Last week, we reported on the rumour that Nintendo was funding the development of Beyond Good And Evil 2 in order to make the game an NX exclusive in 2017. Reaction to this rumour was somewhat mixed, with many assuming it was simply wishful thinking - an Ubisoft exclusive on a Nintendo system? Yeah, we've been there before.
However, the site which broke the rumour - Destructoid - has revealed that Ubisoft has actually been in touch and asked for the article to be removed.
If you listen to this podcast (which, we warn you, does contain some naughty words), the segment in question comes up around the 6 minute mark. It is stated that on the day the original story broke, an Ubisoft representative got in touch with the author of the post and requested that it be taken down.
Companies rarely respond to rumours or conjecture, so the very fact that Ubisoft has gotten in touch with Destructoid would suggest that there's something in the story after all. What do you think this means? Let us know by posting a comment.
Thanks to Ryan Millar for the tip!
[source destructoiduk.libsyn.com]
Comments 74
Suspicious indeed
@SanderEvers if nintendo really would finance this game, they could not release it on the other consoles.
Well that brings one question: How's development coming along?
I just want the game to still exist!!!
Year is long time to wait release for other console owners so 1 year deals are long enough to get people buy NX version. If it's console exclusive for whole generation then it works as good reason to buy NX. I hope these rumours are true and game is actually coming out.
I'd like this to be true purely to see all the Console Entitlists come out of the wood work and start throwing their controllers out of the cot.
Beyond Good & Evil's HD port is a backwards compatible (read: playable on X1) X360 title, making @FX102A's hypothesis all the more hilarious.
@SanderEvers Thats what I think. Its either a paid exclusive, or an exclusive like Street Fighter 5 (which will get an Xbox and NX version in a year or so, they'll just call it ultimate or super or something)
@AyeHaley Actually SFV is partialy funded by Sony. I wouldn't bet on a port.
It wouldn't necessarily come out on other consoles. It's not a title like Street Fighter V where it's a guaranteed money-maker. The reason BG&E2 hasn't come out is because as a project, it's more than likely going to lose money than make it. It's like Bayonetta 2, where it was never going to get made unless a console manufacturer steps in, happy to take a loss on it's development in return for a little boost to their console's image.
SFV and Rise of the Tomb Raider are not relying on MS or Sony to get made. Bayonetta 2 and Beyond Good and Evil 2 ARE.
I don't believe a word of it. They could have taken the article down themselves to make the rumour look plausible.
However, if Ubisoft was concerned about the rumour spreading regardless of whether or not it is true, why hasn't anyone from the company outright said "IT'S NOT TRUE!!"
@FragRed Ubisoft isn't giving an official press release stating it's not true, cause that would raise further suspicion. In my mind, this makes the rumor less plausible. Not taking away the fact how smart of a move that would've been from Nintendo. If it were true, it has HYPE written all over it.
I refer you to my previous comment:
whodatninja5 days ago
Ubisoft and Nintendo? That relationship is doomed to fail.
Hasn't this game been in production for the past 5 years? I remember hearing that it was coming out on PS3 and 360 during their 2nd year.
If nintendo made this an NX exclusive, then that would help them out greatly. This sequel has had many fans wanting it, so with having this out on NX, it could help nintendo...even though Bayonetta 2 didn't really help the Wii U too much. This is the kind of stuff nintendo needs to do to get back more fans. I honestly can't wait for E3 just to see what the NX is and what games are coming to it! Much anticipation for their next console!
@NewAdvent @Order2Chaos Ah I see what you are saying, yeah that actually makes sense.
Kinda I guess why Nintendo hasn't outright denied any NX rumours since the time they made the statement denying that it would on Android - the internet kinda started believing it to be true for a while.
Interesting...
Very interesting...
Would be amazing for Nintendo rescue one lost cult project again.
Michel Ancel is a game designer legend and would be simply amazing to see his game get the funding and release like Bayonetta 2 did.
That does seem suspicious but it could always be Ubisoft deleting articles that are giving fans false implications on their future projects. We have been getting a lot of leaks lately that turned out to be legit so maybe this one is too then
What kind of shape would a BG&E sequel even take by now? And would Ancel be allowed to direct it? I'm not sure I really care yet, even if it was true.
This seems rather niche to be a selling point for the NX. Unless they plan on porting the PS3/360 version to the Wii U and/or the NX, I see no point of the sequel coming to NX seeing as the bulk of the audience are gaming on rival systems, and I strongly doubt that people are going to put down their PS4s and rally in support of the NX (unless Nintendo devise some way to excite the masses again).
E3 HYPEEEEEEEEE!
really looks like Ninty, is gonna hit a home run with this system, I mean this gen still has years to go, if Nintendo has an up to par console and is getting all the main multi-plat games plus its own first party exclusives plus other third party exclusives like this, maybe Bayo 3 also, there's just no reason for buying any other system besides the NX
@FragRed
Because outright responding "it's not true" puts them in a situation where now they're expected to respond to every rumored title.
And then when a rumor comes along that's ACTUALLY true, they'll have to keep silent, because they can't just outright lie (and if they did then what they say means nothing anyways) and they can't just come out and say "ya it's true" way before they want to reveal it.
And then, because they deny everything else but keep silent on one specific rumor, that'll be a dead giveaway. Why don't you respond? You deny every OTHER rumor.
This is the ultimate dilemma denying rumors leads to. Unless the spread of a rumor could be incredibly damaging, companies will not respond.
Which is exactly why them taking action so quickly here is pretty strong evidence there's something to it.
If they could have been lying about the rumor couldn't they have lied about Ubisoft contacting them?
@Fee assuming you believe that gaming journalists are liars then I guess, yes.
This doesn't mean anything. Remember, Ubisoft planned on saying something about the Rayman Smash leak, and that turned out to be nothing, so maybe they just don't like rumors. Or maybe it's to prevent the spreading of false information.
All I see in this picture is a realistic Pigma.
its well known that if a game company attempts to ut down a rumor there is a good chance it is true
If this is true, I wouldn't be surprised if it is announced at E3 with the NX. I also think if Nintendo is shelling out the money to make it, we will not be seeing it on other consoles.
@ChromXsome That's not entirely true. Ninja Gaiden 3 Razor's Edge wad funded by Nintendo but KT still eventually pit it on ps3/360
Why are people finding this hard to believe? They did it with Bayo and then Devils Third. They've had good relations with UBI even if they pretty much made a smart company decision to stop being AAA games because of sales. In not saying I believe it yet but I do want to believe as I loved the first game and this would be added incentive to get NX day one for me. Fingers crossed!!
@ASonic3582 never heard of that. Where's your source then I'll believe. Plus it was a updated version of a game already made.
@Spoony_Tech My easiest to find source is Nintendo's official site for Razor's edge, as Nintendo only gives games it publishes their own sites. http://ninjagaiden3.nintendo.com/ I also have a boxed copy that shows Ninty as the publisher, but I don't know how to put pictures in comments here. I had others, but I couldn't find them quick enough given I have a quick errand and their ~4 years old. And BTW, the ported versions of Razor's Edge just came day 1 with all the content added as free update dlc to the Wii U on disc.
@Spoony_Tech My easiest to find source is Nintendo's official site for Razor's edge, as Nintendo only gives games it publishes their own sites. http://ninjagaiden3.nintendo.com/ I also have a boxed copy that shows Ninty as the publisher, but I don't know how to put pictures in comments here. I had others, but I couldn't find them quick enough given I have a quick errand and their ~4 years old. And BTW, the ported versions of Razor's Edge just came day 1 with all the content added as free update dlc to the Wii U on disc.
@Spoony_Tech My easiest to find source is Nintendo's official site for Razor's edge, as Nintendo only gives games it publishes their own sites. http://ninjagaiden3.nintendo.com/ I also have a boxed copy that shows Ninty as the publisher, but I don't know how to put pictures in comments here. I had others, but I couldn't find them quick enough given I have a quick errand and their ~4 years old. And BTW, the ported versions of Razor's Edge just came day 1 with all the content added as free update dlc to the Wii U on disc.
@Spoony_Tech My easiest to find source is Nintendo's official site for Razor's edge, as Nintendo only gives games it publishes their own sites. http://ninjagaiden3.nintendo.com/ I also have a boxed copy that shows Ninty as the publisher, but I don't know how to put pictures in comments here. I had others, but I couldn't find them quick enough given I have a quick errand and their ~4 years old. And BTW, the ported versions of Razor's Edge just came day 1 with all the content added as free update dlc to the Wii U on disc.
Why are some of you finding this so hard to believe, Bayonetta should be the only example you need. I'd say this is very plausible to be honest especially if work has already been made on the game previously and Nintendo have stepped in to get it finished.
Also are some of you forgetting BG&E was on the gamecube, once upon a time?
@Spoony_Tech
Bayo and Devils Third developers are not in the same ballpark as UbiSoft. As someone pointed out Ubisoft don't need Nintendo money. They can release the game on all platforms and probably make much more.
Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you and I too will like it to be true. But even if it is conjecture, it still has to add up.
I will support you by saying third parties are not fools. They are not going to invest heavily in a NX launch game without some financial prodding base on Nintendos recent sales history. Even the bigger ones.
UbiSoft was the biggest third party risk taker with the WiiUs launch. ZombiU. AC, along with pretty much every other third party game were cheap, low cost, low risk x360 ports. I can't see this being any better on the NX. The NX is rumoured to be a x86 processor system so I can see a lot of already released ports coming but not much new.
I won't totally write it off, but I won't put my car on it.
@Spoony_Tech
Bayo and Devils Third developers are not in the same ballpark as UbiSoft. As someone pointed out Ubisoft don't need Nintendo money. They can release the game on all platforms and probably make much more.
Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you and I too will like it to be true. But even if it is conjecture, it still has to add up.
I will support you by saying third parties are not fools. They are not going to invest heavily in a NX launch game without some financial prodding base on Nintendos recent sales history. Even the bigger ones.
UbiSoft was the biggest third party risk taker with the WiiUs launch. ZombiU. AC, along with pretty much every other third party game were cheap, low cost, low risk x360 ports. I can't see this being any better on the NX. The NX is rumoured to be a x86 processor system so I can see a lot of already released ports coming but not much new.
I won't totally write it off, but I won't put my car on it.
@Spoony_Tech
Bayo and Devils Third developers are not in the same ballpark as UbiSoft. As someone pointed out Ubisoft don't need Nintendo money. They can release the game on all platforms and probably make much more.
Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you and I too will like it to be true. But even if it is conjecture, it still has to add up.
I will support you by saying third parties are not fools. They are not going to invest heavily in a NX launch game without some financial prodding base on Nintendos recent sales history. Even the bigger developers.
UbiSoft was the biggest third party risk taker with the WiiUs launch. ZombiU. AC, along with pretty much every other third party game were cheap, low cost, low risk x360 ports. I can't see this being any better on the NX. The NX is rumoured to be a x86 processor system so I can see a lot of already released ports coming but not much new.
I won't totally write it off, but I won't put my car on it.
@Spoony_Tech
Bayo and Devils Third developers are not in the same ballpark as UbiSoft. As someone pointed out Ubisoft don't need Nintendo money. They can release the game on all platforms and probably make much more.
Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you and I too will like it to be true. But even if it is conjecture, it still has to add up.
I will support you by saying third parties are not fools. They are not going to invest heavily in a NX launch game without some financial prodding base on Nintendos recent sales history. Even the bigger ones.
UbiSoft was the biggest third party risk taker with the WiiUs launch. ZombiU. AC, along with pretty much every other third party game were cheap, low cost, low risk x360 ports. I can't see this being any better on the NX. The NX is rumoured to be a x86 processor system so I can see a lot of already released ports coming but not much new.
I won't totally write it off, but I won't put my car on it.
@Spoony_Tech
Bayo and Devils Third developers are not in the same ballpark as UbiSoft. As someone pointed out Ubisoft don't need Nintendo money. They can release the game on all platforms and probably make much more.
Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you and I too will like it to be true. But even if it is conjecture, it still has to add up.
I will support you by saying third parties are not fools. They are not going to invest heavily in a NX launch game without some financial prodding base on Nintendos recent sales history. Even the bigger ones.
UbiSoft was the biggest third party risk taker with the WiiUs launch. ZombiU. AC, along with pretty much every other third party game were cheap, low cost, low risk x360 ports. I can't see this being any better on the NX. The NX is rumoured to be a x86 processor system so I can see a lot of already released ports coming but not much new.
I won't totally write it off, but I won't put my car on it.
@Spoony_Tech
Bayo and Devils Third developers are not in the same ballpark as UbiSoft. As someone pointed out Ubisoft don't need Nintendo money. They can release the game on all platforms and probably make much more.
Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you and I too will like it to be true. But even if it is conjecture, it still has to add up.
I will support you by saying third parties are not fools. They are not going to invest heavily in a NX launch game without some financial prodding base on Nintendos recent sales history. Even the bigger ones.
UbiSoft was the biggest third party risk taker with the WiiUs launch. ZombiU. AC, along with pretty much every other third party game were cheap, low cost, low risk x360 ports. I can't see this being any better on the NX. The NX is rumoured to be a x86 processor system so I can see a lot of already released ports coming but not much new.
I won't totally write it off, but I won't put my car on it.
@Spoony_Tech
Bayo and Devils Third developers are not in the same ballpark as UbiSoft. As someone pointed out Ubisoft don't need Nintendo money. They can release the game on all platforms and probably make much more.
Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you and I too will like it to be true. But even if it is conjecture, it still has to add up.
I will support you by saying third parties are not fools. They are not going to invest heavily in a NX launch game without some financial prodding base on Nintendos recent sales history. Even the bigger ones.
UbiSoft was the biggest third party risk taker with the WiiUs launch. ZombiU. AC, along with pretty much every other third party game were cheap, low cost, low risk x360 ports. I can't see this being any better on the NX. The NX is rumoured to be a x86 processor system so I can see a lot of already released ports coming but not much new.
I won't totally write it off, but I won't put my car on it.
NL seems to have some issues, many of the last posts (including mine) were sent twice or even 3 times (probably because the site didn't show them at first).
It (probably) means they are planning/working on BG&E2. The question remains whether it is funded by Nintendo and therefore and exclusive or not.
That said, the game fits perfectly on Nintendo consoles, so an exclusive would make sense. But I don't really care whether it's an exclusive or not.
@Spoony_Tech: I don't find it hard to believe at all. I think the reason why people are doubting this is
a) it's Ubisoft, they have a bad track record with supposed Wii U exclusives (Rayman, Zombi U) that weren't so exclusive in the end. But I don't know whether those two titles were co-founded by Nintendo or not.
b) it's a rumour. Right now the rumours are going crazy about NX and most of them are completely unfounded. So that's why some people are overly cautious about any new rumour.
It could mean anything. If I were a game company, and websites were posting untrue rumors about a project I'm not working on, I might want it taken down too.
If it is not true then the obvious response would be, "we are not making another Beyond Good And Evil game".
Any other response either suggests there will be another game or they want the rumours to continue.
3rd party games should strive to be be available across all systems. it's better for the games themselves if more people get to play them. If Nintendo are co developing or funding then obviously it should be console exclusive and perhaps be on PC as well.
I just hope the NX as a whole is a system that's desirable for all 3rd parties to port their games on.
@Savino @Hotfusion
"Ubisoft doesn't need Nintendo's money to make a game."
Neither does Sega.
I loved the first BG&E, so I'd be happy just to see the sequel come to fruition. On that note, IF Nintendo IS financing the sequel and gets the original remastered in the deal (ala Bayonetta), I hope it would not a direct port of the HD Remaster for PS3 or Xbox 360. Leastways, the PS3 version got buggy toward the end of the game. All the same, the key words being "if Nintendo is".
This is the kind of game that would do well on a Nintendo platform, one would think...
The original had charm, interesting characters, and a Zelda like gameplay structure.
Of course it's Ubisoft, so they'll probably turn it into a generic "gritty" stealth game...and be poorly optimized for consoles and buggy.
This game isn't big enough to give the NX much of an advantage. You have to be old to remember the first because so much time has passed. I wouldn't be surprised if people who started gaming with the PS3 or PS4 don't even know what it is. There are probably even people from the PS2 era that have never heard of it before.
@SanderEvers You mean just like the way the Nintendo funded Bayonetta 2 is out now on PS4 and Xbox One?? If it does happen and is published by Nintendo I'm sure it will stay on the NX and only the NX.
@ASonic3582 Publishing and funding are two completely different matters.
I love how when sites do actual games journalism instead of just games reporting, the companies throw a snit fit and try to censor it. Utterly ridiculous, Ubisoft. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
@AyeHaley There will be only 1 version of Street Fighter 5. There will be no Ultimate or Super editions. Anything they add in to the game will be free downloadable content. Capcom has repeated it several times. SFV is the one and only version.
@Savino "sell millions"
Like the first BG&E, right?
Part 2 on NX... I can picture it..
Watch fans who played Beyond good and evil on other consoles freak out if they announce this on NX only .
This is Bayonetta 2 all over again!
@NewAdvent It's suspicious simply because publishers don't usually directly respond to rumors like that. When they do, it automatically lends credence to them.
Maybe they're so ashamed of there being no development of BG&E2 whatsoever in progress, that they don't want people to even talk about it, hence they want to shut up rumors that give false hope?
Or maybe Nintendo's gonna do a bayonetta on this game. :3
Even if Nintendo gets the exclusive, it doesn't guarantee that it's gonna be a good game though ~
Let's wait and see!
@RoomB31 :I'm not saying they're lying or even that I think they're lying but I know for sure that they do lie. For example. https://www.nintendolife.com/reviews/3ds/senran_kagura_2_deep_crimson
"for example, defeated characters can be ogled at using the 3DS console's motion sensor,"
@Damo: "If you can honestly hold your hand up and say you don't feel even the slightest bit awkward using the 3DS motion controls to pan the camera around a half-naked, large-chest anime girl after you've beaten her senseless then you're a better person that I am, clearly."
Yeah, you can't actually do that in the game. @Alex_Olney may not have been lying(since you can look at your own character with the gyro after they're defeated) but @Damo (who wrote this article) definitely was.(or just wasn't paying attention) You can't use the gyro to look at your enemy after they're defeated. The camera pans around them automatically and then instantly changes back to either the main game, or your own character's victory pose. So yeah, they lie. Not a big example but it's the first thing that came to mind. I could also mention @ThomasBW84 's article about censorship, but that was probably just ignorance. Oh, there it is. Now I remember @ThomasBW84 promising he wouldn't switch the live stream of the VGA(Or is it VGX? Whatever) anymore and then proceeding to switch it two more times. Blatant lies right there.
For the record I wasn't trying to say that the Destructoid person was lying. My first post was more like. "Does this really make the rumor any more credible than it was before?" But when you said "If you believe game journalists lie" I was like. "Pfft, was there ever any doubt?" Those examples weren't very serious but they definitely lie. Let's just not pretend there's a question. Fee will never lie to you though.
It would be a notable exclusive that's for sure. Will be watching developments with bated breath.
Asking them to remove it seems to be rather stupid. That guy needs a few psychology lessons.
Ubisoft asked for it to be removed because they are getting sick and tired of fans clamoring for a sequel to one of the most underrated and unique titles under their banner and all they want to do is make yearly Assassins Creed games. BG&E would make an excellent Nintendo IP, and Ubisoft is obviously not interested in taking a chance of the franchise ince the first didn't sell too well initially, so I don't see why they would care otherwise.
@Vincent294 The development is probably similar to Bayonetta 2 as in that it has some work into it but not funded enough and now that Nintendo is funding it and making it an exclusive they got to make major changes to the gameplay and also have some Nintendo changes. But since Nintendo made Bayonetta 100 times more Bayonetta then I have faith Beyond Good and Evil 2 will far surpass the first. But in my oppinion it seems like it should be a WiiU title since the WiiU gamepad is fitting for useing the camera
@Fee What an exciting and fun-packed life you must lead.
@sillygostly
But the original came out on gamecube...
@starman292 : Yes, but I pointed out that it wasn't ported to Wii or Wii U, meaning that it makes very little business sense to produce a sequel for a platform where the target audience simply isn't there. At least with Bayonetta, they included the first game as a bonus, so unless Ubisoft plans on doing the same with Beyond Good and Evil 2, I strongly doubt that it will find the audience that it will need on NX.
Where's smoke there's fire! This Ubisoft-move shows chances are 90% that its true!
@Damo Wow that was pathetic. Did you really just tell me to get a life? Really? That's it? I thought you were better than this @Damo. Can't you come up with something better? You write on the daily. You should be better with words. (Like Fee)
@jbopatrick And you believe that? ...We'll see.
@Peach64 while I agree that SFV and Rise of the Tomb Raider would have existed with or without console manufacturer backing, comparing Bayonetta 2 to BG&E2 is a bit far fetched.
Bayo 2 is a Platinum game. Platinum isn't the monolithic studio Ubisoft is. Not by a longshot.
Without additional funding, games like Far Cry Primal, Wild, AC Syndicate and even Watch Dogs wouldn't be possible by Platinum.
Bayo 2 needed Nintendo because Platinum doesn't have the cash necessary for such an undertaking.
The game is head and tails beyond their lesser funded games (Korra, Transformers).
It's painfully obvious Nintendo scaled back the budget for Star Fox after Bayo 2 failed to perform to the Big N's expectations.
If Ubisoft WANTED BG&E2 to be made, they'd fund it themselves.
But it made about as much money in it's first year as the Division will make in a month.
They've moved on and it's just Nintendo fans that cling to past glory that actually care about it anymore.
Ask anyone else, and if they told you a sequel, Half Life 3, Left for Dead 3, Portal 3 and dozens of other games would be listed before BG&E2.
It was a great game.
But it's not the type of game Ubisoft wants to make.
That's the difference.
Platinum wanted to make Bayo 2, I've played most of it. It shows. They really loved that game. It is the most Nintendo game that Nintendo was never going to make.
Nintendo needs to take their games in the direction of BG&E2's art style and gameplay (Mario particularly) for people to continue to care about them, and it would be a nice game to have in their arsenal.
But there's next to nothing in it for Ubisoft.
New rumor, I'm starting it right..
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NOW.
Ok, so we all know Vivendi is a major controlling party in Ubisoft right now.
We all know that they own a controlling stake in Gameloft (smaller mobile gaming company) an associated off-shoot of Ubisoft.
And we all know that French law allows Vivendi to make a play at a takeover.
What if BG&E2 is indeed back in development, an NX exclusive and the first of several NX exclusives from Ubisoft?
My educated guess (based of this socio-politically relevant information, Ubisoft's recent behavior and Nintendo's iron jaw regarding NX info) is that Nintendo has already put a significant sum on the table, to ensure these exclusives.
But Vivendi isn't part of the deal.
Why would either company follow this road? Ubisoft is knee deep is next gen, Nintendo is wet behind the ears. Ubisoft has a ton more experience on various platforms. And Ubisoft isn't aiming for the same demographics.
What does Ubisoft gain?
Nintendo shares. A day one spotlight when NX launches. Financial independance from Vivendi. And a digital storefront just waiting for a boatload of classic Ubisoft games.
Only when the deal is mutually exclusive does it start to make sense. And ladies and gentlemen, this partnership is starting to make sense.
Like Bandai-Namco, Square-Enix or Activision-Blizzard, Nintendo-Ubisoft would be a mutually beneficial partnership between like minded individuals, but with their individual figureheads remaining (mostly) seperated.
I'd like to see Ubisoft Montreal get together with NoA and NoE get together with Ubisoft's European branch.
But, and most importantly, Ubisoft is a new presence in mobile for Nintendo, while Nintendo holds all the keys to Japan for Ubisoft.
Personally, I want to see this transpire. As much as people may hold grudges for things like AC Rogue, the Legends delay and ZombiU being terrible, it can't be denied that Nintendo still needs all the support they can muster.
@Damo @ThomasBW84 Ubisoft filed a new Beyond Good and Evil trademark two days ago. I posted the details here: https://www.nintendolife.com/forums/nintendo-nx/psst_uncle_joeys_nx_rumors_recap?start=420#reply-433
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