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Talking Point: Mii, Myself and I - The Arguments For and Against Miis in Super Smash Bros.

Posted by Marc Zablotny

Are you talking to Mii?

Well, would you look at that, you're finally in Super Smash Bros., we're finally in Smash Bros. and — if you set your mind to it — Barack Obama is finally in Smash Bros.. In what many considered to be an inevitable announcement, Nintendo unveiled the Mii Fighter as a new combatant in the latest instalment of its all-star brawler, alongside Kid Icarus' Palutena and Bandai Namco's Pac-Man. Although by the look of their official artwork, the Miis don't exactly seem thrilled to have made the cut.

Their reveal trailer was undoubtedly one of the highlights of Nintendo's E3 events. Never in our wildest dreams did we ever expect to see Reggie Fils-Aime and Satoru Iwata duke it out in an outrageous anime-style battle as part of an official Nintendo video. Not only that, but there's nothing quite like seeing the likes of Ice-T and Elijah Wood getting pseudo-official newcomer banners.

The Smash Bros. incarnation of the Miis has actually turned out to be rather intriguing. As one might expect they're customisable, but to the extent no one had really anticipated. They come in three varieties: the Mii Brawler, Mii Gunner and Mii Swordfighter, with their respective fighting styles being rather self explanatory. Each type has 12 different special moves which can be applied in different combinations, meaning our ingenious "Medieval John Locke from Lost" Mii Swordfighter could potentially play very differently to your Swordfighter based on one of the many ill-fated Game of Thrones characters. On top of that, Sakurai-san has teased a number of different outfits, including an American Football kit and a Tron-like jumpsuit. Nintendo appears to have gone all out.

Though the Miis are a far cry from the Wii Sports-based fighter we were expecting and their inclusion allows us to host countless celebrity deathmatches, there are some people out there who feared the prospect of the Mii Fighter and remain unhappy now that it's become a reality. Some have even gone on to claim that the Mii Fighters are the bane of the new Super Smash Bros. games, but why?

Firstly, Super Smash Bros. for Wii U and 3DS already has Animal Crossing's Villager as a playable character. Villager and Miis are similar in that they both exist as avatars of the player — though the former isn't particularly customisable in appearance — so it arguably seems a little unnecessary to include two characters that serve that same design purpose. Surely the moveset and appearance customisation features applied to the Mii Fighter could have been reserved for Villager instead? Granted, we may have lost the ability to put our Mii selves and other comical celebrity/character designs into the game, but this way a lot of the customisation elements could remain and the Mii's place on the roster could have been freed up for not only one other Nintendo character — but possibly three — given how we've been led to believe each variation of the Mii Fighter is treated as a standalone character (this would be consistent with the game's treatment of previously combined characters such as Zelda and Sheik, who now have their own slots on the roster). Of course we can't say for sure that three Miis equate to three other Nintendo characters, but it may not be wrong to suggest a sizeable number of Smash Bros. fans out there would be willing to trade three Miis for just one other classic Nintendo character in a heartbeat.

The fact that each Mii Fighter has 12 different special moves sounds impressive at first, but when you start to dig a little deeper into it you might find yourself to be a little underwhelmed. From what we have seen so far, the moves the Miis possess are either heavily derived from other characters (for example, Mii Gunner appears to have Samus' charge shot and Mega Man's blaster attack) or profoundly generic. For a series that prides itself on the imaginative movesets it can create for such a huge variety of characters, it looks as if our virtual doppelgangers could be rather uninspired additions. It's a little bit of a sore point when you consider the possibility that the effort gone into creating all these different moves for the Mii Fighter could have been channelled into different newcomers.

Finally, it has also come to light that Mii Fighters cannot be used online 'against anyone'. The official reason for this is because of the potential for "bullying", which in reality probably means Nintendo isn't comfortable with the prospect of excessive 'Hitler vs. random opponent' matches being seen — just consider some of the weird and potentially offensive appearances of such Mii characters through the integration in Wii Sports Resort, which brought characters in from the Contest Channel unless you turned it off.

This online ban is problematic for both casual and competitive Smash Bros. players, though. For casual players, it means they can't show off their hilarious creations to the world, or see anyone else's. UK folks, want your Queen Elizabeth II Mii to beat the senses out of a Canadian's crudely made Justin Bieber Mii? Unless you know someone in Canada, that just isn't going to happen. It's a shame, given how appearance is the Mii's key feature. For competitive players, it essentially voids Mii Fighter as a viable fighter as they won't be able to hone their skills with the character beyond the 'with friends' or offline modes. Why would they invest the time in designing and perfecting a custom moveset when they can't test it on the world's supply of Smash Bros. players?

All in all, it can't be denied that the inclusion of Mii Fighters has polarised the Smash Bros. fanbase somewhat, though for those negatives there's certainly the perspective that it's ultimately a fun, charming inclusion. Nintendo has given us a great opportunity to play as ourselves and have definitely put in a lot of effort into making them stand out, of course, but there are certain aspects and wider implications to these three fighters that haven't sat well with some fans.


Where do you stand on the debate? Do you think claims that the Mii Fighters are the bane of SSB4 are hyperbole, or is there credibility to it?

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BigH88

#1

BigH88 said:

As long as they can't be used online I'm fine with Mii's being in.

Dsevan

#2

Dsevan said:

It was included in Mario Kart and I've seen Hitlers in Mario Kart so why not Smash?

Blast

#3

Blast said:

Miis are fine.... I hope people don't abuse them but still... they are fine.

SuperMinusWorld

#4

SuperMinusWorld said:

They're actually done much better than I was anticipating, so I'm actually a little excited about them. The amount of customization is staggering and the ability to choose a class is fantastic.

Shiny_Sentret

#5

Shiny_Sentret said:

I think that it is smart that Mii's aren't allowed to play online.
First of all, people could, of course, make offensive Mii's like Hitler or etc.
Secondly, don't deny it, it would literally be all anyone (just doing a quick casual match) would use- most likely. In Mario Kart 7, I have found myself playing Mii vs Seven other Miis. Despite all of this, I still think that I will use the crap out of them. Customize to 100% spam and troll moves.

Azooooz

#9

Azooooz said:

I like how Miis battle. Sakurai did a great job converting them from casual looking Miis to competitive ones. I don't know why it's not allowed to use Miis with "With Anyone" mode, but at least they are playable in "With Friends" online mode.

Phantom_R

#11

Phantom_R said:

My argument? Miis are a key part of Nintendo's history and an invaluable aspect of their modern image. That's why they deserve a part in Smash Bros.

And if you don't like them, don't use them. Same as you've done with every other Smash game: I really doubt there's ever been anyone who's loved every character of every Smash game.

MAN1AC

#12

MAN1AC said:

I have no interest in using Miis but i have no problem with them being in the game.

LavaTwilight

#13

LavaTwilight said:

We don't know if the inclusion of the Mii Fighters meant that someone else had to hit the cutting floor. Unless we hear Sakurai-san say it, we're never going to know and it's just speculation. I'm not totally against it but I don't see how I'm ever going to use them. That said, there's certain characters from both Melee (Pichu, Young Link, Zelda) and Brawl (Wario, Toon Link, Zelda) that I never play with except where they're necessary to unlock a trophy. Then I do it on the easiest setting and never pick them up again. I'm sure people can do the same for the Miis, as I'm likely to.

Maybe the Mii-fighters could've been free DLC for those who choose to have them and those who don't, negating the space that could be used on other characters, but again, we don't know if the space they filled up wouldn't have otherwise been used for another means. IE, to have Mario run right and left at the start and some orchestra chime "Nin-ten-do" do we?

dinosauryoshi

#14

dinosauryoshi said:

I'm unlikely to use the Miis very much but I'm cool with them being in the game and am glad they've put in a lot of effort to make them interesting!

Frapp

#15

Frapp said:

I would've thought the legal ramifications of using likenesses of real, living people smacking each other up would be some concern.
Regardless, I love Miis. I think they're one of Nintendo's best ideas. Where else but on a Nintendo can you play table tennis with The Beatles, shoot Metroids with Captain Kirk, or punch Tony Blair in the head?

Williaint

#16

Williaint said:

It actually will be fun to fight as Mii, or against another...

"From what we have seen so far, the moves the Miis possess are either heavily derived from other characters (for example, Mii Gunner appears to have Samus' charge shot and Mega Man's blaster attack) or profoundly generic."

Miis are generic, so having a generic move set fits them fine.

If you don't want to fight as them, then DON'T ( Like I won't fight as a Pac-Man with legs.). However, the option is there... and there are probably more people who would complain if it wasn't.

Giygas_95

#17

Giygas_95 said:

They aren't allowed online against anyone so it's fine with me. On the other hand, it seems like they could give you the choice to play online with or without Miis. I doubt I'll use Miis much myself, but playing as the Joker might be fun!

@Kaine_Morrison Thumbs up.

Shiny_Sentret

#18

Shiny_Sentret said:

Best part of Mii's in Smash is that most of the most wanted characters can be made miis. Goku, Mewtwo, Waluigi, etc.

BakaKnight

#19

BakaKnight said:

Mii fighters are a nice additions, can't wait to fight personally against the heroes of my childhood or ally with them for defeat their nemesis ^o^

Plus after Tomodachi Life I got very attached to some of my Miis, it will be great to have them joining the fight too :)

NintyMan

#20

NintyMan said:

"Although by the look of their official artwork, the Miis don't exactly seem thrilled to have made the cut."

Palutena doesn't look exactly thrilled to join the battle in her official artwork...

Joking aside, I believe Miis are a great and fun addition, and they are a huge part of Nintendo whether you like it or not, so them being represented in the roster makes sense. I agree that Miis should'n't be played online with strangers not just because of getting stuck fighting offensive or annoying Miis, but also because a lot of kids and trolls would use them all the time and you wouldn't be fighting most other Nintendo characters. However, now that I think about it, I think it would've been fine if they restricted it to where you could only play your own Mii online with strangers. After all, online you are represented by your Nintendo Network ID by your own Mii.

ohhaime

#23

ohhaime said:

I'm guessing there will be generic Miis to use online. Just like how you can't use any other customized characters online. I can't imagine them making characters you can't use online at all.

unrandomsam

#24

unrandomsam said:

I don't think they fit in very well in all the games that they support. (And using one usually involves loads of extra hassle or grinding depending on the game).

DiscoGentleman

#25

DiscoGentleman said:

I'm really excited about Miis in Smash. Smart move. And seems really well done. Can't wait to be a brawler and Chun-Li the hell out of my friends' faces.

gamerphil07

#26

gamerphil07 said:

Is this for real? Who wouldn't play as themselves! I'm super pumped to punch every Nintendo character in the face!

coolaggro

#27

coolaggro said:

The Bullying argument is beyond weak... Sad that they don't have them in online play. Just a stupid thing to do for no clear reason. It brings back terrible memories of tripping in Brawl........

Stomatopod17

#28

Stomatopod17 said:

If they're three seperate characters for each class than that is such a waste.. I would've rather had miis fully customizable.. like you can give the mii any moves in the game rather than limit them to just a set amount of moves like other characters.. That atleast would give them a niche of having any move combo possible along with appearence making them special in some way. Now they're just plain regular characters who probably would be disabled if there was a random character selection option (we seriously need that..)

Why would I ever want to use these? Just because they look different? I think I'd rather play as mario than a customize mario with possibly worser moves... or better yet I'd rather play as three different characters who should've been in brawl or this game instead.. I always like the idea of them adding a mii into smash brothers.. but they did a horrible.. HORRIBLE job when we actually got what we asked for.

You had one job.. one job.. instead you turned it into three and messed up on every one of them..

Ah well.. we don't even know what it's like to play as them.. maybe they're not THAT bad gameplay wise.

Reguarding them not being playable online, that was a little too overprotective IMO.. but then again what kid wants their parents to walk past seeing them fighting hitler with a ninja frog.

Kosmo

#29

Kosmo said:

I thought Miis could be used online, but not "personal" Miis. Generic Face Mii could very well be usable.

absuplendous

#30

absuplendous said:

"Villager and Miis are similar in that they both exist as avatars of the player."

I almost stopped reading right there. If that's an argument against Miis, then it should also be an argument against Link, Pokemon Trainer, or any other silent protagonist with minimal personality. Game characters are quite often intended to be avatars for the player--it's hardly the exclusive province of the villager.

That "the Mii's place on the roster could have been freed up for [... an]other Nintendo character" is argument you can use against any Smash character you don't like or want. I could argue Palutena cost Captain Syrup her spot, for example. When that rationale applies to everyone, it applies to no one--that is, it's not a compelling point against the Miis.

If Miis are banned from "Vs. Anyone" play because of the potential abuse of Mii faces, that alone doesn't satisfy me. You can easily circumvent that by only allowing stock/generic faces in Vs. Anyone mode (and if those "generic" faces happen to resemble Sakurai, Miyamoto, Iwata, etc....). I'd take that over excluding an entire character. If it's a question of balance (regarding the customization), maybe they should try to balance the character before putting it in at all.

Chouzetsu

#31

Chouzetsu said:

@Kosmo I agree, generic-face Mii seems like a logical choice if the only problem is the user-generated faces. Why take out an entire character when there is a simple and obvious solution? It makes no sense.

Nintendo_Ninja

#33

Nintendo_Ninja said:

@Stomatopod17 giving Miis any power they want would practically take the competitive element out of the game. You would have ridiculously strong characters due to this.

MetaRyan

#34

MetaRyan said:

"As one might expect they're customisable, but to the extent no one had really anticipated"
Yeah, about that...

Grumblevolcano

#36

Grumblevolcano said:

I really don't like Miis as playable characters (hence why I only used it in MK8 once to unlock a stamp), the reason why you don't see them often online in MK8 is to do with the unlock requirement (win a random number of distinct GPs between 1 and 14).

Yosher

#37

Yosher said:

The only reason I was against Miis in Smash really was because of all those random Hitlers and whatnot you would run into. Not only is this annoying, but I think it's very offensive too. It's bad enough that they are so common in Mario Kart, but Smash would probably take it to the next level, AND you'd HAVE to look at it pretty much all the time. It's just.. ugh.

Emblem

#39

Emblem said:

This is such a non issue, i'm glad Mii's are in it and i think removing them from online play is also a good idea after the mii's i've seen some people make.

FJOJR

#41

FJOJR said:

The Miis are generic characters. In every game they are included in besides the Wii series they take on characteristics of the most balanced/average character.

Darknyht

#43

Darknyht said:

Don't get this. Mii Fighter is a character and should be available online, even if it is only the six "generic" Miis they offer guests when playing any Mii enabled game.

I also don't care if I only race against other Mii's in Mario Kart, nor really what they look like. I am more worried about finishing the race. The only annoying part was that my being tall somehow made me heavy.

What I do not see is how random matches with completely random people would result in bullying? I cannot seek a match with someone once I leave and nothing prevents someone from finding another match. Unless Nintendo foresees a small community.

FilmerNgameR

#44

FilmerNgameR said:

You guys should have added a poll. Miis are fine because I have bunch of funky looking miis that would be hilarious to battle with! XD

Randomname19

#45

Randomname19 said:

As I said in a previous article,I can't wait to play as myself and have a friendly fight against my favorite characters.

sleepinglion

#46

sleepinglion said:

This is a super cool inclusion and those against it a) don't have to use it and b) won't have to worry about Miis popping up online. It's a win-win.

ikki5

#48

ikki5 said:

honestly, I think it is dumb how you cannot use your miis online. You can use them in MK8, you have a pile of them run in on your Wii U menu, you can freely share them around the globe but for some reason, they think you will get offended by the random chance of having 3 miis come and fight against you? and yet the likelihood of 3 miis against you is also not 100%... so really, this is absurd. I'd personally rather they don't include them at all then have them banned from online. Anyone who is against this should never have their systems online, never buy or even play MK8 otherwise they are nothing but hypocrites that claim they don't support something but plays something that does it.

MrWalkieTalkie

#49

MrWalkieTalkie said:

Miis work very well for Smash. They're in practically every other multiplayer Nintendo game, so why not? And they've become the main characters to so many titles! Wii Sports, Wii Play, Wii Party, Wii Music, Streetpass games, Pilotwings Resort, Nintendo Land, Tomodachi Life, the list goes on!

And I especially appreciate the fact that they didn't just pick one moveset based on their games but instead made 3 unique fighting styles complete with customization in both the Mii's clothing and moves. It perfectly represents Miis and how diverse they come in with all their shapes and sizes.

But yeah, Miis should be online compatible. There's already a lot of rules for SSB4's online that'll get you banned, so why not just add inappropriate Miis to that?

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Kaze_Memaryu

#50

Kaze_Memaryu said:

In my point of view, Mii's are more of a customizer gimmick than full-fledged fighters in Smash. They only serve to entertain as a manifestation of one's imagination or dream to be a game protagonist. It creates a more direct connection to the player, but ultimately doesn't support it well

Wesbert

#52

Wesbert said:

I'm looking forward to playing/fighting Miis.
The "generic" or "derivative" nature of their attacks suggests they didn't want to waste too much time on fine-balancing them (as an entirely original move-set would have required them to do) and gives off the impression that they wanted to include the Miis as an added bonus, rather than a full replacement for a cut character.
As for the "bullying": I fear the ban has less to do with Mii-Hitlers (although they're certainly a problem) than it has to do with the Miis being of different colour. This isn't a competetive racing game like Mario Kart, but a brawler type of game where you beat each other up. Imagine the media-backlash if a kid with a coloured Mii gains the impression that other players (all controlling white Miis) gang up on him and keep beating him up (after all, there already have been articles about the lack of racial diversity in the Mushroom Kingdom). I can understand Nintendo's desire to play it safe there.

AltDotNerd

#53

AltDotNerd said:

The Miis should be given a generic or blank face tor online use. That way, no one will see Hitler, Bin Laden, Hussein, Beiber, Penisface, or anything else offensive; and people could still use Miis!

Turbo857

#54

Turbo857 said:

Can't imagine why this issue would be polarizing but you can never underestimate the high level of ignorance and sensitivity expressed within the internet's endless supply of forum commentators. I think Nintendo has already included its most popular characters that fans would want to play in a fighter. So, the inclusion of Miis is just the cherry on top and I think it's a very smart move imo.

I'd still like to see the likes of Micaiah and Black Knight but even if they never make it in, the new fighters that get added with each series iteration are always sensible and pretty solid additions.

k8sMum

#56

k8sMum said:

i know i am in the minority here, but i still find Miis creepy as hell. i just don't care for the basic art style of them.

ajcismo

#57

ajcismo said:

To me, the whole point of Mii's are to make gaming more interactive. Why make it a unique selling point with the Wii U if its not being used in what might be the biggest game of the holiday season? I would've been more shocked had Nintendo kept Mii out.

SleepyCrossing

#59

SleepyCrossing said:

Since they aren't usable online I'd have to say I don't see it as a huge deal. I don't know exactly how I feel about their inclusion. I would want to play around with them first. But I know I'm sticking to the more traditional characters. Besides, I'll be wreaking havoc with The Villager, who is absolutely going to be my main for a loooong time ;)

Austroid

#60

Austroid said:

I'm glad Mii's are being added.

Who wouldn't want to be themselves and battle alongside (or against) their favorite characters? Then there's the unlimited possibilities of "who else you could use or make a Mii of to fight with?"

Madmanonfire

#61

Madmanonfire said:

" For competitive players, it essentially voids Mii Fighter as a viable fighter as they won't be able to hone their skills with the character beyond the 'with friends' or offline modes. Why would they invest the time in designing and perfecting a custom moveset when they can't test it on the world's supply of Smash Bros. players?"

You're right! This has been a major problem for years! I mean, just look at Melee. That game had no online play and because of this, tournaments could never happen.... wait no, Melee is the go to Smash Bros game for competitive play. Maybe Brawl! It had poor online play and as such, people couldn't train for competitive play.... except they could, for all the tournaments that used Brawl.

This argument makes no sense. If a character can't be used for competitive play only because it can't be used online, how could ANY CHARACTER FROM PREVIOUS SMASH BROS. GAMES be used for competitive play?

Just thought I'd throw that in with the rest of the article's problems pointed out by absuplendous.

e105zeta

#62

e105zeta said:

I agree with the idea that Miis should be given blank faces or generic faces or masked faces so they can be played with online.

Kid_A

#63

Kid_A said:

Do we really need to argue for and against a completely optional character?
"We shouldn't have this thing that I don't have to use!"

Nik-Davies

#64

Nik-Davies said:

I wanted them and I'm pleased that they're in there. They also one of the coolest announcements in video game history :P Hahaha Iwata vs Reggie

I must say, with that fight, they missed PERFECT opportunities to make fun of themselves a bit more with those still action "Joins the fight" type shots.
"REGGIE is ready"
"IWATA understands"

c1pher_c0mplet

#65

c1pher_c0mplet said:

Generally, I'm against Nintendo's overly draconian policies especially when it comes to their lacking online infrastructure. But I'm totally cool with and applaud them for not allowing Miis to duke it out online; it makes sense. (Whoa, Nintendo made sense! Is hell freezing over? lol) I've had enough of that kinda junk from random StreetPass opponents in my Mario Kart 7 cartridge.

NintyMan

#66

NintyMan said:

Even as someone who has wanted Miis to be included since almost the beginning, Sakurai and his team are doing far more with them than I would imagine. I didn't think they would go that far with customization and establish three different classes of fighting, not counting the mix-and-match weapons of each of those classes. These Miis will be a lot of fun to play with, and it will also be a lot of fun seeing each of the Miiis in your collection fighting it out with Nintendo characters, as well as assigning fighting classes for each of them.

Sean_Aaron

#67

Sean_Aaron said:

Miis are fun full-stop. Shame they can't be used online, but who cares? I do think it's always a false economy assuming that work put into having Miis would have meant more characters from other games: I expect in reality that wouldn't have happened as it sounds like there's already a massive roster of fighters here. Hopefully people can accept that a lot of folk enjoy using Miis in games like Mario Kart and they can just have fun without worrying about what other people are doing.

TySoN_F

#68

TySoN_F said:

They definitely blow away what I was originally thinking of. I originally believed Mii's might've just been usable to emulate other characters (e.g. your mii would have Mario's moveset if you chose). I like the original way they're going about it, but it is true that if it were possible I'd rather have 3 Nintendo characters.

But still! I'm excited to see which playstyle is best suited for mii (all pun intended).

Frank90

#69

Frank90 said:

I hate. I want new amazing characters, not my avatar.
How about Shulk? Travis Touchdown? Dixie? Anyone from Fire Emblem? And even if they add those, there always a character to be added.

vonseux

#70

vonseux said:

I have a Albert Einstein Mii that looks awesome. But you wont be seeing it.

tripunktoj

#71

tripunktoj said:

I admit I love the idea to play as some of my 200+ Miis. Not the best use for a playable character spot in Smash Bros, but its much better than stuffing the roster with random pokémon ... cough Greninja, Lucario cough Charizard cough cough!

AkDeath

#72

AkDeath said:

Those pictures of mii's fighting are cringe-worthy, that just looks so lame.

ShadJV

#73

ShadJV said:

I was in the anti-Mii group... Simply becaus repeatedly fighting Hitler, Jesus, and a genetic alien. The gimmicks of Mii would be fun for all of five minutes and I don't care about fighting a Mii that looks like Jake from State Farm, I wanna fight classic Nintendo characters. Nintendo fixed my complaint by banning Miis from With Anyone matches though, so I'm fine with the current arrangement.

WanderingPB

#75

WanderingPB said:

Personally i dont care for Mii's in the game but im glad its out there as an OPTION for those that do want to use them.

Why get upset if u do face off with a Mii just pick Little Mac and…oh yeah that K.O. never felt better. Besides if u lose it just means u suck and have to train more. My 8 year old son and i played the SSB demo this past saturday and he destroyed 3 grown men including myself…sure they lost their pride but smash is fun and makes u want to get better

2Sang

#77

2Sang said:

I like the concept and think they have earned their keep in nintendo's history. Of course, I don't want any racist/sexual miis to play against (well honestly I'll probably laugh the first few times I see them, but they'll get very old very quick).

I'll probably never play as them, but a unique fighter from a underrepresented franchise and a character who has proven their worth definitely deserves a spot. ESPECIALLY over greninja.

eaglebob345

#79

eaglebob345 said:

@SkywardLink98 I'm sure you can (I only use my Mii) and I have never been out raced by Hitler...

Anyone who complains about the roster and the addition of Mii's is just selfish. Nintendo has and will always make games for the whole family to enjoy. That means that if kids (or non-childish adults) want to play as themselves with friends and family they should be able to.

@Frank90 That would end up with a never ending roster because the "fans" would keep complaining.

@B3ND3R I would play as Obama IF I could get his Mii to say "Yes Mii can" (as I pound someone's face in with brawler fists).

PlywoodStick

#80

PlywoodStick said:

There are a lot of fun opportunities with the use of Miis, like pitting Scooby Doo versus Batman, or Charlie Brown against a penguin... But isn't this supposed to be a gaming all-stars matchup? The data spent holding that code for the Miis could be used for at least 3 other character slots that aren't getting in...

As for Hitler, well... he's in SMT: Persona 2 as the last boss (literally!), so there's a precedent for him being in games... Taking Miis out of online play is censorship, plain and simple. There should be a toggle option to have your own matchmaking either include Mii's, or ban Miis.

TurboTEF

#82

TurboTEF said:

Good, now use the wasted space on the Miis in the next game (and MK9) to include more Nintendo characters so I don't have to see players poopoodoodoocacapooledoopley looking avatars in my online matches.

I love Miis for the games made for them and the various menu things but yeah, can't stand them in multiplayer games mingling with my favorite Nintendo characters.

Ryu_Niiyama

#84

Ryu_Niiyama said:

I'm glad miis are available...hopefully the requests for goku and shrek and other odd characters will stop now. For that same reason I'm glad they are banned from online. I don't want to see Hitler and any other offensive character someone with either the age or mindset of a child can come up with.

Link506

#85

Link506 said:

@Dsevan I see what you're saying, but smash is more of a direct contact game where as Mario Kart, it's more of a fun, family, racing game where, the objective isn't to beat the crap out of the other opponent, but get first place.

PlywoodStick

#86

PlywoodStick said:

@Link506 "Mario Kart, it's more of a fun, family, racing game where, the objective isn't to beat the crap out of the other opponent"

Coulda fooled me!

Dodger

#87

Dodger said:

In my opinion, mii deserves to be in Smash Bros. based on its own merits as a character. They have been involved in 3 of the best selling games of the last gen, the record setting Wii Sports, Wii Sports Resort and Mario Kart Wii. This alone justifies them without any other games.

I expect to have a lot of fun with the Mii Fighters. I am happy that they are in. But I still can find things to complain about. If they are going to be in the roster, there should be a way to play using them online. First of all, on the Wii U, a system where random miis run across your screen and deliver messages from their owners, and a system where Mario Kart 8 is playable online using miis, this is silly. If you would be offended by a Hitler mii in one game, the same is true of another. If a mii with a crude drawing for a face or of a famous dictator would offend you beyond an eyeroll or a shrug, online gaming may not be for you. Because that is hardly the worst thing on the internet.

But even if they want to say no custom made miis in online mode, they could at least offer a few generic faced miis to give a move set to for online. For tournaments and online mode, if you picked Mii as your main. It just seems a strange decision after how many other games share miis over the Internet.

Oh well. I think some people are overreacting a little bit. They are as optional as Pink Gold Peach, as far as I know.

rmeyer

#88

rmeyer said:

One of Nintendos best features is integrating Miis into every game. They should continue the trend, it's great.

Bizzyb

#89

Bizzyb said:

Are you serious?
We can finally have Goku, Ryu, Ken, ANYONE fight in Smash..and their customizable options with gear and clothing looks to be insane. If you don't like it, fine don't use them but this is a very good thing for the rest of us

KeatonTS

#90

KeatonTS said:

I don't see what's so bad about including Mii characters. They have just as much potential as any other character has. I say, you feel having Mii characters in Smash Bros abuses gameplay, then you must either have low tolerance or aren't that good in Smash Bros. Just like meta knight in brawl. He was a spam character, sure, but I didn't complain, because to me (And probably many others). He was an easy character to kill, and his attacks don't land decisive blows.

guyontheladder

#91

guyontheladder said:

i'm kinda glad we wont be seeing miis in online smash matches. i dont want to be fighting miis with giant eyes and cat ears. even if i was to take my wiiu to my friends' house, play locally, we would most likely have a "nobody can play as a mii" rule. i like them, and like the fact that nintendo made them their own character; i just wont want to be playing with them. some people would love playing as them, and more power to them, but i wont be one of those people.

DBPirate

#92

DBPirate said:

I love the Mii's inclusion! I've made Batman, Joker, Scream, Harry Potter, Indiana Jones, Walt Disney, Darth Sidious, and much, much more!

SurferClock

#93

SurferClock said:

Hurray for Miis in Smash! I can't wait to consider the possibilities and see how the different fighting styles mesh with my character.

"SurferClock Chimes In!"

MasterWario

#94

MasterWario said:

They did it better than I would have done it, and that's saying something.

They had no choice but to ban them from online, really.

Genesaur

#95

Genesaur said:

I'm on board with Mii fighters, but on the note of them taking the place of other potential characters, I would trade the Mii fighters for Captain Falcon in a heartbeat. I hope he gets revealed, anyway, but we are running out of time before I start losing hope.

I never played as him; I just love F-Zero and want some legit representation.

JellySplat

#96

JellySplat said:

Well it sucks that we won't be able to fight online/competitively with them. But I can understand why. I'm sure this inclusion would have meant many disgusting trolls taking advantage of their opportunity. However, You would get to beat them up for it afterwards!

JellySplat

#97

JellySplat said:

@Genesaur Yeah, you have nothing to worry about dude. If C-Falcon isn't in the next smash bros... I'd be shocked to say the least.
He has been in every single game after all.

JellySplat

#98

JellySplat said:

But hey... It'll still be fun beating up Obama with Jigglypuff.... (She would make a better leader... Evil Laughter)

JellySplat

#99

JellySplat said:

Although, If I had to exchange Mii for another chara... I'd have to choose Isaac from Golden Sun!

Hong

#101

Hong said:

I don't care about them, but they are considered a feature of Nintendo's products, so may as well.

Ultimately I don't care about which characters show up, so long as there is variety and they represent Nintendo's history as a whole. The characters merely need to be fun, and they need to be balanced. We can't judge neither until we've had the opportunity to play as them ourselves.

Morph

#103

Morph said:

I dont get why this is an issue, if you dont like them then just dont use them.

Those arguing about them taking up space on roster, what makes you think that they've taken the place of another character? Sakurai might not have wanted to add any other characters, the roster could have 3 more more characters plus the mii's, and people would still complain there arent 3 more.

My only complaint is that you should be able to use them online, just give the players the option to select if they want mii's in their game or not

Kirk

#104

Kirk said:

There's no real argument against including Mii characters as fighters in the game imo. There is an argument against Nintendo gimping how you use them in some pretty stupid was and for some pretty stupid reasons. Typical Nintendo these day unfortunately. Still, it's cool to just see them in the game imo.

PvtOttobot

#105

PvtOttobot said:

I love this inclusion! I was seriously dreading the Mii's reveal, but reggie and Iwata's 'reveals' were a great way to introduced the most hated prediction yet, and the depth of their customisable types, moves and of course heads, blew me away!!

GougeMan

#106

GougeMan said:

It's fine. If you don't like them, don't use them. I seriously doubt a N character didn't get included because of the Mii characters. They just wanted to add a little lighter fun to the game. Its a good design move.

Alucard83

#107

Alucard83 said:

I'm against it. Mii just does't fit this game. Why do they feel they have to add that option? If we wanted to play as Mii we would get a game with only Mii. All BS again. Instead focusing on other unused characters that they could use for SMASH BROS. NUFF SAID

arnoldlayne83

#108

arnoldlayne83 said:

Everytime there is something "more" than expected, I don't see why there must be a statement "against" it.... the Mmi are playable local or among friends, not on public online, so I don't see the point to write an article against it....
Nintendo should integrate Mii on every first party games, even Super Mario Bros lineup, giving the chance to people to be Mario for a day....

onery

#109

onery said:

Miis are part of Nintendo's effort to allow us to take part in our games. From the inclusion of the Mii characters in Mario Kart Wii to Disney's Magical Kingdom and of course the very entertaining Tomodachi life, it's probably safe to say that our miniaturised counterparts still have more to show what with the possibility of custom Amiibo figurines, the World of Keflings (if it's still coming to the WiiU) and various other future titles.

I for one enjoy having an avatar I can put into a game and have him/her rambling about either helping out or just causing mischief. With the inclusion of custom Miis in Smash Bros, this has added another level in which our Miis and by extension ourselves can participate in the fights of Smash. While I'll still be sticking to Pikachu and trying out the other new characters, I will admit that I'm looking forward to having my Mii wield a spanking sword to cut down opponents.

Also, to those saying Miis don't fit in the game... aesthetically I would say they snuggle in just fine with Kirby and the other cuddly counterparts... with some exceptions of more bizarre Mii creations. Mechanically, they're provided with 3 fight styles that fit in with the Smash universe. While that's probably not a lot of diversity, bear in mind that this is ultimately a Super Smash Brothers game, not Mii Fighters the video game. So I feel having those 3 sets to manoeuvre are fine really.

TeeJay

#111

TeeJay said:

I don't get all the hate. I think it would be really fun to play as myself vs my sister or some other family member. Can you imagine how hilarious it would be to see my grandma beat the crap out of my mii? The no miis online thing is understandable I guess, but I think there should have been am option to play against miis online if you so wish to. That way if you start getting sick of them you can just choose not to play against them anymore.

And the thing about them taking up a character slot is ridiculous. This will and has already been said about every character addition ever.

arnoldlayne83

#112

arnoldlayne83 said:

the character slot stuff is one of the most ridicolous/hilarious justification I have ever red in my all life.....

odd69

#113

odd69 said:

I dont care Im playing the game it doesnt spoil my entertainment with Smash Bros.

ultraraichu

#114

ultraraichu said:

At least you can still play them in single and local multiplayer. I don't mind the online side since I can imagine people's reaction in overusing them, you can still use them with friends online, and the list of current fighters is already good enough to be used online on their own merits.

Danny429

#115

Danny429 said:

I think they should make it so that you have to either use a generic face or the one from your nintendo network profile when playing online.

ultraraichu

#116

ultraraichu said:

Good point Wesbert. That haven't even crossed my mind. The social media always trys to take a stab at Nintendo controversy. Racist Mario Kingdom, Tomodachi life non same sex marriage, child labor at Wii U factory, Pokemon (Jynx, male Gardevoir & Gothitelle, etc.), to name a few. I can imagine a race war controversy in the making.

Jahir

#118

Jahir said:

I think you're just trying too hard. Miis seem cool enough and I'm surprised how Sakurai made the entry with this attention to detail. For all the people saying they'll be OP, well, how can you even say that if no one has used them? Seriously.

bizcuthammer

#119

bizcuthammer said:

I don't get why people get upset when certain characters get put it these games. I want as many unique characters as possible, and would much rather have the Miis and Wii Fit Trainer in this game than just another clone of Star Fox like Falco/Wolf or whatever.

Sherman

#120

Sherman said:

Just saw a Hitler in the Mario Golf rankings yesterday. To me that's a pretty lame excuse.

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