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Weirdness: SEGA Employee Has a Bad Day, Says Bayonetta 1 & 2 Are Almost "Exactly the Same"

Posted by Thomas Whitehead

Probably not the official company line

Update:

A SEGA of America employee has now reportedly taken to NeoGaf with a one-line statement back-tracking on the SEGA customer services rep reported below.

The information provided is not accurate and we apologize for any confusion. Bayonetta 2 is an entirely new game.

Of course, everyone already knew that, but damage control is to be expected when clangers are dropped.

Thanks for the heads up, dumedum.

Original Article:

The original Bayonetta was developed by PlatinumGames and published by SEGA on PS3 and Xbox 360, but despite earning a loyal following wasn't a significant enough commercial success for a second to be funded. Nintendo, in what was a big surprise at its Wii U launch date reveal event in August 2012, announced that it was stepping in as publisher to bring Bayonetta 2 exclusively to the Wii U. That prompted wails of anguish and gnashing of teeth for fans of the first title that insisted it should come to PS3 and Xbox 360, though as Nintendo is paying a number of the bills that seems unlikely, to put it mildly.

One hope among some Nintendo games is that the first title will get a port to Wii U to join the sequel, but that's in the hands of SEGA. A NeoGaf user decided to ask the house that Sonic built whether they should buy a copy of the original on 360 or PS3 or wait for a Wii U port, as the sequel is already in the works. Below is the response apparently given by SEGA's customer support.

Thank you for contacting us.

The second Bayonetta as you well know is being published by Nintendo exclusively for the WiiU. Both games have been developed by Platinum games. That said, the decision on which version to purchase is really up to you. The games are exactly the same except the WiiU version has a two player mode and the Bayonetta character has different hair and her costume is different.

If those additional features are not important to you, then by all means don't hesitate to pick up the PS3 or Xbox version.

Good Luck and we hope you enjoy whatever version you decide on.

Naturally, plenty of salt is needed as we're taking the word of someone that this is a response from SEGA, but it's a peculiar and rather passive aggressive answer. Whether it's the space-free WiiU or the "games are exactly the same" except for multiplayer and the character's appearance, it's not what we'd call a "scripted answer", and there may have been confusion in the wording of the question.

Safe to say that this isn't SEGA's company line, and shows the perils of Customer Services responses; you don't always get the answer you expect or need.

[via neogaf.com, gonintendo.com]

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MasterGraveheart

#3

MasterGraveheart said:

Sega isn't even touching the second game, is it? Why am I sensing some sour grapes over an old foe publishing the second one?

Nintenjoe64

#4

Nintenjoe64 said:

I think something was lost in translation along the way.

Maybe that employee was trying to accidentally spill the beans on the Bayonetta 1 remake coming to Wii U that uses the character model from the sequel...?

Vincent294

#9

Vincent294 said:

Wow. I bet that employee didn't bother getting their facts right. Last I checked, they were supposedly 2 different games.

SpookyMeths

#10

SpookyMeths said:

Gonna go ahead and probably-falsely hope that the CS rep misspoke and was actually referring to a forthcoming Wii U version of the first game. Yup. That's the expectation that I'm going to set and be disappointed by.

KeeperBvK

#13

KeeperBvK said:

Sega is making money off Bayonetta 2 without ANY input. They just hold the rights to the IP. So it should be in their interest that the game sells well. Confusing story indeed.

Blue-Thunder

#17

Blue-Thunder said:

Haha, this is common in most businesses and I'm not being nasty but there would be people who wouldn't have a clue what is happening. Customer care is well down the pecking order so it is no surprise they would not have their facts straight.

XCWarrior

#18

XCWarrior said:

@koopakid A good troll never sleeps, eh? Waking up at 6:30 in the morning just to throw some more insults at Nintendo fans. Or are you the same customer rep that said these lines? Maybe.

WiiLovePeace

#19

WiiLovePeace said:

I think it's fake. Too wierd to be true in my book.

Edit: I mean the idea that a Sega rep said any of that is fake. I already know Bayonetta 2 is a totally new game & sequel to Bayonetta 1.

Araknie

#20

Araknie said:

You just look at the demo and you can tell it's not true, really what's up latetly with developers and publishers raging time to time?
I mean, like that in public.

RedRocBoy

#22

RedRocBoy said:

Man really hope they work something out cause that's one of main reasons I haven't played the original yet. Still hoping it comes to the eShop. It's a no brainer.

Shambo

#23

Shambo said:

@koopakid It almost IS the exact same. It holds no truth whatsoever, but when you already look hard for reasons to hate, and have well under the average amount of properly functioning brain cells, you'll gladly pick it up as the new truth and spread it accordingly.

GiftedGimp

#24

GiftedGimp said:

Sounds to me a Sony/Xbox fanboy post to me, wether they actually work for Sega is debatable no doubt Sega would of of chipped in with a response either way due to the Sega/Nintendo relationship thats going on at the moment, and to keep that relationship friendly.
Anyone whos Played the Original Bayonetta and seen the Demo/Gameplay videos for B2 can obviously see the two games are different, and not just visually and the only people to take the post as true would be Sony/Xbox fanboys (most of neogaf)

Senario

#25

Senario said:

Incoming firing of an unfortunate employee who couldn't get facts straight. I thought it was pretty clear that Bayonetta 2 is a whole new game.

rjejr

#30

rjejr said:

Wait - people on a blog are complaining b/c somebody allegedly said the 2nd game in the series is just like the first?

I read all the time on this blog people saying that all the FPS games are the same - not just in the same series but ALL FPS - and people saying all the Mario Kart games are the same in response, and all the NSMB side-scrolling games are the same. But somebody says the 2nd game in a series is just like the first and people freak out? I don't get it.

Warruz

#31

Warruz said:

Biggest difference i see between the two games off the bat is the color palate . Bayonetta 1 was brown and grey tastic but #2 looks to be more vibrant.

Rafie

#32

Rafie said:

Platinum made B1 so many years ago. Even then, it was an extremely good game with AWESOME music.

I trust that it's successor is even BETTER than the first with the music being more epic. Gosh the music was off the chain. LOL I wouldn't expect a customer rep to know the details of the game. They are just as clueless about as we are. If they were involved with the game in anyway, that answer would have been extremely vague.

AlexSora89

#36

AlexSora89 said:

Meh. Even if the game actually was the same as its predecessor, it'd be still a new version of a game that didn't come to the Wii.

I say us Nintendo "fanboys" (as @Koopakid called us - as if that's even a derogatory term at all!) win either way.

fredtoy

#37

fredtoy said:

The guy was a troll.

I belive that Bayonetta 2 is "exactly the Same" as Bayonetta 1 in the same sense that God of War, Uncharted, Gears of War, Legend of Zelda, Super Mario Bros, Elder Scrolls and a lot of other games that belong to franchises are "exactly the Same".

SpookyMeths

#38

SpookyMeths said:

I read it as the rep being under the impression that B2 was an enhanced port for the Wii U a la Arkham City, The Amazing Spider-Man, etc. Same game with maybe some bundled DLC and a new mode of play, that sort of thing.

I mean, no one calls all Zelda games "exactly the same," not even people who hate the series, unless they were being intentionally provocative.

Zaphod_Beeblebrox

#39

Zaphod_Beeblebrox said:

B1 and B2 being essentially the same except for some art tweaks and local multiplayer doesn't make sense because Nintendo desperately needs games for the Wii U. If they could have released B2 already, they would have, IMHO.

Einherjar

#40

Einherjar said:

My crystal Ball tells me, that SEGA will have one less employe at the end of the week :P
There is a gameplay trailer dude, look it up and compare it ;)

Weavius

#41

Weavius said:

Considering recent Nintendo trends: Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D, Zelda OOT 3D, Starfox 64 3D, Zelda Wind Waker HD. It wouldn't surprise me.

DePapier

#42

DePapier said:

Kiddy talk. If there is anything meaningful to say about this incident, it's that Bayo is hot.

yvanjean

#44

yvanjean said:

Seem like the Sega rep was talking about Bayonetta 1 port coming to WiiU.

"That said, the decision on which version to purchase is really up to you. The games are exactly the same except the WiiU version has a two player mode and the Bayonetta character has different hair and her costume is different." Sega Rep is now talking about the Bayonetta 1 port to WiiU.

Still a big no no since Nintendo and Sega haven't announce the game.

banacheck

#45

banacheck said:

"That said, the decision on which version to purchase is really up to you. The games are exactly the same except the WiiU version has a two player mode and the Bayonetta character has different hair and her costume is different." Sega Rep is now talking about the Bayonetta 1 port to WiiU.

There is a little problem with that, Bayonetta one doesn't have a two player mode, & if thay where to port it it would still be a single player game.

I wonder if the extra hard difficulty will still be called "Non-Stop Infinity Climax"?

DrDingus

#46

DrDingus said:

I think the SEGA rep was just confused about the question. I severely doubt that this was meant to be a passive aggressive pass about a game that hasn't even been released yet.

unrandomsam

#47

unrandomsam said:

@banacheck The fact that they responded at all to me makes it look as if there is at least some degree of truth to some part of it.

I try to avoid marketing but it is so engrained. (Most of the video game journalists have no integrity. As you can see looking at metacritic looking by publisher. EA is two points below Nintendo which is the highest).

The average across the board is 70%.

unrandomsam

#48

unrandomsam said:

Someone could just respond saying this is someone in the know in Sega who has played it via a mutual contact and although it cannot be said officially it is the truth.

(And then every game site across the internet would repeat that. Nobody cares about evidence of anything only rumors.)

unrandomsam

#51

unrandomsam said:

@banacheck Have you played it ? (As far as I am concerned everything is based on marketing which is no different to deception). Once it has a demo then it can be taken on the merits of that only sane way to behave. Famitsu scores are about the only metric that is not worthless.

Wanderlei

#52

Wanderlei said:

Reporting from neogaf, loving dropped.
NeoGAF is an agenda Sony marketing web site run by a man named Tyler Malka.

According to 1up.com, Tyler Malka is "self employed" because of his earning from NeoGAF. But with no traditional means of monetization one has to wonder what is the true source of his revenue?

http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3167513

>And Malka, needless to say, is now self-employed

The true purpose of NeoGAF is to manipulate the market VIA word of mouth and using an army of sock puppets. They commonly use techniques like "down talking" and "running themes."

And when that doesn't work they simply resort to cyber bullying children.
Please watch the profanity — TBD

element187

#53

element187 said:

@Macarony64 can someone repost what the troll said? It looks like it has been removed... I was playing Pikmin 3 at 6:30am this morning, not reading a ninty news site. I had no idea all the fun to be had was here.

element187

#54

element187 said:

@Wanderlei Its definitely a Sony circle over there... its group think, and if you express a different opinion, you either get banned or chastised. I wouldn't be surprised if Sony pays to push group think in their direction on there hoping it will influence a wider audience... as we saw it worked against the xBone.

Caryslan

#55

Caryslan said:

I highly doubt Sega would badmouth this game since it's going to be the easiest profit they will ever make. The don't have to lift a finger to develop, publish, or market this game. But since they are the IP owners, they still cut a cut of this game's profits. It sounds like this guy either got confused or just did not understand what he was saying.

But no, Sega has no reason to bash this game. As the IP owners, they will see money no matter what.

Caryslan

#56

Caryslan said:

@MasterGraveheart Sega is still the IP owners of the series, so they do have a role in getting this game made. This also means Sega is very unlikely to burn their bridges since NIntendo and Platinum Games are doing all the hard work. This is the easiest profit Sega will ever make since they don't have to lift a finger, but they still make some money off it thanks to being the owners of the IP.

element187

#58

element187 said:

@jpfan1989 I have never seen more Nintendo bashing than I do there. Sony/MS must be paying some of the people to bad mouth Nintendo everywhere, there is no way there is this much ill will towards them. I have never met someone who puts down a company like that ever, even for rabid fan girls I met on the playground at school. Its like they take the smallest issues and turn the mole hill into a mountain... Take legitimate beefs, but exaggerate them enough and it makes it sound like seriously anti-consumerism.

Its actually a technique in politics. You pay hundreds of people to blog and make comments on every news article slamming your political opponent. It creates negative downward pressure and perception and it can pull poll numbers down over time... its quite effective.

JaxonH

#59

JaxonH said:

@KeeperBvK
That's misleading. Sega published the first game, and gets the entire cut of the profit. With Bayonetta 2, they'll only receive a small royalty. They're lying to consumers to convince them to buy the game that THEY conveniently published and are making a healthy profit from, and distorting the truth about the sequel which Nintendo will be making the large majority of the profit.

JaxonH

#60

JaxonH said:

Sega's intentions are obvious here people. Sega published Bayonetta, and are therefore receiving a large share of profit from every copy sold. Bayonetta 2 is being published by Nintendo, therefore, Sega WILL NOT be making much profit from the game, save perhaps a small royalty fee. It is therefore in Sega's interest for consumers to buy THEIR game, the first Bayonetta on PS3/360, as opposed to NINTENDO'S game, the sequel on Wii U.

This is a clear cut case of Sega's employees LYING to consumers and sabotaging the integrity of the sequel on Wii U in an attempt to convince those consumers to buy the first game instead, the game which coincidentally was published by Sega and will bring in a profit to the company. Unbelievable.

aaronsullivan

#62

aaronsullivan said:

Huh. The first Bayonetta being ported to Wii U in addition to the new game could explain the detailed answer. Very unlikely, of course.

R_Champ

#63

R_Champ said:

@element187

Yeah, the dedication of the crazy Sony fans (not the regular, sane ones) seems stronger than ever lately. Reminds me of when Donald Trump tried to call out Obama by offering to give money to charity if Obama showed his birth certificate. It wasn't about the money, it was about sewing doubt in the minds of voters. Crazy Sony fans are on a warpath to try and sew doubts in the minds consumers that MS and Nintendo are evil, money-grubbing thieves who could never make games as good as Sony's.

And people are buying it. PS4 looks pretty sweet. but not so amazing that people who decide to buy Wii U, PC, or Xbox One would be making a mistake. It's all preference, but they can't have people making their own choices, can they? Heck, IMO Sony had the weakest exclusive lineup at E3. And wasn't the most recent "big" announcement for Vita a Duke Nukem 3D port?

The only thing I'm starting to wonder is if the aggressiveness might backfire. I still don't own a PS3 or Vita (I have everything else) because I can't stand aggressive Sony fanboys. If more people starting feeling the same way, it could hurt more than help (just like Trump).

Rafie

#64

Rafie said:

@R_Champ Just to be clear....there are fanboys on EVERY platform. Aggressive ones at that. Sony isn't the only one. Nintendo, and most certainly Microsoft have their extremists as well.

8thGenConsoles

#65

8thGenConsoles said:

@Rafie He didn't deny that fanboys don't exist on Nintendo and Microsoft. He just said that Sony fanboys are the worst of the bunch and I have to agree.

8thGenConsoles

#66

8thGenConsoles said:

@R_Champ I have to agree. I did own a PS3 but i sold it 2 years later. I won't buy a Sony system again because I don't want to be associated with Sony fanboys. I rather buy an Xbox One and trust me I won't buy that crap either

Rafie

#67

Rafie said:

@WiiURockz Lol That is subjective to even substantiate a claim like that. How can you prove that Sony fanboys are worse than the others?! You can't. You can easily say the same for MS seeing as their fan base is larger. Then again, that would be speculation, now wouldn't it? If fanboys keep you from buying a console, then you shouldn't be gaming period. Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, and PC have fanboys. Annoying ones at that. Not one more than the other.

DarkCoolEdge

#68

DarkCoolEdge said:

@Macarony64 Probably Sega has the rights for the first game but doesn't own the IP. If it did, Platinum wouldn't have been able to offer Bayonetta 2 to plenty of publishers, only to be listened just by Nintendo.

Caryslan

#69

Caryslan said:

This is in response to a few of the comments above mine, but I don't see the benefits of refusing to buy a system just because a group of fanboys come off a crazy, obsessed people who think Sony can do no wrong. Don't take this the wrong way, but the Rabid PC, Microsoft and Nintendo fanboys are just as bad. The Rabid Microsoft fanboys will happily defend everything Microsoft does as good for the indsturdy, Rabid PC fanboys use the "Master System mindset and will take every opportunity to bash consoles as inferior PCs", and rabid Nintendo fans will claim that anything that does not have the Nintendo name on the box is not worth playing, since "Only Nintendo makes good games."

I have seen fanboys of all types, across all platforms as I browse the web. I'm not doubting there are rabid Sony fanboys, but I highly doubt they make up anymore then 1% of the system's userbase. Most PS3 owners, just like most Xbox 360 and Wii U owners are average gamers who think the system is cool or like the games.

The issue is that the rabid fanboys are often the most vocal and they have no problem trolling or starting flame wars to get their point across. These are also the fanboys who often ignore any faults with their company of choice, and pretend that they are a generous company who are putting out video games out of the goodness of their hearts. To them, it's not about the money.

When I buy a system, I don't care about what I'm associated with or anything like that. To me, the price of the system and the games are what matters. I would really like to suggest that everyone ignore the rabid fanboys. They will never go away, and to just not buy a system over a vocal minority is depriving yourself of some great games.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I highly doubt these fanboys are anywhere near the majority that own the system. The only reason why their opinions always show up is because they are the most vocal and they are the ones who will often start flame wars.

The best thing to do in my opinion is just ignore them. The PS3 has tons of great games, and its a shame fanboys ruined the system for some of you. I would suggest that everyone ignore the stupid fanboys and judge the systems on their own merits.

8thGenConsoles

#71

8thGenConsoles said:

@Rafie I know what you're trying to do. You want me to believe that all fanboys are equally bad but i disagree. I can't prove to you that Sony fanboys are worse but I speak from experience and that's what matters to me. Fanboys are everywhere, but some fanboys are more aggressive than others. Can you prove to me that all fanboys are equally bad? You can't.

R_Champ

#72

R_Champ said:

@Rafie

Just to be clear...Sony fanboys are the worst. See? I can do it too (even though I didn't even say they were the worst in my original post I was just citing the bad ones in a particular case). Except if I want to make that claim I actually have sites like Neogaf and Gfaqs to back up my claims...is that clear enough for you? No? Check the responses on Bayonetta 2 exclusivity. I've never seen fans threaten to kill devs or commit suicide because of something that went wrong on PC or Wii U. Not clear enough yet? Let's wait and see if Nintendo buys Atlus, then we'll see how 'clear' things will get. Just wanted to clear that up. That clear? It's clear...clearly, clearly, clear...wait, maybe it's transparent...wait, that's the same thing...k, just wanted to be clear.

Rafie

#73

Rafie said:

@WiiURockz Don't get upset because you made a blanket statement and can't come through with a plausible response. I never said that all fanboys are equal. Show me in my statement where I stated that! You can't because I simply didn't say that. The point of this is...there are fanboys every where. No matter how you try to spin it. No one is going to the "degree" of fanboyism. Either they are, or they aren't.

Speaking from experience only individualizes YOUR circumstance. It doesn't speak for the community as a whole. This isn't even up for debate. Seriously. There are fanboys every where and that's that.

R_Champ

#74

R_Champ said:

@WiiURockz

Maybe I'll see you on Steam then? LOL. I was a big PC buff during the PSX/N64 era, a big PS2 fan during that era, and I gave 360 a try this time around. But, I think after all the politics that have been surrounding PS4/XboxOne, I'll be going back to Nintendo+PC this gen.

Rafie

#75

Rafie said:

@R_Champ My response to you was that there are fanboys everywhere.

"Crazy Sony fans are on a warpath to try and sew doubts in the minds consumers that MS and Nintendo are evil, money-grubbing thieves who could never make games as good as Sony's."

Sony isn't a conspiring company. They ain't out to get everyone. Business is usual. Nintendo and Microsoft are in the same boat. You think there isn't sites that can back up claims of fanboys from Microsoft AND Nintendo?!

I see you're being facetious, but that's okay. I've proven my point and you also proved my point. There are fanboys/extremist who do threaten devs (check Kojima for Metal Gear) that comes from not just Sony, but Microsoft as well. Look at the PC fanboys while you're at it.

8thGenConsoles

#76

8thGenConsoles said:

@Rafie I'm not trying to spin anything, I know there's fanboys everywhere but my point is that some are worse than others. Excuse me if you don't like to hear that but that's my opinion. And I'm not upset at all, I have no reason to be upset.

Rafie

#77

Rafie said:

@WiiURockz I only responded that way because you said the Sony fans are the worst out of all of them, not that there are fans worse than others. My whole gist is that these fanboys/girls are on all platforms and there isn't one platform that has more bad ones than the other. That's all I'm saying.

8thGenConsoles

#78

8thGenConsoles said:

@Rafie I know what you're saying but I can't agree I'm sorry. I have never seen a Nintendo fanboy act the same way that Sony, Xbox and PC fanboys do. PC fanboys are constantly attacking console gamers and thinking they are superior. Sony fanboys are constantly attacking Nintendo and Xbox fans and then you have Nintendo fanboys defending themselves from Sony fanboys. I don't know much about Xbox fans but i think they are almost as bad as Sony fans. The proof that you want from me is everywhere, just look around. Go to Nintendo videos on YouTube and see Sony fanboys attack Nintendo fans for no reason. Look how much Sony fanboys attacked Xbox fans and vice versa. Nintendo fanboys can be annoying too obviously but I think that most of the times they are defending themselves from the bullies that are Sony, Xbox and PC fanboys

Rafie

#79

Rafie said:

@WiiURockz If you have never seen Nintendo fanboys act like their console is the best and that 3rd party titles aren't needed....then I don't know what to tell you. Just like you said, the proof is everywhere for you to see. It is not just Sony fans ragging on Nintendo, it's MS and PC as well. I'm still flabbergasted that you haven't reallyseen MS's fanboys on the Wii U. You would be...not so surprised at all. Also Nintendo isn't just defending. They're throwing swords at Sony. To think its just them defending most of the time is just incorrect. I understand you have your own reservations about Sony, but the "fight" goes 4 ways easily. Sorry its just not one community doing more than the other. Its ALL of them.

8thGenConsoles

#80

8thGenConsoles said:

@Rafie Nintendo fans are allowed to act like their console is the best just like how Sony fans are allowed to think that. We all have different taste but what bothers me is how much HATE Sony fanboys have for Nintendo and its fans. Why so much hatred for a company that wants to entertain people? It just doesn't make any sense to me. It seems to me that Sony fanboys are angry that 1st party Nintendo games are considered the best in the world. Sony fanboys aren't the only ones attacking Nintendo i know that but it seems to me like Sony fanboys are the ones that make the most noise. PC gamers are just as bad as Sony fans but the difference is that I can somewhat understand why PC fanboys think they are better than console gamers (even though i don't agree) but I don't get Sony fanboys hatred for Nintendo. You are once again acting as if Nintendo fanboys are just as bad as other fanboys but they are not. Nintendo fanboys are annoying but not to the extreme like other fanboys.

Rafie

#81

Rafie said:

@WiiURockz See that's what I'm talking about. You think Nintendo fans are innocent. Seriously dude if you're too blind to see the fanboys in your console of preference, then we should end the conversation here. It's clear to me that you just aren't listening to reason when it comes to Sony. I just told you that it's not just Sony, it's everyone and you're still going on about it. Microsoft has said plenty about Nintendo and Sony. Nintendo has also said PLENTY about both Microsoft and definitely Sony. Also, how can you understand someone's (PC) hatred towards another gaming platform, but can't see it for another platform?! That's crazy man.

Nintendo fanboys ARE just as bad as Microsoft and Sony. No matter how much you try to justify Nintendo's actions. That would be like me saying that Microsoft's fanboys isn't as bad as Sony or Nintendo's. That would be ludicrous for me to say that. If you argued this with anyone who wasn't impartial, you would be in for a long debate. Each person (fan) will defend their console of preference to the end and claim that one platform has more fanboys, or more aggressive fanboys than the other. Your proof is also right here on this site. Every time something comes up about another platform or how something isn't coming to Wii U, then the fanboys start saying stuff about the other platforms. It's not just here. My point once again is that Sony isn't the only one with fanboys that are outrageous. Microsoft's is everywhere and Nintendo too. Not to mention the PC. You saying that Nintendo's fanboys isn't as bad or outspoken isn't getting you anywhere. Of course a Nintendo fan is going to say that. Just like a Sony fan is going to say the same, PC is going to say the same, and Microsoft will say the same. Stalemate!!!

mamp

#82

mamp said:

I think Nintendo fan boys are worse than the others. At least the other fanboys act like fanboys Nintendo fans have a tendency to stick their nose up in the air and act like they're too good to have stupid fanboy wars even though they start one as soon as anyone says something negative about Nintendo but as soon as they get called on it this fanboy war somehow turned into a creative discussion. They learned it from Nintendo since they have a tendency to do this too when they get interviewed they usually say something like no we're not worried about the competition because we set ourselves apart with innovation or they go on about how they follow the beat of their own drum so they're too good for the rest of the industry (I know they don't say it but if feels implied just by the way they answer their questions). Nintendo fanboys are pretty much the same.

Senario

#83

Senario said:

@element187 To be honest I have met one person who is a Sony Fanboy through and through and hates Nintendo with every reason ever said in the comments. Everything from "gimmicks" to "rehashes" and I was surprised he actually believed all that. And this is when the 3DS was starting to be huge with Fire Emblem released and Animal crossing around the corner. He had the most illogical reasons to not like the 3DS like...the screen hurts your eyes which it wouldn't if you played a reasonable amount of time or just turned off the feature like I do when playing games such as Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate for extended periods.

It is a sad day when people take that absolute and illogical hate stance instead of just playing games that interest you.

8thGenConsoles

#84

8thGenConsoles said:

@Rafie There's no point in continuing this argument with you. You just think I'm biased because I'm a Nintendo guy. I like a few Sony products but I just don't like Sony fanboys and for good reasons. The reason why I understand PC gamers' hatred towards consoles is because PCs are years ahead of consoles and PC fanboys believe that consoles are holding them back. They believe that PC gaming would be even more advanced if consoles didn't exist. I can understand something like this but it's still no excuse to hate us console gamers. The console War just doesn't make sense and you know it. But yeah I'm done arguing about this. I can't talk to someone who just thinks I'm biased.

Rafie

#85

Rafie said:

@WiiURockz You did that to yourself. Look at your posts man! I mean REALLY look at them! Does it sound impartial to you at all? I'm the one that should be saying I can't talk to someone who clearly has a bias towards another platform. The thing is, you constantly say it all the time about Sony. All I did was point out that it's just not them...it's all of them. Of course, you kept on about Sony. Sony has fanboys...yes we know that. MS has fanboy...yes I know that, but apparently you don't. PC has fanboys and so does Nintendo.

One thing I can actually agree with you on is the PC notion. I don't understand their hate where gaming should be enjoyed however the medium provides it. Whether its physical or on a virtual plane. Anyway, yeah I think we're done here and I pretty much proved my point.

8thGenConsoles

#86

8thGenConsoles said:

@Rafie I didn't do that to myself, you're just the typical gamer who likes to accuse others of being biased just because they said something negative about Sony or just because they are defending Nintendo. You fail to understand that I'm not denying that all platforms have fanboys, they all do but I think that some fanboys are worse than others. Sony and MS fanboys in my opinion are worse than Nintendo fanboys. Nintendo fanboys are not innocent, just less evil than the other fanboys. That's just the way I see it and you can't change my mentality unless you prove me wrong and so far you haven't done that.

Let me repeat myself in case you still don't get it: Nintendo fanboys are NOT innocent, all fanboys are annoying and stupid but I've never seen Nintendo fanboys hate other platforms as much as Sony, MS and PC fanboys.

Rafie

#87

Rafie said:

@WiiURockz " you're just the typical gamer who likes to accuse others of being biased just because they said something negative about Sony or just because they are defending Nintendo" LOL So you're putting me in the same category is you?! You're grasping. Don't know if you have seen my post or just decided to knit pick the ones that I'm defending Sony on, but I have also defended Microsoft as well, and Nintendo. You're that bias for Nintendo that you can't fully see that they have fanboys as bad as the others?! I don't care if people defend Nintendo, Sony, or Microsoft. Just as long as what they are saying has plausibility, in this case with you, it doesn't. What YOU are failing to understand is what you believe and what it actually is..is 2 totally different scenarios. At the beginning you seem to be passing of the Ninty fanboys as less aggressive than any other as a fact when it's clearly not. I never tried to change your mind. I'm just trying to make you realize that Nintendo fanboys are just as aggressive as the rest are. That's that. I already told you I proved my point.

So let me repeat myself so that you understand: Nintendo fanboys ARE just as bad as the others. That's the bottom line. Whether you have not seen or even heard of them not being aggressive as the others...they are. Again, look on this site for proof. Of course you can't fully see it without having to agree with them. Another thing we can agree on here is that all fanboys/girls are annoying and make the gaming community look bad. If I had to be bias, it would be for the gaming community as a whole.

There's nothing wrong with competition. It's healthy. However, when fanboys/extremists go to great lengths to bash other platforms and even resort to idle threats...that's when it gets out of hand. Without competition, the gaming community wouldn't have such great titles from EACH platform and continue to put out the best quality work that each can achieve. That's what I defend. I don't take sides for any console. I just defend them against others that may be misinformed. The only platform I can't speak for is PC because I don't game on it. Still the fanboys are loud and clear when they want to be heard. I wouldn't say that they are the worst because the rest are just as bad. That is the whole point of my argument if you couldn't see that before now. This wasn't even meant to be up for debate. I was just informing the gentlemen that Sony isn't the only ones with fanboys and that they aren't the worst ones. All are. Then I was just shocked when you said that you won't purchase a system because of the fanboys. Well then you shouldn't play any system because all of them have fanboys.

Oh and about proving you wrong....the proof is everywhere. Just look at YouTube, Kotaku, IGN, heck even Yahoo Games. Of cours NeoGaf and others. Just be more open minded.

8thGenConsoles

#91

8thGenConsoles said:

@Rafie Putting you on the same category as me? LOL I have never called you bias or a fanboy. You're the one accusing me of being biased. You can't tell me that I shouldn't play on any systems. I can tolerate Nintendo fanboys and at one point I could tolerate Sony and MS fanboys but now I can't. They get worse and worse each generation. And just to be clear, fanboys aren't the only reason why I won't buy a PS4. The main reason I won't buy a PS4 is because it doesn't make sense to buy a PS4 just like how it doesn't make sense to buy a Vita. I would much rather buy a PS5 but that's if there will be a Playstation 5 in the future. Sony is not the same company they used to be in the 90's.

banacheck

#93

banacheck said:

#51
unrandomsam said:
@banacheck Have you played it ?

Yes, I still have it.

Some Sony Fanboys are bad & Xbox Fanboys, but i never come across fanboys like Nintendo fanboys, thay are from a different planet.

mamp :

Good answer.

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