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Rumour: Sonic 20th Birthday Pack Not Just Selling 16-Bit Memories

Posted by James Newton

Best of Sonic in glorious 3D... wait, come back!

It's a rich old time for fans of classic side-scrolling platformers: Super Mario Bros. celebrated its 25th anniversary recently, and next year – June 23rd, to be precise – is the 20th anniversary of Sonic the Hedgehog. With Nintendo having pushed the boat out to commemorate its iconic hero's 25th – a red Wii for Europe, Super Mario All-Stars for Europe and, er, a website for North America – Sega obviously wants to make a big noise about the blue one's birthday, with rumours pointing to a new Sonic Anniversary Collection that's perhaps not what you'd expect.

According to Spanish website Sonic Paradise, a Sega representative confirmed the pack during a discussion at this year's Gamesfest 2010. Rather than offering yet another compilation of Sonic's 16-bit glory days, the pack will apparently offer classic 'hog levels "updated for modern consoles", which could mean anything from a 3D reimagining (a la Sonic Adventure 2's secret Green Hill Zone) to a lot of graphical sprucing. Apparently the representative affirmed the pack would be on the way to Wii, DS and PlayStation 3 next year.

That's not all: the same representative also claimed a new entry in the Mario & Sonic series was inbound for 2012, presumably to coincide with the London Olympics, although the game's genre was not confirmed, leaving that long-awaited platformer tantalisingly close.

Remember, these are rumours until Sega officially announces either title, but we'll do some investigating and see what turns up.

[via tssznews.com, translate.google.com]

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y2josh

#1

y2josh said:

Even in Sonic Adventure, I don't think Sonic should be 3D. 2.5D at most.

CanisWolfred

#2

CanisWolfred said:

I'm not sure I should be happy to hear that or not. We'll see if there's any grain of truth to this next year anyways.

JimLad

#3

JimLad said:

Seems like only yesterday was the 10th anniversary, when they were packaging a demo of Sonic Adventure 2 in with Phantasy Star Online on the Dreamcast.
Right before they canned it. :(

Sabrewing

#4

Sabrewing said:

Hmm. Interesting. Hopefully it won't just be yet another re-compilation of 1/2/3&K. Some love for Sonic CD would be nice.

James

#5

James said:

Only with the European/Japanese soundtrack, though!

Naturally I'm looking forward to this.

BulbasaurusRex

#6

BulbasaurusRex said:

I want to finally see a rerelease of Knuckles Chaotix, although it would be strange to include a "Sonic game" that Sonic isn't even in to help celebrate Sonic's birthday. Whatever it is, it's likely to be near the top of my birthday list next August.

Sabrewing

#8

Sabrewing said:

Oh, yeah, Chaotix would be nice, too. And maybe, despite its use of a trackball, SegaSonic the Hedgehog (the three-player arcade game) could be adapted in some capacity?

AUnkownFuture

#9

AUnkownFuture said:

Sega could just give Sonic Adventure 2 to PSN and XBLA.I have a good few sonic games for wii and gamecube like Sonic Mega Collection,Sonic Gems Collection and etc.Yea im looking forward to this as well.

madgear

#10

madgear said:

Let me get this straight - this is going to be a Sonic retro gaming compilation re-done with modern day graphics as in Mario Allstars? That's bloody awesome!

I hope they cover all the Megadrive titles and stick Sonic CD in there (however UK music tracks this time please!)

FonistofCruxis

#11

FonistofCruxis said:

A compilation of retro sonic games remade with modern graphics? That sounds awesome, nintendo should've done this with super mario all-stars 25th anniversary edition. I hope the new mario and sonic game isn't just another olympics game. It would be cool if mario and sonic were in a platformer or advenrure game together.

Bensei

#12

Bensei said:

I don't see why all the people are all about "Sonic in 2D is the only way Sonic should be". Sure, everything after Sonic Adventure 2 was mediocre due to some unwise design decisions.

Maybe it's just because I played them first, but I prefer good 3D Episodes over the 2D ones. I even liked SONIC THE HEDGEHOG, if you can get over fatal bugs and long loading times. A 2D Sonic now and then is okay, but imo it's all the same. Running from A to B and sometimes you have to remember to jump.The 3D Games (before Unleashed) are more dynamical and offer some exploraion elements from time to time.

So I'd really like to see some 3D-Levels of classic Sonic Stages like in SA2, if they aren't overhashed ;)

WaveyChristmas

#14

WaveyChristmas said:

If only Miyamoto were in charge of a 3D sonic game, than we'd see something truly amazing. Because there is tons of potential, but there hasn't exactly been anything as great as Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 'when' playing as Sonic as of late.

sykotek

#15

sykotek said:

What I believe will transpire at an upcoming brainstorming session at SEGA (long and completely ...fictional):

Suit #1: We need to do something big for Sonic's 20th anniversary. Does anyone have any thoughts?

Suit #2: We could do another cash-in compilation, fans seem to eat that stuff up for some stupid reason.

Suit #1: I don't know, I think we promised we wouldn't fill the shelves with the same old crap as before. We gotta come up with something new.

Market Analyst: Well sir, according to the internet most Sonic fans love the original 2D games and are mostly indifferent to the newer gimmicky 3D iterations. They are especially fond of aspects of the games such as the sense of speed when playing the games and as of the last decade, they've consistently been more and more disappointed at the state and direction of Sonic and his games.

Game Designer: I know what we can do, we can take the framework of the old 2D games, update them to 2.5D and give the graphics an overhaul, that'll surely please Sonic fans both old and new!

Suit #1: Okay, sounds good, do it. ...but I want you to go full 3D, make Sonic slow down if he grabs too many rings, add in a shop, so he can buy stuff like...vehicles or something, but don't make him too fast, he needs to be able to check out the sweet new surroundings we'll have programmed in with the extra graphics horsepower available to us...

Game Designer: ...but sir...

Suit #1: ...and lets give him a cape...and a laser sword that shoots, but no killing, have it...disable all the huge neon robots we'll be throwing his way...

Suit #2: ...and lets give him a night-vision mode, he'll wear...a special eyepatch, we can have every other stage be stealth action with an emphasis on stealth

Market Analyst: I don't think the fans...

Suit #1: ..but lets make it turn based, so it doesn't frustrate our younger players, as you know, they're our real audience...

Suit #2: ...you're right, while you're at it, lets set it on easy too and remove medium and hard difficulties...and lets set it in the real world, I want photo realism and lets have some place densely populated with a lot of twists and turns...like...San Franci...

Suit #1: ...but remember, the key is to have him fighting robots everywhere, easy robots, waves and waves of them.

Suit #2: That's absolutely brilliant, it'll sell billions of copies. How many skus do we have currently on store shelves?

Suit #1: Hmm, about 2 dozen.

Suit #2: We released 2 dozen Sonic titles in 1 year!? Hmm, that's not good, it'll get lost in all those titles. How many of those have a Metacritic score of 70+?

Suit #1: None.

Suit #2: Okay, have them all pulled and get to work on buying scores for our next 30 upcoming Sonic titles. We have to improve Sonic's reputation. Set up a press release, give them the old, "We've listened to our valued fans and we present you with the next generation in Sonic, "Sonic _____" blah blah blah...

Marketing: Already on it sir, I'll fill in the template and send it out to the press immediately.

Suit #1: This will be the best Sonic month yet!

Suit #2: You're absolutely brilliant sir.

Suit #1: That's why I get paid the big bucks. That reminds me, cut out half the game, we can sell it to our fans later as DLC.

Suit #2: Brilliant.

madgear

#18

madgear said:

@JesusSaves

No Nintendo arn't doing Mario Allstars in 3D as far as I'm aware. I just made the Mario Allstars comment becuase, at the time of its release, AllStars updated the games to SNES style graphics, which was modern at the time.

WaveyChristmas

#20

WaveyChristmas said:

@JesusSaves
hehe. I'd rather take the risk than let Sega make another poop fest, since the chances are 90% most likely. And we all know Miyamoto would pump out some genious level design and fantastic controls.

But that's just a dream, in the time being hopefully Sonic Colors delivers!

Egg_miester

#25

Egg_miester said:

besides sonic 2 and sonic adventure i never liked sonic games hard to believe its been 20 years

irken004

#27

irken004 said:

Despite having the Mega Collection Plus on PS2 and some Sonic games on the VC... I still want this :)

Lotice-Paladin

#28

Lotice-Paladin said:

I heard the gameplay will be similar to Unleashed/Colours but I somewhat hoped that they'd build a menu to ask you whether to play it like the classics, Rush, Adventure/Heroes or Unleashed instead of the latter to be quite honest.

If that is confirmed I will purchase it in a heartbeat.

AVahne

#30

AVahne said:

If they're gonna update the games, hope the games will be like Sonic Colors! Also, I still gotta get the Winter Olympics game.

Objection

#35

Objection said:

a red Wii for Europe, Super Mario All-Stars for Europe and, er, a website for North America – INSERT RAGE.

Also, @sykotek- you are winner, seriously, that was a great way to capture everyone's feelings on this long-dead franchise.

kevohki

#37

kevohki said:

I still can't believe Super Mario World and Yoshi's Island are not part of the Wii Super Mario All-Stars disc...

Oh Sonic's getting a birthday pack too...

I mean the Wii disc can easily fit SMW and Yoshi's Island plus Super Mario Sunshine...

SilverBaretta

#38

SilverBaretta said:

Sonic the Hedgehog All-Stars+, huh? Sounds like a plan to me! :) And seeing as how it'll be available on DS, I'm assuming it's going to be a graphical upgrade, with the Homing Attack probably thrown in for good measure.

Chris720

#40

Chris720 said:

Who actually cares about Sonic anymore? Since he went into 3D, his games have got worse and worse.

SmaMan

#42

SmaMan said:

@sykotek
Bravo! Bravo! You should totally turn that into a musical!

But lets get serious here. Who remembers that Sega Classics Collection on the PS2? Same premise... remake the classic arcade and Master System Games for the modern consoles... and half those games sucked.

What I think they need to do is go ahead and make the 3D or 2.5D remakes or whatever, but make the originals available too, since people actually liked those! And if the remakes turn out good as well, you win twice.

mjc0961

#43

mjc0961 said:

@15: I love you and if I was a woman I would want to have your babies. :p

Anyway I would be happy if the only thing they did for Sonic's 20th birthday is fix "Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection" to have Sonic 3 and Knuckles in it, and maybe Knuckles in Sonic 2. Really wasn't any reason it shouldn't have been on the disc in the first place, and come on, that's some great Sonic stuff right there. And since they chose to put Sonic's name in the title, they should deliver on as much Genesis Sonic as possible. Or they should have just done what they did in EU and not put Sonic's name in the title (in EU the collection is called "SEGA MEGA DRIVE Ultimate Collection").

But here I am, ranting about a game that isn't on Wii on a Nintendo site. Oops. >_>

I have no hope for any remake or re-imagining they want to do of the Genesis games in either 3D or a new 2D art style. These are the same people that shipped "Sonic the Hedgehog Genesis" for GBA and "Sonic Classic Collection" for the DS, both of which were just ports and both of which were just glitchy messes. I just wish SEGA would leave the old games alone now, because every time they touch them anymore they always manage to deliver disappointment in some form.

Sabrewing

#44

Sabrewing said:

@SmaMan: Those were budget-priced "Sega AGES" games, though, compiled into a single disc since it was assumed they wouldn't stand well enough on their own (which turned out to be true). Plus, the remakes of Phantasy Star I and II (Japan only) were FANTASTIC... and they were withheld from America. Go figure.

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