It's so odd looking with little to nothing to anchor on. It's an amusement park... that has no resemblance to any amusement park in history. It's made of tangible elements... which are inexplicably far out of scale as if you were miniaturized or something sometimes. It's a confusing colorful mess of a theme.
Anyway, few gave it a chance after one look, and unfortunately the asynchronous play and other innovations needed more than one person per home or group to get on board a crazy looking train.
Honestly, the game is fun and way deeper than it looks. The technique required to finish later stages of the Zelda game is pretty great. Getting all the challenges in Metroid Blast will really push most people. Doing those things in a cooperative group is deeply satisfying to me, at least. But... ultimately it probably had the biggest hand in the failure of the Wii U.
Uhhh im sorry, I love Nintendo deeply, but Nintendo land was a steaming pile of dinosaur turd. The number of secondhand copies on the shelf at every ebgames in Australia is proof... The console should have shipped with Mario kart or cat suit Mario on day 1 and maybe it wouldn't have sat in my shed for the first 2 yrs unplayed. Again I love Nintendo but the Wii u launch and the abominable Nintendo land .. just sucked
Completely sick of rumours, I'll gladly wait for E3 instead of reading this nonsense.
@Mario-Man-Child
Nintendo has historically had a console for 5 years, then the Wii generation extended that to 7. How many people would have guessed before the Wii U came out that it would only last 4 years and how many would argue it was a good thing? The problem with 2-3 games a year is people have different interests and enjoy different games. So your 2-3 games may be 0 that interest me. Starfox isn't a big seller and may be a short game. A non-multiplayer game that you can beat in less than 5 hours is really enough to hold consumers for 6 months? Plus I think the competition has changed expectations. I mean the Wii had 1772 games. Would people really expect the successor to the Wii have abou 1/3 of the games.
If you're happy with the Wii U games you got, great. I'm not trying to convince you to not be happy. I'm just saying I don't think anybody thought it'd be this bad for Nintendo. I think Pachter got roasted for suggesting the Wii U would only sell 50 million units. As a consumer who values variety I think the Wii U fell quite a bit short in support and really solidifies the reputation of you only buy a Nintendo system for first party games.
Some may say stop reporting on rumors, but I say keep it up! Speculating about Nintendo consoles is so much fun because it always feels like anything is possible yet nothing can prepare you for its ideas - even the reveal!
With Sony appearing to go all in on PC-style spec-upsmanship Nintendo has an opportunity to be disruptive again - even just a little zig might make an NX more appealing than a PS4k/NEO to the current PS4 base, who might not have even thought about getting new hardware before Sony 4k chatter hit the internet.
What I think will be interesting is with 3p devs doing multiple builds for Sony titles now if that will help NX development pipelines as well, targeting portable / home / cloud-buffed builds or games that can reconfigure on the fly - if any of these rumors hold water of course - or if all these multiple versions are just not worth the expenditure on one ecosystem or another... or maybe NX is NEO and THAT rumor is true?
Blow my mind e3!
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@GammaPhonic This is so true.
There are of course those cynics and pragmatists who hate rumors and leaks.
I ain't one of those. I read with excitement every new piece of info.
Although after last year's E3 I will not be drawn into hype so thoroughly ever again :/
Emily Rogers is not reliable. In any case, if Nintendo has revamped their development process, why do they need a new system to execute it? Their failure with games like Tennis U, AC AF, Devil's Third, and some others, doesn't leave me with much benefit of the doubt.
@Timppis
I'd rather talk about games. But with a release schedule so sparse.......
@bluedogrulez That and the fact that they marketed horribly as a continuation of wii which over 100 million people already had and decided was good enough.
@Dakt Well, first off: it isn't attitude, just a matter of fact statement that I tend to do my research before I post anything. I do this in my everyday job, and it pours through in my private life as well. I simply hate being wrong, so I try to prevent it as much as possible. Obviously I'm only human, so it does happen, but like I said: if it does, then I'm certainly not too big to admit it.
However:
You mentioned Soul Calibur and the Rockstar game as proof, but I already said she got those wrong, indicating that we could skip those because we were going to talk about what she predicted correctly.
Saying things are educated guesses, conjecture or too unspecific doesn't necessarily invalidate the statements.
I wasn't talking about dates either, and especially in the case of third parties, like Ubisoft, I believe nobody saw that indefinite delay coming back then, hence all the backlash concerning the supposedly exclusive Rayman game, and we all know how that turned out...
Lastly, I never mentioned the Wii games, but even there no one could have predicted exactly how that would go, what with Project Rainfall and all that, so yeah, she was wrong there.
But still, I don't know how specifically you've looked into the other rumors, but these rumors here, even though obviously no where near confirmed, are more believable than most (if not any) of the others.
I sincerely hope that the first half of this rumor is true, the Wii U's lineup was a massive disappointment that was lacking in several good IPs and just had the potential to be better. I pretty much want to see collectathon Mario and Metroid Prime 4 before I even consider touching the NX, so hopefully those games are indeed being planned.
As for the other half, I definitely wouldn't mind a streaming device if it's done right because that's basically what people want to see. But admittedly there may be problems in getting that to work so I understand if it doesn't happen.
@Mario-Man-Child
Signs point very highly to NX coming this year. But we'll see. I don't think you should garauntee it'll come next year.
@Dakt Well, both this current article and the old one specifically state that it concerns rumors, so if you will it's a statement about rumors.
That I choose to deem them more believable than the others, that is obviously my own opinion, but when seen from your take on it, as definitive statements, then yeah, obviously most of it is wrong and you were right.
See? I don't mind saying that. But we weren't actually talking about the same thing exactly. I just take these rumors as all the other ones, except the reason why I think these are more believable is because they are more within the confines of what can be expected, instead of all kinds of fantastic gimmicks and capabilities. And if those are educated guesses, well then so be it...
@bluedogrulez Agreed. While Nintendo should have had more titles lined up for launch- as a whole, I'm satisfied with the first party content over the three years I've owned a Wii U.
I'd like to see the NX launch with maybe 4-6 quality titles, then have maybe one come out every other month on a fairly steady pace. That's kind of what the Wii U did, tho there were some droughts.
The key for sales, IMO, will be to have some titles that give a vast ROI early. Mario Maker, Smash, Splatoon, MK8 were all released too late. How killer would it be if Nintendo released a Dungeon Maker for the NX early on or a Mario 3d Maker, Mario Track Maker etc.?
1st party games will probably match the Wii U but it's the 3rd party games I am interesting too see what happens.
Good, the gimmick rumor has been killed. These days Nintendo has been obsessed with doing things first rather than doing things well, so for them to pretty much do what Vita's Remote Play and Shield's Gamestream has been doing would've been strange to see. Also it really made no sense for such a device not to have processors inside even though it's supposedly able to stream content everywhere.
If Nintendo really increases 1st party output on NX in any meaningful way, it will lead to a flooded market that 3rd parties cannot compete in.
3rd parties have been complaining for multiple generations about Nintendo systems being to 1st party heavy which hurts their sales.
Sony and Microsoft on the other hand have been shuttering studios this gen and slowing the amount of 1st party titles they release to make their systems more friendlier to 3rd parties. This is a key reason why they get more 3rd party support than Nintendo systems.
Exactly why would they make a wiiu2
@rockodoodle
DS and 3DS are proof that a lukewarm start can be overcome. Wii U did launch with a 2D Mario which has typically been one of their highest selling franchises. Much better selling than the 3D versions.
To test people's theories of Emily merely happening upon lucky guesses or already released information, I will have a go at some guesses and see if they come true:
A major publisher is lining-up at least two titles to launch alongside the NX.
Monster Games are working on a title that has already been rumoured and will excite many people.
Next Level Games have an NX project that has been worked on alongside Federation Force, it's a sequel to a 'well known Nintendo franchise'.
MyNintendo will play a big role on the NX and will be integrated with Miiverse in some way.
There's a new 3D Mario title in development that will literally 'blow people away'.
Namco Bandai are working closely with Nintendo on two upcoming titles for NX.
The NX launch in at least one of the major territories will take place in 2017.
An Animal Crossing title with both handheld and console functionality will be announced.
Nintendo's legacy will play a big part in NX.
There will be a long awaited return of a Nintendo franchise from the past...
@aaronsullivan
Your comment "The problem with the game, in my estimation, is presentation. It's so odd looking with little to nothing to anchor on."
This is I think my big problem with it. I am like what the hell? I'm not going to search around to find mini games. I would much prefer a list of mini games lol.
@Dakt Well, rumors/leaks are obviously always unconfirmed, while statements are either a personal truth or an absolute truth. At least, that is how I would interpret it.
And you're welcome, the pleasure was all mine. I definitely liked it a whole lot better than the "Alex is cute" statements...
To me, the older rumor seemed far-fetched and this sounds too good to be true. If there is a consolidated architecture for an NX console AND portable, there should be some truth to this, but still sounds like a tall promise.
If they could just make a console where the portable does double duty for a controller (that seems to be what most of this heading to) and where games can be played with different graphics settings, (that's what PlayStation NEO is looking like), it probably would solve a lot of development problems. Only issue I see is that portable and console together would have to be expensive.
@cleveland124 the 3ds also had a price drop- and a lower price point. Sure, it's possible to overcome, but I think the NX needs a strong launch to be successful.
@Mario-Man-Child
I think Nintendo is desperate and could release it this year. All the rumors and semi-legit info (Gamespot) points to this year.
But I certainly wouldn't garauntee something I have no factual information on for fear of looking like a fool.
@rockodoodle
All consoles get price drops. It's just in the case of the DS and 3DS they also coupled the drops with strong software support. I think NX needs a strong start to get third parties interested in it.
Considering the fact that it'll be home system with a remote play option, it's highly likely to have many exclusives. Before Nintendo games were separated to handheld and home system. Now they both will cover one system to do it all meaning that there will be sh*tloads of first party titles
@cleveland124 Yeah- that's why I mentioned the price point. $350 down to $300.... $250-$200.... I think there's a psychological barrier involved here.
Nintendo doesn't necessarily need a launch with a bunch of titles- or even stellar titles- but a launch with titles that provide value, as I mentioned above. Maybe not a single killer app, but something close to it.
Don't you think the Wii U might have had a different legacy if games like 3d World, Mario Maker, Smash and MK8 came out earlier in the system's life cycle?
@BornInNorway81 NintendoLand 2 would be great. I really loved the first one, but as with so many things, Nintendo just abandoned it. Sigh.
Well i won't be hyped up, this is something we hear every gen and then we all end up very disappointed.
@rockodoodle
My crystal ball is a little foggy. I think it could have helped some, but I don't think it becomes a successful console.
Those games play strongly towards people that already buy Nintendo products. Mario Maker is really the only one that may have made more inroads with better marketing. If you exclude the Wii and the phenomenon of motion controls, every Nintendo console has sold less than the previous. And the whys are still the same. It doesn't have most of todays popular games while the other systems do.
@Danrenfroe2016 I own a Wii U but have never played it, my favorite games are Pikmin 3, the HD zelda remakes, and Xenoblade X.
@bluedogrulez Third parties stated that there weren't enough first party software to help drive sales so therefore they didn't put much effort into their own software (or words to that effect - I forget whether it was EA or Ubisoft who said it)
This does all sound like crap. But I can't help but like what she said. If it turned out to be true, I wouldn't be opposed.
I say Nintendo needs to go all out with this launch, and bring some of their heavy hitters out on day 1 or at least within the launch window.
If I were Nintendo, I would launch the NX with the following games.
A brand new 3D Mario game that shows off the power of the system, its features, and of course, the controller.
Port Zelda Wii U to the NX with bonus features exclusive to that version.
Put out Ultimate Editions of Mario Kart 8 and Super Smash Bros for Wii U with remastered visuals and all DLC included for both games.
Have a game from one of Nintendo's other IPs ready at launch, such as F-Zero, Metroid, Star Fox(unlikely), etc.
This covers all their bases and ensures the NX has the games people want to play from day one. The 3D Mario game of course sells itself, Zelda is an enticing carrot to get Wii U owners to jump over, Ultimate Editions of Mario Kart 8 and Super Smash Bros for Wii U will offer a great value for the money, and will take full advantage of the popularity of those two IPs, which are the crown jewels of Nintendo's lineup.
Ultimate Editions of those two games also keeps the door open for Mario Kart 9 and Smash 5 to come out later in the lifespan of the system to give it a boost.
As for the final option, I think putting out a game in one of Nintendo's lower-tier IPs is a good move, both to regain the fans, but to give the system some cred with hardcore gamers.
Nintendo cannot hold back this time. They need a marketing blitz, a good number of AAA titles from both themselves and third-parties, and to leave a strong impression on the customers who will be in the market for a new console this holiday season.
Between the Neo and Playstaion VR, Sony will be pushing all they can this holiday season, and the Xbox One is not going anywhere.
Nintendo needs to market the hell out of the NX and make it the must own system this holiday season. Leave no doubts in the minds of the consumer.
The Nintendo of the 80s and 90s needs to come back.
One thing concerns me about this, which is the idea that a new system for first party games has been put in place, to make releasing games quicker; sure, that sounds great in concept, but will that affect the quality of the games themselves? Only time will tell.
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@Dakt Last year Mr Iwata said they were merging divisions to increase output and aggressively use their IP. So...these 'rumours' are rather safe and have a broad hitbox.
@Pichuka97 Yeah, I was thinking Pikmin 4 hadn't been mentioned for a long time.
@RainbowGazelle as a Wii U owner, the only middle finger that I see is the one coming from third parties who openly lied about supporting this console. The Wii U was dead the moment that EA took its ball and went home.
That moment when one unconfirmed Nintendo source rumor, claims another unconfirmed source is wrong. The Irony.
@empsolo If EA think they can just waltz in with the NX and be like, hey we got a bunch of games for this new hyped console, forget we messed the whole Nintendo user base with the Wii U. They are wrong, not that they have made that many great games lately anyway, so its not like we missed out. They are just as bad as Ubisoft in my eyes, and i could be without either of the companies on NX.
and yet it feels like forever still till E3...
I hope she's right.
Too good to be true I fear...although ANYTHING can blow away the Wii U's software lineup to be honest.
I can see this being true to some extent. I mean Nintendo opened up that other building about 1-2 years ago and considering the Wii U hasn't had many releases lately, I could see them hitting the NX really hard.
"Sorry but when did the Wii u lifespan become 4 years? NX isn't out yet and it won't be for at least a year and a half. I guarantee you the Wii u lifespan will be at least 5 years if not more."
@Mario-Man-Child Wow! That statement and this thread alone confirms how much you know about Nintendo and gaming in general . Very little.
@bluedogrulez If Nintendo can create a diverse enough line up of software then third party games shouldn't matter.
Although as always I hold rumours like this with a grain of salt, if the NX really blasted past their entire WiiU's first 3/4 years in a single year while retaining quallity and if the system is home to a mountain of great games does it really matter if it was published by Nintendo or not?
Sony and Microsoft will always prioritise third parties so much that their 1st party games are smaller than ever. I think Nintendo's best bet is just making their system enticing enough for the third parties to put their games on it, they don't need the best selling version of FIFA they just need to be able to have it sell enough to keep getting new entries.
I would just like to say I was really happy to realise just last week that Emily was back online. I don't recall a single time she steered me wrong. Regardless of this happening or not, I will surely am already saving up my money for this Xmas...
I don't think I'll be picking up the NX at launch unless they show me games! I'm going to wait until I see a proper lineup. I hate to admit that since I've always picked up Nintendo systems at launch but I still cannot get over how disappointed I've been with the WiiU. If I find out that the new Zelda game ends up getting released as a NX exclusive, that'll be the final nail in the coffin for me.
I'm sure others have had more enjoyment with the system than me. As weird as it sounds, Super Mario Maker & Super Smash Bros do not interest me one bit. I know I'm probably in the minority there. So technically my 2 favorite games on WiiU are Super Mario Kart 8 & Donkey Kong 64 (I've probably gotten more enjoyment out of eShop games with the WiiU than release titles...c'mon man).
Anyways, I'm going to pick up the NX regardless (I'll always be a Nintendophile at heart) but for the first time I'm going to wait a bit. Rant over.
I certainly believe that Nintendo will try as hard as possible to ensure the NX's library is far superior to that of the Wii U, and they will more than likely succeed thanks to the Nintendo's recent consolidation of their handheld and home console software divisions. This is further supported by the increasingly likely possibility that the NX will be a single platform consisting of at least a handheld and console unit, rather than being 2 distinct platforms with distinct software outputs.
That being said, suggesting that the NX's first year first party output will exceed that of the Wii U's first 3-4 years is a bit of a ludicrous prediction. I would certainly love for that to be the case, but that likely won't happen unless Nintendo starts hiring like crazy or starts buying studios left and right.
@cleveland124 Mario Kart is laughable? And Splatoon isn't Nintendo's replacement for COD, it's just their unique take on the genre.
Nintendo needs to focus heavily on software. Despite them developing great quality games, they do not have the man power and recourses to push out enough software. Additionally, their games do not seem to appeal to a diverse consumer base. GameCube had enough horsepower to run many third party games but failed to sell 3rd part content. To attract 3rd party's consumer base, Nintendo's new system will have to be powerful to make 3rd party games the optimal version on the NX. If not, Nintendo will have to make 1st party games that appeal to that base (non-family friendly games) to establish the base for 3rd parties.
@Project_Dolphin I don't mind at all and fully agreed on both points, but like all other human beings, if things take long enough, I too allow myself to get a bit carried away with all the hype for the plain and simple reason that Nintendo themselves don't say anything whatsoever, which annoys the hell out of me.
So, for lack of official information, we just take these rumors and try and dissect what could be true or feasible, even if in the end none of it is. Basically, all humans like to gossip and rumors about consoles are nothing different, so we will keep on mumbling and rumors will keep on coming until Nintendo finally decides to silence them with their official announcement...
Which by the way I predicted (and also hope) is coming not too long after the shareholder meeting and well before E3, otherwise they'll have too much to discuss during the actual show and there will also not be an opportunity to build hype/momentum towards E3...
As for setting the bar: mine is quite realistic. I just want a nice console with great games that will be successful in some fashion. For me it doesn't have to be the most powerful one as long as it can tag along with the other two, and because it's Nintendo, I do expect something quirky in addition to all that.
Something that only Nintendo could come up with, only this time I want it to hit home with the consumer and not be labeled gimmick or whatever other negative connotation again. Let them have their success; they're the only true console giant left in this world...
'Multiple unannounced Wii U projects were moved over to NX'
Out of almost everything stated, this seems the most likely.
I mean, yeah, it happens with nearly every Nintendo Console...(Mario 64 from SNES to N64, Animal Crossing from N64 to Gamecube, Super Paper Mario from Gamecube to Wii, and even Mother 3 from N64DD to GBA) but that's what makes it likely.
So we should believe the words of one rumormonger over another?
No matter what it is, I'm sure it'll be unique.
"Multiple unannounced Wii U projects were moved over to NX"
Not so surprising, considering Wii u's life ends much quicker then Nintendo had hoped for.
The worst thing about it: Multiple unnanounced wii u project have been moved...
A slap in the face for those who bought the wii u and might not buy the NX - I am currently on the fence about buying any new consoles at all -
About Nx maybe it wont be released this year so there is nothing to leak. Maybe they try to sell as much wiiu they can and release zelda on it in december then Nx early next spring.
@DBPirate
I love Mario Kart. But I also love sim and arcade racing with a steering wheel. And Mario Kart doesn't fill that void. I'd say there are sub genres like a game with Mario Kart where it's a chaotic arcade racing game. That one game alone will not satisfy race fans and some won't like that game.
We were talking about Nintendo's ability to satisfy the market desires and be able to create games broad enough to satisfy individual needs without third parties. I didn't say Mario Kart was laughable itself. I said it was laughable to think that racing fans would be satisfied enough with Mario Kart that they wouldn't want other systems racings games.
53 days to go until E3 2016.
Well, reading these rumors leaves me with a few thoughts. One, I don't doubt that Nintendo will not do everything in their powers to release as many games as possible for the system. If NX is the eventual successor for the Wii U as well as the 3DS, this is very possible.
Keeping with the idea that NX is some sort of hybrid, does this mean some of the experiences could be mobile in nature. Are we looking at some sort of platform that may need to have a data package. Mobile games can be turned around quicker than the traditional console or handheld game.
The final thought is that port games from third parties over to the NX better be as easy as the earlier rumor suggested. The last thing most third party developers want to hear is that Nintendo is making more first party games. For the most part if you own a Nintendo system, you are a fan of the Nintendo properties, and when you go to purchase a game, you look to buy the first party games first.
All of this said, we have heard nothing of NX, and the longer we go with hearing nothing the less likely we are to get it this year.
@TheRealThanos typo error my bad
Surely the "gimmick" will be a home NX and and portable NX. Two distinctly separate consoles that cohese 100%
Nintendo have merged their home and portable departments over the past two years and started striving to involve the 3DS with the Wii U with games like Monster Hunter and Smash Bros.
Evolving this idea to the next level would be cross format software development and complete compatibility between the home and portable version, allowing the portable to access the console at home including full operation as a controller, off-to play and potentially remote play, accessing the eShop for both consoles and managing your purchases and accounts for both machines.
Asking a consumer to invest in all this up front would be asking them for £450-£600, so keeping them separate at a 65-35% split on cost would make sense.
They might have merged their departments, but why would Nintendo merge their markets? They make a lot of money from people buying just a 3DS and no home console.
I'm very much looking forward to E3 this year and finding out exactly how much money Nintendo will need from me by the end of the year.
I've not been this intrigued and excited about a console since the N64.
@Danrenfroe2016 Yeah, Nintendo Land also gives off the vibe that all the games are mini-games in the vein of what the Wii offered at its worst. Even the competitive games have more depth than what most think of as mini-games.
Incidentally, you can just tap a button and pick all the games from a menu.
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