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Nintendo Reports Losses for Q1 of Financial Year, With Variable Hardware Results

Posted by Thomas Whitehead

Wii U gains over last year, though the 3DS falls away

Back in May this year Nintendo revealed its losses for the last financial year, with the company projecting profits for the following year as it aims to reverse consecutive poor returns. The Q1 results have now been published and they tell a mixed story, with the quest for profits evidently being left to busier times later in the year.

The financial figures, first of all, show that Nintendo has had a tough summer — between 1st April and 30th June; there's an 8.4% drop in net sales over the equivalent quarter last year, which has led to fairly even losses across the board. Operating income — which is the nuts and bolts of Nintendo's business — brought a loss of 9,470 million Yen, which is roughly $92.7 million / €69.2 million / £54.7 million; the net loss, which is the final picture after all costs are dealt with, was 9,924 million Yen, around $97.2 million / €72.5 million / £57.4 million. The financial report says the following in relation to these figures.

During the three months ended June 30, 2014, for “Nintendo 3DS (3DS, 3DS XL and 2DS),” titles such as “Kirby: Triple Deluxe” and “Tomodachi Life,” released in May and June respectively in the United States and Europe, gained wide popularity. As a consequence, the global sales of the “Nintendo 3DS” hardware and software reached 0.82 million units and 8.57 million units respectively.

With respect to “Wii U,” “Mario Kart 8,” released globally in May, marked 2.82 million units in sales. The worldwide sales of the “Wii U” hardware and software were 0.51 million units and 4.39 units respectively mainly due to a lack of other hit titles this quarter. Net sales as a result were 74.6 billion yen (of which overseas sales were 58.0 billion yen or 77.7% of the total sales), and gross profit was 32.5 billion yen. The operating loss was 9.4 billion yen because total selling, general and administrative expenses including fixed expenses exceeded gross profit. Ordinary loss was 9.9 billion yen and net loss was 9.9 billion yen.

As the above states, Mario Kart 8 sold 2.82 million copies, though Nintendo acknowledged that Wii U sales struggled "due to a lack of other hit titles this quarter". On 3DS, Kirby: Triple Deluxe and Tomodachi Life were described as gaining "wide popularity" in North America and Europe.

Below are the overall hardware and software figures for Q1.


Wii U

Hardware Sales (Q1) — 510,000 units
Hardware Sales (life to date) — 6.68 million units
Hardware Sales Projection (2014 to 2015) — 3.6 million units
Software Sales (Q1) — 4.39 million units
Software Sales Projection (2014 to 2015) — 20 million units

3DS

Hardware Sales (Q1) — 820,000 units
Hardware Sales (life to date) — 44.14 million units
Hardware Sales Projection (2014 to 2015) — 12 million units
Software Sales (Q1) — 8.57 million units
Software Sales Projection (2014 to 2015) — 67 million units

Wii

Hardware Sales (Q1) — 90,000 units
Hardware Sales (life to date) — 101.15 million units
Hardware Sales Projection (2014 to 2015) — 500,000 units
Software Sales (Q1) — 1.6 million units
Software Sales Projection (2014 to 2015) — 9 million units

DS figures are no longer provided.


While the Q1 results naturally only tell a small part of the picture, there's no overall positive spin on the overall results. Mario Kart 8 sales are certainly a plus, yet losses of over $90 million are a little worrying in a year when Nintendo is eager to return to profit. A lot of key areas are down on last years Q1 in terms of results — which we'll cover a little later today — that show some poor momentum. That said, and as many that follow the company know, there are big plans and releases coming later this year in the Fall and Holiday season; these results simply emphasize the importance of this upcoming period.

Let us know what you think of these results in the comments below.

[via nintendo.co.jp]

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User Comments (78)

shaneoh

#1

shaneoh said:

Such an excellent console with an innovative controller that not enough people own. Hope SSB can push 750k +

AdanVC

#2

AdanVC said:

Excellent numbers for MK8. Overall results are really bad tough... It all comes to what Nintendo is going to do this holiday with Smash Bros for 3ds/Wii U... The future of Nintendo is literally in your hands, Sakurai.

JC10101

#3

JC10101 said:

I didn't think there losses would be so much. But with the lack of games it doesn't surprise me...

Peach64

#4

Peach64 said:

MK8 kind of shows most hardcore Nintendo fans have a Wii U. Crazy software numbers, but the hardware figure is awful. It probably means Smash will be the same story, although you have the Christmas effect around the same time so obviously HW sales will be higher due to that.

More worrying at this stage is the huge drop off in 3DS sakes worldwide. Makes me think we'll be seeing another revision soon. Nintendo knows a lot of people will buy it again if they make a new model. It's probably about a year too soon to revealing the successor, but they have to do something. Probably a design of the smaller model.

Iggly

#5

Iggly said:

By the looks of it, 2015 will be a great year for both 3DS and Wii U. Also it's interesting that they know the problem for the Wii U is lack of retail games since the digital store has quite a lot of decent games. They'll just need a better account system so more people can try out the eshop. As for the 3DS, the amount of games wasn't bad, but would it kill them to do some marketing? It should be looking great for the upcoming months since there will be quite a lot of games coming for 3DS and Wii U, both retail and digitally. [Mostly digitally]

ThomasBW84Admin

#6

ThomasBW84 said:

@Peach64 Indeed, I'll be breaking down some trends (like 3DS dipping) in an editorial later. That did strike me as a potential issue, for sure.

Grumblevolcano

#7

Grumblevolcano said:

Q1 is 1st April-30th June right? If so, I'm really not surprised since over half of that time has been part of a game drought period and I don't see things getting any better for Q2 as that is pretty much another game drought period.

Maybe Q3 is when we'll see progress as that's when the increase in games comes.

Emblem

#8

Emblem said:

No suprises then, Q3 is where Nintendo historically makes the bulk of its profit. Still shame MK8 didn't shift more hardware. Not surprised by the 3DS drop, tablets and phones have all but murdered the Vita so its surprising the 3DS is managing to pull such healthy (imo) overall numbers in the first place.

Jazzer94

#9

Jazzer94 said:

Well most of that time period had no notable releases so it isn't surprising Wii U fell flat, obviously it is moving some hardware but nowhere near to the amount needed especially if 3DS sales are decreasing (which is currently the device making them money). The way the release schedule has been done up to this point just won't work, they shouldn't be saving all their games for the August-November period as people won't buy any consoles before then.

I'm not sure if Mario Kart 8 will shift as much hardware later in the year, idk I just get the feeling Nintendo can't produce enough games by themselves at this point with those must have games taking so much tie to make they need third parties to pad out the year lineup.

Findonovan95

#10

Findonovan95 said:

If I were to combine the amount of games I own for the 3DS and Wii U it would probably be less than what I've owned for any single console ever.

Needless to say I will be very annoyed if they announce another console within the next few years.

However; there have been a lot of announcements lately for both consoles and more and more people have boarded the hype train (myself included) so things could seriously pick up over the next two years.

Edit:
Just for clarity; I own around ~60 games per console. 3DS and Wii U though would be somewhere around ~30.

Tsurii897

#11

Tsurii897 said:

Wouldn't surprise me if it looked like that next year again (for the Wii U). Smash is definitely not the uber-huge system seller everyone (including Nintendo themselves) seems to think it is although - as @Peach64 said- the Christmas/holyday season will push it more than if it released in late summer or fall.
And I can actually see people buying amiibos without knowing what they are, if Nintendo doesn't start ad ertising the heck outta those. And I doubt that'll help selling systems :|

ToniK

#12

ToniK said:

MK8 is obviously a success. On the other hand, it can't sell infinitely while there are only 7 million Wii Us out there. It really starts to seem there is quite limited demand for a console like Wii U. No need for doom 'n' gloom, it is a great console but it is what it is. Can't see Smash Bros. changing it at this point and that is quite frankly their last resort. MK8 only gave a moderate boost which lasted for 2 weeks and that was it.

Skyward Sword didn't sell that well so I don't think the mainstream audience is that interested in the next installment. It's just us. Metroid was never that big in the first place. Metroid Prime may be the best game ever made but the sales were humble. So even if they officially announced a new Metroid it wouldn't change a thing.

So, we have a great console with great games that is not selling and won't sell in the future. We'll deal with it. I can't wait for the new Zelda and Project Zero and whatnot!

Ralek85

#13

Ralek85 said:

I'm not surprised by the 3DS performance. So far I bought one game this year (Bravely Default), last year it was more like 20+. To be fair, I had a lot of catalogue titles to stock up on, since I only got my 3DS last year too. Still, there like 3-4 games coming out this year for 3DS I'm interested in, aside from Persona Q, nothing I'll definitely get though ... Actually this year around there are more games coming to the WiiU (still not that many there either) than to 3DS. I think despite Nintendo having a great E3 this year, this is worrying indeed.

The upside is, with the packed release schedule on the X1 and PS4, I wouldn't have had that much time to spent anyways, here is hoping to an amazing 2015 for Nintendo!

spizzamarozzi

#14

spizzamarozzi said:

Ages ago I predicted a drop in sales for general portable gaming this generation and I believe we're heading towards that. It's going to be impossible, for 3DS, to repeat the great sales of DS, which was helped a lot by piracy and by a lineup of softwares that went beyond the gaming world (literature books, cookbooks, music making tools, language learning softwares etc etc). Forty-four million units is a very good results anyway (I think most of the people with a strong interest in videogames got a 3DS by now...), but I don't see this number growing by 12 millions by the end of the year unless they don't start bringing the non-gamers in.

Crimzonlogic

#15

Crimzonlogic said:

It's hard to believe they are losing money when I look at all the great games and systems they have out. If I weren't broke all of the time, I'd buy more of their games. :(

Nimious

#17

Nimious said:

@Tsurii897 There was a time when Smash could actually out sell Mario Kart but that was in the golden days of Smash. Still you can expect Smash Bros Wii U will sell well. The only thing is it will not outsell is Mario Kart 8, that's something it cannot do yet must do to really continue Wii U's track to growth.

Now as for whether Smash Bros will sell consoles? Probably, it'll sell a lot of consoles and sustain the current rate easily. Personally I only bought into the Gamecube because it was packaged with Smash and I only bought the Wii because Smash was released. The game is capable of selling consoles that's for sure, the question is whether the game will be good enough to bring in the huge Smash community. These guys are still playing Melee and Project M simply because each Smash iteration has degraded in skill. If Sakurai delivers a legitimate game for the hardcore Smashers then we can expect to see some real numbers for awhile.

JimLad

#18

JimLad said:

Not enough games.
They need a steady flow of well marketed games on both systems.

Whether it's from them or third parties or second parties, that is what needs to happen then it's a matter of time.

Yoshis_VGM

#20

Yoshis_VGM said:

Still better than last summer for Wii U. Last summer they only sold 160,000 sales. 510,000 is still somewhat disappointing, but much better than last year.

Captain_Toad

#21

Captain_Toad said:

Heh, the wiiu and the e3 conference turned things around for nintendo perspective wise but 2014 seems a tad lacking in content. Maybe next year and hopefully smash bros'll be here this year to jumpstart the WiiU and 3ds hype train again. ;)

kobashi100

#22

kobashi100 said:

Fantastic sales for Mario kart 8 but it's existing customers.

The game has not sold the Wii U to new customers. We are definitely looking at 10 -12m Wii U sales in its lifetime. Anyone who thinks it will get anywhere near the gamecube even at 20m is living in a dream world.

3DS is also sinking like a Stone. Nintendo definitely need to look at releasing a new handheld in 2015.

unrandomsam

#23

unrandomsam said:

Mario Kart 8
Tropical Freeze
Captain Toad
Smash Bros

That would do for one month of a year. (Good amount of variety. Enough to carry one weak month).

Artwark

#25

Artwark said:

Come on man, You think even with MK8, they still can't make their profit huge again. 9.9 billion yen loss is like really scary.........does this mean Nintendo is getting bankrupt or something?!?!

Nintenjoe64

#26

Nintenjoe64 said:

I don't think Wii U is the problem. It stands a reasonable chance of meeting their meagre sales expectations and Mario Kart 8 and Christmas go together pretty well. I've never thought Smash was much of a system seller but it will give a similar hardware boost to MK8 and the two of them could clean up at Christmas if Nintendo don't completely neglect Wii U advertising.

The 3DS needs something major to reignite sales but I can't see that happening with their 2014 lineup.

sub12

#27

sub12 said:

The Wii U simply can't compete software wise with the XBO and PS4, the disparity in actual releases during Q3-Q4 of this year is huge......and unfortunately it won't be getting better. I also fear SSB will not be turning things around, given that MK8 has a superior mass appeal.

As far as the 3DS, 2014 looks kinda weak compared to 2013 software wise, and the 3DS is showing its age pretty fast IMO.

2Sang

#28

2Sang said:

It's gonna take a while for wii u to come back, but after e3 I have faith it will by the end of next year.

kobashi100

#29

kobashi100 said:

@2Sang can you please explain why you think that. If Mario kart cannot sell hardware, then what else can?

Too many fans forget that the gamecube had all the big titles and failed.

Wii U will be the same.

Darknyht

#30

Darknyht said:

I am sure that the promotions they ran took a toll on sales, but there is also the factor here in the States that most traditional stores have shrunk their displays to almost nothing. Which console are you going to buy little Johnny? The one that has a single display shelf or that one over there that has an entire row devoted to it?

MightyKrypto

#31

MightyKrypto said:

Sad times for Nintendo... well let's be honest here; they only got themselves to blame for these results

Yoshis_VGM

#32

Yoshis_VGM said:

@Artwark 90 million, not 9.9 billion. ;) And Nintendo is far from going bankrupt - they can ride out this generation and still be fine.

JaxonH

#33

JaxonH said:

@Findonovan95
Probably due to the lifespans. I own about 35 on Wii U and 30 on 3DS. By the time the generation ends, I'm expecting to have 60-75 per console, which is about right. I've got 6 PS4 games, about 30 Vita games and, well, no games for X1 yet.

Alot less games release on Nintendo, but a much higher percentage of those releases are worth buying, so it kind of evens out

Azooooz

#34

Azooooz said:

This Q1 Financial Results mean a good thing and a bad thing:

Good thing: Nintendo has started to wake up and realize that they have to work harder for the rest of the year. They mustn't rely on one title or two for each platform to get profit.

Bad thing: Realization time was too late. A title like Mario Kart 8 should have been released among the "Launch Window" titles. This year's E3 has played its role, though it wasn't enough for Nintendo to help recover its losses.

Overall: With the upcoming title line-up for Wii U, I would say that even though the Wii U may no sell as many as like Wii or even GameCube, it will be remember as the console which made the biggest comeback in the video games history.

AG_Awesome

#35

AG_Awesome said:

Someday nintendo's amazing hardware techs are going to release their first phone with buttons, multi touch screen, and a massive VC of all their classics. It will probably also have unique software for it as well.

Then nintendo's worries will be far behind. They'll capture casual and hardcore gamers with it.

audiobrainiac

#36

audiobrainiac said:

I urged my friend to buy a Wii U and he did. My son's getting one for Christmas. Once more hit titles arrive, this thing will really get cookin'. The Holidays will turn it around I believe.

MoonKnight7

#37

MoonKnight7 said:

There always seems to be a pendulum swing between Wii U and 3DS releases. Right now we're in that awkward transition from 3DS releases to Wii U releases. I know they're working hard, but I wish they could find some kind of balance in regards to this, cause those 3DS numbers are a little sad to look at.

Sakura

#39

Sakura said:

I don't know much about business, but the article does say that Nintendo expects a return to profit. Could that mean that investment has been made and products to be released are likely to make a return on that investment? Depends how much they are going to continue to invest in product development and how well sales actually perform.

The WiiU isn't a failing console, IMHO. It does what its does very well and is providing quality entertainment for many. It is, however, failing to have mass appeal in the marketplace, according to sales figures. Is there a business model that could work for Nintendo where they create for their hardcore fanbase staying true to their ideals and still remain a viable and vibrant company? Why not? What's wrong with a niche market? Does it necessarily mean lower profits and lower quality products? Certainly not the latter, for me at least. Whether Nintendo can generate profit without major mass appeal will be answered only in hindsight. Lots of things coming out though - Zelda, Amiibo, SSB, Splatoon, more Pokemon etc. May not appeal to everyone, but does it have to? And how big a role is negative press playing in all this? Stores in UK have also massively shrunk their displays. Is that because the press is saying what they think will sell? Always skeptical, I don't like to be told what I should and shouldn't like. There is no should and shouldn't...

Another 3DS promotion would be nice, btw. Streetpass day with exclusive content via spotpass (special mii, pokemon, whatever)? Pre-order bonus merchandise like that Zelda musical chest?

joey302

#41

joey302 said:

Perhaps if they muster out more than 1 major retail release per quarter the wii u sales situation could improve? It puzzles me how as big a company as they are that they can't seem to step up their output either retail or eshop/vc!

Birthday_Boy

#42

Birthday_Boy said:

It doesn't help that they're in the midst of developing another system. Hopefully Nintendo knows what they're doing with QOL, otherwise its just going to be doom and gloom all the more for the next couple years.

AJ_Lethal

#43

AJ_Lethal said:

Given MK8 was out just 1 month in Q1, half a million Wii Us sold says there was a significant boost.

The question is: will that boost be constant through Q2? Only time will tell.

Mega719

#44

Mega719 said:

Wii U had since 2012 how can there be no "hit titles" I'm happy Mario Kart 8 is doing well but people are treating it like the only worthwhile Wii U game

Prizm

#45

Prizm said:

Games games games. Nintendo alienates third parties, then fails to hire enough internal developers to fill that hole.

shigulicious

#47

shigulicious said:

I thought MK8 would have sold more consoles. There are so many great games, currently and upcoming, for the WiiU. Once the MK8 promotion ends at the end of the month, I predict a $50 price cut on the console. Something dramatic must be done. I wonder if a remodel of the system is not in the works due to the grim forecasts. A larger HDD and a couple more color schemes would generate some interests, IMO. Anyway, I love my WiiU.

shigulicious

#48

shigulicious said:

@joey302 yeah, the VC should be loaded with games by now. Where are the Gamecube games? So much potential for an incredible VC line-up.

BertoFlyingFox

#50

BertoFlyingFox said:

I love playing WiiU (especially co-op), but it's clearly going to be a struggling console. "The next big game" wont pull them out of this, they could just hope for a good library on a system that transitioned them to HD.

The 3DS is in a bit of a slump but still an incredibly strong handheld that seems like it has a long life ahead of it. The library has already been great so it can only get better from here. I'd personally like to see a 2DS XL kind of deal with two analog sticks.

@shigulicious A remodel with different color schemes would be interesting. I dont think it would happen, but at the same time it could bring a re-branding and catch peoples attention. Reminds me of the iMac, which kinda put Apple back on the map while giving them time to work on something bigger and better...sounds like something Nintendo could play to their strengths. Then again I dont know junk about their finances so it probably isnt even a possibility.

whodatninja

#51

whodatninja said:

@shaneoh Smash is already out for 3DS (the most popular of the two) by the time it comes to Wii U. Will most people care by then? I hope so, but Nintendo messed up in this regard.

rjejr

#52

rjejr said:

@ThomasBW84 -"The financial figures, first of all, show that Nintendo has had a tough summer — between 1st April and 30th June;"

If Apr 1 to June 30 is summer does that mean Q2 July 1 - Sept 30 is fall? Nintendo really does have a weird calendar.

Cant belive MK8 only pushed 1/2 mil Wii U, thats not good. I thought Wii U would be closer to 8mil by now, but its still only 6, not even 7. Better be a big retail marketing push this holiday, and SSB BETTER BETTER BEST be out before Chirstmas. Capt Toad has really gotten to me but its not a system seller by any means. A marketing push of HW and B2 could move some systems but they need to be marketed w/ big "Only on Wii U" ads showing both games. Once B2 finally gets a date of course.

ThomasBW84Admin

#53

ThomasBW84 said:

@rjejr May and June have felt like Summer where I am (also painfully short on releases), so that filtered through in that sentence, I guess; it was largely Spring in reality, yes. Still, thanks for quibbling over such a small matter in the context of the whole article.

Hero-of-WiiU

#54

Hero-of-WiiU said:

Of course they lost money. The gold mine (3ds) was not focused on much this year and instead was put on Wii U, and that really needed to happen. 2015 looks exactly the same case for the two systems with much focus on Wii U.

XFsWorld

#55

XFsWorld said:

@2Sang yeah-yeah. We thought the WiiU would make a come back by the end of the 2014. WiiU will struggle to get 15 million units sold lifetime.

bizcuthammer

#56

bizcuthammer said:

When you only have one major game release on your home console in a span of 4 months, 500,000 units moved is really about as much as you can hope for, regardless of how good said game is. The lack of meaningful third party games is hurting Wii U, as is the fact that Nintendo is STILL focusing its support on 3DS over its struggling home console.

It bothers me because late last year, Reggie commented on how last year's WiiU sales were affected by the game drought the console experienced for several months after launch, which led to a loss in momentum. He went on to say that that same thing wouldnt be an issue for them in 2014, as they will now be able to put games out at a much more consistent rate. Um... What?

Reggie, 2014 at the end of July has seen just two major Wii U games release: Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze and Mario Kart 8. Guess what? Thats the same amount as last year, when we just had Game & Wario and Pikmin 3. Sounds like he was just blowing smoke then.

Not to mention that the WiiU is seeing less first party releases in 2014 than it did in 2013, and it would seem as if Reggie just flat out lied. Look, Ninty, if you aren't going to create a console that third parties will develop for, it means YOU have to churn out new games at a much quicker pace. Or else your system loses momentum when it goes through ridiculous droughts like Wii U did from February 22 to May 29, and is currently experiencing again until Hyrule Warriors hits in late September. You can't expect a console that only sees one new release every 3-4 months to sell.

MoonKnight7

#57

MoonKnight7 said:

@bizcuthammer

You are right entirely, however I will say it is part of Reggie's job to always put a positive spin on everything (or as you said, "lie"). Always take what they say with a very large grain of salt.

ikki5

#59

ikki5 said:

They should expect this, the console is almost 4 years old now. What is even more interesting is the fact that the 3DS is the best selling console world wide right now.

The Wii U on the other hand... how they are handling it is just atrocious. Management need to be cut and new people need to come in. Sorry but Reggie and Iwata plus a few others....as much as I like they, they are doing a bad job that will sent the company to the grave if they keep doing what they are doing.

Noonch

#60

Noonch said:

Everyone knows who to blame here. It's fun and disappointing to watch it all burn. Nintendo claimed 2014 was going to be their year but I think it's worse than last year. There are literally no games coming out that have me excited (not Smash/Hyrule/Bayonetta). My most anticipated game this year was Shovel Knight. I only bought MK8 so I could get Pikmin 3. My 3DS has been for eshop games only this year. E3 was a fun distraction but really just a way of saying "we have nothing right now but maybe in the future..." I feel better.

OorWullie

#61

OorWullie said:

@PleaseUnderstan I think the report is actually meaning Mario Maker.If it was a track editor being added to Kart I don't think it would be described as a new title and as a "Mario racing game that lets users make their own courses".I'm not sure about those inaccuracies you mention,I just woke up so comparing numbers are beyond me ;)

rjejr

#62

rjejr said:

@ThomasBW84 - "Still, thanks for quibbling such a small matter in the context of the whole article."

Oh, come on, you know thats what I do :-) And it's not my fault, Nitnneod started it w/ its "SSB will release in winter 2014" after winter 2014 had already passed, and that's not just me, so says the Winter 2014 Olympics.

Look on the bright side - the whole rest of your article was so good, as always, that's all i had to quibble about ;-) And yeah, I know about your never ending heatwave, I figured that had something to do w/ it. I live in NY and haven't hit 90, 87 was our hi 1 day, it's been an oddly cool dry summer. I'm pretty sure you'ld like it. :-)

bouncer0304

#63

bouncer0304 said:

Nice to see Mario Kart do so well and when Christmas comes it'll peak once again. I also think the free game helped quite a bit though. But apart from Smash Bros, Bayonetta 2 and Hyrule Warriors, what else is there retail wise for the Wii U? Zero as far as i can see. NO company can survive like that. Captain Toad being pushed back to will hurt sales as that would have easily appealed to othefs. January is an extremely tight month so pushing it back will sadly hurt sales. Those three games appeal to the "hardcore" and Nintendo fans, but for the average Joe there's nothing of interest.
Next year the Wii U should finally get going, but to repeat the same mistake of the 3ds and take nearly 2 1/2 years to get it going is terrible. What could happen is that people have so much choice games could lose sales. Great to have that choice but bad for the developers.
3ds is looking like it'll be the leading force this year with Smash bros, Theatrhythm, Fantasy life and Disney magical worlds. Four different games that will target four different groups. I want all those but the last two may have to wait as i want Smash and theatrhythm first.
amiibo will definately help but they need to clearly explain to parents that unlike Skylanders/Infinity, they can be used in multiple games and are optional extras only. Make it so it's seen as good value for money! This will be crucial to show that difference as some parents by now have had enough and won't spend any more on these figures.
I'm happy with my Wii U and my 3ds is pretty much sorted until the end of the year but i hope things will pick up for Nintendo despite them being the reason why they've lost so much money!

Hy8ogen

#64

Hy8ogen said:

It's just Q1 people chill your butt cheeks. There are still another 3 quarters to go. If Nintendo is still posting a lost on Q3, then yeah, that's pretty much it for Nintendo. (For 2014 anyways)

PokeTune

#65

PokeTune said:

Not surprised by these numbers but I'm more surprised that anybody thinks the sales for this miserable console will be getting better anytime soon.

Hy8ogen

#66

Hy8ogen said:

@PokeTune I'm sorry, but I think 160k vs 510k can be well defined as "getting better". That's almost 320% more than last years Q1. I think Nintendo or some folks on here are probably being too optimistic. However I do agree Nintendo still posting a lost is a bit sad.

PokeTune

#67

PokeTune said:

@Hy8ogen fOf course its sad to see Nintendo in such a pitiful state but the truth of the matter is that some people need to face reality that the situation isn't going to improve tremendously. There's just no way Wii U at this point can compete with XB1/PS4 and actually make out on top or even in 2nd. It'll be dead last.

Hy8ogen

#68

Hy8ogen said:

@PokeTune Nintendo's current situation is by no means "pitiful" compared to Sony. As for the console race (which I hardly give a damn about), you can only predict but only time will tell. Ever heard of the "Tortoise and the Hare" story? The PS4 could come in last place, you'll never know what'll happen in the future.

All 3 systems have big titles coming soon, it'll be interesting to see how they fare.

IceClimbers

#69

IceClimbers said:

Wii U's problem was the lack of retail games outside of Mario Kart. One game isn't enough, I don't care what game it is. Only Pokemon has ever been able to be enough on a consistent basis for Nintendo. People need to realize that a constant stream of games is what will sell the system, not one "system seller". Thankfully the droughts for the Wii U should be over with once Hyrule Warriors comes out. Hopefully a snowball effect happens, as the Wii U has a very promising lineup next year.

The 3DS is more worrying in my opinion. It's biggest system seller over the holidays is a Pokemon remake, though Smash and the other games will help.

With Nintendo focusing on the Wii U (as evident by E3), I have a bad feeling that the 2015 lineup for the 3DS will be pathetic. Code Name STEAM is a new IP that met with a largely negative initial perception because of how it was introduced, so it won't make an impact. The 3DS needs something major to reignite sales. I think we might be seeing a price drop for the 3DS soon, as its the only thing that I can see coming to help system sales for 2015.

Overall, I think Nintendo will take a 4th year of losses regardless of what they do. Don't advertise and you don't sell systems and software, causing you to lose money. To sell systems and software you need to pump a ton of money into advertising and game development, and they'll have to do it to the point that the costs end up outweighing any profits made from system and software sales.

Honestly, this whole generation has been a mess for Nintendo, which they caused by screwing up the 3DS launch. The 3 years of losses, the barrage of 3DS games in 2013, the delays and droughts for Wii U games, 3rd party support dropping like flies, Nintendo's focus pendulum swinging between the two systems, the Wii Us horrible start, etc. Yeah, ALL of it was a chain reaction caused by Nintendo royally screwing up the 3DS launch.

shaneoh

#70

shaneoh said:

@whodatninja

People are still b%^&*ing on about how the gamecube controller is better to use than the wii remote/ classic/pro controller. I don't see the "hardcore" smash fans settling for the 3ds controls.

kobashi100

#72

kobashi100 said:

@Hy8ogen your just refusing to accept the reality of the situation. Tell us all which Wii U software is gonna increase the hardware sales.

Hy8ogen

#73

Hy8ogen said:

@kobashi100 Reality of what situation exactly? Your own insight and emotional thoughts are not facts, so stop treating like they are. Until the games come out and the sales numbers are published, we have no concrete proof about anything. The games may increase the hardware sales and they might not. Time will tell.

I still vaguely remember there was a so called "gaming analysts" whom predicted Mario Kart 8 will only sell 2 million units at March 2015. Guess what? That guy just made a complete joke out of himself.

AshFoxX

#74

AshFoxX said:

Poor old Nintendo just can't catch a break. It's hard to believe how overwhelmingly successful Nintendo was in it's heyday compared to the slow but steady losses they have amassed since moving on from the Wii.

After all, the NES accounted for over 85 percent of the market share in NA and JP.

kobashi100

#75

kobashi100 said:

@Hy8ogen you really have no understanding about the gaming industry.

Just think about this for a minute. If mario kart 8 cannot sell enough Wii U consles in Q1, how the hell do you yhink Q2, Q3, Q4 will be better.

look at the software being released. Q2 has nothing so there is no doubt at all the the hardware sales will be down. How are they going to increase when there is no new games to buy?

please explain that one?

Q3 and Q4 has releases but none with the power of mario kart. Just exactly how do you expect them to shift hardware units. Again if you do, please explain how?

Birthday_Boy

#76

Birthday_Boy said:

@SetupDisk I hate when people bring up Sony and Microsoft in discussions like this, thinking that comparing them makes Nintendo look like they're in a brighter situation...

SetupDisk

#77

SetupDisk said:

@Kyloctopus
I was just wondering if you knew the reality of the video game business when you made that first comment since all video game companies have done that since Atari. It didn't make much sense.

Birthday_Boy

#78

Birthday_Boy said:

@SetupDisk There's a difference between making a new console and making a new platform though.
A new platform requires grabbing a new audience, it requires alot of new resources (especially if you're going to compare to the Atari days) and it requires a unique dev team. It might also mean acquiring a new company.
We do know Nintendo did acquired a mysterious company for $100 Million that might be related to QOL, and if so, that alone can set apart the difference between a new platform and a new console.

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