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Cliff Bleszinski Likens The Wii To A "Virus"

Posted by Damien McFerran

Outspoken designer agrees with earlier comment by ex-Epic colleague

Back in 2008, Epic's Mike Capps described the Wii as a "virus" which infected gamers in the short-term but didn't leave any lasting impression.

He said:

It's a virus where you buy it and you play it with your friends and they're like, "Oh my God that's so cool, I'm gonna go buy it." So you stop playing it after two months, but they buy it and they stop playing it after two months but they've showed it to someone else who then go out and buy it and so on.

Years later, former Epic colleague Cliff "CliffyB" Bleszinski has backed up Capps' assessment:

If I departed from Epic every time I said something dumb I wouldn’t have made it the last 10 years there. (P.S. Mike Capps was right…the Wii was a virus after all.)

Bleszinski rattled a few cages recently when he predicted a future where Nintendo only makes software, but he's no hater — he had positive things to say about the Wii U prior to its launch, and has repeatedly stated that he's a big fan of the company, having grown up playing Nintendo games.

Do you think Bleszinski — and Capps — have the right perspective on the Wii? While the console has provided a great many classic titles, it's fair to say that everyone knows at least one relative who bought one off the back of Wii Sports and used it for months rather than years.

When you shift almost 100 million units worldwide, is it not almost inevitable that some of those systems are going to be gathering dust in cupboards? Post a comment to tell us what you think.


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erv said:

I've got 1200 hours in monster hunter tri that seem to disagree.



ToxieDogg said:

I stopped playing Gears Of War after about 2 months, but carried on playing games on my Wii for a few years until I got a Wii U.

On saying that, ,he's right about a most of the casuals...they bought a Wii, played Wii Sports for a short while and then shelved the console once the novelty wore off without ever checking any other Wii games out.



Peach64 said:

I don't know if calling it a virus gives off the right message, but pretty much everyone I know bought a Wii, and most of them haven't touched them in 4 years.



Void said:

I can imagine a lot of people just left their Wii in a closet after having their fill of Wii Sports, but I don't personally know anyone who did.

And I'm kind surprised no one has been all like "He doesn't like Nintendo? He sucks!" yet.



yobucky said:

Yeah he's right about the casuals I guess? I love the Wii and played all the major exclusives to completion, but always felt it lacked the same depth of catalogue as the gamecube. Just about all of my favourite games of all time are from the gamecube, with the exception of the SMGs and Super Smash brawl. There was too much focus on new experiences when a lot of people actually just wanted more really good games and less Wii Music/ Wii Play/ Wii party.



R-L-A-George said:

Well some gamers have done that. Stop playing their Wii and go to playing their other consoles. Though even if I had PS3. I would be still playing the Wii if I had mor games for it.



DreamOn said:

In a few years there's gonna be so many Wii's next to DVD players in the thrift stores. The Wii was my least favorite N console.



FineLerv said:

Love the way people think their personal experiences are somehow indicative of everyone else's experience.

Do I say the same thing about the X-Box 360 because mine has been gathering dust for years? Is my opinion more valid because I have a few mates in the same boat as me? Ludicrous.



grenworthshero said:

I know it's happened to a lot of people and I think it's just coming to light now because we haven't really had any games worth mentioning released in the past year, and the WiiU has been out for half a year and it hasn't really seen anything worth mentioning yet either. It just feels like Nintendo kind of fell off the radar for a whole year, and I can see where he's coming from



EverythingAmiibo said:

Yep, he's right it is like virus. But if your willing, and smart enough to find a way to kill the virus then there's a crap console beneath it. Then all you have to do is invest hours plowing through crap to find some good software, THEN it's a good console!



OL_G said:

The reason people stopped playing was because of their half butt ports wii didn't get the same support so people stopped playing and only bought Nintendo titles cause those are quality games.
I played mine till the last day with games as Last Story Pandora's Tower Xenoblade Chronicles Fatal Frame4 Zangeki no Reginleiv the Metroid Prime Trilogy Arc Rise Fantasia and Sin and Punishment2



OL_G said:

and a few others i can't think of now and of course Mario kart Smash Paper Mario and the Galaxy's Sonic colours was also good



Nintenjoe64 said:

Not everything about the Wii was good but it was the only console that has offered something different since consoles have been around. It enhanced plenty of genres, showed us new ways to play and brought a few game styles back from total obscurity e.g. light gun games.

The main problem the wii had was the lack of HD and the kind of support the publishers gave it. They assumed people wanted another copy of Wii sports as their next game. Another problem was mainstream reporting on games was woeful. Anything that wasn't a Nintendo game got slaughtered or just didn't get a score as high as it should. So many people talk big about how awful the Wii was but have never even played anything other than Wii Sports and wonder why it only lasted them 2 months.

The hiliarious part about him calling it a virus is that it's obviously infected MS and Sony to the point where they're never gonna let go of motion control.



SCAR said:

There were tons of good games for Wii. Anyone who actually played Wii would know. The Wii was a virus and it infected more than just consumers. It also infected the lead figures of the Xbox and PS, even though their fans didn't care about it. Everybody hated Wii and motion controls until their own consokes adapted the same concept.
I liked all the consoles for periods of time, but it would be naive to think that Nintendo didn't do anything last gen.
The Gears games were viruses just as much. I'm actually surprised Microsoft didn't care about adding Kinect to more of it's games like Nintendo required to do since it was it's main controller altogether instead of an alternative.



SCAR said:

Dude, we all play the same games and own the same devices. Opinions of the same situation, especially on a global scale is bound to be mostly similar of reaction. It would be like how millions of fans go play Mario, Gears, Halo, Zelda, etc. all for the same game.



WiiLovePeace said:

For me I disagree, bought my first Wii nearly 5 years ago & a couple of years ago I bought a 2nd Wii for my bedroom. I played it so much I needed a 2nd one that's how often I still play games on it Its an amazing system, going back over the catalogue its built up from retail, WiiWare & Virtual Console games I just can't get enough I think its sad that people chose to stop playing Wii but each to their own I guess...



UpdateNightmare said:

His kinda right to a degree, so many people selling their Wii consoles with only a few games in their collection. It's normally Wii Sports with some utter crappy game no one cares about.

Maybe if the wii didn't consist of 90% crap kids won't even enjoy then maybe.



AtomicToaster said:

What screwed up use of language! The Xbox 360 is an STD! The Wii was a good console that eventually saw some.great games can we get over it and move on?

His main argument is factual, who's wording is fan boyish and stupid!



MasterGraveheart said:

I think they're both short-sighted jerks. Animal Crossing has raked in over 900 hours of my life and I have a couple dozen titles that have raked in 20-hours or more EACH. Shoot, I still play my Wii games on my Wii U AND my old Wii has found new life in my living room for play with friends and family.



Sean_Aaron said:

Hilarious. I sincerely hope that the contagion of games like Gears of War continues to be limited to a small group of people and that they continue to separate themselves from the rest of the gaming community like lepers. What do I win?



Tmdean said:

The funny thing about this narrative is that it just isn't true. The average number of games bought per Wii is approximately the same as the PS3 and Xbox 360.



Nomad said:

That particular virus only affected casual gamers. Serious gamers bought Wii for Nintendo's great games and whatever good third party games came out for it. Many Wii games will soon be considered treasured classics that will be played by serious gamers for many years to come.



cornishlee said:

I struggle to see his motivation here - there has to be more to it than just wanting to be controversial/sensational. What was the context of the comments?

In answer to the question, like everything in life it's not a black and white situation. It's probably fair to say that there were a number of consumers who bought the Wii to play Wii Sports. Maybe they bought another mini-game compilation or two as well. Then they grew tired of it and sold it (my parents certainly fall into that category). I guess there must also have been regular video game players who bought it, played Wii Sports then shelved it when the next (non-Wii) game they were interested in came out and never looked back (that seems to be what he's saying here). Then there were Nintendo fans who bought it, loved it and cherish it. There were also returning video game players who bought it.

To elaborate on that last point, it was the first Nintendo console bought by either my little brother or I and it was the first console I'd owned in more than a decade. After six to twelve months my brother sold his and bought a PS3. I continued to enjoy Madworld, Red Steel 2, Brawl and the Galaxy games. Now I have a Wii U and have loved Darksiders and very much enjoyed Ninja Gaiden 3 and Trine 2. I know I'm not the only person on this forum to have been brought back into the fold by the Wii either.

So, the Wii was a number of different things to many different people. Most people know that though, it's just not dramatic or contentious enough to be reported.



MAB said:

It was worth the price of admission just for all the great VC titles everything else was a bonus.



CyberNature said:

I still play my Wii to this day. Don't even own a Wii U yet (or even a 3DS, for that matter). I'm still trying to finish off some Wii games I haven't gotten around to yet.



Jamouse said:

I'm just gonna point out in advance that I'm not calling this man or his opinion idiotic

(I don't want to see any of those "why do all nintendo fans get worked up every time someone says something bad about nintendo" posts.)



CyberNature said:


I totally agree with your comment. It's not so black and white. You can't just lump everyone into the same category. Everyone has their own motivations, desires, and reasons for buying the system.



KromCompany said:

i bought a wii in january. it needs a driving sim. but my 3ds is my favorite (1 year and running. mh3u!)



TourianTourist said:

Well, to be honest, Nintendo doesn't make games with ever lasting appeal. SSBB was probably the Wii game, I spent the most time with. But even that faded out eventually. Games like Mario Galaxy oder Zelda Skyward Sword keep you busy for a while, but they have an end...

Nintendo needs something like Minecraft. Something you simply cannot stop playing. In that terms Epic is ahead of Nintendo. I still like to play Unreal Tournament today - 13 years after its release. I haven't played Gears of War, but I guess it has a similar appeal.



Exile20 said:

I honestly never got that comment. I play my Wii games on my Wii U to this day. Before my Wii U I played my Wii all the time for hours, good times. There are so many great games for it and yet people say they play it for 5 hrs and put it in a closet. Dust and Wii became a meme and people just said it on the internet to be cool or something, or people say they bought only Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 and never bought another game for it. WHAT?!? SMH. I understand that a certain group that bought a Wii and Wii sports, Wii fit, etc and not other games but that group would never buy a PS3 or 360 anyway. That group does not consist of gamers.



Exile20 said:

@ErnisDy This guy is classic example here of my previous post. They make comments like these and people look at his comment and think it is the truth. If you like Jrpgs then there are many games on the Wii like:
Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the new World
Xenoblade Chronicles
The last Story
Monado: Beginning of the World
Zelda games:The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword, The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Dragon Quest X
Fragile Dreams: Farewell Ruins of the Moon
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers
Rune Factory: Tides of Destiny
Tales of Graces
Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World
Final Fantasy IV: The After Years
Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
and many more.

Stop being a cliche and actually play the games. These games can last you a longggggg time.



Giygas_95 said:

Actually, I continued to play my Wii from 2006 until I got the Wii U. Even while I had a PS3 from 2009 to today.

Maybe it's because these guys are older and prefer a 360 or a PS3.




Wii and dreamcast are my 2 favourite consoles of all time.

The Wii was like THE console for jrpg's which proves you don't know what your saying.

You are bang on.

Strange thing is, I play GOW at my friends house and I'm bored after half an hour.



WiiLovePeace said:

@Exile20 I agree about the Wii being awesome for RPGs (if only for my favourite game of all time, Xenoblade Chronicles, everything else was a bonus ) but I gotta correct your list a bit. You listed "Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of a New World" twice & "Monado: Beginning of the World" is the codename for "Xenoblade Chronicles". The Legend of Zelda games on Wii aren't RPGs. Tales of Graces & Dragon Quest X are both Japan exclusive RPGs, for what its worth. Also add "Rune Factory Frontier" & "Arc Rise Fantasia" (my 2nd favourite game of all time ) but I'd genuinely like to know what the "and many more" are because I can't think of any more.

Edit: Oh & not to forget the RPGs released on Virtual Console either.



Haywired said:

The PS3 Move most definately, but I would say Kinect is less an adaptation of the concept of the Wii and more the PS2 EyeToy (the Sony motion control device that came out before the Wii and thus has been conveniently wiped from history round these parts. I mean if Kinect copies the Wii, then surely EyeToy - Wii is the same difference?)



ajcismo said:

The arrogance of the industry in general is just astounding considering how far numbers have dropped for all companies over the years.



FullbringIchigo said:

well when Cliff Bleszinski makes a game i actually give a **** about and can play play for more than 5 minuets before i turn it off out of sheer boredom (Gears of War) then maybe i'll take notice of what he's saying

until then the little troll can go back under his bridge and keep pinning over his unrequited love of Microsoft



ajcismo said:

Although in my house I call my Wii the "Livingroom Gamecube", since that is what it really is too.



AugustusOxy said:

And crappy games like Gears of War are like aids, they never go away and there is no cure for gritty, crap handling 'realistic' interactive movies like them. They are ruining the industry.



Peach64 said:

People say this because its true. There is a small number of us that play real games on the Wii. Super Mario Galaxy is the 9th best selling Wii game, Galaxy 2 is the 13th. Twilight Princess the 14th, Skyward Sword the 19th. Metroid Prime 3 is the 44th! Xenoblade Chronicles and Metroid Prime Trilogy don't come near the top 50. Cliff knows the Wii has great games, but most of those 100 million Wii owners never touched a Galaxy or Zelda or Metroid game (the big 3 that everyone says will make the Wii U a big seller). Wii's top selling games were things like Wii Sports and Wii Fit, Wii Play and Wii Party, Just Dance and Mario and Sonic. We gamers are not representative of most Wii owners.



Royalblues said:

I played my wii for hundreds of hours. I stopped because they couldn't keep up content-wise with the competition.
I am waiting for a few key first party games, and a real third party presence before I think about considering buying a wii u.
For now, the 3DS is where it's at!

To be fair, I stopped playing all my consoles, but the wii engine ran out of steam for me well before. I just hope it isn't the same story this gen, but I am not a symbol of optimism...



Haywired said:

Yeah, Gears of War, despite having a Metacritic average score of 94% and sales of 6 million (20 million for whole franchise) and just being generally good, visceral, macho fun (anyone who doesn't find chainsawing an alien enjoyable clearly doesn't know what they're talking about! ), is now totally crap and worthless all of a sudden just because he said something (not even particularly controversial or antagonistic, if anything probably tongue in cheek) that upsets you... Stop being so precious, you pansies!



Whopper744 said:

I see his point. And I'm not just saying this as a Gears fan, but I see some of where he is coming from, even as a hardcore First Party Nintendo fan over all other game series.



GraveLordXD said:

@TourianTourist " Nintendo needs something like minecraft something you simply can't stop playing" how about MH3
"I still play unreal tournament today 13 years after release" fair enough, I still play the original LoZ 27 years after release



Whopper744 said: I've said I'm a Nintendo fan above the rest of gaming (though I do enjoy Gears of War) but some of you guys are being kinda harsh. I don't really see why people get so much enjoyment out of calling everyone else a complete idiot because they don't agree on a comment about gaming. Like, there are people are here writing 3 pages deciphering what this guy said in like, 2 sentences as a side comment.

Chill out a bit.



MadAdam81 said:

@Haywired I liked gears of War when it first came out, playing it on friends consoles, got the second one, and go bored after 10 hours gameplay. It was okay, but nothing really special, wouldn't make the top 5 FPS series of the last decade in my book, but probably had some of the more fun vehicle mission of the FPS games that included them.
I would love for a new Red Faction game on the Wii U though, one of my favourite series, with some great single player campaigns (and some average ones that were still fun), awesome multiplayer, great level designs all throughout and some of the greatest vehicle and mech sections in any FPS game, with it's own unique twist on FPS.
The least important section to me (graphics), Red Faction blows Gears of War out of the water.



SpaceApe said:

The Wii was a great console with many games for everyone but Bleszinksy is right. Those were all games for the casuals who don't play enough during the week. They weren't meant for hardcore gamers. I think he is saying that Nintendo needs to grow up some here. They need more mature gamers that players want to play everyday and keep playing for years to come. I keep saying this often. Just look at games like Halo and Uncharted. Players can't get enough of those games. Nintendo has no games like that. Nintendo needs to grow up and roll with the times.



Einherjar said:

Since i got my WiiU, every other console started to collect some dust. The 360 rarely runs, because im sick of all these mainstream "same old, same old" games, since nothing spectacular came out on it. My recently bought PS3 only serves the cause i bought it for: to play blu rays and play Dynasty Warriors 7 / XL / Empires.
Im absolutely happy with games like Lego City, Monster Hunter, Burnout parad...pardon, NFS Most Wanted U, NSMBU and what not. All these games tage ages to fully complete, and to be honest, with the added "Nintendo console flair" gaming became fun again.



GraveLordXD said:

@SpaceApe dude uncharted 1-3 is exactly the same not to mention Destiny is coming out for the wii u, but it doesn't matter to me I'll take a metroid prime for wii u over halo any day. Games like uncharted and halo although they are good games are also a dime a dozen
How does Nintendo need to "grow up" as far as I know they aren't the ones taking pop shots at other companies and talking bs because that's what kids do. IMO the gaming industry and community as a whole has a lot of growing up to do



ToxieDogg said:

@Haywired There's hardly anybody criticising Gears Of War here. As for me, I own all of the games in the Gears Of War series, but I don't get much more than a couple of months playtime out of any of them...,the single player campaigns are fairly short and there's only so much you can hammer multiplayer before you want to move onto something else. I never said I didn't enjoy Gears, I was just making a tongue in cheek response to his tongue in cheek comment



Ralizah said:

He isn't wrong... for non-gamers, anyway. They saw this motion-controlled game console, said "Cool!", bought one, maybe bought a pile of the accessories, and then let the thing gather dust in their living rooms. I wouldn't be surprised if something similar didn't happen with the Kinect.



Rect_Pola said:

It's still rude to call the Wii itself as a virus. It was the mania surrounding them that was viral, not the Wii itself. It just struck gold in whatever part of the human condition drives such things.



aaronsullivan said:

I'm just ducking in without reading comments to say:
Nintendo is trying to fix this with the Wii U. Nintendo Land is made to bring those casual players into the fold and to get them excited about franchises. Obviously it needs to sell more consoles first, though. /

I hate to say it, but a super-smartly made and marketed Wii Sports follow up could actually help... sort of like a more ACTIVE version of Nintendo Land. Maybe Wii Fit U is the plan for that though. That game still needs a better hook, though.



Haywired said:

No worries dude, I wasn't referring to your comment. But there are a few of the "this guy's crap, so who cares what he thinks!" type comments here. I imagine if tomorrow he said that his next game will be a Wii U exclusive these same people will be saying how much they always liked and respected him and his games!

It seems Gears of War (which is one of the few games I've ever bought for the PC. In case people are wondering, "aren't you a Nintendo only gamer?") is often criticized for being generic and derivative, but if anything, that's because of all the stuff that came after it and tried to ape it. Maybe a victim of its own success in that sense. I dunno.



Ryo_Hazuki-san said:

How many of us have spent countless hours on smash bros , zelda, monster hunter, mario kart wii?? yea thought so i bet more than crappy gears of was.. this guy is a joke!



Ren said:

I love my Wii, one of my favorite consoles ever, but I get the point here, I know LOTs of people who got one when it was all hot, some I barely know but saw a dusty Wii sitting there with wii sports. It's true, it's not a 'gamers' machine, it's a Nintendo fans machine. If you're a fan you sat through some real crap because you knew the wait for the N games was worth it. For everyone else; a consumer virus. not a bad thing, really. like lots of things: mini-discs, HD-DVD's, thigh masters, electric juicers, etc. it's true. It made them lazy with the WiiU, and no one cares about the tablet controller so it doesn't have the viral thing Wii did.



SpaceApe said:

@LDXD They need to grow up and stop rehashing Mario and Zelda games. They need to make a franchise for mature crowd (21+). You know like try making a great fps franchise or a rpg that millions will keep playing forever like Halo and Uncharted. If Nintendo wants to be in the game then that is what they have to do. I love Mario and Zelda but seriously, time to grow up ! Perfect example right here, Sony's Thief and The Last of Us on the PS4 is going to trounce, stomp on and head bash anything Nintendo is going to make this year and probably next year. The average gamer is in their 30's. They keep making stuff for 2 year olds it is GG forever unless Nintendo changes their ways. Noone is saying top making Mario and Zelda but they need to add something big time to their console in a hurry.



GraveLordXD said:

@SpaceApe you mean they need to start making more games for teenagers I'm in my early 30's and grew out of halo loooong ago and sony did not make thief or last of us btw thief is a multiplat and last of us is ps3 game
Most Zelda games are entirely different from each other you say Nintendo needs to quit rehashing it but then bring up uncharted which has been the same damn game over and over we had 3 of them on one console alone and they play exactly the same. Maybe Nintendo can have mario and link drop the f-bomb every now and then and maybe have princess peach topless and maybe then they wouldn't be for 2yr olds. As far as your comment about thief and the last of us killing anything Nintendo puts out I doubt it, thief has just been done with dishonored and what if retro comes out and says what they have been working on is Prime or lets just say eternal darkness to me that would destroy thief and last of us I will agree with you that I would love to see a fps or really good rpg from them or maybe a clash of the two similar to borderlands
I think we can both agree one one thing and that is Nintendo needs to work on some new ip's



Prof_Elvin_Gadd said:

Most Game Designers are egotistical a$$holes. I'm going to fit right in.

I've always thought this guy was an outspoken moron and that his games were generic. I guess this just confirms that.



Haxonberik said:

"Lets just call it virus, and see the fan base react. You know, I need attention right now that I'm not actually important at all for the gaming industry"



AVahne said:

To the casuals, probably. But to the core fans, not at all. He's just trying to see how many people he can rattle with this comment.



AVahne said:

The self-proclaimed 21-year olds, eh? Physically, that audience you are attempting to describe may be 21, but most likely their mental ages are still stuck at 13 or 15 with the dream and/or desire to be a "grown-up". If you are part of that audience, then keep on trying there friend.



MetalKingShield said:

I agree with them. Yes, we all played "proper" games on the Wii, but that's not what it was designed for. I don't believe it was designed for the betterment of gaming. It was meant to be cheap and novel - something that people would buy as part of a trend. Developers made some good games for it, but that's just because it was the latest Nintendo console.



pepsilover2008 said:

Funny I recall my wii getting more play than my ps3/xbox 360, I've never had a dull period with it between the vc or getting a new retail game. You just had to search for the fun games since noone advertised for their wii games.



TrueWiiMaster said:

While I agree that a lot of people did buy into the hype only to let the system sit on the shelf soon after (trying my Wii inspired several people to do that actually), I wouldn't call it a virus. At least, no more than gaming in general. I mean, how many people have gotten systems over the years and not played them much? My older brother bought a PS3, and he barely ever plays it. Does that make it a virus too? And how does that work with games? Are games viruses if you buy them and don't play them much?



Prof_Elvin_Gadd said:

Human beings are the virus. There are some good intelligent people out there, but for the most part.... No. He is one of the "No's". Don't worry, all you people are cool.



brooks83 said:

The Wii is a great system, but he does have a point. I think the low sales of the Wii U have really caught Nintendo off guard.



SCAR said:

I had to play Wii for 4 years straight before I was able to afford an Xbox 360 that actually worked, and a PS3 without other OS. I knew there were good games because I looked for them, and was up to terms about what consoles could do at the time.

I didn't say they copied Nintendo. I said they adapted the concept, which would be motion control. Really though, Sony looked a follower of Nintendo with their strategy, and Microsoft bested the PS Eye. PS4 is gonna basically have a Kinect + Wii remote control scheme.
We all know that Sony didn't copy Nintendo, but the difference was, was that they released it years after Wii remote.
Is that PS camera going to be able to read your movements without a controller like Kinect, BTW? If ot doesn't, then how the hell are they going to compete with Kinect AND Wii remote at the same time?



SparkOfSpirit said:

The irony is that super-scripted shooters like his have all but sucked the life out of the genre. Almost like a virus.



Doma said:

I was more or less a N fanboy until owning a Wii. Their huge shift in target audience was enough to slap some sense into me. It had a few great games, but imo, that didn't make up for the incredible mass of low quality, cash-grab software produced for it (Nintendo's own output included!). There's a much better game variety on the PS360, this is fact.

@Exile20 What a wonderful list!
Listed twice: Tales of Symphonia, Xenoblade Chronicles (Monado doesn't exist)

Never released outside JP: Dragon Quest X, Tales of Graces (not on the Wii anyway..)

A mobile phone port - Final Fantasy IV The After Years
NOT even JRPGs - Zelda games.

"Many more" huh?.. not likely.



TourianTourist said:

Oh, I didn't mean Nintendo doesn't have any timeless games. They sure have and I still enjoy their classics today, especially the old Zelda games. But you don't always play Zelda. A Zelda game is finished at some point. You may replay it after some time, but you don't always play Zelda.

Monster Hunter definitely has such an everlasting appeal, but it's not an exclusive Nintendo franchise, it's a Capcom game.



GraveLordXD said:

monster hunter 3 at the moment is exclusive to Nintendo and minecraft isn't an exclusive either you can get it on xbox and iPhone
I agree with what you're saying though it would be nice for Nintendo to make something new and addictive



Galactus said:

This whole thing is because of crappy 3rd party developers. People would have stayed playing their Wiis if these damn developers did more than port over waggle friendly PS2 games. Its a cycle started by lazy developers and has nothing to do with the console itself.



AbeVigoda said:

It's funny seeing hardcore Nintendo fans on a Nintendo-centric website talk about how they put 500+ hours into playing Wii Sports and Mario Galaxy and thinking that's the norm. Sorry, but you guys are the exception. The vast majority of Wii owners moved on a looooong time ago.



SpaceApe said:

@Koto Sorry but it is a FACT that the average gamer is in their 30's. Go check it out yourself. Stop being dellusional.



Tony_342 said:

"When you shift almost 100 million units worldwide, is it not almost inevitable that some of those systems are going to be gathering dust in cupboards?"

Exactly. When you sell a system to millions of casual gamers, they're only going to play it - surprise, surprise - casually. It's a real shame that so many people abandoned the Wii so quickly. I have bought more games for Wii than any other system I've ever owned. And I've played it just as much as any other system I've ever owned. There are a lot of great, under-appreciated titles on that system.

I have a PS3 and I love it, but I still think that Super Mario Galaxy 1 & 2, Skyward Sword, Twilight Princess, and the Metroid Prime Trilogy are better than anything you can get on PS3 or XBOX360. Also Donkey Kong Country Returns may be the best side-scrolling platformer ever made, and the Goldeneye remake is my favorite FPS since Half-Life 2. The Wii was definitely my go-to system these past several years. It really is a shame that so many gamers misunderstood or ignored the Wii.



GreenDream said:

I would have understood Mr. Capps' sentiments at the time, if he had been talking about all consoles in general, because consoles do hold back many PC versions of titles from attaining their technical and economic potentials. PC is also infinitely more useful than console...

Yet instead, he criticized specific consoles, simply because he was under the payroll of Microsoft. He should have known better than to play favorites in this industry... It's a rule of thumb in the computer game industry that there aren't a lot of game companies who keep the same teams on for very long; Mr. Capps must have been well aware of this. Not to mention Japanese companies tend to be the only exceptions to that rule, so he really should not have spoken in jest about this sort of thing, as a professional.

Mr. Bleszinski can say anything he wants now, in hindsight, but everyone's situation is different. The real "virus" in terms of negative context across the industry now is the notion of "useless DLC", which is becoming increasingly common for the Xbox and Playstation consoles, while Nintendo keeps it to a minimum.



Mahe said:

Cliffy is so wrong. If the Wii was a virus, its DNA has now been integrated into gaming culture. One of the most influential consoles ever.



GreenDream said:

@Doma There's an even better game variety on PC than either Xbox or PS3, so... that's a moot point... At least PS3 has some good exclusives, but the Xbox truly is worthless for exclusives... The Wii is the best of the three for exclusives, though, so Nintendo/PC is the way to go.



JebbyDeringer said:

Remember how much a geek Cliffy B use to be? He became a "rockstar" after Unreal Tournament. =p

I think they are both right and wrong. Nintendo needs to be critisized and needs to learn from it.



Steveovig said:

Gears of War is overrated tripe and so is Cliffy B. Give me something original in your games for once.



GraveLordXD said:

@SpaceApe where did koto say anything about the age of the average gamer not being 30? You may want to reread his statement, I'm pretty sure what he was saying to you went a lil over your head



Wilford111 said:

@AbeVigoda the point is, they're missing out. If they would put more time into the Wii, it would be time well spent. Meaning the Wii is not a "Virus", it deserves every sale it got. However, most people didn't use it to its full potential.



DreamOn said:

I think the casuals got exactly what they wanted out of the Wii - a gaming experience thats not the platformer/action/RPG kind that we all like. Then like so many toys people buy into, they chuck em in the closet. Or use it only for Netflix. I have friends who own a Wii and they don't know or care about Miyamoto! That's representative of probably no user on this site, lol



VeeFlamesNL said:

@SpaceApe Now I don't think that's exactly true. You know people will come around to play Smash Bros, Galaxy etc. Fact.
On to the main topic. My Wii has been played for about 6-7 years! Even with the fact that there is always lack of electricity. Totally good games!
But Gears of War is good, too!



Neram said:

He's right about people buying it because they played it at someone's house and thought it was fun enough to warrant buying one, but that's just the thing; the experience of playing Wii was enough to sell them on it.

Where Gears of War on the other hand relies on hype and power of suggestion to sell it. I've played Gears before, but never understood what the hype was all about.



Doma said:

@GreenDream Isn't really moot since i was comparing home consoles, but you're right about MS at least. Their exclusive offerings are non-existent, it'd be impossible to argue otherwise lol.

The Wii isn’t best for exclusives though, PS3 is. Nintendo have steadily phased out most of their franchise i care about. They play it too safe, rarely straying from Mario/Zelda (Mario is stale and overused, Zelda's have been dropping in quality since Windwaker). The lack of new IPs is pretty lame too.

As for PC, i usually stick with older, unique titles (and DRM-free) since mine is rather low-end. It isn't worth upgrading just for gaming, consoles suit me just fine. There are plenty of good games that never make it to PC aswell.



Jeremyx7 said:

Gears of War is one of the worst 'mainstream' franchises of all time to date. I don't care how financially successful it's been they're terrible poorly developed games.

Run, Shoot, Cover, Repeat = Entire Gears of War Franchise. Shame he doesn't know anything past that.



BossBattles said:

Havent bought games for my 360 for 2 years, but still getting games like Xenoblade, The Last Story, Rhythm Heaven, and soon Pandora's Tower.....

If its a virus, consider me infected!!!!

Wii also had numerous 3rd party games NOBODY else had....and they were great experiences. So sad gamers are so negative about everything unless its a bloody military shooter. "SO MATURE".



BossBattles said:


Great agreement. The Wii was a truly amazing console when enjoyed the way it should be, which is to simply play great games. They may not be the SAME games the HD consoles had, but it had its own library, and it was very creative and innovative, and had some of the best installments of popular Nintendo franchises ever.

Still amazed how much hate it gets. I think down the road this will change. 10 years from now people will look at its catalog of titles and realize just how good it was. Real gamers know this NOW.



tanookisuit said:

You know what's also viral? Third parties and their perpetual put downs, dismissals, and ignoring(only as much as making games) for Nintendo consoles.

Yawn, time to move onto the next. If the Wii were still new and raging like crazy in the early days you could set a watch to the comments they were so regular.



Zodiak13 said:

Love Nintendo, bought the Wii on launch day, barely ever played that system. Love my WiiU, love the gamepad, love traditional controls. I don't mind the motion stuff, but that isn't the core experience I want. I know lots of people who bought it and only played it at get togethers.



FineLerv said:

@SCAR392 That's not how opinions work. We play the same games and use the same devices but we each pass different judgements based on our personal enjoyment. It's likely that the people in your social circle have similar opinions to you because people tend to gravitate towards those with common interests. But, it doesn't mean our opinions should be applied to the rest of the world; That's just narrow-minded.

As an example, I literally do not know a single person who would play an iPhone game for more than a day - does this mean iPhones have no impact on the gaming market? My personal experiences seem to suggest this to be the case but they aren't indicative of reality.

People (especially Blesinkski and his legion of man-babies) need to realise that they aren't the centre of the universe.



FineLerv said:

@SpaceApe "Sorry but it is a FACT that the average gamer is in their 30's. Go check it out yourself."

A fact that is not verifiable by observation, unless you count "gamer" as being someone who plays mobile phone apps. Statistics need perspective...



FineLerv said:

@LDXD I feel the same way about Halo - I was too old for it. My 11 year old nephew loves the series, though.



FineLerv said:

@AbeVigoda I wouldn't call myself a "hardcore Nintendo fan" by any means. I couldn't care less about the company. I just play games and most of the time I play them on my Wii U. Just as most of the time I played games on my Wii and my PS3 last generation. It's the games that matter, not the platform. It just so happens that the Wii U is my preferred platform now (and the lack of achievements/trophies plays a huge part in that).



GraveLordXD said:

@FineLerv lol I most certainly agree with that looking back at the things I did when I was 21 boy did I do some stupid ****! I just hope when I'm 40 I don't look back at the times when I was 30 and think the same thing
I also had the same thing happen to me about 2 months ago, my nephew's 12 he comes over looks at my huge collection of games and ask where is halo? sorry to say lil bro got rid of my xbox play something on the ps3 long story short I had to go rent bo2 for him to play for the weekend
And I could care less about trophies glad someone else can agree with me on that



FineLerv said:

@LDXD You'll probably be too busy panicking about all the things you wish you had done in your 20s and 30s! Lol. Hopefully by that point we'll all have teleportation devices and implants that let us upload knowledge to our brains...

At least that's what I'm counting on...



Zombie_Barioth said:

@LDXD and @FineLerv If you guys think thats bad try being apart of that demographic and rolling your eyes at how stupid some people can be. Not that I haven't done anything stupid myself just nothing to tell the grandkids (unless almost putting your boots in the freezer is your idea of a good story).

Speaking of kids and COD, my 12 year old cousin keeps bugging me about when I'll buy Black Ops or MW3. Too bad I couldn't say nephew.



nik1470 said:

If by virus he means that it spread around peoples social networks (very much like rock band and GH) then he would be right. If however he means that in anyway that the Wii was bad for the industry then he would be wrong. The fact remains that my mum owns a Wii and doesn't play games but then again hasn't Nintendo's family friendly appeal been its charm.



TourianTourist said:

Animal Crossing might be a game that keeps you playing... but who actually plays this? I don't know anyone.

And what's up with the sarcasm? Of course you can play games more than once. I've played through Ocarina of Time countless times. But no one does that in an endless loop. Most Nintendo games have a clear end, where nothing is left to do except for replaying them. My point was about games that KEEP you playing. As in potentially never ending.

I have a Wii with all big Nintendo titles for it. The same with the 3DS (except for the new Luigi's Mansion, haven't picked that up yet). And I rarely use the two systems. There are phases where I play a specific game like Skyward Sword, but inevitably the Wii returns into the closet (so it doesn't literally collect dust). On the other hand I play my PC all the time, the same couple of games for years... I rarely get bored of it unlike my Nintendo systems, which become boring real fast.

Nintendo needs something that keeps their systems running and interesting.



Henmii said:

How does it come then that after 2 months I still played, and played and played?! I don't play on the Wii at the moment, but I will return soon!



ThreadShadow said:

Well, unfortunately it was a true statement, for casuals and soccer moms. After two months the soccer moms were tired of it, put it in the closet and forgot about it. Why? Because they weren't gamers, they caught the fad and then the fad past. But it wasn't a virus to us or to a handful of others. I mean I went to an old folks home and they had Wii Sports night, and my local Library has a Wii day each week. So it has "stuck around" but on the whole, yes, to the "mainstream" it was a virus and the fad and ended like every other fad.

<< >> ....oh, the rooms empty.



tddct89 said:

I remember when my brother got gears 2 (3 maybe?) And convinced me to play co-op with him. I quit playing after an hour or so and didn't feel compelled to go back. I'm sure they are great games but this guy couldn't be more wrong. I've played my Wii U more than I've played any 360 and I've owned 2. I remember beating halo 4 and DMC, there was probably another game that I finished but can't remember, other than that I've used it for Netflix, until my Wii U came around. Unlike my Wii that sat in the closet until a good first party game came along, I've played my Wii U every day since launch. This isn't the Wii all over again, Nintendo is giving us games that are already out on other consoles, and once they start releasing more HD remakes like wind waker, HD collections, SNES collections (i.e a DKC collection, if they ever figure out what's going on there.) This console is going to blow up like no console before it. I'm not saying it's not a console with potential for failure because it is. But IMO it's a console where potential for extreme success far outweighs potential for failure. And I'm the kind of person that if there isn't a good game for me to buy every week (even an indie game) I'm disappointed in my console. People (including devs) need to have faith, jeez cliff has enough money in his personal bank account to single handedly produce a small fun indie game that will pay for itself on Wii u alone, and if it doesn't port it to steam, ps3, and 360. All the consoles are capable of unity or some other free engine that's easy to port with are they not?



Hyrule said:

Haters gone hate, there isn't a weekend that goes by without a marathon Smash Bros battle between me and my friends.



Windy said:

I think in a way he was right. For myself I was very frustrated with the Wii which was my system of choice. Great games coming out on PS3 and Xbox360 on a constant basis while Wii owners had to sit back and be patient with great releases that were far and few in between. And a Warning the Wii-U seems to be going that Same route. Nintendo has already issued the be Patient announcement and that is the exact same way they started out with Wii. Not Good



ompgsag said:

Who the hell is Epic Games? I don't think I've played even one of their games.



Korgoth said:

The gathering of dust by any system bought by casual gamers is the norm. The only exceptional thing the Wii did was collect such a large following of casual gamers. That said, many of those casual gamers actually play their Wii's far more often, even over 2 months later, than any other system they may buy.



defrb said:

ok, so a wii suck, what will you be playing then?, a ps3/xbox360 is good??
I have a PC you will be amazed how good it play ps3 and xbox games.

I love my wii and so do all the people in my house ( 4 in total) we spend the most time ever on a console, yes i had them all sinds the 8bit.

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