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Ubisoft Is "Optimistic" About Wii U, But Would Like a Price Cut All The Same

Posted by Damien McFerran

"We think that Wii U will find its public at some point"

Ubisoft’s executive director for EMEA territories Alain Corre has added his voice to the those calling for a Wii U price cut.

When asked by Edge Online if he would welcome a reduction in price, Corre said:

Always. We always want the hardware to be at a low price because we want as many fans as possible to afford to buy our games, so that’s for sure. We think that Wii U will find its public at some point. Some were expecting sales to be quicker but we are optimistic.

I think Nintendo has said that the Wii U sales in general were below expectations originally and the software tie-in ratio is also stable, so I think that when less machines sell, less games sell.

However, Corre was quick to point out that supporting the Wii U early on has been a positive thing for his company:

It’s part of the Ubsoft DNA to be first on new technology and to innovate – and also release some games that have created some good momentum that we can use for the future. If we globalise all that we did and consider all of that then what we did on Wii U for launch was productive.

Ubisoft has been a key supporter of the Wii U, releasing big titles such as ZombiU and Assassin's Creed III at launch. Although the decision to postpone the Wii U release of Rayman Legends in order to make it a multi-platform title caused considerable upset among Nintendo fans, the French publisher continues to invest in the console and has ensured that two of its big 2013 titles — Watch_Dogs and Assassin's Creed IV Black Flag — are both coming to the system.

[via edge-online.com]

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User Comments (91)

SomeBitTripFan

#1

SomeBitTripFan said:

Here's what I'm wondering. If they had created the Wii U, would they lower the price? And what would the price initially be?

LDXD

#2

LDXD said:

It doesn't need a price cut it needs games system selling games

LEGEND_MARIOID

#3

LEGEND_MARIOID said:

ASDA UK have reduced the price of the Wii U premium to £249 and the p[rice of the Wii 8GB pack to £199. Hello everyone else in UK retail? This should've been the price back when the Wii U was released late last year ffs as I was saying at prior to its release. HOWEVER,

I think it's very cheeky of Ubisoft to talk about Wii U sales and pricing since they betrayed Wii U owners with delaying the game till September to pander to Micro$oft's rules. If it had remained exclusive and originally released (at launch wasn't it meant to be?), then would the Wii U have sold more? OK, great work with ZombiU, but still, this is very cheeky.

Price cut and more software are needed.

klautrec

#4

klautrec said:

@LDXD I love your avatar! hahaha

Well, The thing is, the WiiU needs games! Nothing will sell a system like good games. I'm really happy that Ubisoft is embracing the console, not only on launch but now we have ACIV and watch dogs, that's great I love their games.

Peach64

#5

Peach64 said:

I think that's twisting his words slightly. He's not come out and said it's too expensive, but rather been asked if he'd like the price to be cut, which is always going to be yes. He'd say the same about any console.

I don't know anyone that's holding out because of the price, they're waiting for the games to come out.

19Robb92

#6

19Robb92 said:

Let some games come out for it. It's hard for a product to get a big following without software. I think late 2013 will be a very nice time to be a WiiU owner.

Gamer83

#8

Gamer83 said:

There will be a price drop for sure this Fall, in the meantime hopefully something compelling comes out for the system soon. Lego City looks great but I don't see it pulling me away from Tomb Raider, Bioshock, God of War or Gears Judgement.

MAB

#9

MAB said:

Last time I checked the system wasn't called the Ubisoft WiiU ;)

WaLzgiStaff

#11

WaLzgi said:

I agree with Chrono_Cross. Releasing games does not guarantee automatic system sales (especially since the Xbox and PS3 versions are coming anyway)

kaboart

#12

kaboart said:

Ubisoft has a serious PR problem. even if they try to redeem themselves releasing Rayman Legends.

DePapier

#13

DePapier said:

I wanna see that price cut discussion resume when we'll know the price and pricing of the PS4 and that of the next XBox.
Ubisoft as a company should keep it low profile when it comes to the Wii U.

MadJay1664

#15

MadJay1664 said:

Exclusive games will sell Wii U but multi-platform games won't unless Wii U gets exclusive content. I say no price cut until all the exclusives that are being made, are released! For example 'Lego City'. Make people want to buy it, then drop the price so no one can resist!

LDXD

#16

LDXD said:

@Chrono_Cross couldn't agree with you more here especially now that legends is multiplatform I think monster hunter and bayonetta 2 will boost sales a little but Nintendo has yet to show anything to go out and buy the system yet this year!

LDXD

#17

LDXD said:

@klautrec thanks :) and yeah I'm picking up watch dogs for sure! Still playing through ac3 and loving that as well so I'll can see myself getting AC lV also but I gotta beat AC ll and brotherhood lol I know I'm late

Hordak

#18

Hordak said:

I have an idea, Ubisoft. Drop the price of YOUR products. Surely that will sell more of them. Ubisoft's request is the equivalent of a windshield wiper company asking car manufacturers to lower the cost of cars so people will buy more wiper blades.

Spoony_Tech

#19

Spoony_Tech said:

Yeah maybe E3 next year the price comes down but definitely not this year. Move on to another topic Ubisoft!

AbeVigoda

#21

AbeVigoda said:

@SuperMario2099

Hahahaha what an awful analogy!!!

Ubisoft is dependent on Nintendo selling a lot of systems to create a larger consumer base for their own products, not the other way around.

WaLzgiStaff

#22

WaLzgi said:

@AbeVigoda: To be fair, I think it goes both ways. Third parties depend on Nintendo to sell the systems and Nintendo depends on third parties to make games that will also attract consumers (even though Nintendo can do that also)

rjejr

#23

rjejr said:

Happy middle - Nintendo doesn't technically cut the price, they just discontinue the Basic and move the Deluxe to the $299 price point. People aren't buying the Basic b/c:
1. 8GB is less than most peoples phones or tablets, and only about 2.5 GB is open. The Deluxe at least has 32GB.
2. The Wii sold b/c it came w/ Wii Sports at $249, the Basic doesn't come with a game at $299.
3. Nobody wants white - tv, cable box, surround sound system and all their matching remotes are all black, why get a white box and Gamepad when you have the option to get black that matches everything you already have?

Here's the thing, no matter what great blockbuster games Nintedno comes out with - and we all know they will - people are still going to buy the Deluxe, which means the Basics are sitting in display cases and on store shelves and people walk by and look at them and say to themselves - "nobody is buying a Wii U, why should I"? Meanwhile Nintendo is paying to manufacture, box and ship systems that nobody wants. Not at $299, that's for sure.

So Nintendo doesn't need a "price cut", they need the Deluxe at the Basic price.

Fillytase

#24

Fillytase said:

Yeah, he's saying they always want hardware lower priced so more people can afford their games. The Wii U doesn't NEED a price drop now as others have said, it just needs games.

bassem182

#25

bassem182 said:

Ubisoft, this comment can be targeted to you even more. People pay for a console once and it should theoretically be an investment for 4-5 years or more. A cut of 50EUR/POUNDS/$ is not as critical as cutting game prices by 10EUR. People will on one hand buy 2-3 games instead of 1 in the same time frame but also, attracted by the cheaper games, people will invest on this system and increase the customer base. Win-win! I'm not saying games should be free, i understand there are developers etc to be paid and some profit as well, but cutting game prices i find pretty helpful for both consumers and devs. I work and i still think 10 times before dishing out 50+EUR on a game on the WIIU (especially pre-released unproven games that could potentially end up bad/short/etc)

LDXD

#26

LDXD said:

@LordLzGlad yes but can you think of one 3rd party game that is considered a system seller for Nintendo? I sure can't, developers do not need to lower the prices for the games to hope that the Wii u will sell more that's just absurd.

During the nes-snes days the system would launch with zelda, Mario,metroid throw in some good 3rd party games and they were golden. I feel like the Wii u was rushed to get it out before the holidays and get a head start on the competition, that day one install proves that. But Nintendo will be fine once the heavy hitters are released

SpaceApe

#27

SpaceApe said:

How about slashing game prices. i still see Darksiders 2, ME 3 and Batman still being sold for 60 bucks and all of them are old games. I know Ubisoft doesn't own these games but just saying in general. Three hundred for a console is not that expensive. Although dropping a deluxe editon to 249.95 would be a wise move.

Ralizah

#28

Ralizah said:

It's pretty cheap for a next-gen console. Once the games start rolling out, it'll sell. Or, at least, it should.

LDXD

#29

LDXD said:

@SpaceApe game prices are too low as it is developers or in a way worse situation than Nintendo

I will say that I personally feel the Wii u is priced perfectly, and games sell systems more than anything mainly 1st party and exclusives also new IP's .

AlexSora89

#31

AlexSora89 said:

This just in - the leaked to-do list for Ubisoft!

Raymangate to-do list:

1) Screw the Wii U by delaying the game two weeks before release - the now-multiplatform title will be released in September, because it will totally outsell GTA V [check]

2) Suggest a price drop for the Wii U, despite it being the last thing Nintendo wants to do [check]

3) Actually getting Nintendo to cut the Wii U's price

4) Brofist both Kaz Hirai & Bill Gates

AceTrainerBean

#33

AceTrainerBean said:

Why don't they cut the price of there games? I have a wii u and I have zombi U and AC3 but I got AC3 in a sale. I would love an ambassador program for wii u if they do reduce its price

triforcepower73

#34

triforcepower73 said:

I've said this before but I find it odd that they prefer to release their multiplatform games at the same time but when it comes to Wii U they could care less about doing that. They had no problem with releasing the Xbox/ps versions of assasin's creed 3 (about)20 days before the Wii U version but they delay legends 7 months so they can release it on all systems at the same time. If they're really stupid they'll postpone legends a few more months to release it on ps4. Nobody would buy it then because that would make all system owners mad.

AbeVigoda

#35

AbeVigoda said:

Why are people hung up on Rayman anyway? It's a soulless character and it's games have never been top sellers. It boggles my mind that people believe a Rayman game was going to increase sales of a Nintendo console...

real_gamer

#36

real_gamer said:

So Nintendo should take the knife you put in their back and slice their price of the Wii U?

AlexSora89

#37

AlexSora89 said:

@AbeVigoda:

Because it would be the best time to release the game. In the launch window, the best games are the most likely to outsell the others. Wait, that was obvious, lemme rephrase it - point is, it doesn't take masterpieces to outsell other games in a console's launch window, in that the only competition Rayman Legends - which, unlike Mass Effect 3 and other ports, was a new title developed for the console, which would have sufficed to have some chances against New Super Mario Bros. U.

The game's own great quality, alongside the borderline lack of competition (save for ports of AAA games, shovelware and NSMBU) would have helped the title sell. Releasing it in September, however? The game'll get thrashed by GTA V on the same other consoles that wanted it to be multiplatform "oh-so-badly!!!!!!111!!!1", while on the Wii U most people (either disappointed Wii U owners who bought the game just for Legends, only to be backstabbed, or just straightforward Nintendo fans) will be holding out for the next Mario Kart, the Zelda Wind Waker HD rerelease or the freakin' new 3D Mario title.

TL;DR version - for all the reasons listed, Ubisoft's "smart move" is as stupid as it could possibly get.

bizcuthammer

#38

bizcuthammer said:

I've thought since launch that $300-350 was too much. The only reason i bought mine is because i bought a deluxe model at christmas time from a friend who won it at her job but didnt want it, so she sold it to me for $250. Nintendo needs to cut the prices of both skus by $50, or consider packing in nintendo land with the basic model, and a download code for any upcoming game (pikmin 3, game & wario, W101) along with the already included nintendo land in the deluxe model. I dont think that the wii u is worth $350. It is outdated graphically, and even though i love it personally, the vast majority are not going to pay $350 for what wii u has to offer. I know ninty hates selling at a loss, but if wii u is going to sell, they have little choice. They just need to focus on making software faster and make profit off of that.

Dpullam

#39

Dpullam said:

I'm most likely going to get a Wii U by the end of this year regardless of a price cut unless Sony can impress me with their new console. It's going to be a good E3 this year!

AbeVigoda

#40

AbeVigoda said:

@AlexSora89

I wasn't arguing that the game wouldn't sell, my point was that there are a lot of people on here who think releasing Rayman was going to make people who didn't already own a Wii-U go out and purchase one, even though that would never happen

Shworange

#41

Shworange said:

Nintendo jumped the gun on the WiiU. This situation is proof. I have a WiiU (NNID Yossarian22) and I enjoy it. However I haven't purchased a Retail game since I bought it at Christmas! I buy Nintendo for Nintendo. At it's launch, we saw Nintendoland and NSMBU. The next first party game (Pikmin 3) doesn't release until sometime in April! Waiting five months after a system is launched for a new first party title is just unacceptable! The 3DS has been able to average about one first party game at least every three months, with spatterings of shorter durations than that (eg Marioland 3d and Mariokart and Fire emblem and luigis mansion). Assassins creed and mass effect are fine, but those games don't sell me on a the most expensive system that is currently on the market. Give me games I can't possibly play on the PS3 or 360. I buy Nintendo for Zelda, Metroid, Animal Crossing, Pikmin, Mario, Fire Emblem and Smash Bros. I will buy third party games for sure! I love Arkham City, I will buy Lego city and wonderful 101. I'll buy Sonic Racing and Rayman and Darsiders. I've bought most of the eshop only games and love them all! But none of the third party games that I listed would sell me on a system. Zelda makes me open my wallet. Unfortunately, after Pikmin's release we may have to wait another 5 months for another 1st party title to emerge. I understand the need to get your system out before the competition, but games need to be there to support it! With out 1st party games, you can cut the WiiU's price all you want. The system just won't move! Also, for god sake, would you at least attemp to advertise for the thing! I would bet $1000 bucks that if you asked randomly on the street what the difference between a Wii and WiiU was, the majority would still have no freaking clue!
Kicking my soapbox to the next in line.

LDXD

#42

LDXD said:

@AbeVigoda dude their are people who bought the Wii u already for rayman alone and to find out that it's going to be 1-pushed back all the way till September 2- being released on other systems that they may already have. I think that's jacked up and throw in the fact that it was supposed to be an exclusive Wii u title stated by Ubisoft themselves. Personally it doesn't effect me in the slightest still a messed up situation regardless

DarkKirby

#43

DarkKirby said:

Er, of course Ubisoft would want the Wii U's price to drop, as far as game producers are concerned, they'd want the system to be free, that way more people would buy the games.

And Rayman is already an example of Ubisoft chickening out to Microsoft or Sony (more likely Microsoft).

Nintendo is lacking in the games department for the Wii U, and for some reason, many/most game developers not not backing the Wii U despite Nintendo's increased efforts to get 3rd party games on the system. I don't understand how so many 3rd party games are continuing to be released with no Wii U game and upon questioning claim there will be no chance of a Wii U release ever.

GiftedGimp

#44

GiftedGimp said:

@DarkKirby I think I can answer the question of why more 3rd Parties not jumping on WiiU...
Its down to Money, I'm not talking userbase numbers, hell if that was the case 3rd party publishers would of abandoned the Vita long ago.
The reason is Dlc, profitability, Sony and Microsoft are happy with EA's Micro-transaction template, they are happy to have games released with day 1 dlc.. or as they are 'unlock keys'. EA and Microsoft have now partnered up, but when WiiU was unveiled in 2011 EA were boasting about the partnership they had with Nintendo, which only went sour when Nintendo rightly told EA to get stuffed in regards of Nintendo Network to be run through Origin, paving the way for EA to rip off consumers easily.
Nintendo are moving forward, and we are seeing DLC, and Micro-transactions, but not done in the same way as they are done on Xbox & Playstation. Nintendo don't want to allower their userbase to be easily ripped off, and thats why a lot of 3rd parties are staying away from WiiU

GiftedGimp

#45

GiftedGimp said:

Back on topic, I know a lot of people are just holding off, untill they know what the nextbox and Ps4 will offer and for what price compared to the WiiU and it's price point.
Its not really a question of the console of being over priced, but a recon period.
If WiiU gets a number of quality games released and the real difference between all 3 systems is a few more sparkly effects, then I know a few people who will more than likely be getting a WiiU after weighing up the pro's & con's of each system.

SneakyStyle

#46

SneakyStyle said:

Horrible twisted reporting this is...

He was asked ''If he would welcome a price cut on WiiU'' I mean you could ask him that about any product in the world and his answer would be Yes, except if it was something he was selling ofcourse....

Nothing to see here. = The report is horribad.

Yosh

#47

Yosh said:

Oh yeah a next Gen system that hasn't even had a year in the market should totally get a price cut, shut up ubisoft.

Peach64

#48

Peach64 said:

@DarkKirby Nintendo had a reputation in the 8 and 16 bit days for treating third parties like crap. In Japan and the US, they could afford to do it, since they had no competition. They limited the amount of games a publisher could put out each year, they had really strict censorship rules, they forced publishers to make games exclusive to Nintendo consoles, offering no money what so ever, but just saying they wouldn't allow the game to be released unless it was exclusive, and of course insisting all cartridges were produced by Nintendo themselves, which included the decision of how many copies of each game to make (several studios went out of business because Nintendo made far too many copies of their games, and they had to pay for them even when they wouldn't sell).

People always throw out lines about publishers being paid off by Sony and Microsoft, and conspiracy theories, but Nintendo brought almost all of it on themselves with their shady business practices back in the late 80s and early 90s.

LDXD

#49

LDXD said:

@GiftedGimp man I couldn't have said that better myself, it's also got me worried about next gen, I fear we will see more dlc, micro transactions and shorter games, as much as I'm excited about the ps4 if that's the case they can count me out

rickastillo

#51

rickastillo said:

i think the price is just right, all what we need is games. Wait till Smash bros, mario kart, Zelda and such hit the shelves, those REALLY are system sellers, not rayman legends. when the first Wii came, it had twilight princess as a Launch title if i recall correctly.

KnightRider666

#52

KnightRider666 said:

The Wii U could definitely use at least a $50 price cut. I'm not convinced enough to spend $400 on a deluxe & Super Mario U. That's all I'm interested in for what the system has to offer at this point.

Zellybeanie

#53

Zellybeanie said:

I don't see the issue with its price (and I went for the deluxe version). The system needs more third party support or, rather, more developers who see the potential of the system and are willing to not play into the obvious bias many have against Nintendo on a whole. Is the Wii U even six months old yet?

Blue-Thunder

#54

Blue-Thunder said:

Its all right for people living in the US who already own a Wii U to say the price is OK, In the UK and Europe its at least $100 more expensive and the price is not OK. The only people who are saying the price is OK, are people who already purchased a Wii U and are afraid of their lives it will get a price cut and they will get that sick feeling you get when you know you've been burnt. I reckon its going to get a price cut before Christmas and if that price cut doesn't give sales a big boost the Wii U will be doomed, doomed I tell you!!! =D

Ren

#55

Ren said:

what was just said above. I too would re-consider with a price cut; AND some worthwhile exclusives. the E-shop is nice but no longer anything special when you consider what the other consoles have at theirs, including most of the same games with more features. I'm now only a 3DS user (and retro rampage/other Wii classics) but WiiU is just not an option while I have another HD console with cheaper and often better option already. Why would I "upgrade" without really huge incentive? I love gaming but not enough to make EVERY console a priority at once. Now they really are an entertainment hub so I use my main console for movies, TV, and games, I don't want 2 different things for all that.

AlexSora89

#56

AlexSora89 said:

@AbeVigoda: Sorry for not having been around for answering your post. Thing is, well, Rayman Legends may not be a "killer app", but... we can't even know for sure, given there doesn't seem to be a turn back after Ubisoft's decision, however Rayman Legends could have boosted the Wii U's sales, that's for sure. So Ubisoft apparently saw more money in Xbox 360 and PS3 users whining about not being able to play a game on their system* than in the Wii U units many Rayman fans had already bought at this point. I wouldn't call this a backstabbing if it wasn't - delaying a game so close to its release and making the Wii U lose an exclusive are both dick moves on their own, but given Ubisoft is doing both... and releasing it at the same time as GTA V, to boot! It's like Ubisoft's trying to screw their own franchise so they could go on releasing the "Rated M for Money" titles they want, like Assassin's Creed - I might even say Ubisoft is "pulling a Capcom".

This is harming the Rayman franchise as well as Wii U users who had bought the console just for the game, only to find out two weeks away from release that they didn't ever need a Wii U in the first place. It's a lose-lose scenario.

  • [This on the right was just meant to be an asterisk... what's the markup on this site? Anyway, this paragraph expands what has been alluded to right before the first asterisk on this comment] Nevermind that we, Nintendo gamers, always are at the receiving end of that treatment. A ton of titles, despite being allegedly "multiplatform", never hit Nintendo consoles at all. Just look at titles such as the first Bayonetta, which is why I'm all the more sadistically glad that the sequel is gonna be a Nintendo exclusive. It's gotten so bad, there are many cases of this discrimination even within Ubisoft franchises: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxpF7qlBdsU - hypocrisy at its worst.
Dashtag

#57

Dashtag said:

The Wii U is selling at a loss.

Them reducing the price would be incredibly stupid.

Buying one game DOES NOT make the Wii U sell for a profit, that was a lie.

This isn't rocket science, Ubisoft.

Peach64

#58

Peach64 said:

@ AlexSora89

It's not school yard politics! Publishers aren't skipping Wii U versions to spite Nintendo fans, but it's all about the potential sales. No 360 or PS3 users whined about Rayman Legends. That is NOT the reason Ubisoft made the decision. Zombi U was the highest selling 3rd party Wii U game, and it sold about 300k. That's a game that had a console bundle and no competition on the system, and it did 300k. Ubisoft are thinking that Rayman will be competing with NSMBU, so it's perfectly feasible to assume it would sell less than 300k. They needed to sell more, so decided to put it on PS3 and 360 too, since combined they have over 150 million consoles out there. Even if it flops on all 3, it WILL sell more than it would have as a Wii U exclusive.

DerpSandwich

#59

DerpSandwich said:

@SneakyStyle

His answer would not always be yes, because he's a businessman and he knows that it's not always a good idea to drop a price.

If you don't like the reporting, go somewhere else.

KnightRider666

#60

KnightRider666 said:

@3Dash: No it wouldn't be. They would still make it back in first party game sales. Nintendo "claims" to have an amazing first party line up to be released by the end of the year. Let's see if they deliver. I'm already not happy about being charged to move my VC purchases that I've ALREADY paid for in the past to the new system. That alone is another reason I'm hesitant to make the leap to the new console besides the lousy line-up of games available so far. Do you or anybody else for that matter see eye to eye on my opinion here?

AlexSora89

#61

AlexSora89 said:

@Peach64: Okay, that makes some sense to me. And given Ubisoft's decision, that's already a lot. (Also, I don't want to miss the point, but I never heard of such an euphemism as "school yard politics". Really!) However, there's a lot of earlier games that never got ported to Nintendo consoles. I wonder if the failure that was the Wii version of Dead Rising impacted the rest of Wii ports (or lack thereof) that much. Still, a Wii U port of the first Bayonetta in order to ease the wait for the sequel would rectify things a lot.

timp29

#62

timp29 said:

This is a troll question.... asking Ubisoft how Nintendo should run it's company. Flame on!

Tony_342

#63

Tony_342 said:

All of the people here saying "The Wii U doesn't need a price cut, it just needs games" are exactly right. Surely, even at its current price the system will be significantly cheaper than the other two systems launching later this year. How much money does Nintendo have to lose on each system they sell for people to consider it a "good deal?" Software sells the hardware. A handful of big games will change everything.

doctor_doak

#64

doctor_doak said:

@Shworange

I've held off on buying because of the lack of 'exclusive' games & current multi-platform releases (i.e. Tomb Raider/Bioshock Infinite/Metro: Last Light), and I think that's the #1 reason most people have held off on buying a Wii U, not because the system is 'too expensive' of itself. It just doesn't represent value for money at this stage, because it simply lacks 1st party content and 3rd party support. With next-gen games like Thief & Witcher 3 skipping Wii U in 2014, it's pretty safe to assume that multi-platorm support for Wii U from Western publishers (aside from UbiSoft) is already dead in the water. Without AC: IV, Rayman Legends, Watch Dogs and Splinter Cell: Blacklist on the horizon, there'd be virtually nothing in terms of 3rd party support in 2013, which is a sorry state of affairs for a system currently RRP for $428 here in Australia... $30 more than a 500 GB PS3 with a sizeable library of 1st party and 3rd party content still to come. People dont want to pay $400 just for the same Nintendo games they got on the last console.

From what i've read, NFS & Sonic & All Stars Racing were the only ports to get it right. Some of the ports are actually worse than PS3/XBOX360 versions, i.e. Arkham City, Darksiders 2 & Mass Effect 3. I know that Pikmin 3, Bayonetta 2, Wonderful 101, Wind Waker HD, Zelda HD, Smash Bros. Mario 3D/Kart, Xenogears, Shin Megami Tensei vs Fire Emblem and probably Metroid are coming at some stage, but i'm yet to be convinced about the long term viability of the machine. I want to see Nintendo actually developing new IP the same standard as a Zelda or Metroid, instead of relying exclusively on those & other stalwarts before I get too excited. They need to show that they've got more co-development arrangements going, such as the one with Platinum Games as well. It was also a mistake calling the system Wii U, but I guess we all know that.

Neram

#65

Neram said:

Software is also too expensive, it's not just the hardware prices holding people back from buying your games.

kyuubikid213

#66

kyuubikid213 said:

I think the Wii U's price is pretty great. The price is definitely going to be a factor of competition. Especially considering the PS3 and 360 launched at more expensive than that...

I agree that the Wii U's real "problem" is that there aren't any system seller games out there. All of the good games are available on other platforms. And the awesome system exclusive games are few. Once the first party games come out like Mario Kart, Zelda, and Smash Bros., the Wii U will pick up in sales.

TenEighty

#68

TenEighty said:

@LDXD No, it definitely needs a price cut. I haven't even looked through what games are available for the WiiU, simply because, I'm not spending that much on a game system. I'm just fine with my Wii, GameCube, N64...

OptometristLime

#69

OptometristLime said:

@KnightRider666
If Nintendo is selling systems at a loss already, there really is no upside for them to slash the price again. Even if they can make up the loss, that's hardly successful business; expanding sales through net-loss transactions puts them in the red fast. We can agree that the first party games will make all the difference, as usual.

astroshamu

#70

astroshamu said:

Just start off a console launch and make it way overpriced, then price drop it to the actual price you want a half a year later, people think its 100x cheaper and will make everyone happy, as long as you don't mind selling a Ton for the first half a year

LDXD

#71

LDXD said:

@TenEighty the Wii was 250 when it came out if I'm not mistaken $50 more and you're complaining? this is how things work do you think 50 or so years from now a game console will cost $250? And if you think $60 for a game nowadays is to expensive stick with older consoles or game on your phone :p

Harley

#73

Harley said:

Idc if I get hate for this, but I seriously agree with Ubisoft, even though I don't agree with some of their decisions. The system is WAY too pricey. It's as if gaming's become something that only the upper middle-class or the rich can afford. I don't know one person in my neighborhood that has a Wii U in all honesty. Until the system gets a significant price drop, I'll stick with my Wii. On another note, I wish Ubisoft would consider porting the game to the Wii with all the time they're taking out to "tweak" the game and port it on multiple platforms. If they want more copies to sell, a Wii release would be a safe bet. Because plenty of people IK still have one given it's been out for years.

CharbroiledEwok

#74

CharbroiledEwok said:

Isn't this backwards thinking? Systems don't sell games, games sell systems. Hmm...what could Ubisoft do to help increase the Wii U install base (thus, increasing sales for their own software)? Oh, if only there was a highly anticipated game - a platformer, perhaps - that would show people that great titles are available in a steady stream, even in these "dry" months...

SparkOfSpirit

#75

SparkOfSpirit said:

I wonder if they were whining about the PS3 and 360 in their first years when they were selling less than what the Wii-U is now. I doubt it, these companies have short memories.

gundam00

#76

gundam00 said:

I would like to see a price cut on video games - just sayin', $60 is too much!

Thanks Ubisoft! I look forward to seeing you price cut your video games. Something in the range of $20 - $30 bucks would be great!

.....Oh wait, Ubisoft only wants other companies to cut their prices, while Ubisoft maximizes theirs.

Fillytase

#77

Fillytase said:

@BestBuck123 Well, I got mine for Christmas and didn't spend a dime on it and I'm sure many others are in the same boat, so the "you just don't want to feel burned by a price drop" argument doesn't really fly there. Certainly, the price in the UK seems high from an American perspective, but I just chalked that up to the UK's higher wages and higher cost of living. But I understand I could be completely wrong about that take on it.

Zombie_Barioth

#78

Zombie_Barioth said:

@LDXD $60 for a single piece of software is still expensive, and saying something is cheaper now than ever doesn't make the current price any better. The fact that only a couple games cost nearly half the console's price says a lot.

The console's price by itself isn't a problem, but the value it represents compared to the competition is. If people are having trouble understanding the difference between Wii and Wii U, why would it be any different for people who already own an HD console? As it stands there just isn't enough to convince anyone but diehard Nintendo fans to buy it.

banacheck

#79

banacheck said:

The problem Nintendo has is multi-platform support Tomb Raider, Bioshock Infinite, Metro:Last Light are all multi-platform games that are not coming out on the Wii U. And there is no reason for it with the Wii U Pro controller, and obviously people are wondering whats going on. A lot of people are not going to be buying a console solely for it's first-party support, Nintendo needs 3rd party support or they are going to be in trouble.

LDXD

#80

LDXD said:

@Zombie_Barioth it's a fact that $60 is cheap for games this generation not my opinion just look at the gaming industry as a whole, developers are shutting down shop left and right development cost are sky high. Most consoles are sold at a loss nowadays if they start doing this with software too you can kiss the gaming industry goodbye

If I remember correctly the original nes when we got it back in 1986 was $200 and the games were around $35 fast forward 27 years later, $300 for a console that is sold at a loss and $60 for games isn't an extreme mark up considering the time and lets not forget n64 games were $60 also

Smug43

#83

Smug43 said:

Oh I see now... Ubisoft is somehow using watchdogs and ac black flag as an excuse to holding back rayman? WTF is wrong with publishers acting like they are doing Wii U owners a favor? This BS needs to stop already.. they claim first to technology but treat us like 3rd class console citizens..

BetweenTheTrees

#84

BetweenTheTrees said:

Ubisoft is great, they make some good games. The support is welcome but honestly, we can do good or even better without these 3rd party developers acting like the wii u is some cancer patient that needs to be talked to like a child. all these developers talk about nintendo like they are the worst thing to happen to video games. nintendo brings unique gameplay with fresh and innovative ideas. not just the same crap over and over......cough...xbox...cough.......ps3....cough. All the games i see on the 360 or ps3, well the vast majority atleast are shooters. "let's make a game where we shoot people and things!"....."great original idea!" there is nothing wrong with shooting things but thats not all there is. and nintendo sees that. if the wii u had the support like microsoft and sony, no one would bother ms or sony. everyone is just afraid to try something new.

BetweenTheTrees

#85

BetweenTheTrees said:

but i am not afraid to try something new, and i love what the wii u can do and am confident in it's future. even if it's future is once again with little to no 3rd party support. trust nintendo will make amazing games of all kinds withor without support. i have faith.

rjejr

#86

rjejr said:

Maybe Nintendo doesn't need to cut the price if they continue to let retailers advertise discounts, like a $50 GC this week at Target. (My family spends $350 every month at Target so thats as good as cash for us.) Too bad my 5% off gets eaten up by the 8.675% sales tax, but it's still $15.00 off the Basic or $17.50 off the Deluxe. If Nintendo announces an imminent Pikmin 3 date in the next 8 days I'm in.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=339687

Luffy

#87

Luffy said:

I don't get why people think its pricey. Its SUPER CHEAP 299!!! That is nothing for someone with any sort of job.

Why when people pay 599.99 for a base IPAD its ok and they don't even bat an eye! The ipad is basically useless. I know my sister has 3 of them. 1st gen,2nd, and 4th. So when I see people buying a useless pad that can browse for 6-900 depending on model. my sis only gets 64gig 3G so she pays around 900 each time.

Luffy

#89

Luffy said:

Ubi is pissing me off. After AC3 Im sick of the rehashes of the same old graphic engines. Just different buildings and different quest objectives and its a new game! WOW! AC is what 2-3 years old? and there are about 7 out? seriously! I can be happy ignoring anything ubi makes forever. bleh

Luffy

#90

Luffy said:

This just in PS4 games will be 69.99 so 10 dollars more then current gens...next xbox same thing. It was in a tweet! Whattt game prices going up?

I hope Nintendo doesn't increase the price of the next IPS to 70 cuz...dammit I'll pay it! And heck I'd pay about 150 for any Zelda game. Sadly...Nintendo has me by the balls.

Zombie_Barioth

#91

Zombie_Barioth said:

@LDXD I was talking about the price point itself, I'm well aware of development costs. You can say "but development costs" all you want but it doesn't matter, if people don't think a product it worth the price they simply won't by it.

Your right about previous consoles' prices being cheaper though, but the price of new consoles have always been a complaint. People even complained about the SNES being more than the NES's current price at the time. Software on the other hand varied. I recall some N64 games being at least $70, and more for bundles. I'm also pretty sure last gen games were $40.

Ultimately it comes down to a very different economy and more competition, people know they need enough software to make buying a console worth it but don't want to spend $60 doing so, so they go elsewhere.

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