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Pachter Predicts Wii U Price Cut, Feels Nintendo Is Losing "Non-Traditional" Players To Social And Mobile

Posted by Damien McFerran

Also says gamers see tablet and mobile as "perfect substitutes" for 3DS

Wedbush analyst Michael Pachter has delivered his company's latest set of predictions for the video game industry, and the findings make grim reading for Nintendo fans.

Pachter feels that with the PS4 and Xbox One looming on the horizon, hardware price cuts are likely across the board. He feels that the Wii U could see a reduction of $50 in North America as Nintendo aims to boost sales, and adds that the company may possibly look to add value to the console by bundling in "popular" software. He says that such a move should come before the holiday season.

The analyst also comments on the Wii U's recent struggles with third party support:

If the Wii U’s popularity does not improve by the end of the year, many third-party publishers may pass on producing games for the console. We note that EA recently announced that it had no Wii U games in development, and it remains a possibility that the publisher will abandon the platform entirely. Should other third parties follow EA’s lead, the Wii U could be relegated to a first party only platform.

Pachter then outlines how he sees the video game arena shaping up when Sony and Microsoft's new systems hit store shelves:

We continue to believe that Nintendo misfired with the Wii U, and believe that the next-generation of consoles will see a market share shift from Nintendo platforms to Microsoft and Sony platforms. In the aggregate, we think that the installed base of next-generation of home consoles at a similar point in the cycle will be smaller than the current generation, likely by 10-20%. However, the composition will be much different, with Sony and Microsoft each selling 85- 100 million home consoles (compared to approximately 75 million each in the current cycle) and Nintendo selling 50 million or fewer (compared to approximately 100 million in the current cycle). The 50 million decline in our forecast for Nintendo’s home console installed base reflects defections of more non-traditional gamers to social and mobile games. Should third parties follow EA’s lead and abandon the Wii U, it is likely that many Wii U households will purchase a next-generation console from Microsoft or Sony in addition to their Nintendo consoles, driving the installed base for “hard core” consoles to 220 million or higher.

Finally, Pachter addresses the handheld market — once Nintendo's cash-cow, but now arguably under threat from smartphones and tablets:

We continue to expect handheld hardware sales to decline over the next few years, as many non-traditional gamers consider smartphone and tablet games a perfect substitute for casual games played on dedicated handheld hardware. While we believe this news is bad for third-party game publishers focused on the Nintendo 3DS, there are few publishers remaining who are focused in any meaningful way on the 3DS.

We imagine these predictions will trigger a fairly vitriolic reaction from most dedicated Nintendo fans, but let's not forget that Pachter is simply doing his job: attempting to chart the course of this often unpredictable entertainment medium in order to make sure that his clients don't invest their money unwisely.

Do you feel he's wrong about the Wii U's chances, or do you see nothing but cold, hard logic in his words? What about his thoughts on the dedicated handheld market, and his claim that few publishers and developers are focused on the 3DS these days? Pachter's role is to prevent people from making bad investments, but are these predictions too pessimistic as far as Nintendo is concerned?

As ever, leave a comment to share your feelings with the rest of the Nintendo Life readership. While you're at it, don't forget to read our exclusive interview with the man himself.


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User Comments (179)



erv said:

Oh, isn't he sharp and on time? </sarcasm>

Is pikmin 3 out yet?



SanderEvers said:

Pachter is at it again.

This guy is so wrong it feels sad that his posts are reposted here every single time...

And yes, as this site is now called Pachterlife... I saw this coming.



HeatBombastic said:

The part about mobile games taking a bite out of the 3DS makes Pachter look like Captain Obvious.

Unless the Xbox One and PS4 has some crazy gimmick to them that makes people buy both early on, I don't think that most traditional, or casual gamers will flock to them immediately. I'm surprised that he's predicting two Wii selling consoles when others say that there will be a crash, and that both will sell out at launch.



SilentHunter382 said:

A price cuts doesn't solve anything. When the games are released then that is when the system will sell units. What is the point in having a price cut when the systems doesn't have any major 1st party games.



XFsWorld said:

I agree with him on the Wii U price cut. $300 for Deluxe set and $250 for basic would give the console a boost.

I also agree about the support for 3DS. When 3DS release back in 2011, there were a lot of titles coming from Tecmo Koei, Namco, Ubisoft, EA, THQ, Activision, and Konami. Now I just see Namco Bandai, Sega, Square Enix, and Capcom supporting the system for years to come.



th3r3ds0x said:

While I'm not giving up on Nintendo (never could) I was actually planning to get both the next gen systems at launch. I'm really turned off by Microsoft right now though so I believe for now at least ill only pick up the PS4. Funny last gen my collection was very heavy on the 360 with just a sprinkling of PS3. This gen looks to be the opposite.



XFsWorld said:

I agree with him on the Wii U price cut. $300 for Deluxe set and $250 for basic would give the console a boost.

I also agree about the support for 3DS. When 3DS release back in 2011, there were a lot of titles coming from Tecmo Koei, Namco, Ubisoft, EA, THQ, Activision, and Konami. Now I just see Namco Bandai, Sega, Square Enix, and Capcom supporting the system for years to come.



SkywardCrowbar said:

Wii U price cut is fine, but his prediction about Wii U sales is garbage. Same with his thoughts on the 3DS.

Why does anyone ever pay attention to this guy?



C7_ said:

Industry analyst predictions are not news, they're opinions meant only to be seen by investors. Pachter is paid to help those playing the stock market and to put his personal opinions in with it, and his guess is only slightly better than anyone else's despite the fact that he's shown an immense amount of ignorance time and time again. If he truly believed in everything he said, he would stop being paid to make guesses and play the market himself.

As it stands, these statements are just that; guesses by a man paid to guess. All the facts he brought up are common knowledge, and the rest is how he rather troll-baitingly interprets them (as he normally does). They are in no way news, and continually posting his 'work' on here only gets peopled riled up over nothing. Please stop posting it, as every single time I see this I immediately think "pointless controversy for free site hits" and this is in no way relevant to what will actually happen to the industry, even if he somehow turns out to be right.



MrWalkieTalkie said:

"We continue to expect handheld hardware sales to decline over the next few years"

I have just one word for you: POKEMON



SkywardCrowbar said:

To clarify, I agree with that I think there will be a $50 price cut for the Wii U. I don't think there should be, though. Once the Wii U has tons of quality games come out through September, people will want to buy the console for $350.



SanderEvers said:

And yes, stop posting this. Really there is no need.

ONE. It will upset fans which will lead to hundreds of angry comments.
TWO. He's in with Microsoft, as he used to work for them.
THREE. He will never make a game for a Nintendo console.

So ignore and forget (about) him.



Crazybrain1 said:

I know that's his job (to analyze and predict trends), but I feel he's forgetting that the world is not just America and Europe. In fact, Nintendo is doing awesome in Japan.



SanderEvers said:

He's like a weatherman that predicts a rainy day that will turn out to be the best day of the year.

And Nintendolife is the silly kid that runs out wearing a rain-suit and holding an umbrella.



RR529 said:

I agree with him on the Wii U. A price cut & some great games turned the 3DS around during the 2011 Christmas season, so Nintendo would be smart to do the same with the Wii U.

Also, the lack of EA games is a blow. While many of us here don't like them, it's an undeniable fact that they are a major driving force in the industry, for better or worse.

It's also been known for awhile that "casual" gamers (which made up a large portion of Wii owners) have moved on to tablets & smartphones, so yes, he's right about Wii U not emulating Wii's success. (not that it will be a flop in any way)

Also, I can see where he's coming from in terms of 3DS. While Japanese developers are sticking with it, we are seeing many games not making the jump across the sea, and besides indies, there isn't much interest from western devs.



ungibbed said:

Considering the possible prices that Sony and Microsoft may be at, I doubt a price drop this early in the Wii U life span would be a wise thing to do. Not only will it send the wrong message to the consumer to believe the Wii U is truly dead and that Nintendo is ready to give in so soon. They should stick to their guns and get some games out the door. Even if they are more ports of current generation titles while working on projects that will push the system visually and look like a true next generation system.



TruenoGT said:

Even if he's right and while I hate to see the dedicated video game market shrink overall, I'm OK if it becomes the niche market it once was in certain ways. Digital delivery and self-publishing make it easier for small budget games (where innovation is happening)... I think the biggest loss will be the big budget games, which haven't really interested me in years anyways. If the 3DS and Wii U have less games overall, but these games are focused on dedicated gamers, I don't think things will change for us much. There always will be SOME market and as long as companies like Nintendo, XSEED, etc try to serve it, we'll continue to see awesome games even if there's less opportunity for the so-called AAA stuff.



rb5776 said:

Does this guy ever say anything bad about Microsoft or Sony? All I ever hear is about how bad Nintendo is currently doing and will continue to do. While I'm somewhat interested in PS4, I could care less about Xbox One. I think Microsoft really burned some bridges with their reveal.



SanderEvers said:

Well to be a bit more on-topic:

1. A 3DS isn't for casual games. Games like angry birds, cut the rope are best played on a smartphone or tablet.
2. A tablet isn't for hardcore games. Games like Fire Emblem, Mario, Pokémon would stink on it.
3. The Wii U isn't doomed. Just wait until E3.
4. EA is going to make games, including FB 3 games, for the Wii U.
5. A price cut would be nice, and it might work (it has worked for both the 3DS and the Vita) but we also need some awesome new games. (See point 3)
6. The XBOX ONE and PS4 will also sell less than last generation consoles (Wii, XBOX 360, PS3) as the simple fact that they'll be 500-600 dollar/euro.
7. The XBOX ONE reveal stank so much I'm certain I will never get one.
8. Pokémon.
9. Wait until E3.
10. Well.. just for fun



BrightBeing said:

If I see this guy plastered all over the internet singing the doom of Nintendo one more time, I'm going to scream, I swear!



ultraraichu said:

I guess universal company price cut stirs up more of a sale then retail store price cuts/ sales since every week or so there's some type of sale on a Wii U game but no one acknowledge it and yet complants they're too expensive. I guess when Microsoft and Sony release the msrp for their console and games, we see what's what.

I guess casual games are good with smartphone since almost everyone has one anywhere they go, it's good for quick fun, and it free if you dont count in-app purchases.



rennandovale said:

Only one more week, and then i think i will don't have to read so many biased articles like this. ( he didn't talk nonthing about all people complaining about Xboxone ). Sorry for my english.



Deadstanley said:

I know some prefer tablets and phones as a gaming platform. I've tried it, hated it, and will never adapt to it. So I appreciate the 3DS and all it's accomplished.



Einherjar said:

The next "Nintendo Direct" has the potential, to make many of these "fortune tellers" eat their words...WITHOUT ketchup!
Also: NOTHING is a good substitute for a dedicated gaming handheld / home console. Especially nothing without physical buttons.
Someone get this prachter guy two copies of MegaMan X. One on a regular gaming system and the iOS port. If he still thinks that "gaming" can thrive on things like that...good news mr. prachter, you are immune to apoplectic strokes...



BetweenTheTrees said:

predicts incorrectly. wasn't the wii doomed? but it was the highest selling console last gen. and he is still predicting the doom of the 3ds? i know more than a hand full of people buying the 3ds just because of animal crossing and many more people for pokemon.



Captain_Balko said:

I always wondered if Pachter actually truly believes in what he is saying or not. I mean, how would he react when the Wii U picks up after E3 and begins doing very well? Would he say "whatever" because he never meant what he said, or would he be shocked and perhaps angry... who knows?



AlternateButtons said:

He may be doing his job.....but that doesn't mean he's doing it right. The man has a clear bias against Nintendo.



grimbldoo said:

Also says gamers see tablet and mobile as "perfect substitutes" for 3DS

Because monster hunter would play so smoothly on a tablet.



takyon98 said:

what most people(even pachter) aren't under standing is, if one of the big 3 fall..WE'RE DOOMED cause they all contribute the same amount to the gaming industry.

but nintendo.. PLEASE get the indie and 3rd party titles on the wiiU i really hate saying this but we might have to get EA back if we want those 3rd party titles (or if GTA V comes out on it) cause i want people to know that its not just a beefed up ps3, its a next gen also hoping that indie devs start making games on it



Rattle86 said:

So, if Pachter says that there will be a price cut...
Stop giving so much importance to Pachter, NL



Chrono_Cross said:

Pachter brings all the uneducated replies to the yard!

And he's like they're better than yours!



takyon98 said:


i agree with all that you said but the pricing of the PS4 and XBO
i'm guessing there just barely make it under the $500 price point cause (not really expecting ps4 to do this as much as XBO will) they might make dumb down ver.(2GB of memory xDD) and have people buy special HDD's for your console so thats gonna be your money maker. im not being a fanboy for them im just saying that this will be a huge possibility



antdickens said:

It is only opinion, but the man does have quite a bit of logic. Any fanboy, including Nintendo ones, often simply dismiss things they don't want to hear. He's not talking rubbish, but it is only a prediction without any insider knowledge.



Pikachupwnage said:

"We continue to expect handheld hardware sales to decline over the next few years, as many non-traditional gamers consider smartphone and tablet games a perfect substitute for casual games played on dedicated handheld hardware. While we believe this news is bad for third-party game publishers focused on the Nintendo 3DS, <b>there are few publishers remaining who are focused in any meaningful way on the 3DS.</b>"

Level 5
Warner Bros
Sqaure Enix
Namco Bandai

All giving 3DS Good-Out of this world support



crazyj2312 said:

I personally don't think I'll ever see the iOS as a viable option for video gaming, let alone an overall substitute.



SCAR said:

How many times do we have to go through this same scenario? Hardcore gamers will always disagree with this guy. Phones are a good medium, but it will NEVER measure up to an actual gaming machine. There is no such thing as a casual gamer without the hardcore gamers.
Price cuts are only considerable if the console is actually losing steam, and Wii U hasn't even really tried yet. Once the summer console update rolls up with the games, there won't be a need for a price cut. Not to mention that Nintendo has a pretty open platform now.
All these statements are foolhardy, until stuff really hits the fan.



Bobhobob said:

While I disagree about his comments on the 3DS, I have to agree with him on the price cut. For a lot of my friends, the reason they don't have a Wii U yet is because the price is too high. A price cut would help. Maybe packaging the current deluxe with NSMBU and Ninty Land for 350, then a 50 dollar cut on everything else would help out. However, the 3DS is doing very well sales wise, with a lot of HUGE titles on the horizon. Therefore, I don't see mobile as much of a threat.



SCAR said:

Granted, you can't have the hardcore audience without the casuals either, but saying one is better than 2, when their markets are actually different, is kinda neglecting the actual appeal of one or the other.
No core gamer would ever choose anything but a gaming device for games. That's just the way it is.
EA already said they do in fact, have games coming for Wii U. That leads me to think these statements are out of date.



rjejr said:

Predicting video game hardware price cuts is like predicting rain. It's going to rain eventually, and console prices always come down eventually.

As one of the louder - WiiU is doomed voices (I never said Nintendo is doomed, they have Mario and Pokemon, they could survive an asteroid impact by selling games to the surviving cockroaches) I think we'll learn alot more in about a week. Though we won't learn everything b/c Sony and MS will probably not give us prices yet. And Nintendo may show a lot of games but I don't have a lot of faith in them meeting any type of imaginary deadline they supply. So the race will continue for at least another 8 or 9 months until we tally the holiday totals.

Oh, and WiiU can sell half as many units as Wii did but still do better in my mind by selling twice as many games. I'm pretty sure PS3 and Xbox had better game averages per console than Wii had. And X1 may make more money selling Live gold subscriptions so people can watch fantasy football than money selling games. Well disc games, they could clean up w/ $20 DL kinect games for the kids.



AugustusOxy said:

Lol, Pachter is talking again. Someone shut him up. I bet he didn't predict the Wii-u purchase jump as a result of just how god awful the Xbox One's presentation was. Nintendo is going to be standing once the smoke clears, sony and microsoft are going to be fighting for scraps.



slim80 said:

he forgot to say,that after ea said that about a week later they said they are making games for wii u lol



C-Olimar said:

Wii U sales of 50 million seem about right. A little generous considering his position on the console.
People purchasing another console alongside Wii U? Obviously.
Smartphones affecting 3DS? Perhaps not as extremely as he is expecting, but certainly, yes.
Sales of 85 million for EACH of the other consoles? Ridiculous. Stupidest thing in this report.
An insanely biased and deluded reaction from fanboys? A given.



dc_10 said:

"He's like a weatherman that predicts a rainy day that will turn out to be the best day of the year.
And Nintendolife is the silly kid that runs out wearing a rain-suit and holding an umbrella."




Xcape_DuCkMAN_X said:

What, this guy again? My fellow Nintendoheads (Yes I went there), why bother? Old man Pachty is like a bad rash!! E3 will be that ointment we will need to make him go away, especially when he realises how much the Xbox One will stumble along the way!



Arcamenel said:

I don't think the Wii U needs a price cut to be honest. That's assuming the PS4 and One will be much pricier considering everything they do aside from gaming. If there isn't much of a gap then I see a price cut coming. However that won't do anything without games. If I'm not mistaken the Vita got a price cut in Japan and while sales went up the week of the price cut they went back to less than decent afterwards.



sr388survivor said:

Apparently he thinks PS4 will be $350 and XBox One will be $400. That seems completely unrealistic to me given the specs of those consoles but you can see why he thinks the Wii U needs a price cut.



SCAR said:

Quite the contrary, actually. Just because we're not known figures in the industry, doesn't mean we don't have our own opinions and perspectives on this whole situation.



bassoongoon said:

"He [Pachter] feels that the Wii U could see a reduction of $50 in North America as Nintendo aims to boost sales... He says that such a move should come before the holiday season."

I have been anticipating something like this for quite some time. It would be wise of Nintendo to do a price cut in order to emphasize the likely advantage Wii U will have of being the least expensive current generation console.

"We continue to believe that Nintendo misfired with the Wii U, and believe that the next-generation of consoles will see a market share shift from Nintendo platforms to Microsoft and Sony platforms."

Honestly I cannot see that many people shifting to Microsoft after the X-Box One reveal. If Nintendo loses anybody to another company, it would be to Sony. That said, I think this holiday season will mark a renaissance for the Wii U.

"In the aggregate, we think that the installed base of next-generation of home consoles at a similar point in the cycle will be smaller than the current generation, likely by 10-20%."

This seems like a very reasonable claim to me.

"However, the composition will be much different, with Sony and Microsoft each selling 85- 100 million home consoles (compared to approximately 75 million each in the current cycle)..."

Honestly I do not see any of the current generation consoles selling this much. MAYBE Sony will, but I highly doubt that the X-Box One will sell this well.

"... Nintendo selling 50 million or fewer (compared to approximately 100 million in the current cycle)."

This also seems like a reasonable claim to me. I think Wii U will sell better than the game cube, but not nearly as well as Wii. 40 million if I had to make a rough, uninformed guess.

"We continue to expect handheld hardware sales to decline over the next few years, as many non-traditional gamers consider smartphone and tablet games a perfect substitute for casual games played on dedicated handheld hardware."

Seems like a good assumption.

"While we believe this news is bad for third-party game publishers focused on the Nintendo 3DS, there are few publishers remaining who are focused in any meaningful way on the 3DS."

This statement just seems flat out incorrect. The 3DS is doing quite well.

I don't know why there is all the soreness towards Pachter. Disagree with him all you want, but he is just doing is job: analysis. His statements are just his analysis based on what he knows. In terms of consoles I am a Nintendo exclusive gamer. I am also a fan of the 'Pach-Attack!' show. I think that for the most part he provides accurate, humorous analysis of the gaming industry. Of course he does occasionally say things that seem bizarre to me (like his prediction of how well the Sony/Microsoft consoles will sell and his statements about the 3DS), but I do not understand the anger directed towards Mr. Pachter. He is just doing his job. I am sure he is probably a pretty good guy.



LasermasterA said:

Woah this guy again? Doesn't he know that EA renegaded on their words and will publish some games on the Wii U (I hope they are not crappy ports like Fifa 13)

He is predicting the 3DS doom despite its repeated success? For me, a smartphone can never be a replacement for a dedicated handheld device. Also, I really don't think that Nintendo will need to price cut the Wii U as it is fairly obvious that the PS4 and Xbone will surpass its pricing. Even if those 2 sell the console for a loss, games will be expensive. Looking at the situation this way there is no way those 2 consoles will sell 85 million, the price point is going to be too high for that. In the end, the Wii U will be the most successful console late 2013



mjhopkins81 said:

I don't predict good things for Microsoft's XBONE, primarily because it will completely lose the Japanese market, if not the European market, as well. The PS4 is highly popular in all three regions, and will have great success after the price drops; the XBONE, however, will really only sell well in the American market, if it sells well, at all. It's basically an overpriced CableBox One.

He is correct about losing non-traditional gamers. Nintendo is really the only company of the Big Three that is courting "gamers," in the traditional sense, and is largely eschewing the social approach taken by Sony and Microsoft. That's not a bad thing. But, it would be nice to get some more games (that weren't made prior to 2008).



Drewroxsox said:

I personally don't see Nintendo giving the Wii U a price cut, unless pikmin 3 doesn't drive sells. They really pissed off a lot of early adopter when they gave the 3ds a price cut, but they made up for it by giving out free games. Maybe they'll do the same thing again if there is a price cut?



Phatosaurus said:

I don't see people rushing out to upgrade their 360/PS3 for a Xbone/PS4. Not with so many popular titles being cross platform (CoD, FIFA, MADDEN).




sinalefa said:

I can also try this prediction business. Here I go:

Whenever Pachter talks about Nintendo, he will say their market share will diminish and he will later be proven wrong by experience. Damien will make a note about it on Nintendo Life and it will get 100+ comments.

See you next time when this comes true. It will be the umpteenth time already.



AVahne said:

Pachter again? So how much money is he making from spouting hogwash this time?
Well, as someone who games on both 3DS and Android, mobile gaming is still FAR from being a "perfect substitute" for 3DS.
Also if there are any mobile gamers here looking for a decent MMORPG, try Avabel Online!



AVahne said:

Also still surprised he's thinking the XBone and PS4 will sell so much. Many of the sales for those consoles are for casual purposes once they dropped in price. The western "hardcore" console market isn't quite that big. I can see developers continuing to develop games for the PS360 along with the 8th gen consoles, so if games are still coming for the old consoles what's the point in upgrading? And for many people, they would already have a PS3 for Blu ray and HD Internet video services or a 360 also for HD Internet video services. There are not enough reasons for there to be over 80 million sales of either the PS4 or XBone in 7-8 years.



AVahne said:

It has in Japan. The price cut and the release of a couple big name games boosted sales for a couple weeks in Japan...before dropping back down to the usual low 10k-ish sales per week.



JackdaRipper said:

I agree with the price cut, but touch screen tablets are not and have not been any interest to me.



TheLilK98 said:

I honestly don't know why he keeps getting paid, he's almost always wrong. But IF there is a price cut, I sincerely hope they'll be another ambassador program.



hYdeks said:

Stop giving this moron a voice. NintendoLife, be the bigger man and stop publishing articles with this guy. All he does is hype how great Sony and Microsoft is (which there not) and craps on us Nintendo fans.

Take a poll, I bet most people that go to this site would rather ignore what he says, than to get one more article about him. Do what does lately, focus on the positive, ignore Pachter.



JaxonH said:

Unfortunately, and it pains me to say this, but Patcher's right. It's highly unlikely the Wii U will see more than 50 million sales this gen. Think about it for a second. Everyone I know has a Wii, and I do mean EVERYONE. But 9 out of 10 of those people don't play it anymore, sold it, or are planning to sell it. Why? Because it's not fun anymore. Why isn't it fun? Because the games they have all suck!! Family Party 30 Great Games, Guitar Hero, Wii Music, Wii Play, etc... These people bought a Wii because it was a fad, the thing to do at the time. But these people know nothing of gaming, and haven't a clue what a good game even looks like! It's no wonder they have no interest in buying a Wii U. And the ones that DO end up buying a new system buy Xbox360s and PS3s, because they don't even know the Wii U exists! It's unfortunate, but it's the truth. That's why I do my part and tell EVERYONE about the Wii U, and inform them of the games that actually warrant a purchase. One gamer at my work is even buying one now that he knows what it is. That's one extra sale for Nintendo. If everyone spread the word to the people they know and work with, we as fans can help carry Nintendo through this rough patch, which is in our own best interest as sales will help ensure the continuity of the Nintendo home console, as well as bring more 3rd parties to the table, and allow riskier franchise endeavors by the Big N




I like how this person has A LOT to say about the Wii U but he hasn't said a word about his favorite company Mircosoft after the Xbox One Reveal That's all I got to say screw this rich person that thinks he actually knows something about video games.



Technosphile said:

Maybe when the xbone (this guy's pick for Gen 8 champion) fails miserably, people will finally stop listening to his "expert analysis".

Also: does he seriously believe console sales will improve for everyone BUT Nintendo? What a maroon..



KnightRider666 said:

I agree on the following things about the Wii U: Nintendo misfired, it seems to keep losing 3rd party support, we will see a $50 price and better bundles by the end of the year, and if it keeps losing support; it will end up being a 1st party support only system(aside from 3rd party retail shovelware, and indie developers on the eshop). I do hope things turn around for it by the end of the year so it can compete w/ Sony. I do think Microsoft hurt themselves royally during the unveiling ceremony though, as well as insulting gamers about still wanting backwards compatibility. I don't agree on the 3DS losing steam to mobile gaming and smart tablets. If in fact it does lose any steam, it will be minor.



SavageBlackWolf said:

I'm an analyst, too. I predict Pachter will say anti Nintendo stuff. Now pay me!
Pachter's clients need to invest in crows. He sure as ell eats enough of em.



Nico07 said:

Pachter is a broken record on Nintendo, and yet for some reason I still watch Pach Attack on Gametrailers. I think he is a little out of touch with reality on Nintendo.



strongest_link said:

The Wii U almost certainly won't sell as many units as the Wii, but I think it's ridiculous to think that The XB1 and PS4 are likely to outsell their predecessors either. The whole industry is going to need to hunker down for the next few years. Oh, and what is he talking about with the 3DS? The system is selling very well. Why doesn't this guy ever criticize Sony for the Vita?



thepitt said:

Good! Consoles are way too expensive today. I usually wait 2-3 years after the initial release to buy a console, but if the price is right I might invest sooner especially due to the fact that Nintendo's consoles have a very low failure rate compared to the Sony and Microsoft consoles. I've only had ONE Nintendo console ever die on me and that is because my house got struck by lightening!



XavandSo said:

I smell a Revolution coming. Not the revolution we loved back in 2006, a different revolution where gamers from around the world will rise up and thwart the scum of gaming, anti-consumer practices, such as DRM. And Nintendo's glorious next-gen console will lead the charge and we'll be done by Christmas. The demon-people denounce the revolution... They will burn in the fire of our victory!



Ichiban said:

Is it 2011 again?
Hmm i guess that since the Xbox one hype is over everyone is back on the nintendo hate train again eh?



Yoshis_VGM said:

Pachter is free to suck it. The 3DS is on fire and it's not showing any signs of stopping. The Wii U will start flying off the shelves too once it gets it's first party games. Nintendo instinctively made the GamePad a tablet because they knew that this console generation was going to face competition from tablets.

Pachter claims he's a Nintendo fan, but I think his predictions say otherwise.



Epicnessofme99 said:

The Wii U won't need a price-cut, the PS4 and Xbox one are going to be much more expensive considering the hardware specs, all the Wii U needs are the games which we already have release dates for, it's just a matter of time. As for the second comment the 3DS is an actual console, whereas a tablet or smartphone is a multimedia device, sure they can provide games, but those games are no comparison for an actual full-blown retail game.



armoredghor said:

Ah, nintendolife without Michael Pachter is like Superman without Lex Luthor. It's awesome if you read his predictions like dr. evil from Austin Powers. It is great to see the comments; I lolled so many times. @meowgravy nice! (I can't remember far enough back to respond to all the others)



banacheck said:

totally agree the Wii U will seeing a price cut by the end of the year, the prices of Next-Gen consoles are going to be quite a bit cheaper. E3 i think is a week away everyone will see the prices for themselves than hopefully, this can only be good news for people that want a Wii U.



Trikeboy said:

It's obvious that he gets a backhander from Microsoft and Sony. 3DS is still going strong and Nintendo should have the games out this year for Wii U. If they drop the ball on game releases then the Wii U would be in trouble but they have a strong line up. Also, if it goes first party only, would it be such a bad thing? No shovel ware and a console full of quality Nintendo titles.



Prof_Elvin_Gadd said:

Personally, I have an iPhone 5 and love it. However, I hate gaming on it. Handheld game devices might become a bit more niche in the West but they will always dominate in the homeland.

If the Wii U sees a price cut, no big deal. The more people that have the console, the better for those that already do. We just need some games! Pikmin 3 can't come out soon enough.



danschemen said:

I'm willing to bet that he originally thought that the Wii was going to be a failure. Nintendo just needs more games out.



TheAdza said:

My son barely touches his 3DS ever since I got him an iPhone. That will surely change when we both get the new Pokémon game, but other than that he is not interested in any thing other than the hundreds of free terrible games on his phone.

SO I kind of have to agree with Pachter on something. Makes me feel a bit dirty actually.



Pink_Floyd said:

I have never heard of this guy until this article. I looked up his past commentary and boy he is all doom and gloom. Ones like this do not need ANY attention.

PS I singed up today for this great site. So far it's been hands down the best Nintendo news site.



Trikeboy said:

@TheAdza Yeah, Patcher seems to forget that Pokemon is coming. That game is guaranteed to sell the 3DS. I sent Patcher an email and twitter asking what he predicts after Pokemon is released and he didn't reply. He knows it will be a hit but can't come out and say good things about Nintendo.



Mizzah_Tee said:

Funny how he left out the Vita. Maybe he just forgot about it being a handheld. That's understandable.



Mizzah_Tee said:

@Cosmo810 He is. That's his shtick. Do you know any other analysts by name? He trolling for attention and there is little downside to trolling Nintendo. He knows that. We continue to give this hack attention. And that's all he cares about. He doesn't care about being right just about being heard. Being th best know analyst gets him more clients and more money.



3DGamerDude said:

I hate to hear the Wii U isn't selling that well, but I'm all for lowering the price if it means there'll be another ambassador program. I want some free downloads!



biglittlejake said:

Well, duh..... N can't put all their faith in a gimmick and think it will sell two consoles in a row. This Gamepad scares none gamers away from the Wii U. I don't see people buying this like they did the Wii. With the Wii hospitals and assisted living places used them for therapy and exercise. I mean doctors know of the Wii, not gonna happen with the Wii U. I think N took a step back, they were trying to give us better graphics, but forgot about games. I am tired of all the promises. I am actually on the fence of making this a dust collector or sell this. I have seen the future and its Sony. I just don't know yet if I will sell or make it a dust collector. I did just order Need For Speed, Madden, and NBA Wii U so maybe this will get me through.



ron4540 said:

If the Wii U was sold as an HD device without the tablet for a cheaper price, we'd be doing much better. Of course the first party games are needed too (although they are coming soon). Perhaps Nintendo would consider selling the Wii U without the tablet at a cheaper price point, with the tablet becoming a 149-dollar accessory for those wanting the second screen experience. Many people have no need for the second screen or off-TV play. All they want is HD and access to the new games.



SushiGummy said:

Patcher can see a lot of things. But can he see why kids love Nintendo 3DS?

Because it has more than one button. Also it has games that last longer than three minutes.



Trikeboy said:

People shouldn't count out Nintendo. They have incredible staying power. Last gen, the least powerful machine won even Patcher thought it would win. PS3 had a terrible launch and, just like Wii U, it took a long time for the best games to come out. I got my PS3 for the Blu Ray player, the games didn't interest me at the time. Now I have a few PS3 games because the good ones finally came out. It will be the same for Wii U.

@SushiGummy Not just games, but fun games. I am really enjoying Luigi's Mansion 2 right now.



Schprocket said:

If I read that he has also basted Microsoft's "always online" BS then maybe I'd give the guy some cred but I can't be bothered tracking down his writings.

What I'm expecting is that Pachter has got a baseball-like "World-Series" mentality in terms of his analyses - the world ends where the "big-water" starts.

Not everyone in the world has a US urban network infrastructure - heck I know for a fact that there's still parts of the US with worse internet than even I have - so the XBOne is likely to be a hit mainly in the "World-series" urban world and anywhere else in the world where internet bandwidth is wide and cheap.

Similarly, who has the dough to buy a 4k TV to get the best out of the PS4?
Sony gambles every time, trying to get the cart and the horse to appear simultaneously but this amateur analyst does not see the feature being used until prices drop rapidly and broadcasting standards are again revised. Oops, cart before the horse...
The general public have really only just gotten comfortable with the current HD standard - never mind 3D - after years of SD.

My take on Mike Pachter is that he's a technology-consumerist - if it doesn't cost a squillion and promises you crap you don't yet need or can afford, then he ain't happy.



Yoshis_VGM said:

@ron4540 They will not sell the Wii U without the GamePad. The GamePad is the main controller of the Wii U, they can't really sell the console without the controller. Besides, if they just used the Wii remotes again as the main controllers, it would basically be a worthless upgrade.



Funbunz said:

@ron4540 That move would really hurt the chances of developers actually using the game pad for anything useful in a game. They can't have it do something necessary for game play if not everyone has one. While I'm still not entirely sold on the pad myself, Nintendo can't stop using it now.



DualWielding said:

The Wii U is in a bad position, but its crazy to think the Xbox One is any better off after how bad its unveiling went



GreenDream said:

No, there is no logic at all in Pachter's statements. Once again, he is just pulling numbers, events, and figures out of thin air to suit his tastes. He is not even making any educated guesses. He's also likely paid by Microsoft to steer investors towards them, and feigns neutrality to make him seem legitimate.

He was a shill ten years ago, and he's still a shill now. The general media thinks he's a reputable source of information just because he is a celebrity.



StarDust4Ever said:

Yeah, and I'm sure that Patcher is perfectly fine with the fact that Xbox One prohibits resale of games.



SanderEvers said:

@ferthepoet I don't think the Wii U is in a bad position at all. The Wii U is selling better than the GC in the same time. And the Wii U sales did get a boost when the XBOX 1 was revealed.

So yes, let's talk about that new XBOX. It's a joke of a console. MS should stop releasing hardware (consoles and other) and just stick to the software. Just make Halo & Rareware games for Wii U and PS4.



GreenDream said:

Check the comments section of these articles, too. There are some inconvenient truths that Pachter is completely ignoring.

Wii U is struggling, but this is generally a time of struggle within the industry as a whole. Considering the situation it's in, the Wii U is doing better within it's first few months than the Xbox360 or PS3 did, even though they launched at a time of enormous growth within the industry as a whole.

Anyone remember the terrible launch window lineup for those two? The PS2 was selling better than the PS3 when it launched! That situation is probably going to be relatively repeated for the Xbox 360 and Xbox Boned!



GreenDream said:

Pachter should be more concerned about Sony, they are hemorrhaging money nonstop, and they are struggling to bandage the wounds. The Vita is failing everywhere outside of Japan. The PS3 is not earning them as healthy of profits as they need. They are completely banking on the PS4 for their games business. They are even going as far as selling their assets, and consolidating the rest of their entertainment related businesses into a separate organization, because they can no longer afford to operate as they have been. Those are signs of crisis.

Sony is the one in trouble, not Nintendo. If they don't pull themselves together, the 8th generation is going to be their last in the games industry.



Kibs said:

It's pretty obvious this guy knows sh*t, how does this guy have a job?



nik1470 said:

So on a professional basis only why put this out a week before E3. I don't care how connected he says he is, he's not that connected. Plus everyone on every website is hating on the xbone so why does predict they will do as well as Sony.



Megumi said:

...3DS sales declining....Pfffft, yeah right. They'll skyrocket or something once Yoshi, Pokemon, and Zelda hit.



GreenDream said:

It is disingenuous to say that analysts these days do not have ample access to insider information upon which to base their predictions. With the advent of digital markets, sales metrics are increasingly being hidden from public view, and are increasingly becoming privatized.

There is no reason to believe he would not be privy to direct lines to Microsoft and Sony intel reports. He's just acting as their mouthpieces.



GreenDream said:

The 3DS is tearing up the sales charts in Japan, and it will do so even more come this holiday season. The Wii U will probably continue to not do too well there until Monster Hunter 4 releases.

If you want to report on an analyst's comments in an article, make it this one by Asif Khan, it is far more interesting than anything Pachter offers.



Peach64 said:

@Melkaticox Except that's not what he said. That's NLife trying to sum up. What he said is...

"We continue to expect handheld hardware sales to decline over the next few years, as many non-traditional gamers consider smartphone and tablet games a perfect substitute for casual games played on dedicated handheld hardware".

He's not saying nobody is going to buy a 3DS, he's not saying Pokemon will not be a huge hit, he's saying less people will buy a 3DS than the amount of people that bought a DS, because a certain chunk of the market, the non-traditional gamers, are happy with their iphones instead. People just like to get mad at him, but he's not saying anything crazy. Pachter is always saying himself, he does not make predictions, he makes assumptions. You can't predict, too many things will change. His job is to tell investors, 'look, if things continue this way...', and right now, the Wii U is selling worse than any console since the Sega Saturn, so that's why he's suggesting Nintendo will cut the price. I'd say that's pretty fair logic!



GreenDream said:

@Peach64 "Wii U is selling worse than any console since the Sega Saturn"

That is patently FALSE.

The Wii U is not doing great, but considering the situation, it's not doing bad.

Pachter is not using any logic at all. Assumptions are non-professional acts based on personal beliefs, predictions are professional acts based on raw, accurately aggregated data from multiple reputable sources. To say predictions cannot be made, just because no one can tell the future, is a cop out.

He is not even attempting to accurately aggregate data and construct a well laid out blueprint of trends and conditions throughout the industry, past and present. That's something other analysts do all the time for industry professional sites, yet Pachter is not nearly as meticulous as any other analyst reporter I have seen on sites like Gamasutra and

Can you imagine if the international weather service suddenly stopped predicting hurricanes, tornadoes, tsunamis, extreme lightning storms, and blizzards, just because "predictions cannot be made, too many things can change"? They don't have the luxury to joke about making assumptions. Human lives are at stake in that case, and in this case, millions of dollars are at stake. Pachter shouldn't be joking around about "I don't make predictions, I make assumptions" when you've got millions of dollars on the line. Most people would be fired for talking like that.



DiSTANToblivion said:

I get more Nintendo hate here now from these never-ending articles then what I do at IGN. That seems so wrong.



Luffy said:

nintendo will drop the price of the basic version directly after e3 this was all but confirmed already like 4 weeks ago.



DiSTANToblivion said:

The guy is a moron. Smartphones and tablets taking over, going to destroy handhelds? Are you serious? Has this 'professional' even seen 3DS sales? He bases all his 'professional' knowledge on assumptions and biased opinions. ...actually the only thing he gets right is the price cuts.



FineLerv said:

Just like last gen, casual gamers will buy an X-Box for their CODs and sports games, and hardcore gamers will get all three consoles, or one beefcake console and a Wii U.



citizenerased said:

I actually agree with him on console predictions, for once. Nintendo's unlikely to re-capture the casual/non-gamer with their ipads (unless they change course on marketing) and have lost many "hardcore" graphics-fetishists. That leaves Nintendo fans, some families and hardcore gamers who still play Nintendo games (Wii U will be their secondary system). 50 million sounds about right.

PS4 and Xbone will likely do better, but will cost a lot (both companies are likely to make losses on consoles sold). Creativity continues to slump as development costs continue to rise: sequel-land ahoy. Creativity will be found in indie titles, which don't need PS4/Xbone power, so hopefully plenty will come to Wii U.

I don't consider this a doom prediction, I don't think Nintendo will drop out of the race because they sell 50 million consoles. I wouldn't mind if they partner up with Sony, though, they'd be unstoppable.



citizenerased said:

@GreenDream Everyone already reported on that when it happened. Microsoft's showing off their games at E3, it's only a week away.

(Not that I'm the slightest bit interested in, just saying that Xbone isn't doomed)



SomeBitTripFan said:

Honestly, whatever "logic" Patcher has, I cannot see it. From my understanding, the Wii U has been sold at a loss. While cutting the cost would boost sales, Nintendo would lose money. And while the number of consumers would be greater and profits made from software grander, it could still be a risky move that could overall still harm Nintendo. If I had the numbers, I could determine the risk.
Continuing, I don't see how he can predict such high sales for the Xbox One and PS4. On average, a household owns one MS or Sony console and one Nintendo console. The Wii had a giant combination of factors that allowed it to sell as well as it did; It was cheap, it offered something completely different from the competition, and featured powerful exclusives. I don't see anything about the PS4 or Xbox One that makes me want to buy either. Is it possible that I'll get a PS4, possibly; An Xbox One, not at all. And it seems I'm not the only one with this opinion. Since the reveal of the Xbox One, on Amazon UK the Wii U's sales spiked by 875%. As of right now, I cannot imagine the Xbox One possibly selling more units than the 360, based off of the consumer responce to the One. I'm in no way saying the One will fail, but I certainly don't see it selling 100 million units.
As for the handheld market, while I admit smartphone and tablet games may harm the handheld industry, they will not cripple the market, simply because what the two offer are so very different. I myself would argue smartphone and tablet "gaming" might help the handheld market by causing general consumers to become interested in gaming and yearn for deeper, more complex games not present on such platforms. Handhelds offer much more complex, deeper games: RPG's, Ridgid Action Games, various Action/Adventure games, or platformers. These kinds of games, for the most part require, quick, precise, and physical control schemes. Being able to control something without looking at your hands is a necessity to many genres of games. Some simple games can feel comfortable to play, but others are an absolute mess. Such technical problems could be solved, but still the target audience of handhelds versus tablets or smartphones is still drastically different.
Tablets and smartphones are designed for nothing in particular other than the consumption of media, which consists of a large and various scope. Handhelds are designed to play games. So logically, the target audience of tablets or smartphones is the general consumer, while the target of handhelds are people who want to play games. To prove this point look at the game Gunman Clive on Android and iOS platforms. Upon being ported to the 3DS download platform, known as the eShop, it was able to outsell the total number of sales on both Android and iOS combined, despite the large number of high quality games competing with it on the eShop. Handheld gaming is in no way on the decline.
So to conclude this essay-of-a-comment, I would like to advise Patcher to not express his biased opinion, but do research, which doesn't include reading the Gamespot and IGN forums.



Volmun said:

erm.. BULL PLOP iv triyed phone/tablet gameing.... 3DS is a milion times better Hell even Vita is better (i am not the vita's bigest fan... mutch prefer my 3DS)



SomeBitTripFan said:

Also, in defence of my above post.

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Do not "flame" others. Blatantly offensive posts directed at others will not be tolerated. While we do allow members to debate and voice their own opinions, there will be a limit to how far a heated debate can go before it is closed by staff.

I have voiced my opinion through fact. While I have made some strong jabs at Patcher in my above comment, has he not taken jabs at me as a Nintendo fan?

“I don’t think Nintendo fans are so stupid they would buy a piece of cardboard. A box on the other hand, that says Nintendo on it, they probably would. Remember when you were a kid and you get gifts, and when you’re really little you like the box better than the gift? That’s how I think of Nintendo fanboys.”
-Michael Pachter

Thank you for you understanding. (Know that I am not saying this mockingly. I sincerely hope you will understand my view on this subject.)



Monkeyofthefunk said:

This guy has obviously never tried to play anything but a puzzle game on a touchscreen. Games on phones/tablets are horroble.
Why would anybody play a game on a mobile over a TV screen?
Our 14 year old daugher is always on her tablet watching TV or on Facebook etc and she has just been told that she needs glasses. Coincidence?



SCAR said:

Come on guys, this is Pachter. We all know he flips a coin, then doodles on a piece of paper and calls that his prediction.



Mk_II said:

Cor blimey, that Pachter fellow and I actually agree on something! I've been saying it for months: no price cut but attractively priced bundles with Mario Kart etc. where you basically get a free game instead of a 50$ price cut. An offer few will be able to refuse this holiday season



Geonjaha said:

"We imagine these predictions will trigger a fairly vitriolic reaction from most dedicated Nintendo fans, but let's not forget that Pachter is simply doing his job"

Do you guys feel the need to try and clear your names every time you post something from Pachter just for the outrage it creates?

"Oh, It's related to Nintendo!" - Yes, but so is every other analysts opinion, why are we only ever hearing about him?



marck13 said:

I don't agree with him and do sometimes worry about his sanity.
Or he is simply corrupted and bad in hiding it.
A thoughtful (or intelligent) analyst is more careful with under- and overestimation. Patcher on the other hands is in a constant struggle for attention, which he doesn't seem to achieve trough good work.
Sad.. my estimation is that I will just be able to copy/paste this comment to the following articles related to his predictions.



Gnoll said:

"there are few publishers remaining who are focused in any meaningful way on the 3DS."
Level-5? SEGA? Konami? Square Enix? Warner Bros.? What's the problem with this guy?



MrGawain said:

Personally I don't really have a problem with him saying the Wii U will sell yes than the Wii. It's a given.

But what really astonishes me is how he can say the other 2 will sell more? In my opinion this time round being a gamer will be more expensive, with more expensive consoles, more cost on online gaming, more DLC, more expensive games, charges on 2nd hand games and the fact THE REST OF THE WORLD IS MORE EXENSIVE THAN IT WAS 10 YEARS AGO.

I personally think less people will be buying BOTH the PS4 and the Oxobox, and some people will just sit playing their old consoles until something changes with these flawed new products or something better comes along.



Mattstewto said:

@rjejr 360 did ps3 didn't. Both Xbox and Xbox360 average 10 games per console life span. But if you are talking first party support than Nintendo crushes both especially Sony who hasn't averaged even one first party game per console.



doctor_doak said:

I don't see why this guy is given so much attention. He's quite clearly American-centric in his outlook and openly barracking for Microsoft... He's wrong that Wii U will get no 3rd party support if EA abandons ship as well. It's almost like he doesn't acknowledge that Japan exists. Capcom, Konami, Atlus, Namco, Sega, et al will likely support the console unless sales are dire.. Ubisoft, WB and a couple of others will also bring major 3rd party western games. He's making it sound more dire than it is..

He's entitled to his opinion, but it's obvious he really dislikes Nintendo.



real_gamer said:

Right now the Wii U is in big trouble. It's not surprising to see him make a comment about it. Nintendo themselves said they failed to communicate the Wii U to the masses and not releasing key titles on time to show the people how the Wii U is different from the Wii. I think starting July this will change.



SuperMinusWorld said:

Of course I disagree, this man is always pessimistic in terms of Nintendo's fortunes. He claims that the handheld market will "continue to decline" despite the fact that the 3DS is outpacing the DS. And he claims that developers aren't supporting the system in any meaningful way despite the fact that amazing studios like Shin'en, Level 5, WayForward, and Renegade Kid all have games planned or plan on developing for the system in the future. F***ing idiot. He's not doing his job when he's always forecasting gloom and doom for Nintendo and is always wrong about it.



Trikeboy said:

How many years has this guy been on Nintendo's case? And, how many years has Nintendo proved him wrong?



manic221 said:

Patcher is just a moron Nintendolife why do you insist on continuing to post this mans garbage?

He also thinks "next gen" will effect the sales of GTA V... This the level of intelligence where dealing with here... For love of god please NLife stop stooping so low and giving this guy the time of day.



kotetamer said:

I find it interesting that he said how EA has no games in development, which is a lie, they changed that statement after the Xbone reveal. He also is seeming to ignore a lot of the information led by poles regarding the Xbone, likely he's not taking into consideration the difficulty it's had breaking into markets outside of the US and how this is going to further strain those attempts. I don't put much faith in this man, he doesn't seem to look at all the facts and make a legitimate decision other than " oh yeah nintendo totally sucks right now."



SomeBitTripFan said:

@citizenerased :

I edited it for you. When I'm up late and angry, paragraphs are the last thing on my mind.

@Geonjaha :

“I don’t think Nintendo fans are so stupid they would buy a piece of cardboard. A box on the other hand, that says Nintendo on it, they probably would. Remember when you were a kid and you get gifts, and when you’re really little you like the box better than the gift? That’s how I think of Nintendo fanboys.”

-Michael Patcher

I can't help but agree with you. How is this just his job? He must have some personal bias against Nintendo fans, otherwise he wouldn't have made the above quote.

@kotetamer :

That's part of his bias. He's using only the information he wants, as any biased anyone would.



AJWolfTill said:

At the very least I think the handheld side of things is unrealistic. Whilst games companies are businesses, most game developers want to create games because it is what they love to do. While smaller studios may will switch to tablet devices, others will continue to bring out games that they want to create. The only decline in releases I have personally seen is that more tv/movie spinoff titles are being made for ios and not for consoles. Although this reflects a certain demographic the people making these games are usually hired to do so to cash in on hype and popularity.



Haywired said:

Yeah, well certainly in the quote that I saw, he pretty much said that he thought it was a very good console, but that it was completely pointless in the current handheld market and didn't stand a chance against Nintendo and smartphones.



bunnyking said:

Pachter isn't a legitimate source for anything having to do with the video game industry.

Why does any site still quote him, he has no legitimacy.



Gamer83 said:

With the crap direction Sony and MS appear headed I don't know why on Earth anybody would want to buy their new consoles. I'll admit I was going to buy a PS4 day one but now I have to wait until E3 to see if it's even worth considering anymore thanks to the anti-consumer policies of Sony. I'm still not overly impressed with Wii U either but at least Nintendo isn't actively trying to screw people over.



cheetahman91 said:

Pretty reasonable statements here. In terms of sales, he may or may not be right. I highly doubt that the Wii U anywhere near the Wii though.
"Also says gamers see tablet and mobile as "perfect substitutes" for 3DS"

Actually, if you read the article it says this:

"We continue to expect handheld hardware sales to decline over the next few years, as many non-traditional gamers consider smartphone and tablet games a perfect substitute for casual games played on dedicated handheld hardware."

He's not saying gamers as a whole. He's talking about the casuals. Yeah there's some dedicated gamers who do a lot of tablet gaming but I doubt that most feel this way, as shown by the comments.



UnseatingKDawg said:

How much smoke can one guy blow out his butt? How can a tablet or smartphone be a "perfect substitute" for a 3DS when they can't do half the stuff a 3DS can, especially game-wise? I mean, I play on my iPod once in a while, but I'm much more inclined to use my 3DS because it has better games and better controls for said games. Yeesh, enough with the doom and gloom already...



Neram said:

He's right about the whole mobile thing, but I mean just take a look at the non-traditional gamer, they will go to whatever is the most cheap and convenient platform for them, so it wouldn't be hard for Nintendo to win them over again in the future. It's not the end of the handheld as we know it.

I still don't know where he pulls these numbers from, there's no way the next generation systems will perform that well yet simultaneously be less popular than this generation. So much contradiction when it comes to Pachter.



kyuubikid213 said:

There is no way a $400 phone will replace a $200 handheld.
Sony and Microsoft haven't really put their fighters in the ring yet, so it's too early to determine how many systems either will sell.
And it's PACHTER. Come on,guys.



AlbertoC said:

Since i read his opinion at this very site not long ago I respect his opinions, part of his own work.

It doesn't mean that I agree completely with them, but I now understand that it isn't personal. It's his job.

EDIT: Especially at the mobile market > handheld market department. But it's people's general perception. I prefer my 3DS or a console over a tablet or phone any day of the week, but you could be surprised that some of my friends find traditional games "too complicated" or that they take "too much time". Some people just want to tap on the screen to boost at race games and flick their fingers to launch birds. Or "Cut the rope" or whatever. Short games with no learning curve that can be left anytime. But that's a general tendency that Pachter has just highlighted. I, for one, prefer full-fledged games and dedicated gaming hardware

EDIT THE SECOND: Uh, NL guys? Don't you think the subtitle is a bit misleading? This is perhaps what's adding logs to the fire:
Subtitle: Also says gamers see tablet and mobile as "perfect substitutes" for 3DS
Article: as many non-traditional gamers consider smartphone and tablet games a perfect substitute for casual games played on dedicated handheld hardware.



jorgem696 said:

@SilentHunter382 wellbthe 3DS dint still had good games and people still bought it and that also happen to the Vita in Japan when Sony dropped the price and Vita selling



Jaz007 said:

He is right that some of the casuals who bought the Wii will just be satisfied with their phones. A number of people will just keep being satisfied with their Wiis too. I have Mario Kart Wii. It's a good game espcially with freinds. I'm not getting Amy more Mario Kart though. I already have MK:Wii and that satisfy me, it will work fine for when I have freinds over. This is how it will be for many casuals too. They will be satisfied with what they have. Like me they don't care that much about the franchise and won't buy Wii U for it.



Noend said:

Lately Nintendo Life loves driving traffic with "guess what game isn't coming to Wii U" and Pachter threads. Must get them a lot of hits.

Did Nintendo Life get a new overlord site editor? It's a rather jarring change from meaningful content to this TMZ style reporting.

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