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Dedicated Video Game Platforms To Remain Nintendo's Core Focus, Says Iwata

Posted by Damien McFerran

Next 10 years will see Nintendo "redefine" entertainment

Nintendo president Satoru Iwata has updated his personal message on Nintendo's site to reflect the company's recently-announced plans for its "Quality of Life" platform.

Iwata reiterates his stance that Nintendo needs to maintain its focus on having its own dedicated hardware and software platforms which work together — which rather puts the dampeners on those hoping that the firm will bring its games to smartphones and tablets — and boldly claims that Nintendo will "redefine" the meaning of entertainment over the next 10 years.

Here's the statement in full:

Since the launch of the Nintendo Entertainment System in 1983, Nintendo has been offering the world unique and original entertainment products under the development concept of hardware and software integration. In the field of home entertainment, the video game industry is one of the few industries established in Japan that spread around the world, and Nintendo has established itself as a well-known brand truly representing video game culture throughout the world.

With the belief that the raison d’etre of entertainment is to put smiles on people’s faces around the world through products and services, what we have focused on for the last decade is our basic strategy of expanding the gaming population by offering products which can be enjoyed by everyone regardless of age, gender or gaming experience. In addition, as the business environment around us has shifted with the times, we have decided to redefine entertainment as something that improves people’s quality of life (“QOL”) in enjoyable ways and expand our business areas. What Nintendo will try to achieve in the next 10 years is a platform business that improves people’s QOL in enjoyable ways.

We believe that we can capitalize the most on our strengths through a hardware-software integrated platform business, and therefore this type of dedicated video game platforms will remain our core focus. We will continue to value the spirit of originality described in our motto “The True Value of Entertainment Lies in Individuality,” and will continue to provide products and services which pleasantly surprise people.

With a platform business that improves people’s QOL in enjoyable ways, we will attempt to establish a new business area apart from our dedicated video game business. We have set “health” as the theme for our first step and we will try to use our strength as an entertainment company to create unique approaches that expand this business. Through our new endeavors with the QOL-improving platform, we strive to further promote our existing strategy of expanding our user base, create an environment in which more people are conscious about their health and in turn expand Nintendo’s overall user base.

After Nintendo started the manufacture and sale of Hanafuda (traditional Japanese playing cards) 125 years ago, it has innovated itself from a playing card company to a toy company, a toy company to an electronic toy company and finally from an electronic toy company to a company developing video game platforms. Nintendo has continued to try new things, and with a history of experiencing many failures and small successes, we managed to pioneer the home video game market. What has remained the same from the past is that we have always tried to create something new from materials and technologies available at that time, to position entertainment as our core business and to improve people’s QOL in enjoyable ways. We will continue to value self-innovation in line with the times and aim for growth.

Nintendo intends to make progress with the support and encouragement of its shareholders and investors.

We still don't know a great deal about the proposed QOL platform — although we've speculated in the past — and it's interesting to note that Iwata sees it as a totally separate part of Nintendo's business, rather than something which will replace its focus on gaming.

Does Iwata's message fill you with confidence for the next 10 years? Let us know with a comment.

[via nintendo.co.jp, nintendoeverything.com]

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User Comments (96)

DualWielding

#1

DualWielding said:

Nintendo can make a big comeback next gen in the home console area as well as retain their dominance on the handheld market however they need to get 5 things right .

1. Third Party Support
2. Powah
3. Account System
4. Region Free
5. No gimmicks

If they get all those rights there are no reasons why they cannot return to their SNES era greateness

FullbringIchigo

#2

FullbringIchigo said:

it's nice to know they are not giving up to the nay sayers, i hope nintendo can do well with the wii u and 3ds (they just need better third party support)

electrolite77

#3

electrolite77 said:

All well and good Nintendo but don't forget us, you know, your long term fans. Because after 20-odd years I'm fed up of feeling like an afterthought.

MAB

#4

MAB said:

I can already envision this QOL platform taking up space in the closets of a few million soccer moms bedrooms... The Xmas present that gets used once then never sees the light of day ever again ;)

Ignatius_Cheese

#6

Ignatius_Cheese said:

@ferthepoet Read the article. Nowhere does it say that is what Nintendo is proposing for the future.

If anything, Wii Fit and Wii Sports are examples of previous attempts at "Quality of Life" / "Heath" products so the next platform sounds as though it will be integral with those types of products. Maybe the return of the Vitality Sensor?

Needless to say, this does not sound like Nintendo are positioning themselves to compete directly with Sony or Microsoft in the future and, as such, will distance themselves further from the current 3rd Party models.

One can only assume that if they tap into another area of unexploited consumers that 3rd Party developers and publishers will rush back to create their own "Quality of Life" products for Nintendo.

I am both curious and nervous about the future of Nintendo but will continue to enjoy the 3DS and Wii U for the time being.

withoutdk

#7

withoutdk said:

Nintendo is great... but yes... 3rd party support is essential (will also sell more consoles... = more profit)
more power... it is all about power today... everyone whines about the wii u not being able to use that and that and that engine or is performing badly...

idork99

#8

idork99 said:

It's anyone's guess what "new business area apart from (their) video game business" Nintendo will venture into but only time will tell if it'll improve my QOL.

Hope/Prediction: Since health is the first theme they are venturing into, I'd personally would like to see sort of pedometer like the ones used on Wii Fit U that tracks daily activity, heart rate, and have SpotPass that compares your daily activities with others with ease. You can have it sync to 3DS or Wii U via NFC on GamePad. Something along those lines would be cool.

ledreppe

#10

ledreppe said:

As a Nintendo fan for life I hope I can afford the next gen of systems (even just one system), cause the new unified platform sounds interesting. Being able to buy a game once and have it work on mobile and home systems sounds awesome. Nintendo won't need to improve their 3rd party support either, as they only need to develop a game once rather than create a handheld and home version, should mean twice as many 1st party games!

StarDust4Ever

#11

StarDust4Ever said:

The day Nintendo drops out of the hardware race and becomes a 3rd party developer, is the day I become a full-time retro gamer. I've got backloggery spanning 30+ years, so there's no reason I can't stay occupied without new modern games to play. Here's to another 30+ years of games, Nintendo! B-)

TwilightV

#12

TwilightV said:

Pfft. Nintendo could hand 3rd parties the world on a gold platter covered in diamonds and they would still come up with a lame, half-baked excuse to not develop for them. :P

Guybrush20X6

#14

Guybrush20X6 said:

I think the problem is parents are too content to just give their kids a phone and call it good. Kids need to be taught the joys of local multiplayer where if that kid called your mother horrible things she'd take him out by the ear and make him repeat what he said with his parents present.

I'm hopeful for the future. (Of games that is, otherwise the Ukraine situation has got me worried for a COD MW live action reenactment)

Sanqet

#15

Sanqet said:

If nintendo want to get all the fans back they lost they have to get back to innovating with the games instead of the hardware I think they have got really lazy with the games on the wii u if you look back to the snes and n64 and how many great ideas they had when making the games compared to now you realize how little effort they have put in to making the games for the wii u with little or no innovation and offering nothing we have not seen many time before, donkey kong and 2d Mario play just the same as the snes games and offer not one new idea and a remake of wind waker they are not even trying to innovate or do something new like I said nintendos problem with the wii u is they have got lazy and stopped trying when making the games

Cengoku

#16

Cengoku said:

Third parties won million of dollars with their ds and Wii games and now, I can't accept what they are doing now at Wii u. I was hoping to buy Rayman but the way ubisoft did with this game made me not buy it. And look at the crop easports.

belmont

#17

belmont said:

@ledreppe I really look forward to a unified platform too. Sony has somewhat already done it with the cross-buy and cross-play/save with the Vita. It surely is good to buy a PS1 Classic or a retail title and be able to play with no additional cost to both home and portable consoles.

In the end I wondered why someone, especially Nintendo with its successful handhelds, has not tried a unified platform yet.

However I just want more games from Nintendo since they have lots of studios working for them. Also something somewhat more modern would be good. Useless gimmicks and this QOL does not interest me that much.

ledreppe

#18

ledreppe said:

@belmont

QOL hasn't piqued my curiosity, it just seems to be more Wii Fit (which I have on Wii & Wii U) and I only use it to weigh myself once in a while.

Jazzer94

#19

Jazzer94 said:

@ledreppe I'm also looking forward to the day Nintendo unify its platforms in terms of VC and select games available on both like edge, cross saves would be welcome as well.

Action51

#20

Action51 said:

@Cengoku That's a big part of it for me.

Nintendo hasn't changed that much, the triple A third party development game has. That's why I like that Nintendo has bought up studious like Retro and Monolithsoft. I hope they do the same with Platinum.

luke88

#21

luke88 said:

@ferthepoet I must say I don't entirely agree. Whilst I do believe that the majority of the measures you suggest certainly wouldn't hurt, I don't believe they would ensure that Nintendo gets back the audience it has lost; i.e the tens and tens of millions who might describe themselves- falsely in my opinion- as hardcore gamers.

Unfortunately with regards to a very large group of gamers I think Nintendo's problem is one of perception, their image just doesn't connect with all the people buying xbones and ps4s, Nintendo are seen as making kids games and being 'uncool'. I don't know how they could address that but I don't know if your ideas, all of which would be appreciated by existing Nintendo fans such as us, would help in any discernible way with non Nintendo fans. Maybe they do need to find new audiences? Gimmicks and perhaps this QOL stuff could help that do that, which in turn could ensure they are able to continue making great games and consoles for the likes of us.

Action51

#22

Action51 said:

@luke88 I think part of it is simply cyclical.

Right now, big overly serious but shallow, special effects heavy blockbuster movies and shooters are the "thing" and that's not what Nintendo does well.

I actually see the trend is starting to end slowly but surely, and popular trends may return to wanting more creative and gameplay oriented fare.

Action51

#24

Action51 said:

@Cengoku Maybe we'll get super lucky, and Nintendo will buy up Sega.

With so many of the big studios cutting back or folding (Irrational games the latest)... we may see it.

Playing Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze this weekend I kept thinking how I'd love to see not a Mario-Sonic crossover, but a DK-Sonic game!

electrolite77

#25

electrolite77 said:

I hope this QOL stuff doesn't just mean a glorified Wii Fit. That's another ship that's sailed to app/pedometer/heart-rate monitor-equipped smartphones

SilverArrow

#27

SilverArrow said:

@electrolite77
He already said in the investor briefing that it won't just be software, so expect non-gaming devices and toys and similar things.

@ferthepoet
No gimmicks? You didn't like the N64,GCN, Wii, or Wii U controllers? Because all those controllers are gimmicks.
gimmick - something grabbing attention

Doma

#28

Doma said:

“QOL in enjoyable ways”

Just scanning this lump of text, you see this being mentioned around 10 times, at least. It's clear to see what their focus will actually be...

I honestly believe that Nintendo are screwed until they can get rid of the senile group running things atm. This 'QOL' pipe-dream is going to blow up in their faces.

rjejr

#30

rjejr said:

Core focus is NOT the same thing as ONLY focus. Nintendo could make 60% of their games for their own hardware and 40% for smartphones and tablets and their own hardware would still be their CORE focus. This doesnt "dampen" anything. Nobody chooses the word core by accident, its one of those doublespeak corporate marketing terms that can mean almost anything you want it to so you can never be called a liar.

unrandomsam

#31

unrandomsam said:

"What we have focused on for the last decade is our basic strategy of expanding the gaming population by offering products which can be enjoyed by everyone regardless of age, gender or gaming experience."

Some definition of "everyone" that doesn't include me then. That is why I want GBA stuff on my 3DS so much because they were still reasonable then. Even something like Megaman does with normal and difficult (Or more of what they did with 3d Land with a second set of better levels). Or what Square did with FFIV (Easy and Normal version).

BertoFlyingFox

#32

BertoFlyingFox said:

I'm ready for the next decade of Nintendo. Show us what you mean by QOL, you crazy videogame pioneers!

Artwark

#33

Artwark said:

@ferthepoet I don't get the fifth point though. The Wii and DS were gimmicky and yet they sold incredibly well. So you need to work on that statement.....

Muzikant

#34

Muzikant said:

I just hope that before they get out of the video game business, they will launch something like Nintendo Fusion, integrate the console and handheld into one, and launch all the previous gen titles through eShop. That way I am able to have ALL Nintendo games that I love on one system, and be compatible with something like a GamePad. And re-release all the Mario. Zelda, DK titles in HD. Then I will be happy. But, you know how they say: Dream on, baby.

Muzikant

#36

Muzikant said:

Right now I got a Wii, Wii U, 2 3DS XLs, and gonna buy a 3rd one, on March 14th.
So, Nintendo better realize that they got some loyal fans that do spend money.

bizcuthammer

#37

bizcuthammer said:

A huge part of me wants Nintendo to always be making consoles. But there is a huge problem they are facing, and I don't think they can overcome it this time, at least not with the current management structure.

That problem is perception. In the home console market, Nintendo created an image of itself during the Wii years that they are more interested in casual, gimmicky gaming experiences like Wii Fit than in 'core' gaming experiences. Many people bought a Wii, yes, but most 'core' gamers came to see it as an irrelevant joke, as compared to its rivals, it had a small, albeit very good, library of titles worth owning. Thus the perception of Nintendo became 'gimmicky, irrelevant, underpowered, casual and kiddy.' None of those are good in the eyes of what should be Nintendo's main demographic: Core Gamers. With Wii's fluke success that will never be repeated due to the casual gaming market flocking to the tablet/smartphone business, Nintendo severely damaged its brand name in the eyes of many gamers. With WiiU, once again underpowered with a lack of third party support compared to its rivals, Nintendo has only further crushed its reputation in the home console arena. There is a reason that many game developers laugh when asked if their new game is hitting WiiU. Because Nintendo is a joke now in the minds of its demographic, the demographic they should always have been focused on, but the one they mostly ignored during the Wii years. Now the favor is being returned, and gamers are ignoring Nintendo.

Nintendo has an image problem, and I don't see them recovering under their current leadership. I think Iwata desperately wants to get the casual market back, which is highly unlikely to happen because Nintendo is not going to topple Apple. And even if they manage to capture some of that market, casuals are so finnicky and unloyal to brand name that they could leave at any time, which is exactly what happened to Nintendo when Wii was replaced with WiiU.

The biggest issue is that even if Nintendo were to truly create a new console with up to date hardware that appealed to 3rd party developers and the core gaming market, no one would care anymore. Because the brand name is damaged. Gamers today will buy a new Xbox or Playstation instead, because their brand names have value in the industry. Nintendo's only value in the minds of gamers today is nostalgic. Its unfortunate, but true.

I would rather see Nintendo go third party than continue to make unsuccessful console one after another for 15 years. Which is what it sounds like they plan to do as long as the current leadership model is in place.

Shambo

#38

Shambo said:

Somewhat off-topic... Nothing suits you like a Yellow Pikmin on your suit! I simply love how they always manage to slip in something fun, instead of just suits and ties.

dmc79

#39

dmc79 said:

I'm a 34yr old parent of 3 and I've always owned a Nintendo products since the NES. The company seems to not care about other then serving children wtf I play games too, guess who's playing at home with a 3DS and/or Wii console when the kids go to school? Do you think dad buys games just for little Johnny to play at home? No we buy games we play games too.

IxnayontheCK

#40

IxnayontheCK said:

I take this as they're no longer trying to be "videogame" centric, acknowledging they can't compete with sony and Microsoft, so they're looking for a blue ocean area that isn't super saturated by beefy competition. I think this shift to QOL is scary...hello vitality sensor...i mean Wtf =/

Sean_Aaron

#41

Sean_Aaron said:

Nintendo still makes playing cards for gods sake so anyone getting bent out of shape about non-video game products needs to get their heads out.

WaveBoy

#42

WaveBoy said:

@ferthepoet

No gimmicks? No dice. The last thing i want is another console with twin stick controls, taking a step back are wii? ;)
They need to push innovation further with every console they churn out. I'm no graphic-whore and i'm absolutely fine with the Wii U's graphic capablities. I'm more interested in getting fresh new and unique gaming experiences with the gamepad. Not the same ol' crap that Sony and MS are dishing out.

WaveBoy

#43

WaveBoy said:

@DimetriWarrior
I hate it when people say 'gimmick' as if it's a bad thing. I guess the D-Pad, shoulder butters, Analog stick and rumble pack were all gimmicks. We should just go back to the atari 2600 joy stick for crying out loud, because there shouldn't be gimmicks! They should just release the same boring traditional controller with fancier visuals....Wait, that's exactly what Sony & MS have been doing for the past 3 generations. ugh.

Einherjar

#44

Einherjar said:

@ferthepoet What you get is just another console that is indistinguishable from anything else on the market.
Answer these questions to yourself:
Would Nintendo titles look better with the PS4s power ? Would they play better ? Would it redefine the way you play games in general ? Did the recent Nintendo first party titles use any gimmicks ?

You have a point with the account system. The PSN account system is definitly the role model to follow here: conveniant, easy, available on both home console and handheld and even from your PC.

Reagion Free is another point, although it has its reasons. Its definitly NOT customer oriented or friendly, but it has its roots in license management, parental controlls etc. There are reasons, although a bit fogy to the public. Im not a fan of it, definitly not, and who would be, but its a decision you have to live with sadly.

Third party support is not entirely nintendos fault. Its rather a sad truth how incompetent major developers have become over the time.
One major factor are the low sales figures of said titles. And these most certainly come from purposly butchered ports. And it was not nintendo who said "pleasy, if you release a game on our console, make it the least complete package possible"
If you want to blame someone, blame the people who are responsible for this. Nintendo is basicly doing everything they can to support developers on their systems. And saying they dont invest in 3rd party contend is just wrong. They financed pretty much all of Platinums recent developments after everyone else dropped them like a hot potatoe for instance. And im pretty sure that they are waiting for that investment to come back in after Bayonetta 2s release to either further follow such strategys or abandon them.

Senario

#45

Senario said:

@dmc79 What if I told you that video games rated E for everyone meant E for everyone and not just Kids. Treating Mature as a prerequisite for goodness is really immature. Also, bayonetta2, monster hunter, and plenty of other games are good regardless of age group.

BossBattles

#46

BossBattles said:

Nintendo should do the one thing that they have decided they do not want to do:
Compete directly with competition and dominate in that sphere.

Bolt_Strike

#47

Bolt_Strike said:

They keep making all of these claims of "innovation", but TBH, there's been very little of that since about 2009-2010, for whatever reason they've decided they want tons of rehashy sequels fueled by nostalgia more than anything else. Maybe they genuinely want to start making innovative new products again now that they've been having problems selling Wii Us, IDK, but I'll believe they're truly committed to innovation when I start to see a change in philosophy in many of these products. When we start to see less games like NSMB, 3D Land/World, and Tropical Freeze and more innovative games like Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3, then maybe you could make the claim that Nintendo is starting to innovate again.

LittleIrves

#49

LittleIrves said:

@Sean_Aaron is the voice of reason.

I personally lost interest in games circa 2002, then five years later was reinvigorated by the Wii. So I say keep pushing. I'm crazy-intrigued by this QOL platform. But I'm also anxious to see their next phase of Wii U games and whatever comes after 3DS. There's room for both.

dustin_g

#50

dustin_g said:

they want to save people money on health insurance, maybe the us government will give them funding

Gashole

#53

Gashole said:

@Ignatius_Cheese
Maybe YOU should read the article, AND ferthepoet's comment. Nintendo is refusing to change, and this is a testament to their lost innovation and creativity, THE TWO THINGS THAT DEFINED THE COMPANY IN THE FIRST PLACE! His article speaks volumes louder than Nintendo's. His says "this is what needs to be done", while Nintendo's says "we're going to keep it safe for a while".
"I am both curious and nervous about the future of Nintendo but will continue to enjoy the 3DS and Wii U for the time being." That proves you're just as safe and predictable as they are, and don't really care about speaking out against Nintendo's ignorance. Which, by the way, means KEEP YOUR WALLET CLOSED.
And one last thing:
"Needless to say, this does not sound like Nintendo are positioning themselves to compete directly with Sony or Microsoft in the future and, as such, will distance themselves further from the current 3rd Party models."
A recipe for disaster, and they're feeling it already. When disaster hits, do we do nothing? Nope. We change our strategy.
Bye bye, Nintendo, it's been a blast.

GunstarHero234

#54

GunstarHero234 said:

ZZZZZ.......time and time again Iwata how long are you going to continue to keep on with this charade please. I bought my Wii U to play games not to care about your BS QoL crap which my damn system already collecting all kinds of dust.

Also some of these comments I read are either:
1.Complaining over people opinions and thinking their comment is so "contradicting" so they have to prove with their own agenda to defend Nintendo again.
2.Right on the mark with his opinion which makes others personally complain because it's actually true about Nintendo.

Sadly I have to choose both of these for ferthepoet and bizcuthammer comments.

dumedum

#55

dumedum said:

"What Nintendo will try to achieve in the next 10 years" - well he's certainly thinking long term.
Personally, I can't wait for this QOL thingy, which will hopefully skyrocket the stock and bring joy.

Onett

#56

Onett said:

Many elderly and middle aged people bought into the Wii for the physical activity. Iwata is aware that there is a gap in the market that Nintendo can take advantage of, explore, and expand on.

On a side note, many of the mobile users simply aren't aware of the splendor that is Nintendo. Releasing a demo of NSMBU and DK: Tropical Freeze on the mobile app market could potentially hook people into buying a 3DS and Wii U for the real experience.

unrandomsam

#57

unrandomsam said:

I am ok with gimmicks as long as they don't make something else worse in the process.

(I prefer the N64 or Gamecube Analog sticks to say the Circle Pad / Wii Classic Controller sticks because of the way small movements work better due to the lack of force needed).

Don't like propeller Mario type stuff done just for the sake of it and I am always bothered about durability over looks. (The pad's on the buttons should be as good as say the SNES ones in terms of how they wear). If it needs thick grey plastic so be it.

SphericalCrusher

#61

SphericalCrusher said:

People quickly forget the Wii won last console war. I know WiiU isn't selling as well as it should be, but still... Nintendo isn't as bad off as some people think. The 3DS is making some bank as well.

mercurio2054

#62

mercurio2054 said:

@Einherjar " And these most certainly come from purposly butchered ports. And it was not nintendo who said "pleasy, if you release a game on our console, make it the least complete package possible"

good one

PrincessSugoi

#63

PrincessSugoi said:

Whatever this QoL thingamagig is going to be, this statement's purpose seems more like a not very subtle way to tell all the "go 3rd party" noisemakers to **** off.

Einherjar

#64

Einherjar said:

@mercurio2054 And i simply dont get why people always shift the blame on nintendo. I guess its just the "hip" thing to do nowadays.
If Platinum is releasing a Nintendo exclusive title people are petitioning and pestering the developers to a point, that they almost loose their will to work but if a developer obviously butchers his nintendo ports, cuts out content, doesnt release DLC etc its all nintendos fault, the consoles fault and whatnot. Go pester these devs, force them to spit out the truth. "Poor sales figures" is just an BS argument. Where should these numbers come from when no game / only inferior ports get released ?
If you had the choice between a perfectly working car and a car with only 3 wheels, but both cost the same, it doesnt need a miracle to guess the answer.
Comparing sales between consoles is only fair and fitting, if each and every version is released with the same chances: same date, same price, same content. If there are differences, you simply cant compare the numbers.

Luna-Harmony

#65

Luna-Harmony said:

Nintendo fusion console a new console that's as powerful as ps4/xbone and plays wii u / wii / 3ds games and the new fusion games.
Region free so we can import games if they don't make it to the EU.

Capt_N

#66

Capt_N said:

@unrandomsam: "I am ok with gimmicks as long as they don't make something else worse in the process" - I totally agree.

@bizcuthammer: Yeah, I too, believe Nintendo has an "image problem". Thought, I think it could be much worse.

Gamer83

#67

Gamer83 said:

I've become increasingly discouraged by what's happening this gen with all the home consoles and frankly, unless I see a big turnaround I don't think I give a damn if that market completely disappears in the next 5-10 years, it's getting that bad. If all this gen is going to be is last-gen ports for the Sony and MS systems and the rare Nintendo gem for the Wii U, I think the industry can do without these garbage systems. My one fear though is Nintendo going away from dedicated handheld devices like 3DS. The handheld market is still going strong and with systems like 3DS and Vita you can already get home console-like experiences on the go. So far, Iwata seems to be sticking to his guns, which is good, hopefully he continues to do so and other circumstances don't force him out of his current position in Nintendo because I do think there are others who may have caved to investors and gone ahead with making terrible iPhone games by now. Iwata hasn't, and those of us who prefer real gaming experiences should all be thankful for that.

gatorboi352

#68

gatorboi352 said:

@bizcuthammer Bingo (with the exception of your last paragraph).

I've been saying these exact words in here for months. But I do not wish to see Nintendo go 3rd party at all. I love Nintendo hardware.

@unrandomsam (I prefer the N64 or Gamecube Analog sticks to say the Circle Pad / Wii Classic Controller sticks because of the way small movements work better due to the lack of force needed).
The Wii U analog sticks are the best I've ever used. I really wish they'd update the Nunchuck to have the clickable Wii U analog stick.

gatorboi352

#69

gatorboi352 said:

I'll tell you what I Think this better mean:

QoL platform = whatever is next for the Wii brand. Even if it means dumping the brand "Wii".

Core Gaming platform = the next Nintendo Entertainment System, in line more with what the SNES/N64/GCN eras have brought to the table.

I think they found out they got stuck between a rock and a hard place with Wii U, thinking they could do it all (QoL AND core gaming) in one package. That approach clearly isn't working.

khululy

#70

khululy said:

@bizcuthammer: what is a "Core gamer"? but a misarable pile of !@#$.

I never liked the Playstation controllers and the Xbox had fuzzy graphics and a lack of a decent variety of exclusives as well and all the multi-platform games looked better on my PC anyway but the Wii had games such as DKC return, Sin and punishment 2, Demon blade Zack & Wiki and Cool version of Okami.
While I am currently not interested in buying a Wii U, mostly because my 3DS drains my gaming funds lately (blasted Eshop! :P)but DKC: TF kinda make me want to buy one in the near future.
The reason, I think, 3rd party drop the Wii U is because it's 'lack' of power does not enable for quick multiplatform releases and making small interesting creative games is not on the minds of Ubisoft, Activsion, EA and Sqeenix and the likes these days.
It's a sad state of affairs and I think the whole game industry needs to make a Uturn or barrel roll. but Nintendo is the first to notice this because of their early release. the other 2 had their big console release to hold of their troubles. but lately I am more and more dissapointed in AAA games with more shine then substance.
I rather play a solid game with "lesser" graphics then a shiny borefest that is not memorable at all.
In the future when systems like ps4 and xbone are old consoles, Their highly promoted features like the bro button and the fingerpad will feel more gimmicky then the offscreen play and the motion controll of the Wii will. They just feel "cool" because lot of people want to be online and share and communicate etc. but once the servers shut down and support is gone I can still rip out peoples hearts in Madworld or play my old Wiiu games ( if I have one by then) on the tv without having to claim it.

Nintendo is not without fault but Sony and Microsoft aren't nintendo's peers because the sales of a single "console generation". People are all to easily sucked into shareholder paranoia ( and by god these guys are full out bonkers I can assure you).
Now that the gap between graphical improvement is getting smaller and smaller people should focus on actual gameplay more and in my opinon nintendo always tried, not always succeeded, To bring something fresh to the table to give our gaming a new spin.
Yes they could take a few pointers from sony and microsoft or dabble in more advanced storytelling mechanics in their games(but then again look how people recieved Other M). But I could also argue that other developers could stop trying to fill every game with beefed up white dudes with huge guns (that are totally NOT fallic symbols) or annual reskins of the same game or have one core mechanic and apply it to all games you release.

I truely appreciate Nintendo's efforts toward the gaming industry sure they trip now and then but atleast they get up and try again.
The attention Nintendo gets for this little stumble is also a sign of how big they still are and, I assume, how many people still care.

electrolite77

#71

electrolite77 said:

@Einherjar

Good third-party ports also sold next to nothing-NFS, Deus Ex, Tekken etc. Even ZombiU which was a third-party exclusive didn't sell enough to justify a sequel. If a platform holder fails to get third-party support, it's the platform holders fault. Whether it be the Wii U, Saturn, Jaguar or whatever.

GunstarHero234

#72

GunstarHero234 said:

@khululy

Really now but you just remembered use the WORST pun in Castlevania SOTN history from PS1 that is enough make me remember.

(What is a "Core gamer"? but a miserable pile of !@#$ aka What is a MAN? but a miserable pile of secrets!)

Lame to death but seriously though Nintendo isn't the same way they used to from their golden era either. Authentic is the category nowadays and going for mostly only the casual/hardcore Nintendo audience rather than accepting the "core gamer" is the real reason why they in this position which is sad.

But the majority of your community want to use the SAME BS excuse over wanting to "blame" the other consoles for mostly using violence games with "flashy graphics" to win the crowd over which isn't fully true.

I thought it's your preference not a agenda to buy whatever you enjoy but what's the point to debate if the information isn't clicking so i'm just going to say that I don't agree with your comment at all and I FULLY agree with bizcuthammer because his comments comes with the truth to say so at the least.

jayclayx

#73

jayclayx said:

the original wii gave them cash money but also it damaged Nintendo's prestige or status as a core gamer company.

khululy

#74

khululy said:

@GunstarHero234: I never said anything about violence used to win over consumers. I've got nothing agains violence in games but I am just tired of a lot of games that feature square jawed military goon type heroes.
I miss characters like Abe or something like lost vikings and even Stubs the zombie come to mind. Why does every protaganist have to be a beefed up white roidmonkey?

And seriously, can someone explain me this "core gaming" thing because I've never understood this term.

Einherjar

#75

Einherjar said:

@electrolite77 The titles youve mentioned were all available previously on systems, people owned for many many years prior to the WiiU. Its no miracle that these titles have a hard time.
The problem ZombieU had were, that it was "just another shooter" in the eyes of many, something, that nintendo enthusiast (the majority of day1 buyers) arent really looking for.
In retrospect, more people seem to like it than it was stated before. Nonetheless, youre not entirely wrong. But what should nintendo have done with them ? These are 3rd party titles, not handled by nintendo. Marketing etc is the developers / publishers hands.

GunstarHero234

#76

GunstarHero234 said:

@khululy Who don't you think I love seeing CoD over and over hell no but what I saying is which I didn't blame you saying about the violence in games.

I said your majority of this community which they don't have the understanding of preference or experience with different titles which in fact why alot of titles that isn't a Nintendo product don't do successfully on Nintendo platforms because of the horrible ports the system mostly gets so they go titanic on most of the 3rd Parties coming their way or not but the indies which I didn't buy my system fully for they praise them like saviors.

(And a new Abe Oddworld New "N' Tasty title coming to the PS4 and i'm buying it yes)

IceClimbers

#77

IceClimbers said:

Fair warning, I'm about to rant on everyone.

First off, this QOL platform is completely SEPARATE from their video game platforms. They are two completely different things, and the QOL platform will not replace video games anytime soon. People don't seem to understand this.

Second off, in regards to home consoles. Nintendo can NEVER recover. As people have said above, Nintendo has damaged their image. Now, most of you keep saying that Nintendo needs to go after 3rd parties (sell themselves out) and directly compete with Microsoft and Sony. That is a recipe for disaster.

@bizcuthammer, @SuperMarioBros3, and @ferthepoet, 3rd parties will never flock to Nintendo, regardless of what they do. 3DS is proof of that. Get that through your heads. Accept the truth. There's nothing Nintendo can do about that. However, the 3rd parties aren't needed as they will crash and burn alongside Sony and Microsoft's gaming divisions. Nintendo's image problem won't help either, as nobody outside of Nintendo's gradually shrinking fanbase will buy a Nintendo home console, regardless of hardware power or 3rd party games. If Nintendo did try to directly compete, they'd be destroyed.

Home consoles will die off. PS4, XB1, and Wii U aren't worth the money.

So what should Nintendo do? Ride the Wii U out as they are stuck with it. Then drop out of home consoles completely and focus on handhelds and the completely separate QOL platform.

Dr_Corndog

#78

Dr_Corndog said:

No, Iwata, you're wrong. You redefine entertainment by selling a $500 media umbilical cord with a fancy camera that no one wants packed in.

CanisWolfred

#79

CanisWolfred said:

@IceClimbers Either you mispoke or you're still stuck in 2011. The 3DS has had a lot of third party support over the years, especially by Japanese developers.

JuanitoShet

#81

JuanitoShet said:

Well, Iwata has talked the talk about future business strategies before - let's see if they can actually pull this off, once it all truly begins.

GunstarHero234

#82

GunstarHero234 said:

@IceClimbers Your fascination of this Gaming Industry having this so called "crash and burn" is always on your agenda which is kinda pathetic.

So rather than enjoying your titles on your Wii U you want to waste your time being a "fake video game prophet" about how Home Consoles and 3rd Parties how they going to "die" really man you need help.

WaveBoy

#83

WaveBoy said:

@GunstarHero234
haha, it's Gunstar Vs the world once again! :P
People should just start playing games and stop complaining or obsessing about sales. Sales shouldn't determin how much fun somebody is having with their poor selling console, if it's got the games they like then enjoy! the Gamecube came in last(not including the Dreamcast)during it's generation and i felt it easily had the greatest selection of games, or at least those that really appealed to me, and that controller? Simply put awesome!...well, except for the microscopic stiff d-pad which rendered retro traditional SideScrollers utterly useless(think mega man & MMX Anniversary collection) But the controller was something new, exciting, it was NEXT GEN, not regurgitated archiac unexciting plastic poop like the dual shock 2 controller.

But hey, the GCN didn't have any sidescrollers, it was another big 3D polygon fiesto, so the tiny stiff d-pad was never really an issue because it was never used to control your character in the first place. Anyways, the Wii U has been out, for what now? a year and 3 months almost? based on what's released so far, i own 8 retail releases, and want to get 6 more retail releases, with 3-4 other ones that i'm 'thinking' about getting, plus there's Super smash bros 4, Mario Kart 8, Yoshi's Yarn, NES remix collection(might be japan only), Bayonetta 2 and the HUGE surprise lineup nintendo has in store to reveal at this years e3. ;) And lets not forget the eShop....Little Inferno, DuckTales remastered(have the retail release), Shovel Knight(Hell yeah!) Toki Tori 2+, Nes Remix Volume 1 & 2(ect..) So retail wise, wanting 18 titles in a little over a year is awesome imo!

1 year and 3 months from now, i doubt there will much at all that interests me on the PS4 & XBOX one....Killer instinct is the only retail release that does. Meanwhile the 'Evil Within' is technically a PS3 game which i could get on the PS3. There are no exciting announcements or titles on the horizon for either console that have captured any slight trinket of my interest.

Now if you'll excuse me, my mullett's got the munchies babe, must cruise down to video land and get myself a King hippo pixel pineapple shake. zoink! B-)

GunstarHero234

#84

GunstarHero234 said:

@WaveBoy You always have that great enthusiasm that works wonders on these topics that's why I respect and agree of your opinions every step of the way and while you cruise for that King Hippo shake be careful not to "run into his stomach" along the way lol.

But the bottom line is I agree about the AAA title only future which I do love to play new experiences all the time i'm just sick and tired of people calling me a "dudebro" because I like some gritty titles but don't know nothing about me.

The point is I rather have indie and retro titles that fit my alley also and a Kickstarter title that's coming to the PS4 called Mercenary Kings which is like a 2D NES styled graphic Metal Slug which I say hell yes better than CoD and alot of BS that be shoving out so I will be playing that and I sadly disagree about the "new" Killer Instinct man that game suck so bad but The Evil Within man i'm a survival horror manic I rather want the "survival experience" than being as you say "this braindead shooter gamer that wants nothing but all guns in his titles".

(I'm looking at you Resident Evil 5 and 6 -_-)

That's what happen with Outlast which is a survival horror idiots complain the game was "trash" because they couldn't handle to play the game without a "gun" nor couldn't finish it which the main protagonist was a reporter with a camcorder that has night vision to see through the darkness in a crazed scary asylum with no help markers or maps in sight you will have to navigate the game on your own. The game feels like a classic title with a next gen FPS flavor which you have a big guy by the name of "Walker" and crazies trying to kill you. You have to run and hide because again you have no gun nor you cannot fight so the experience is breathtaking and scary for the first runthrough kinda like ZombiU sorry I talk too much again but I love talking about titles that deserves it space rather than the same crap we keep seeing.

Cia

#85

Cia said:

I'm sure that many people would love to see Nintendo to play their hand like everyone else in the market. Like a tame underdog following the tired motions of others. However, Nintendo's got backbone more than other companies combined. They are doing what they want, and if you don't like it, GTFO :D

JaxonH

#86

JaxonH said:

I do. I absolutely have confidence in Nintendo. And not just for the next 10 years, but indefinitely. 30 years thus far entertaining me with the funnest and most enjoyable video games I've ever played, even to this day. Yes, Nintendo has definitely put a smile on my face for many years, and continues to do so.

In a world full of Tomb Raiders and Grand Theft Autos (which are by no means BAD games), it's refreshing to know I can still look forward to something different- something unique. Something not offered anywhere else in the video game market. It's also refreshing to know that just because times have changed, it doesn't mean I have to forfeit my favorite franchises and gameplay as a result. Just because the rest of the industry chooses a gritty AAA-only future, doesn't mean I can't have my light-hearted, gameplay-focused Nintendo titles as well.. Let the rest of the industry do what it wants to do and go in the direction it wants to go- that's fine. Just so long as I have my Nintendo games to fall back on, I'm good.

GunstarHero234

#89

GunstarHero234 said:

@JaxonH Thank you man at least you can come with your own opinions without showing all kinds negative feedback all the time that was so refreshing to read unlike your buddy "IceClimbers" which is too busy wanting the whole game industry to have a crash.

Gamer83

#90

Gamer83 said:

@JaxonH

That's one thing I appreciate about Nintendo. While I have to admit not all its games are the kind I want to play anymore, I still love the Zeldas, Super Marios, Mario Karts, DKs and Smash Bros. and I can appreciate what games like Pikmin or Pokémon bring even if they're not games I enjoy. For the sake of the industry Nintendo needs to keep doing what it is does. The company makes enough money that I'm not concerned about its sales. It found a way to profit with Gamecube so unless the industry just completely implodes and swallows every company whole, I don't see Nintendo going anywhere. Only concern I have is Iwata getting forced out. I'm not sure how many would have the conviction to stand up to these idiot investors who want Nintendo to make crappy games like Flappy Bird.

Frapp

#91

Frapp said:

My suggestion for first QoL game – Rez 2: His & Hers Edition (with new, improved Trance Vibrator and reworked Vitality Sensor).
Hey, there's a big adult market waiting to be tapped!

JaxonH

#92

JaxonH said:

@Gamer83

A very well balanced and insightful post. Ya know, I wasn't sure what to think of Pikmin until I played through Pikmin 3- turns out to be one of my favorite games I played last year. So nice to play something completely different than mainstream AAA ya know...

K-Gamer

#93

K-Gamer said:

@ferthepoet You really think that would work? Thats far too much of a basic approach. No one will buy a new system for an account system.

K-Gamer

#94

K-Gamer said:

I seemed to wonder why they promote Wii Fit U so much, and this may be...sadly...why.

Gamer83

#95

Gamer83 said:

@JaxonH

I know it's not the popular thing to say on gaming websites but I love those AAA experiences. I totally get where you're coming from though. I think it's why I enjoy handheld games so much. I love the Uncharteds and Batman Arkhams of the gaming world but the simpler, I want to say 'AA' or mid-tier (sorry I can't think of better terminology) experiences like an RE Revelations, Luigi's Mansion or Gravity Rush are nice to break things up.

TheRealThanos

#96

TheRealThanos said:

@Frapp I remember reading about that Rez gizmo. Although that would be more a "Quality of Love" than a Quality of Life thing... ;)

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