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Sumo Digital: Mario Kart Could Learn From Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed

Posted by Andy Green

"We've pushed the genre forward with this game"

Racing games aren't exactly in abundance for Wii U at the moment. Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed represents the only racer on Nintendo's new console at this current time, with Need For Speed: Most Wanted set to emerge later in the launch window.

Some may see titles like Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed as Mario Kart rip-offs but the game's developer, Sumo Digital, doesn't believe this is the case, and thinks that Nintendo could learn a thing or two from the blue hedgehog's new racer.

Speaking to MyWiiU.com.au, the game's executive producer Steve Lycett said that whereas Mario Kart tends to stick to tracks from the Mario Universe his game instead branches out into other SEGA franchises, something he feels makes the experience more varied. Lycett also believes the new split screen style which allows 5 players to progress through the game together is "a big step up from what's been before".

What I'm hoping is Nintendo will now have to take a leaf from our game for their next Mario Kart. I think we've pushed the genre forward with this game.

What do you think? Can Nintendo learn something from Sonic & All Stars Racing Transformed, or is it best to carry on with its own style? Let us know in the comments below.

[via mywiiu.com.au]

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Wonder_Ideal

#1

Wonder_Ideal said:

If Mario takes a leaf from this game, will it turn him into hedgehog Mario?
I think Mario Kart could better itself by using the new abilities of the Wii U in a similar way to Sonic and All Stars Racing.

IsawYoshi

#2

IsawYoshi said:

While I think there are stuff mario kart can learn from this game, mario kart is still better. I think it has something to do with the fact that the mario universe is (for my part) a much more interesting one. And mario kart is the best game ever, so yeah... :D

OracleOfTruth

#4

OracleOfTruth said:

I think Mario Kart could take some notes here. This game, from what I've researched, is no Mario Kart clone. I, for one, can't wait to play it and to read the NL review.

Yosher

#5

Yosher said:

I'd rather have Mario Kart to stay Mario Kart. For Nintendo universe cross-overs, we have Super Smash Brothers.

I have to say though that it'd be interesting to have a race across Hyrule Field, or through space in Corneria, or ride around on Dream Land (again). Though I'd still prefer Mario Kart to stay as it is. I can't wait for Mario Kart Wii U!

Shining-Void

#6

Shining-Void said:

It would be amazing if they used tracks from other games besides Mario. Maybe a lost woods, area 6, or good egg galaxy race. It probably won't happen, but whatever.

NTELLIGENTMAN

#7

NTELLIGENTMAN said:

I'd love to see Nintendo Kart featuring Mario Kart, the Star Fox Tank, Wario's motorcycle, an F-Zero vehicle, Epona, Advance Wars vehicles, the Excitebike racer, a star, etc. That would be so much fun. Imagine a homing Bomb-Chu instead of the blue spiky shell.

rastamadeus

#9

rastamadeus said:

I own the game on PS3 and its really good. There are things they could learn for Mario Kart 8 from it but there's things that they - nor anybody - should do like Sumo have: having Wreck It Ralph and that NASCAR driver in it. Having them two in rather than Sega characters is disgusting on Sumo's part and they and Sega should be ashamed of themselves for it.

Squashie

#10

Squashie said:

Whilst I love Sonic and Sega All Stars Racing, Mario Kart remains far superior and I am much more of a fan of Mario Kart!

GoldenBanana

#11

GoldenBanana said:

NTELLIGENTMAN:
Epona would be awesome ! zero drag in grass, able to jump over things, and carrot turbos rechargeable over time =P

Nintenjoe64

#12

Nintenjoe64 said:

Every 'Mario Kart beater' I have ever played has been fun at first and sometimes look better than the current MK, but then a couple of years down the line I still want to play MK which is more than I can say for Street Racer, Diddy Kong Racing or LBP Racing!

Having said that, I think Nintendo owes us a Mario Kart with more than 32 tracks and proper DLC tracks!

seronja

#13

seronja said:

i think the next mario kart could use a note or 2 from this game and make a double dash sequel with some elements os s&s all stars transformed... that would be awesome =D

DreamyViridi

#14

DreamyViridi said:

For the most part, nah. The Mario Kart is better anyway.
But the concept of tracks or characters from other franchises is interesting.
I can imagine Mario showing the Karts to Link and Zelda and Luigi explaining the items to Pit, Palutena and Viridi; Viridi would absolutely love the Fire Flower. :)

kdognumba1

#15

kdognumba1 said:

I personally think the game is a bit more like Diddy Kong Racing then it is Mario Kart. I also think all games can learn from each other as there is no perfect game.

shingi_70

#16

shingi_70 said:

The first game is better than Mario Kart, so its not surprising this one would be as well.

DRLAdmin

#17

DRL said:

Even though MKWii and MK7 are very good games, I hope Nintendo changes things up significantly for the next installment. The series is ready for a shakeup!

Oh, and I agree with the people who think injecting the Nintendo universe into a kart racer could be incredible. If done right, of course.

C-Olimar

#19

C-Olimar said:

The track design in Mario Kart is better than this game's. I'll still be getting this though!

WildMan

#21

WildMan said:

I think Ninty could use a few new ideas from them.. At least to me, MK7 felt like it was rushed and not that great of a game.

AVahne

#22

AVahne said:

"I think we've pushed the genre forward with this game."
Not at all, but still a good game. It has a few nice tricks, but it's still not as good as Mario Kart.

Zombie_Barioth

#23

Zombie_Barioth said:

I wouldn't mind seeing other Nintendo franchises but at the same time it wouldn't make as much sense to me, after all it is Mario Kart (though R.O.B was in one)

What would work really well is expanding on the Mario related franchises like Donkey Kong and Wario, I don't know about you guys but I certainly wouldn't mind smoking Bowser as Cranky Kong.B-)

ecco6t9

#24

ecco6t9 said:

Spoken like a true 2nd place game, nothing wrong with that it is something to respect since the team in 2nd always has to try a little harder each time.

SparkOfSpirit

#25

SparkOfSpirit said:

It doesn't have item spam like Mario Kart Wii which already makes it better than that game, and it doesn't have a bad framerate and boring tracks like Mario Kart 64, so it MUST be better than at least SOME of the Mario Kart games, guys. ;)

Besides, we need a new Diddy Kong Racing. Nintendo should get Sumo for that one and hire David Wise for the soundtrack.

Dambuster

#26

Dambuster said:

one think mario kart needs to learn is how to make it easy to play online... takes me ages to get a race then 99% of time i get kicked out half way through race (3ds)

rjejr

#27

rjejr said:

I hope it's better than LBP Karting which seems to be too much LBP and not enough karting, and F1 Race Stars, a karting game that doesn't drift, that just makes it feel broken when playing it. They both got 5/10 on PS, not good.

So when is Mario Kart U coming out? Any conceivable chance of it being named something else? And hopefully not the same month as SSBU. Nearly 5 years ago wow, no wonder the Wii has seemed so dead these past few years.

Hybrid

#28

Hybrid said:

Mario Kart needs to learn from Crash Team Racing (the original).
The overworld set-up in that game was brilliant. I'd love to see that in MK.

GameLord08

#29

GameLord08 said:

I wouldn't say they've "pushed the genre forward" per sé, but Mario Kart could indeed take a few notes from this game. From what I've seen and heard, I can assure you that Sonic Racing is far from being the average Mario Kart clone. They both have their respective advantages and strong points over each other, but there's no harm in taking a small lesson from other competitors in the genre.

Remember, Mario Kart isn't the best wacky racing game out there; only the biggest.

Void

#30

Void said:

So... Exactly what do they want Nintendo to do with the next Mario Kart?
Make it 'better' by putting random people/characters as part of the line-up of racers? :P

Rapadash6

#31

Rapadash6 said:

I played this game on the 360 on Saturday and really enjoyed it, but it felt a lot different than Mario Kart does. Not better or worse mind you, but I feel like other than the fact that both games are kart racers, they each offer unique experiences which helps them each stand on thier own. I plan to get the Wii U version after they patch up the few issues that have cropped up sinse Sunday's release. I hear it's the best version outside of those little glitches.

Emaan

#32

Emaan said:

I'm sorry what? Did this game not 'learn a thing or two' from last year's Mario Kart 7?

TheRegginator

#34

TheRegginator said:

Nintendo has already done that. Not only does Mario Kart have tracks in it based on the main series, there are tracks based on the spin-off series, Donkey Kong series, and the Mii series. I don't want to see anymore than that. Seeing Zelda, Metroid, Kirby, etc. characters and tracks in Mario Kart would be dumb.

SirSmugleaf

#35

SirSmugleaf said:

I find it ironic that at the same time Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing did a lot of copy-and-pasting from Mario Kart!

StarDust4Ever

#36

StarDust4Ever said:

Which game gives a better overall experience, LBP racing (PS3) or Sega All-Stars Wii-U? I've got the Wii-U deluxe console, but my Mom's holding it for me until Christmas. I'm currently waiting for a price drop on LBP racing before I buy it. Both racers look like excellent alternatives to Mario Kart. I can't wait to try them both as well as MarioKart 8 in the future.

Tsuchiya

#37

Tsuchiya said:

@StarDust
I'd suggest you go with Sonic All-Stars if you like the genre, plus when Mario Kart 8 arrives you'll have all the crazy racing you'll ever need on the one system :)

Jukilum

#38

Jukilum said:

It sounds like he's saying that what they did to "push the genre forward" based on this article is add a fifth player on the Gamepad. That's really not a whole lot.

SilverArrow

#39

SilverArrow said:

It's Mario Kart. Not Nintendo Kart. So having other Nintendo IP's appear in it makes no sense.

SheldonRandoms

#41

SheldonRandoms said:

Then the next Mario Kart for the Wii U is released........

I'm still gonna get the game for 3DS, but that got delayed until Feb. 2013, If I were to have known that, then I would have gotten the Wii U version, oh well, Also Ristar should have been a playable character instead of the flagman.

SparkOfSpirit

#43

SparkOfSpirit said:

Transformed was already well in development when MK7 was announced, guys. They couldn't have made a game like this in less than a year.

Anyways, ANYTHING would be an improvement on MKWii. Double Dash still blows that one away.

Chrono_Cross

#45

Chrono_Cross said:

If Mario takes a leaf from this game, will it turn him into hedgehog Mario?

I always thought a leaf would turn Mario into a Tanooki. :P

DrDaisy

#47

DrDaisy said:

If nothing else, Nintendo should add the option to set the volume of character voices.

grimbldoo

#48

grimbldoo said:

Mario Kart has been ripped off by EA and Sony multiple times, they are obviously doing something right. And it would be weird for MARIO Kart to showcase tracks based off of LoZ. MK7 had the cars change a bit when they entered the air or water, so they can't learn that, now can they?

@LordJumpMad #34
Ha, ha, thanks for the laugh, LJM.

DarkNinja9

#49

DarkNinja9 said:

well i thought it was interesting how the cars transform in this game but thats about it that i know =/

but i think mario kart could learn a thing or two maybe on the controls that this game uses? i know for sure i agree with @Nintenjoe64 about having more then 32 tracks which some are from older consoles which can be boring later on but also having DLC tracks or items would be nice even costumazible parts :o

tabris95

#50

tabris95 said:

I think if there was a Super Smash Kart Racing, i would never pick anyone other than Captain Falcon! XD

Kohaku

#51

Kohaku said:

Mario Kart must be Mario Kart. Only thing I want is that we can make our own circuits like in LBP Karting.

LEGEND_MARIOID

#52

LEGEND_MARIOID said:

They're similar but they're significantly different as well. Both are very good, but Sonic Racing technically very much doesn't beat Mario Kart. I like it though.

XD375

#55

XD375 said:

A lot of these comments couldn't be any more wrong...

First of all, it wasn't Sumo's idea to use Danica Patrick or Wreck-It Ralph in the game. Steve Lycett from Sumo said himself back in June that he actually warned SEGA that the fans wouldn't be happy. However, SEGA went through with it and as a result the game has a higher budget. Sumo also went and made Danica and unlockable character so that players don't even have to see her if they don't want to.

Secondly, this game did not rip off Mario Kart 7 as it has been in development since 2010, shortly after the first game's release. Sumo reported that there was a lot of shock and confusion when they watched Nintendo's press conference together in 2011, though. XD

Thirdly, I see a lot of hate going around here towards this game, and all I can ask of you all is to try it before you knock it. I personally adore this game and I'm doing nothing to hide that. However, I don't think comparisons to Mario Kart are justified. Mario Kart is a party racer - Nintendo has even said this in the past. This game is more of an arcade racer like OutRun or Hydro Thunder, only with power-ups. Simply put, both games hold very different places on the gaming spectrum.

Sun

#56

Sun said:

The most important this is as primal as fixing the game bugs!! I want to buy this game when they are fixed:

Gamespot review:
'Boost Race events are broken to the point where they are impossible to complete.
Battle mode simply does not work as intended. On one stage, players spawn in the middle of space and fall to their deaths until you quit or the game ends. On most others, players spawn practically on top of each other'.

MeloMan

#57

MeloMan said:

In other words, Mario Kart should become Nintendo Kart. While I'm sure it's be interesting having Link in a cart and racing around Zebes, Nintendo already has another Nintendo "All-Stars" game... it's called SSB ;)

Henmii

#58

Henmii said:

From what I have heard/seen so far (I have yet to read some reviews though) this seems pretty nice. Better then anyone could have expected!

So yeah, I might buy it someday! Who knows!

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