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FEZ Creator Insists The Game Wouldn't Work On The 3DS

Posted by Damien McFerran

"It would be kind of pointless"

Indie smash hit FEZ is coming to other platforms following a period of exclusivity on Xbox Live Arcade, but sadly it doesn't look like the 3DS eShop is going to be one of them.

Creator Phil Fish — who caused quite a stir when he voiced his concerns about the Japanese games development industry and has also had some choice things to say about Nintendo's WiiWare service in the past — recently took part in a Reddit AMA session, and the question of a 3DS port was predictably raised.

Fish's response was as follows:

People keep assuming Fez would be a no-brainer on 3DS, but in truth it would be kind of pointless. The game is practically always shown in isometric 3D, there's never any perspective there. I don't think it would work.

So there you have it, direct from the developer's mouth — don't expect a 3DS version any time soon.

[via eurogamer.net, en.reddit.com]

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User Comments (116)

gamepopper

#1

gamepopper said:

He thinks it doesn't work, eh? Well I will respond with the words of Jean Luc-Picard: "Make it so."

FOREST_RANGER

#3

FOREST_RANGER said:

Well, it wasn't developed with stereoscopy in mind, so that isn't surprising. But it'd be nice to put it on the 3DS anyway. Ah well :S

Retro_on_theGo

#4

Retro_on_theGo said:

Aw. I emailed him about this. He's got a point though. Still, I think it'd look pretty damn nice in 3D. Whatever. Just please port it to a Nintendo console already!

Hyperstar96

#6

Hyperstar96 said:

A flawless 3D effect isn't mandatory. By his logic, the game wouldn't work on any system.

moo99

#11

moo99 said:

No real loss, but no one says a 3DS game must make use of the 3D effect. Fractured Soul doesn't, and none of the VC games do.

AugustusOxy

#12

AugustusOxy said:

@Melkaticox

Point taken. Played Fez, wasn't that impressed by it. Last three great games I've played have been japanese, the last three overhyped pieces of crap I've played have been American.

Silver_August

#13

Silver_August said:

A good handful of people turn off the 3D during gameplay anyways... and then of course you got Virutal Console which lack 3D all together.

3D or not a good game is a good game and putting it on more platforms expands your market and reach,

News like this doesn't make me try harder to reach the game it just makes me shrug and carry on with the same lack of interest I had before, lol

Zsxdflip

#14

Zsxdflip said:

@Spark_Of_Spirit

I really hate this Nintendo fanboy mentality. Just because a game isn't coming to your platforms of choice it isn't good? I have seen this so many times on this site, even with really fantastic games, and when developers say they don't want to or can't develop a game for a Ninty platform, fanboys start spewing out hate. I'm personally very excited for Fez on PC, as I played it on my friend's Xbox and it was a really nice looking and unique platformer.

Kyloctopus

#16

Kyloctopus said:

I would buy this, knowing the great reviews it got on XBLA, but I never got into buying it.
I see his point, because Fez is a rotating 3D world, suddenly turned 2D. I'd buy it on 3DS regardless whether it included 3D or not. Never stopped me from buying Nicalis' games.

SparkOfSpirit

#17

SparkOfSpirit said:

@Zsxdflip I own a 360, but thanks for the generalization. Because no one could possibly think Fez is garbage, right?

Give me a break. Next time, try not jumping to conclusions.

tyrone

#18

tyrone said:

Sorry, he's wrong. Fez probably would work, particularly when switching from orthographic to perspective. All our 2D-based games on 3DS are orthographic projection, but we "force" the 3D layering manually, by hand

ArcanaXVI

#19

ArcanaXVI said:

The game need not be 3D, of course. Look at Fractured Soul. Sadly, though, Fish probably wouldn't listen to such arguments.

Captain_Toad

#22

Captain_Toad said:

@Zsxdflip "FEZ isn't coming to the 3ds? Ah the game sucks anyway Huhdurr"

In all seriousness just release it anyway 3d or not. Don't wanna disappoint the fans wishing for it on the 3ds.

Retro_on_theGo

#27

Retro_on_theGo said:

My heart... It's so sad to see people here hate this game just because of stuff Phil has said or it's not coming to the 3DS. This game is a beautiful, magical experience. I don't care about the creator's comments on the Japanese game market. And I love Japanese games. This game is amazing.

LordJumpMad

#28

LordJumpMad said:

Putting a good game on the 3DS would never work.
I guess we can blame people for buy shovleware, over good games.

Haxonberik

#29

Haxonberik said:

As much of a jerk as Phil might be, this game looks great, so I'll probably still get it when I pick up a new PC

Ren

#31

Ren said:

game is great. And yeah, doesn't need 3d and would kind of kill the effect that is central to the game. If you play it you'll see that most of it wouldn't actually work in real 3d, that's how the mechanic works to trick you and make you think. Even 2d would be cool, though, on 3ds. Also the viewing angle is very wide so it could be frustrating on a small screen.

Capt_N

#32

Capt_N said:

Questions to rhetorically ask:
1. Does, or has this dev made/make it clear that he likes Nintendoo, their platforms, their policies, etc.?
2. Does this dev have a history of snubbing Nintendo, &/or other co.s?
3. Does this dev legitimately mean what he says/feels what he says he feels? Remember, some devs would put their titles to Nintendo/MS/Sony's consoles, if it weren't for those co.s policies.

I imagine, w/o knowing anything about this dev, aside from his colorful words about WiiWare, which does have issues, I imagine he's (legitimately) got it in his head that there's something (whether there is in reality, or not, that) he doesn't want to (have to) deal w/ in regards to putting/getting the game on the 3ds eShop.

Blue_Yoshi

#33

Blue_Yoshi said:

A true developer would have MADE it work on the 3DS! Seriously like legit you want as big of an audience as possible and the 3DS has a big audience. I'm learning about video game development in college right now and with Fez and its unique concept, it would definitely have a huge fanbase on the 3DS.

Grodus

#34

Grodus said:

@Hyperstar96 No, by his logic, if any game that doesn't take full advantage of all the system's advantages in the best way possible, it automatically is a terrible game. He must HATE the NSMB series.

Neram

#36

Neram said:

So, basically he's saying "It's always shown in 3D, so it wouldn't work with 3D." Maybe I'm misunderstanding him but that sounds like he's contradicting himself. By the looks of it, this game would be a perfect fit for 3DS. I could care less, though, Phil Fish is an a**hole and I don't support a**hole's games, so I wouldn't buy it anyway.

LeVideoGamer

#37

LeVideoGamer said:

Eh, I wouldn't really want it on the 3DS anyway. I've been stalling on buying it for my 360, so if it doesn't come to the Wii U, then I'll just go ahead and buy it on the XBLA.

ToastyYogurt

#38

ToastyYogurt said:

I think I can see why he thinks it would be "pointless for the game to be on 3DS. As far as I know (haven't played it yet, waiting for the PC port), Fez's main aspect is puzzles that rely on the fact that you can only see the 3D world on a 2D plane, one side at a time. The 3D effect would ruin these puzzles, because it would show things not your way to be pushed back when in 2D it would look like it was in your way. That would ruin the game. And if he released it on 3DS in 2D, there would doubtless be quite a few complainers.

Also, just because the game is "indie" and not made by Nintendo doesn't mean you should hate it. I heard XBLA Indie was horrible, but most indie games on Steam are fantastic. And hating a game because it's not by your favorite company and it's not an exclusive is a very narrow minded way to think, and it doesn't make you any better than the Ninty haters out there.

SparkOfSpirit

#39

SparkOfSpirit said:

Who here didn't like the game because it wasn't made by Nintendo? I'm wondering why this keeps coming up.

C7_

#45

C7_ said:

He does have a point. The whole point is that you can't see how platforms stack up without using the 3D flip feature.

Would want to see it on WiiU eshop, despite his comments on WiiWare. I mean it was abysmal

Spoony_Tech

#46

Spoony_Tech said:

The point is he's logic doesn't really make sense. Who cares if its 3d or not. The game looks simple enough that it will run on the hardware. If its priced right and rates good it should sell!

ultraraichu

#48

ultraraichu said:

I can't really comment on the matter since this is the first time I heard of this game.

On a side note since there's no plan of a 3ds version, what about a wii u version. I apologize for my cluelessness, I don't keep track of indie games too often.

SethNintendo

#49

SethNintendo said:

So he is talking to Sony to put it on Vita (when someone asked about a Vita version) and he quickly dismissed a 3DS version. So let me get this straight... It somehow makes more sense to release a game on a hand held that has sold less than 5M while ignoring a user base of over 30M. Sounds pretty logical.

Leave the 3D out (if he believes it won't work), change the rumble puzzles to something else (have an audio clue). Sometimes developers just like to come up with any excuse. Just like some that said they aren't planning a Wii U version of game because they can't think of anything to do with the gamepad. Guess what developers? You don't have to use every option that a console provides.

Dpullam

#51

Dpullam said:

@Dpishere Yeah I have it too so I really don't need it on 3DS. I will say that the frame rate problems at times were pretty horrible.

Chrono_Cross

#52

Chrono_Cross said:

@SethNintendo

You obviously don't understand Phil Fish. He's not money hungry with his eyes open to every opportunity there is. It took him (a one man band/developer), nearly half a decade to develop Fez and it was a bumpy ride for him. It was difficult for him to develop an innovative game all by himself on a difficult platform.

Yet you, a consumer who thinks game developing is all sunshine and rainbows, demands a "real" answer to why Fez won't release on your beloved toy. Maybe Phil doesn't want to do that since he already achieved his goal of releasing Fez with successful ratings and sales. Maybe, just maybe, he's sick of death threats and didn't want to anger the community any more with the blatant truth.

It's not announced for the Vita, though, that's no reason to get upset. It's his time, resources and, most importantly, his game.

SethNintendo

#53

SethNintendo said:

@Chrono_Cross, Ah so he is like a video game saint huh? He doesn't care about making money.

[–]MSTRGEO 136 points 8 hours ago
If PC's are made for spreedsheets, why are you porting Fez then?

[–]PHIL_FISH[S] 560 points 8 hours ago
for profit.

"FEZ is coming out on steam PC on may 1 -mac and linux versions to eventually follow -we're working with sony on bringing FEZ to PSN and VITA -and we're also working with OUYA on port for that -iOs also highly probable"

Seems like he has plenty of time and energy to port his game to a decent amount of platforms. I suspect he just has a grudge against Nintendo for some reason. All WiiWare issues have been fixed and Nintendo doesn't even charge for patching (which can be a big fee for each patch on other systems). I just don't see a legit reason to ignore Wii U and 3DS eshops while porting it to Steam, Mac, even a Linux and OUYA port...

You seem to like to stick up for someone that doesn't have a legitimate excuse.

NImH

#54

NImH said:

@Chrono_Cross you should be friends with Fish... You seem like you'd understand the deep issues of his life.
"...half a decade." Hahaha!

Fish is probably just tired of Fez.

Zodiak13

#55

Zodiak13 said:

Hey if he hates Nintendo and thats his reason, that is fine. I'd rather he just come out and say it, but that's a bad business decision. Fact is he clearly does not want to make it for Nintendo, end of story. I know if I made an amazing game, I would never develop it for any Sony or IOS system because I detest them. That would be my choice, this is his choice so it's nothing to get upset over.

aaronsullivan

#56

aaronsullivan said:

Wow. I'm very interested in Fez and believe the "pointless" comment is shortsighted, but what is with all the nastiness here?

Ren

#57

Ren said:

"it would be kind of pointless" doesn't sound like "insisting" to me. Play the game people, it really doesn't need and shouldn't be in actual 3d. theres no reason to port it because it's not that easy to do. he's got a good deal elsewhere; why should he be obligated to put it on YOUR game machine? It doesn't make him evil incarnate. Grow up, guys.

gundam00

#58

gundam00 said:

Fish is such a perfectionist, it would take him another five years just to do a direct port over to the 3DS.

FOREST_RANGER

#59

FOREST_RANGER said:

If it makes you guys a bit better, his view of developing for XBLA seems to be grim and not too well :P

WesCash

#61

WesCash said:

That's a shame. And the excuse he gave is a poor one, as people have already pointed out. I wish developers would just be honest and upfront about their decisions.

Fillytase

#63

Fillytase said:

Phil Fish never expressed his "concerns" with Japanese game development. He said "your games are ... terrible." Kind of big difference there.

Chrono_Cross

#64

Chrono_Cross said:

Seems like he has plenty of time and energy to port his game to a decent amount of platforms. I suspect he just has a grudge against Nintendo for some reason. All WiiWare issues have been fixed and Nintendo doesn't even charge for patching (which can be a big fee for each patch on other systems). I just don't see a legit reason to ignore Wii U and 3DS eshops while porting it to Steam, Mac, even a Linux and OUYA port...
You seem to like to stick up for someone that doesn't have a legitimate excuse.

There's not a market for his game. Even if the install base is decent, he's not going to support a service that barely anyone acknowledges and a service that's backed up with outdated hardware.

The community that wanys Fez more than any other is the Sony fanbase.


you should be friends with Fish... You seem like you'd understand the deep issues of his life. "...half a decade." Hahaha! Fish is probably just tired of Fez.

I watched that indy developer movie with him in it. Very interesting. So I sort get a jiff of what he went through. And I believe he's tired of Fez but who knows, lol.


Uh, he just said it was coming for the Vita...

Probably because it's coming out on PSN. Cross-play sounds like a fantastic exclusive feature to have.


Phil Fish never expressed his "concerns" with Japanese game development. He said "your games are ****ing terrible." Kind of big difference there.

He has every right to brag. No need to get all offended.

kkslider5552000

#65

kkslider5552000 said:

i'd honestly agree with him, but he acts like more than a few 3DS games have worthwhile use of 3D anyway...

Melkaticox

#66

Melkaticox said:

@Chrono_Cross Hey, he deserves it. I support as many indie titles as I can, I even support full priced games (in other words, I don't buy used games) to help the industry, but that donkey doesn't deserve my support. As simple as that.

TheRegginator

#67

TheRegginator said:

It doesn't have to have 3D. Just port the game to the 3DS and stop making up cop outs. I'm getting real tired of all the bull that comes out of Phil's mouth. I don't even know if I want to buy the PC version from such an arrogant prick anymore.

LordJumpMad

#69

LordJumpMad said:

I don't see why everyone is mad, Phil never said no, he said; "I don't think it would work", that doesn't mean there isn't a chance for the game to be made on the 3DS.
Not that you guys really care, most of you are mad because it sounded like a insult to your gimmicky handheld console.

Bankai

#71

Bankai said:

To be fair Fez is a crap game.

But really, I can't imagine how anyone here is even close to being able to judge better than Fish whether HIS game will work on 3DS or not.

Peach64

#72

Peach64 said:

2012's Game of the Year for me. Amazing game. The people calling it a crappy indie game that they didn't want anyway is the exact reason I get annoyed but this comments section. It's such a childish reaction. I understand that not everyone will like it, but you don't win that many GOTY awards if your game is 'crappy'.

And I don't get how anyone could call him a lazy developer either. He's a perfectionist and it shows in his game, and now he's going to be porting it to several platforms. How is that lazy?

Chrono_Cross

#73

Chrono_Cross said:

@Peach64 Not to mention the reception he's been receiving over the last couple years, lol.

I agree with your opinion, though. One of the best games out there.

ThreadShadow

#74

ThreadShadow said:

The point of the whole game is shifting through a 3D world on a 2D plain. The 3D view is never static, and the gameplay is always presented in 2D, so basically you are taking away the point of the game by giving the 3D world 3D depth when it's resting on the 2D plain.

AtomicToaster

#75

AtomicToaster said:

I dont really use the 3d anyway.... So he's making it for wiiu then :). I thought this game was an awesome concept, its funny how the guy being such a prick put me offol of it!

Cirno

#76

Cirno said:

I don't like FEZ. I really don't, it's really not that good, in my opinion. Not to mention after seeing what he said I felt kinda bad for giving the arsehole money. There are many other indie games I'd much rather spend my money on (The 360 port of Terraria, if they don't screw up controls wise, will be an example of this, as it's already fantasic on PC)

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Moorpheel

#79

Moorpheel said:

And there goes another developer thinking every 3DS game MUST be 3D.

I mean, is it really that hard to put a "2D mode only" note on the box/eShop page?

DreamDrop

#81

DreamDrop said:

Funny how Indie devs think they're suddenly so "big" that they can make such claims. Do all games on the 3DS have 3D support? NO!

Bulbousaur

#82

Bulbousaur said:

How idiotic. That's like saying you need to use motion controls on a Wii or the Six Axis on a PS3 game. Oh well, less money for him I guess.

ejamer

#83

ejamer said:

Really disappointed to hear that "fez should eventually be out on pretty much everything" (quote from Phil Fish) followed up with news that 3DS isn't even being considered.

Last I heard, Nintendo had clearly stated that 3DS games don't need to make use of the 3D effect. Some games already out on the eShop don't. So if that's really the only reason/excuse holding the game back then maybe the developer will reconsider? Or maybe he's not interested in the platform due to the usual anti-Nintendo bias.

Also lame to hear people - most who haven't even tried the game - blindly bashing the game and developer. Having more games on 3DS would be a good thing, especially when that means award-winning games that are available on virtually every other gaming platform.

Marioman64

#85

Marioman64 said:

yeah, the point of fez is that when you turn perspectives it makes everything platformable on a flat surface. if things were popping out in 3d, that wouldn't work... although who says you NEED 3d effects on a 3dsware game?
also, Fez is REALLY HARD, I mean, puzzles involving binary conversion to ascii, rotating letters written in code to spell something not found in the game itself, scanning a qr code that can't be scanned using the 3ds scanner because its too purple. it's really fun, but REALLY hard

PORYGON

#86

PORYGON said:

It doesn't even need to be in 3D. The game is what we want, not the effect.

Bobhobob

#87

Bobhobob said:

Love this game, hate this guy.
Honestly, I could care less as I'm already planning to buy the PC version, but a 3DS version would be nice. I can see his point though.

yobokkie

#89

yobokkie said:

I love all these developers who make one or two good games and are now experts on all matters of game development. Not referring to this game coming to 3ds or not, just his other loudly-voiced opinions. Make a few more games that are successful and I'll start listening. Ironically the best developers don't usually comment on the industry, so the void is filled by one or two hit wonders with something to prove.

CanisWolfred

#90

CanisWolfred said:

I can understand it. IIRC, the point of the world is that it's in 2D except when you shift the world to the right and left to the next 2D plane. So when would you use the 3D that often?

SteveW

#91

SteveW said:

who really cares... the 3D effect doesn't work well on most 3DS games anyway (not the systems fault it's the developers), I usually play with 3D turned off.

LordessMeep

#92

LordessMeep said:

The first time I've heard of him (only started keeping up with news recently) and I dislike Phil Fish already. He's certainly not endearing himself to the Nintendo fanbase with his opinions. The whole "Japanese games suck!" thing makes me facepalm, considering a whole bunch of good games that I've played in the last few years have been of Japanese origin.
On the other hand, Fez looks lovely. Not every game HAS to use 3D, so if he reconsiders, I might just buy it (as much as I dislike the idea of supporting this guy). If not, PC it is.

manic221

#94

manic221 said:

Word from the wise (IE someone whose played this game) this is not a great game and certainly not one to get excited for, the platforming was really poor and slightly floaty in a very dissatisfying way also the game was just boring, trust me guys you aren't missing much just replay Mario you'll have more fun i guarantee you.

CanisWolfred

#95

CanisWolfred said:

@manic221 It's more of a puzzle game than a platformer. If you go in expecting Mario, you'll be disappointed. If you go in expecting mindbending puzzles, you'll have a blast. The puzzles are really creative and thought out, and the world is interesting and fun to explore. I certainly enjoyed it more than any other Puzzle-Platformer I'd played before.

CanisWolfred

#96

CanisWolfred said:

@Everyone who thinks this should be on the 3DS without using the 3D:

How do you know Nintendo doesn't require 3D to count as 3DSWare? And Do you really think people would want that? "The selling point is that you can see games in 3D, yet here's a game that blantantly doesn't make use of that feature" <- does that really sound like a good idea, and not false advertisement? And, if you're a developer, what would be the point of going through all the effort porting the game to a completely different system, that uses completely different code and provides all kinds of new challenges, when you're not gonna use its main features?

Honestly, all of that sounds like bull$#!+ to me.

Windy

#97

Windy said:

Bummer! I liked Indie game the movie and he was going through the pains of making Fez. If you guys get a Chance Checkout Indie Game the Movie on Netflix

sonicriders

#99

sonicriders said:

Crap. So the 3DS is all about 3D again...how about you just port the game over because you want the GAME on the 3DS, not just because it wouldn't work in "3D". UGH!

eltomo

#100

eltomo said:

One of the best games on xbox, a portable version would be ideal. I still ain't getting no Vita.

Windy

#101

Windy said:

I would like to see Fez in 3d on 3DS but.... and a great big but.....if it doesn't work right in 3D by all means do it in 2d the game still looks great and would be a welcome game to the 3DS Eshop whether it's in 2d or 3d. My personal Pref is 3D but what can ya do? :)

Windy

#102

Windy said:

@CanisWolfred I totally agree. I've been a major complainer in the past that the system is a Playstation 2 powered unit capable of producing 3d images and should be treated as such from Devs and actually gamers. I like classic games just as much as the next guy but really I would like to see the classics if brought to the system get the 3D treatment such as Kid Icarus 3d got.

Moorpheel

#105

Moorpheel said:

Seriously, Nintendo themselves have mentioned that the 3D is not an VITAL feature. Quite the contrary, if developers stopped using it, they could make better looking games.

There are several 3DS games that don't use 3D and just because the name of the console is "3DS" it doesn't mean you'll be making false advertisement. That's what disclaimers are for.

Windy

#106

Windy said:

Now back to Fez! Fez-Man look you can put it on the 3DS and call it DSiWare, EshopWare, 3DS-Ware, UnderWare :P Or whatever you need to call it. 3d or no 3d people will buy it. Ok I'm being goofy

AcesHigh

#107

AcesHigh said:

This guy just has a hard-on against Nintendo. Sorry dude, there is absolutely nothing about this game that couldn't be done on the 3DS. If it can be done on XBLA, it absolutely can be done on 3DS just purely from a technical perspective. If you don't want to go all out on 3D perspectives just make the different planes of the foreground and background be the 3D separators.

Now, whether you don't like dealing with Nintendo is another story. I definitely have no desire to play this game. I personally am getting sick of these indie games and sub-par graphics concepts. But that doesn't keep me from saying it couldn't be done on 3DS though. Get over yourself. You're still an indie and your game isn't THAT good.

Fillytase

#108

Fillytase said:

@Chrono_Cross #65 Who said I was "all offended"? The article had misinformation, I was correcting it. "Expressing concerns" implies some degree of constructive criticism. Making blanket statements like "Japanese games are all terrible" tells no one anything about what is supposedly, actually wrong with them.

Windy

#111

Windy said:

@spamineggs It doesn't have to be in 3d. Fez would be a pretty good seller in the Eshop 3d or not. Some people like myself prefer it would be 3d and some people prefer not. I dont think it would really matter with the popularity of the game already. people would buy either way

3dbrains

#112

3dbrains said:

Developers like this one should grow up, get off their lazy arses and get programming if they want to last in this industry. How pathetic. Isnt this the same guy who said all Japanese devs are no good? What a twit.

ecco6t9

#113

ecco6t9 said:

It always amazes me what was done with the Game Boy,Game Boy Color, and Game Boy Advance.

Now hack developers will not even try to make a compact version of their games.
Especially with that T-Tex prototype out.

moroboshi

#115

moroboshi said:

@tyrone The whole point of Fez is that the world is 2D. Even when it's rotating in '3D' it's isometric with no depth. To force some 3D into it would destroy the entire design aesthetic of the game.

moroboshi

#116

moroboshi said:

@Henmii You do know that Polytron consist of just two guys don't you? They're porting Fez to Stream now, and I dare say a PS3 version might come at some point. They obviously have very limited funds and development capacity, so will target the largest platforms they can. You can bet an iOS version is far, far more likely than Wii U or 3DS.

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