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US VC Releases - 14th July - Donkey Kong 3

Posted by Marcel van Duyn

Some people seemed to think that Nintendo would release a big-name title this week on the Virtual Console because of E3 (We ask: Why?). While you are getting a "big-name" title, it's probably not one of the ones you were hoping for.

Donkey Kong 3 is the final entry in the Donkey Kong arcade series, and if you ask us, also the weakest. The game no longer features Mario at all, instead you play as the new character Stanley the Bugman, who never made an appearance in another game since. Your objective is to get Donkey Kong out of the greenhouse he's invaded by spraying him from below with bug spray, while avoiding various bugs that try to steal your flowers.

Ninja Commando for the Neo Geo is a fun overhead action/shooter hybrid, similar to games like Ikari Warriors and Mercs. You can play as one of three ninjas who each has different attacks as you attempt to make it through the many stages. The game is an early Neo Geo game so the graphics are not spectacular, but they're still quite good. A lot of you will probably dismiss it for being the nth Neo Geo game in a short while, but it's actually pretty good.

That's all for VC this week! On WiiWare, there's just one new game: Major League Eating: The Game. Check out WiiWare World for more info, as usual.

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7th_lutz

#2

7th_lutz said:

At least there was 2 vc games were released this week. I hope this will continue.

Kultist

#4

Kultist said:

Meh. Not my cup of tea, but like 7th Lutz said, we got 2 games, and one of them is not Neo Geo!
See you next week, we'll comment on Burger Time and Art of Fighting 2! (Or maybe just AoF2) :P

Bendover83

#5

Bendover83 said:

hhmmm...
okay duo, but this week I'm waiting for the nintendo conference at E3 tomarrow.

Ark

#7

Ark said:

I just got Game & Watch Gallery 4, so I'm getting back into this stuff. Perhaps I'll get it just to see the differences between the G&W version...

Kreegs07

#8

Kreegs07 said:

Not bad. Not sure if I will get them but I like that they released all of the DK trilogy. That gets my hopes up for other series with games that havn't been released yet. (Mario, Sonic, MegaMan)

Ark

#10

Ark said:

Wait, I just noticed "Stanley the Bugman, who never made an appearance in another game since" in the article. I'm guessing you meant as a playable character, right? He has made at least three other appearances: The G&W version, which is quite different, and in Super Smash Bros. Melee as a trophy. His game appears as a mini-game in Wario Ware Touched as well. I think there was one more...

Andrew

#12

Andrew said:

This week is honestly better than I expected, considering E3 tomorrow. Though I never cared for Donkey Kong 3, its nice that the NES trilogy is finally all on the VC.

DazzaAdmin

#14

Dazza said:

Yeah, well spotted! Stanley was in a minigame in both WarioWare Twisted & Touched! :-p

Jupiter_Adept

#15

Jupiter_Adept said:

Here's a hint: if you have Animal Crossing, you can get this for free with either a password, or if you win a monthly in-game raffle.

Adamant

#16

Adamant said:

Stanley also appeared as the main character in the G&W game Greenhouse. He got around a bit.

lordbowser

#18

lordbowser said:

Well, at least I don't have to swipe cards through the old E-reader anymore. Guess I'll finally pick up F-Zero X and SMB2 while I'm at it.

Madmanonfire

#19

Madmanonfire said:

There probably won't be much whining. We did get a non-NeoGeo title for once, though there is another one up there.

Bass_X0

#20

Bass_X0 said:

You'll probably get AoF2 next week for sure. Along with, perhaps, Megaman. Still, I'm glad the NES Donkey Kong trilogy is complete.

XCWarrior

#21

XCWarrior said:

Another week of crap. I am disappointed as this is E3 week and you would think they would bring out SOMETHING worth purchasing...

WoRMaSTeR

#22

WoRMaSTeR said:

Why would E3 bring great releases? No one is bying them anyway, they are reading or are present in E3.

Mike1

#25

Mike1 said:

At least we got a Nintendo game, although it's not that good, but it is a classic. I have a gut feeling Mega Man is around the corner...

slangman

#26

slangman said:

Remember just because Donkey Kong is in a game title doesn't mean it's a great game. Donkey Kong 3 is a perfect example.

Rapadash6

#27

Rapadash6 said:

Niether of these games appeal to me but I am still happy to see more than a single game released. Also it's nice to see a non Neo Geo game there as well. I'm curious, though, about the TG16 games that were suppose to come out this month. Three games but only two Mondays left... I guess they plan to release two in one single update. Maybe this is a sign of better things to come. At least I hope it is anyway.

Jogurt_the_Yogurt

#28

Jogurt_the_Yogurt said:

Slangman is right. It's a DK game, but it's not good. Also, Mike, it's not really a classic, either. It's a pretty bad tack-on to the series that most people don't know about. Still, it's one of those NES-Arcade style games that some people really enjoy.

I'm not complaining - I actually like weeks like this - I'm just waiting for the hilarious SMRPG Mega Man etc. comments. Oh ho ho ho ho!

firebrand

#30

firebrand said:

Yawn. At least we got another mediocre NES game out of the way. Eventually Nintendo will get to the good stuff, right?

Alfred_E_Neuman

#31

Alfred_E_Neuman said:

@ Mike: At least we got a Nintendo game, although it's not that good, but it is a classic....

Well, unfortunately Mike, statements, simlar to the one above, are the ones that tend to piss off our european counterparts. They tend to think that North Americans will buy any game that they tend to be familiar with, and often ignore the hidden gems.

Unfortunately, this IS true to an extent :P

  • Bio Miracle Bukette Upa
  • Earthbound ( a few years back)
  • The reason behind the enormous amount of Pokemon Ranch sales (although that is WiiWare), and the lack of sales for Toki Tori
  • (insert endless amounts of neglected games here)

Now, although Europeans have tended not to neglect games/ gaming systems in the past, the European gaming market is rapidly changing from what the used to be (see WiiWareWorld article on topselling WiiWare games)

So, you can't really sterotype the North Americans for buying only the familiar titles, because Europeans are kinda doing the same thing, however, the North Americans in turn mustn't be pissed for a getting a non-Nintendo title, and being slightly happy when they do get one, even when it is most certainly absolute crap.

Lets hope this post isn't a repeat of Friday's VC release

classicmike

#32

classicmike said:

Well, even though neither of these games really interest me, I like the fact that we finally got a nintendo game.( Even if we still got a neo geo game with it, which isn't a bad one.) Honestly, I think they are giving us good games so they could get us to support them during the console war @ E3 today.
Also, does any1 know where the E3 convention is being held and at what time the convention is starting?

CanisWolfred

#33

CanisWolfred said:

Well, I had nothing to look forward to today. It's not that these are bad games, it's just that they never peaked my interest. Plus, I figured Super Fantasy Zone came out today, and I've been looking forward to that. Oh well, next week...

Tides_of_Chaos

#34

Tides_of_Chaos said:

I'm glad there's two games for once. That way, the future seems just that much brighter for the people wanting great releases. With more games out of the way, other games have to come, right?

classicmike

#36

classicmike said:

@ Tides of Chaos: You are correct . If they get the lesser games that we don't want out of the way, they would have to give us better games or games that people are demanding be released on the virtual console, like the games people are demanding be released from the Nintendo Power: Most Demanded section.(See the King of Monsters post, # 56 ,that I made to see the games that people are demanding be released.)
Also, as a fun fact, did you know that Stanley is actually Mario's cousin? Pretty cool information, right?

firebrand

#37

firebrand said:

@classicmike

"Honestly, I think they are giving us good games so they could get us to support them during the console war @ E3 today."

I can't speak for Ninja Commando, but Donkey Kong 3 is a big "so what." Honestly, I thought Nintendo had released all of their early run NES titles. How many more of these do we have to deal with? I want quality NES games. Where's Blaster Master?

"Also, does any1 know where the E3 convention is being held and at what time the convention is starting?"

It starts tonight, but we won't hear from Nintendo until tomorrow afternoon.

stinssd

#40

stinssd said:

I have an idea for Nintendo: release ALL the potential VC titles at once. Then, feature two or three games per week to hilight what's already available. Any takers?

gnadenlos

#41

gnadenlos said:

I was hoping to get Gley Lancer and maybe even some E3 surprise hit like Thunderforce 3/4 or Herzog 2. I'm also looking forward to Tetris 2 - Bombliss and Tetris 3 - Battle Gaiden - the best Tetris Games ever released (JP only).

classicmike

#42

classicmike said:

@ Firebrand: To tell you the truth, after looking back at what I said about them giving us good games today so we can support them at E3 does make no sense actually right now.(Mainly because of that crappy food eating game we got today for the Wii Ware.)Also thanks for telling me what time the convention starts. Do you also know where it is being held?
@Terranigma: I know, it is a preety cool fact to know. Sadly, not a lot of people know Stanley because he was released in one game. Poor Stanley.

Ricardo91

#43

Ricardo91 said:

Wow. This actually isn't too bad of a week. Caught me by surprise. :)
I knew DK3 was just a matter of time, and Ninja Commando looked cool when I saw it in the European releases scedule. Hopefully this is a sign of things to come. Now maybe this week we'll have less conflict than we usually have.

And hey, at least the NEOGEO game we got isn't a fighter! ;)

For some reason, my Wii Shop hasn't updated yet. WTH?

@Alfred. I hope we don't see a repeat of Friday either. Luckily Supermario, Rexy, and Demon 212 haven't found this page yet, so so far it seems like we're in the clear! ;)

@Classicmike. Stanley is Mario's cousin? I did'nt know that. Where'd you find that out at?

Edit: Now my Shop channel's updated. Apparently it doesn't update till noon.

el_cabarto

#44

el_cabarto said:

Stanley got drunk while on vacation in Hong Kong back in '86. Stumbled into a poorly lit, grungy Kowloon brothel and made a terrible choice. Research into HIV was still in its infancy at that time and although money was no issue (cousin Mario's pockets are deep) Stanley wasn't able to get the medication he needed to fight the infection.
R.I.P
Stanley Mario
"It was'a him, Stanley"

Andrew

#45

Andrew said:

@classicmike: In years prior, E3 was always held at The Los Angeles Convention Center in California. Recently, E3's size has dropped off greatly into a much smaller event, so I'm not exactly sure if its still in the same arena. I'm pretty sure it still is held in Los Angeles, though.

Terra

#46

Terra said:

Anyone know if WiiWare games will be there at E3, and will there (i imagine so) be coverage from here?

will1

#48

will1 said:

I think E3 is "press" only this year but its in L.A.
I don't think Ninty has much going on there so I'm not holding my breath on that. Yay wii got 2 vc games this week!!!
I agree with post #40 not a bad idea... Ninty should have done that a long time ago...
And how does getting the lessor quality games out of the way create consumer satisfaction??? I have not been satisfied with my wii for a while now...
If E3 does not blow me away with some huge surprise and show they actually listen to consumers instead of generating profits then it will be a DS and an Xbox1 for me. ( I never played Xbox or 360). I can use the DS for "party games" (wi-fi) and use my Xbox1 and splincell (vc?) for a more hardcore experience. Nobody even plays the wii in my house anymore... I hope it improves soon.
Quote: "Son, sometimes you have to realize a bad investment when you see one and cut your losses."
Movie-Van Wilder
Happy shopping! These games are not for me. Hope someone enjoys Dk3 and NC

classicmike

#49

classicmike said:

@ el cabarto: lol that was a really funny story, nice job.
@Andrew and firebrand: Thanks for the information on where the convention is being held. Too bad it is all the way in Los Angeles, I don't think I can make the trip to there from New York, oh well. Also, the reason the amount of people attending the convention dropped is because E3 and E for All split up and made two seperate conventions of their own. I guess that is why the size dropped greatly.

PHANTOM93

#51

PHANTOM93 said:

I know that this post has nothing to do with this article but I just had to tell somebody.

Ooh the Fire Emblem DS website just went live! (I'd post the link but i'm on my Wii Right now, if you want the story just go to http://www.gamesradar.com and look under News)

Terra

#53

Terra said:

Yes, very funny El Cabarto. I'd like to see more of your obituary's on here

classicmike

#54

classicmike said:

@ Mr. Cheez : I found that out on www.nintendoland.com. It is a pretty cool site to check out and they also have a Mario fanboy test to see how much you love mario, I got 33% which means that mario is my way of life.

Objection

#55

Objection said:

I'm going to stay positive and say that Ninty gave us 2 VC this week, even if neither interest me. We'll see when it comes to MLE:TG, but...

Rexy

#56

Rexy said:

Haha, the European talk started before I chipped in :D

Similarly, I wasn't expecting much due to E3 - more peoples' anticipation is on Nintendo's conference tomorrow morning than other current affairs. You got the wish of another Nintendo game at least, but I wasn't expecting Donkey Kong 3 up there.

Whichever, just looking at the pose of Stanley above makes me think that he's still spiritually alive today, but in a different form - Mr. Game and Watch. :p

Mike1

#57

Mike1 said:

@Alfred E. Neuman
Okay dude, let me clarify my comment. I meant that the Donkey Kong series is a classic, but this game is pretty average. Heh, every game series has a dark sheep, and Donkey Kong 3 is the dark sheep for the classic NES Donkey Kong games. Oh yeah, I would consider buying Ninja Commando before Donkey Kong 3, but neither really interests me.

I'm just more upbeat this week because at least we got 2 games. Those 1 game VC weeks blew chunks!

By the way, nice to see you Rexy!

deadly_by_design

#59

deadly_by_design said:

If it's going to be a NeoGeo overhead shooter, I'd rather play Guerrilla War. Even the NES port of that was pretty fun to play co-op.

That's not so much a complaint as it is simple commentary. I've lowered my expectations for the VC, in order to make the pleasant surprises that much more exciting. :)

Alfred_E_Neuman

#61

Alfred_E_Neuman said:

Ahh, makes sense Mike :)

I heard E3 is all Press as well, they changed it last year I think. Isn't it gonna take place in Santa Monica?

P.S - Any one know if Jackal is ever gona come out for NES?

It wasn't a really popular game, I dont think, but co-op is pretty fun

RevolverLink

#62

RevolverLink said:

I'm not interested in either of these titles, but at least we have more than one to choose from this week.

Bass_X0

#64

Bass_X0 said:

I'm expecting europe will get DK3 this week. I don't think they're doing the WiiWare only weeks anymore since we got two VC games last week.

CorbsAdmin

#65

Corbs said:

I'm telling you guys, don't overlook Ninja Commando. It's a fun shooter. :)

Andrew

#66

Andrew said:

Well, I'm reading the IGN live blog covering the Microsoft E3 conference right now, and it looks like they completely copied Nintendo. The Xbox 360 is getting their own mii avatars! And oddly enough, the Mii ripoffs are being created by Rare.

Kreegs07

#67

Kreegs07 said:

"and now we have the XBOX Virtual Console which will bring you classic Microsoft hits such as Solitare, Hearts, and Mindsweeper"

Andrew

#68

Andrew said:

Wow, the conference ended with Square Enix saying that Final Fantasy XIII is no longer PS3-exclusive. Ouch!

Kultist

#69

Kultist said:

@ deadly.by.design & Alfred E. Newman

Guerrilla War! Jackal! Boy did I play those as a kid! I think I even overheated the Guerrilla War cartridge once for playing something like 6-7 hours in a row :P
I'd love to see those come to VC. I wish Nintendo would find a way to recompile these games and add online multiplay. Hmmm online multiplay Guerrilla War :D (don't think it feasible, but hey, I can dream)

Andrew

#70

Andrew said:

@Alfred E. Newman: Right on, bro. Jackal was one of my favorite games when I was young, and if available, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

WarioFan63

#71

WarioFan63 said:

Donkey Kong 3 was a nice surprise!

2 games, a first party one, and a neat NeoGeo game that isnt a fighter OR on the upcoming compilation (thus getting rid of two major reasons everyone complained about the last few NeoGeo games) makes this a pretty cool week.

PHANTOM93

#72

PHANTOM93 said:

@ Andrew #67

Wow Microsoft just confirmed "Avatars" now, I found out about all of Microsoft's E3 secrets about a month ago thanks to some database hackers and coverage by GamesRadar, Have they confirmed the "Newton" controller (wiimote clone) yet?

Andrew

#73

Andrew said:

@PHANTOM93: No, i didn't see any mention of it at the conference. I've seen pics, though. Man, that thing looks just like a lightsaber.

That link that Terranigma posted regarding a new Wii accessory isn't just a rumor. It has been confirmed by Nintendo. Its called MotionPlus, and it is supposed to allow more accurate motion response than the standard Wiimote.

Kreegs07

#74

Kreegs07 said:

for more info on motion plus visit Nintendo's web site and read the announcement.

Terra

#75

Terra said:

@phantom93

The Microsoft Wiimote clone is actually by Motus, a 3rd party developer and not Microsoft. it's also called a Darwin.

PHANTOM93

#76

PHANTOM93 said:

Hmmm, they must have renamed it because when I read the article it referred to the controller as the Newton, oh well this isn't the first time a product has been renamed :-)

Edit: When I read the article it never stated that the controller was made by Microsoft, I just assumed that something that high profile would be 1st party

Ricardo91

#78

Ricardo91 said:

@Corbie. You can be happy for me! I downloaded NC a few hours ago and I'm enjoying it quite a lot. :)
I'm still trying to get used to the controls though. (shooting w/ the 1 button on the Wiimote just doesn't feel right.)

@Andrew. So FFXIII ISN'T ps3- exclusive now? Yes! now I have even LESS incentive to buy one! Go 360!

If we get at least one of those Turbographx import games Hudson promised us next week, or another game for the N64, SNES, or Master System, I'll be really happy! :D

DazzaAdmin

#79

Dazza said:

Cheez, you need to invest in a classic controller for anything other than NES/TG16 I think. For Megadrive and Neo Geo it ain't so hot. I am digging Ninja Commando. I missed this one at the time. Its bad ass! :-p

Andrew

#80

Andrew said:

@Mr. Cheez: Yep, FFXIII will be on 360 also. The PS3's list of AAA exclusives is growing thin.

The Square Enix announcement was the only event that saved Microsoft's conference from being completely lackluster, imo.

Ricardo91

#81

Ricardo91 said:

@Dazza. Actually, I've played my Genesis games just fine with a single wii remote. (though the awkwardly-placed A button gets on my nerves sometimes, especially when playing something like Gunstar Heroes :P). Though I agree, the bottons on the Classic controller are much more snappy, responsive, and better-arranged. I was just to lazy to plug it in! :)

And yes NC is quite the badassery.

Rawk_Hawk

#82

Rawk_Hawk said:

I like this week. I always like seeing classic NES games come out. We got a good Neo Geo game and we got 2 VC games this week.

Virus

#83

Virus said:

Two games, well, I got my wish. We got a total of three games this week on the Wii Shop Channel and I am pleased with that. I don't believe I shall be getting these games, but hey, I had two choices. Now, Nintendo only has to make sure this two-a-week thing lasts or improves from here. Good week.

I had some extra spending money so I bought Beyond Oasis instead today. Hasn't been a bad choice so far.

Now on to WiiWare World to attack Major League Eating before a review comes up.

7th_lutz

#84

7th_lutz said:

@Firebrand

Nintendo shouldn't be done releasing their early Nes games yet. They didn't released 10 yard fight, Golf, Clu Clu Land, Kung Fu and Pro Wrestling.

WarioFan63

#85

WarioFan63 said:

The Square Enix announcement was the only event that saved Microsoft's conference from being completely lackluster, imo.

I guess Im just struck with E3 fever then because I enjoyed seeing the new Banjo-Kazooie and Rare stuff, Portal: Still Alive, that new camera game, Banjo-Kazooie XBLA, and of course Lips.

That was just the best part of the conference right there when they went "Presenting the legendary creator of Elite Beat Agents"

Virus

#86

Virus said:

E3 always gives me an ulcer when it comes around. I've always enjoyed hearing the innovations, but there is that little voice in my head that always reminds me there's going to be a larger hole in my wallet in the future. The MotionPlus- while cool- is killing my dreams of saving a little money. The announcement of Banjo XBLA doesn't help my cholesterol either. I knew it was coming but gah...

Madmanonfire

#87

Madmanonfire said:

Speaking of Elite Beat Agents, why isn't there a sequel out for it yet? It really deserves one.

ChocoDK

#89

ChocoDK said:

I got Donkey Kong 3 for the E-Reader anyways so I don't care. Even if I got to use a clunky thing and swipe cards and I think it came out on a Game & Watch Gallery which I got them all.

I can't believe also that the Major League Eating Competition game came out today.

Adamant

#90

Adamant said:

The G&W Donkey Kong 3 is completely different from the arcade and NES version. Also, it sucks.

Jogurt_the_Yogurt

#91

Jogurt_the_Yogurt said:

Donkey Kong 3 is not a classic. People need to stop saying that. Just because a game is old doesn't mean it's a classic.

WarioFan63

#93

WarioFan63 said:

Speaking of Elite Beat Agents, why isn't there a sequel out for it yet? It really deserves one.

I figure they were swapping. Ouendan 1 in 05, EBA in 06, Ouendan 2 in 07. I myself thought thered be an EBA 2 announcement this year, but a recent interview with the guy said hed love to do another one and that he wasnt currently working on one. Hopefully it was just a cover up though as to not reveal secret plans. Unless Nintendo decided to make a sequel without iNiS involvement, which I super doubt.

I can't believe also that the Major League Eating Competition game came out today.

Well what did you expect? It had to come sooner or later.

Mike1

#94

Mike1 said:

@Jogurt the Yogurt
The Donkey Kong series however is a classic, even though Donkey Kong 3 is not. Maybe some people actually like the game.

And besides, you said Dig Dug was a classic a couple of weeks back and I think that there isn't anything special about that game. It's good, but certainly isn't a classic.

Mike1

#95

Mike1 said:

@Virus
And here is pure stupidity by Nintendo. They had a chance to get Goldeneye, plus other Rare classics but they said no because they didn't want the 360 to have them. So now Microsoft remakes Banjo-Kazooie slightly and bam they get the game for Xbox Live and Nintendo doesn't get squat for the VC. Way to take care of your customers Nintendo!

will1

#96

will1 said:

Ha! I just read that game called Sadness isn't coming until Aug. of 2009... I thought this game was going to be one of the first games released for Wii... 2yrs ago! oof! looks like Ninty did it again... another gimmick at E3, maybe they should have just made the wiimote that way in the first place instead of making it an "add-on" 2 yrs later. My Wii is starting to look like my Karaoke machine in that it only gets used when I have friends over and even then my K-machine gets more use. After two yrs and about 1000$ I am not impressed, in fact I have been a fanboy for more than 15 years so I have been patient for sure but now the time has come for Wii to go... maybe I'll kick myself later (but I highly doubt it.) Never played XBOX1w/splincell mod (vc?) and graphics are far better also AAA titles can be found for less than 15$. (im trading for DS and Xbox1 and still gonna have 100$ for games) Good luck waiting for all the games. I'm done trying to pay NINTY for what I already can get for free. (elink)
Guess im the loser but it takes one to know one 'cough' NINTY 'cough'
Peace out Y'all and don't believe the hype!

alxtlvra

#97

alxtlvra said:

I just hope that vc releases dont go down (both; on quality & quantity) again before this small progress with many people satisfied and almost no complainments this Monday (this has happened countless times before). I dont care that much about Wii Ware (there are not good enough titles JUST speakin' FOR ME)

Rexy

#99

Rexy said:

Yeah, well done. :) But it's not over yet - torch fires and pitchforks might arise if Nintendo screw up their E3 conference this morning.

AlexSays

#100

AlexSays said:

After Microsoft's big E3 announcement (FFXIII), I already plan on buying a 360 sometime this year.
But hopefully Nintendo doesn't disappoint.

So far I've heard we'll be seeing Wii-motion, and they'll unveil Wii Music.
Wii-motion seems pretty interesting, but I don't know if I care too much for Wii Music. So hopefully that's not the "hardcore game" Nintendo was talking about.

Terra

#101

Terra said:

Has anyone noticed that while talking about E3, most people are mentioning games and new features but what about channels? Any new ones been rumoured or announced?

Bass_X0

#102

Bass_X0 said:

They'd better announce a game that uses the MotionPlus thing. I'm thinking some kind of short Zelda action game.

Terra

#103

Terra said:

Wii Music and the DS version of Mystery Case Files: MillionHeir will be at E3. Expect Kirby, Animal Crossing and Wario Land as well. Also, i hear Pilotwings might re-emerge as well as F-Zero, Star Fox, Punch Out!! and Kid Icarus.

Terra

#104

Terra said:

Oh, and Project H.A.M.M.E.R as well as that's rumored to be reappearing

Adamant

#105

Adamant said:

@Mike: Dig Dug is most definitly a classic. There's a REASON Namco throws it on pretty much every cmpilation they make - it's extremely popular.

Jogurt_the_Yogurt

#106

Jogurt_the_Yogurt said:

@Mike - As I said, just because something is old doesn't mean it's a classic. I'll now add that just because some people like it and some people don't doesn't mean something is a classic. Classic games are generally successful games that have had an impact on the industry/history of gaming. Barely anyone even knew about DK3 back in its day. Sure, it was a sequel to a classic game (DK), but that doesn't make it classic. Super Mario Sunshine is not classic, for example. Dig Dug is a classic because it was yet another pioneer of inventive arcade gameplay (kind of like how Qbert is a classic even though you don't see it around much these days).

Andrew

#108

Andrew said:

@Terranigma: I completely agree. My problem with Super Mario Sunshine is that there isn't enough variety in the different worlds. They all have the same "tropical" theme, whereas Super Mario 64 and Super Mario Galaxy have SO many different themes.

Also, The FLUDD is very lame.

Terra

#109

Terra said:

FLUDD was lame and your right, there wasn't enough variety. Thank goodness Galaxy out things right

Andrew

#110

Andrew said:

Galaxy was terrific.

Nintendo's E3 conference starts in about 5 minutes. Fingers crossed for big news!

Andrew

#111

Andrew said:

Well, there were 2 high points in the conference:

  1. Animal Crossing: City Folk for the Wii
  2. Wii Sports Resort

Other than that, I felt the conference was a letdown.

AlexSays

#112

AlexSays said:

Oh my.
The conference was terrible.
We already knew about Animal Crossing. Other than that, we have NOTHING to look forward to.
Thanks Nintendo.
Glad I'm buying a 360.

Mike1

#113

Mike1 said:

@Jogurt the Yogurt
Great you think Dig Dug is a classic, I don't! If you cared to read any of my earlier posts, I said that I think Donkey Kong 3 is not a classic game. I was basically saying that the Donkey Kong series as a whole is a classic. I would consider games like Castlevania or Mega Man 2 to be classic games before I would consider Dig Dug one.

Bensei

#114

Bensei said:

You were expecting to much guys, okay, nothing really new. I expected at least some more info about Wario Land Wii, but I guess goes on with releasing infos bout games during the year shortly before they are released, but I think that sowrd game's nice =D

To bad they didn't confirm a storage solution...

What do you think about BK XBLA Remake? Is it the End for BK on VC or the renaissance, since the main issue for games not coming to VC was that remakes would be allowed to go to XBLA or new games won't be made for Wii?

AlexSays

#116

AlexSays said:

No storage solution.
No new "hardcore" game like they promised.

Instead, we got 1:1 motion that developers won't use until 2010.
And a mic that won't be utilized for games that are already out, like Brawl and Mario Kart.

To say their conference was a disappointment would be an understatement.

firebrand

#117

firebrand said:

I didn't expect the press conference to be that bad. No Kid Icarus. Matt Casamassina is an idiot!

AlexSays

#118

AlexSays said:

Indeed, Matt C. is guaranteed to get a swift kick in the balls from a few Nintendo fanboys.

Bensei

#119

Bensei said:

I thought Nintendo might have arranged things so M$ gets a remake and Nintendo the N64 version, if they didn't or do not in the future, they are jerks...

Mike1

#120

Mike1 said:

Even if they did arrange a deal like that, Nintendo wouldn't announce it because they are jerks and they want to keep any announcements VC related a secret.

Terra

#121

Terra said:

Nintendo really let me down there. What happened and, yes, where was the "Hardcore" game? Surely, Wii Sports Resort or Animal crossing couldn't have been it.

I will be happy if Factor 5 or some other developer reveal a Kid Icarus game to us

Rexy

#122

Rexy said:

I wouldn't call Animal Crossing a "high point" - that expects you to literally play the game ALL THE FREAKIN' TIME and it penalises you for every day you completely skip it. I don't have the time to constantly check up on a virtual town or something.

But yeah, that IS a disappointment. I suppose we have to rely on whatever strong releases the third parties could come up with to keep the system going strong.

Bensei

#123

Bensei said:

It was GTA, and as I said, I guess Nintendo will release games during the year without telling, like with Wario land, I first heard about it in June, and it's coming end July in japan

Bensei

#126

Bensei said:

It was the only hardcore game I could think of... Or Guitar Hero, but surely the Hardcore game was not one of Nintendo's

AlexSays

#127

AlexSays said:

Wanna see the title of Nintendo's conference?
Wii Love Casual Gamers

I mean seriously, nobody can even defend them anymore.
Not one great game was announced besides AC, which we already knew about.
Then Reggie has the nerve to say, "How can hardcore gamers be unhappy?"
Aww heyyll nooo.

firebrand

#128

firebrand said:

You'd think they could have at least given us a demonstration of Fatal Frame 4! When is that game coming out!?

AlexSays

#129

AlexSays said:

Just face it, Nintendo really does hate us.
They'd be much happier if their hardcore audience moved to another console, and casuals continued buying the Wii like hotcakes.

JODIsBack

#130

JODIsBack said:

they're focusing more on the ds than anything

still, animal crossing with voice chat seems awesome

PHANTOM93

#131

PHANTOM93 said:

(sigh) A lack of hardcore games from Nintendo has once again caused members of this site to be upset (myself included). Oh well, least everyone who's upset at nintendo's E3 conference is agreeing with each other :-)

Rexy

#132

Rexy said:

I still wouldn't call GTA "hardcore" by any means. Sure, it has an 18 rating, but the subject matter of screwing up the law makes it the most childish game in existance.

True hardcore is something that tests the reflexes of the gamer in question, rather than its outer shell. Thus, concerning us Nintendo gamers, who needs GTA to make themselves "look cool" when we have at least Fire Emblem to "feel cool", among others that have escaped from my head? ;)

PHANTOM93

#133

PHANTOM93 said:

It's not all doom and gloom for hardcore gamers (yet), Reggie said he had another announcement that he was going to make in a few days :-)

Madmanonfire

#134

Madmanonfire said:

Hopefully they'll make Wii Speak work with Guitar Hero: World Tour. Animal Crossing and Wii Sports Resort will be awesome.

AlexSays

#135

AlexSays said:

When did Reggie say anything about an announcement?
He just said they'd be showing off the games we already know about within the next few days. ie. Call of Duty, The Conduit, etc.
There is no more announcements guys.

Face it, Nintendo just slapped us all in the face.

Andrew

#136

Andrew said:

You know a conference is lame when Nintendo's lone "hardcore" game was Animal Crossing...

Rexy

#137

Rexy said:

Animal Crossing, as I mentioned above, isn't even much of a game to begin with - sure, anyone can pick up and play it, but it becomes even more tedious once it gets to the point that you have to play it every single day just to save your town from looking like a mess. Trust me; I attempted to go through it, only to get stumped after a few months due to this >.>

I at least appreciate the premise of it, but given that I'm one of those that prefer to play games at my own pace, I'd rather look into Harvest Moon if I want a life-type game of some description.

AlexSays

#138

AlexSays said:

Rexy- Animal Crossing is all we have right now. It's the only great Nintendo game on the horizon.
So run, before you get attacked by the plethora of AC-lovers. :P

Andrew

#139

Andrew said:

Although I did enjoy the original Animal Crossing when it came out, Rexy is absolutely right. The game makes you feel guilty for missing a day, and if you don't play it for a week, you end up spending the next day or two picking up weeds.

As bad as the Wii lineup was, the DS offerings were just as lacking.

PHANTOM93

#140

PHANTOM93 said:

@ x.SuperMario.x #135

Reggie didn't say an outright announcement but he did say that there would be an advantage to "feel" later this week (whatever that means), also Nintendo is having a private conference tomorrow so there is still (some) hope that Nintendo's hardcore game isn't Animal Crossing

firebrand

#141

firebrand said:

@Andrew

"As bad as the Wii lineup was, the DS offerings were just as lacking."

At least the DS still has some great third party games coming out for it this year. Still, I would have liked an announcement concerning Fire Emblem DS.

Madmanonfire

#142

Madmanonfire said:

They should've gave some news about Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World. That game would've blown AC out of the water. A release date would be nice right now.

Edit: Turns out there is a release date. Whoops.

PHANTOM93

#143

PHANTOM93 said:

@ fireband

If you look at my first comment (#51) it says that the Fire Emblem DS website went live

firebrand

#144

firebrand said:

@PHANTOM93

"If you look at my first comment (#51) it says that the Fire Emblem DS website went live"

Yeah, but that's the Japanese website. I want information on a North American release.

RevolverLink

#145

RevolverLink said:

Glorified tech demos, even more peripherals and a DS port made for a pretty lame E3 from Nintendo and at the moment their fall line-up looks pretty lackluster. Thankfully (and I never thought I'd say this) there are a lot of third party Wii titles that I'm excited about.

AlexSays

#146

AlexSays said:

PHANTOM93- It's just more speculation.
Face it, Nintendo promised us core titles, and they didn't deliver.
Maybe one day they'll care, but it won't be this week.

timp29

#147

timp29 said:

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!!!
shouldnt rexy and the americans be fighting??
awwww dissapointing news post.... vc-reviews let me down!

7th_lutz

#148

7th_lutz said:

Nintendo might showing a lack of effort intentionally. They may have a press conference during the fall like they did last year..

Other Game Companies might be looking The TGS to show their full hand. The TGS takes place in October. The TGS is becoming a more important event then E3 is right now.

E3 doesn't have as much luster as it did a couple years ago. E3 is on the decline and is starting to turn into a joke. I expect even less companies being at e3 next year.

Some top videogame publishers or developers didn't show up at e3 this year like Activision. There was less publishers or developers at E3 this then there was last year. That is telling me E3 is not as important in the Video game industry as it was a couple years ago.

Dokenzz

#150

Dokenzz said:

I'm starting to get kind of pissed at how much people love to complain, no ones ever satisfied, at one time people were b*tching about how Wii never had voice chat (I was among this group) and now that it's there, people are disappointed about E3 and aren't just grateful. Jesus, I'm starting to think it's not totally Nintendo's fault.

AlexSays

#151

AlexSays said:

@ Dokenzz- Are you leading damage control?
Nintendo promised at least one hardcore title at E3.
Could you please name that hardcore title?
Because I didn't see it.

EVERYONE thought Nintendo had a disappointing E3, so don't cry about how people are upset.
Nintendo gave people a promise, and they didn't deliver.
As for the mic, Nintendo hasn't even said if it'll be compatible with games already released, so keep your pants on.

But you can keep pretending Nintendo loves you.

Wanna know whats funny though?
When something disappoints everybody, two kinds of people emerge.
There's the people that openly share their disappointment with others.
Then there's the people who try to be the "bigger person", and they tell everyone to shut up, when they're really crying on the inside.

Anyone who tries to defend Nintendo's E3 conference is part of that second group.
You can pretend it didn't hurt you, but I know you feel like you've been kicked in the nuts.

7th_lutz

#152

7th_lutz said:

@x.SuperMario.x
Satoru Iwata was at the TGS in 2005. He revealed the Nintendo Wii's Controller there during his keynote speech.

Nintendo does have different press events though outside of E3. Last year was a prime example. They used that press conference to announce Wiiware games during the fall of 2007. I know Nintendo used to have Space world as an event.

I got the mixed up by Nintendo's Wiiware game announcements last fall. The TGS happened a couple weeks prior to that.

When you hit my age, you will start to mix up facts a little bit over time or need help to remember things. I am not using this excuse as damage control. It is a fact.

I am older then most members responding vc news stories. I remembered the Snes launch release in 1991 as a teen.

I have a lot of things to remember that are not video game related.

firebrand

#153

firebrand said:

Well, at least we now know why the Virtual Console has been so lackluster these past few months.

timp29

#155

timp29 said:

supermario, theres the 3rd kind of person, the kind that generalise!

7th lutz... does that make you like 30! wow that old, i cant believe you even know what the "intra web" is :P

AlexSays

#157

AlexSays said:

Well of course, there are people who try to find the good in everything.
But nobody cares about them. :P

As for Zelda....
Well duh.
Did anyone think they weren't going to make another Zelda?
No.
So I'm not sure why everyone is so happy about this.
Miyamoto said Zelda developers are working on Zelda.
Awesome, in other news, the sun rose today, and China is still communist.

Actually, Miyamoto might be the only man in the world that could of gotten away with that.
If Sony just showed up and said their Killzone developers are working on Killzone, and didn't offer a trailer or playable demo, don't you think some Sony fanboy would kick the Sony VP right in the face? I sure think so.

Jogurt_the_Yogurt

#158

Jogurt_the_Yogurt said:

@Mike — I didn't say Castlevania and Mega Man 2 aren't classics. They are. Just like Dig Dug and Donkey Kong 1. ;)

As for the rest of this off-topic E3 whining: you guys are dumb.

AtTheDriveIn92

#160

AtTheDriveIn92 said:

If you read all the articles about IGN asking Miyamato questions "behind the scenes" he practically confirms Kid Icarus Wii, he just says that he's not running the project or something so he can't talk about it. I can't remember his exact words, but it was along those lines.

Bensei

#161

Bensei said:

The other things ok, but I don't believe what IGN is believing about a new Kid Icarus or Mario Galaxy, he just said "I can't say anything about kid Icarus" and at Galaxy "Leave it to me" what sounded to me more like a "Let me decide if the next Matio game plays in the universe or at the Peach"

Mike1

#163

Mike1 said:

@Jogurt the Yogurt
I wasn't saying that you said Castlevania and Mega Man 2 weren't classics, I was just using them as an example of what I thought was a classic. Let's just leave it like this, you think Dig Dug is a classic, and I don't. Done.

Meanwhile, I agree with you that all of the E3 whinning is really dumb. I don't know why people make such a big deal about it nowadays, since it's a shell of what it used to be.

Off topic Jogart, what is your avatar of? Is that Monty Mole?

AtTheDriveIn92

#165

AtTheDriveIn92 said:

@Jogurt the Yogurt
When I first played shining force, i thought that if i leveled up Jogurt he would evolve into this like grizzly bear thing haha (don't ask why I thought that) However...I just got that stupid ring :(

firebrand

#167

firebrand said:

@Jogurt the Yogurt

"As for the rest of this off-topic E3 whining: you guys are dumb."

I wouldn't say it's off-topic. The E3 press conference showed us that Nintendo no longer cares about its core audience. They're making so much money off the casual gamers that they don't need us anymore. How can we expect Nintendo to take the Virtual Console seriously when they're so focused on the casual market?

AlexSays

#168

AlexSays said:

@ firebrand- Couldn't have said it better myself.
But being called dumb, by someone who considers Dig Dug a classic, doesn't seem all that bad. :P

Bensei

#169

Bensei said:

Actually it's ooftopic, since this is about the Releases of 14th July :P

I'd really like to see Gyromite coming back, but Nintendo hasn't supported NES Zapper games yet (the only 3rd Party game which had that feature (Operation Wolf) in Original, has no option for adding the Wii Zapper, Duck Hunt and Co. are still TBA/cancelled?) so why should they make a new Wii R.O.B. (for a downloadable game!)? :P

firebrand

#170

firebrand said:

@x.SuperMario.x

Dig Dug is a classic. It's just a classic that's been released over and over and over again.

firebrand

#171

firebrand said:

@Bensei

"Actually it's ooftopic, since this is about the Releases of 14th July"

Whatever. I don't feel like starting a fight with anybody. The past six months has left me drained. Maybe we'll get the games we want. Maybe we won't. The whole situation is out of our control now.

uncle_smuck

#172

uncle_smuck said:

Nintendo is on to a winner with the casual market. It doesn't need gamers who want the Zelda's metroid's and games with real depth. Who could blame them? Why struggle being "hardcore" when the wii is selling so well thanks to the casuals. If i had a buisness that was working outstandingly well why would i risk losing money changing audience direction?

"If i had a buisness!! god help me!"

hansolo350

#173

hansolo350 said:

Dig Dug is a classic, but then again so is ET and Superman 64. That being said, I really enjoy Dig Dug.

Rexy

#175

Rexy said:

If this whole thing is starting to get to that point, then I have an idea to convince Nintendo to get more of what we want. How about we go into the Nintendo Channel, look at all the games we haven't sent our rating for yet, and classify them all as "casual"? That way, they'll see that true casual gaming is actually those that see it as a leisurely custom, not based on the accessibility (what I would prefer to call "non-games" to this degree). ;)

Ricardo91

#176

Ricardo91 said:

@Rexy, comment #137. That's precisely why I sold that game. I wouldn't play it for a week or two, then my town would all of a sudden become overrun by those suckers, so then I spend the next 2 hours trying to pull them all. Other than that, I liked Animal Crossing. Hopefully AC:CF will tone this issue down a bit.

@Andrew. Kirby Superstar Ultra? Bangai-o Spirits? A new Castlevania? Three all-time classic RPG remakes? Yeah, the DSs upcoming lineup is looking REALLY lackluster. T_T
Sarcasm aside, If you're just talking first-party, though, I understand that. Not a lot of action this year.

@Everyone above debating whether or not Dig Dug should be considered a classic. Dig Dug rules, and it is an arcade classic. It's just been re-released way too many times. I now have a Dig Dug avatar to celebrate this apparent fact.

As for all this E3 talk, I only saw the highlights (FF XIII coming to 360, microsoft aping the wii, the new wii controller attachment, ect.), and I don't think that Nintendo's conference was a total bust. Wii sports Resort and Animal Crossing w/ Voice chat sound good, and so does wario land shake! (though it would've made more sense to release it on wiiware.). As for Captain Rainbow, I'm.....um.....Not really sure what to say about that. But I too wish they had a little more than that to offer to us. Maybe they'll reveal the more high-profile games later in the year, one could hope.

As backstabbing as it sounds, Most of my focus is on Microsoft anyway. God I want a 360 SO BAD!!

firebrand

#178

firebrand said:

@Mr. Cheez

Wario Land:Shake It! wasn't mentioned at Nintendo's E3 press conference. Neither was Mario Super Sluggers for that matter. It was all Wii Sports Resort, Wii Music, Shaun White, sales charts, and soccer moms.

As far as I'm concerned, Nintendo has backstabbed us. I would be wary of the 360. They tend to break on people. The PS3 seems the best choice at the moment.

Ricardo91

#179

Ricardo91 said:

^ I didn't mention Mario Super Sluggers. And believe it or not, I'm looking forward to Shaun White's Snowboarding (I've been dying for a good skiing/snowboarding game that uses the balance board ever since We Ski proposed the idea.) But wii music didn't impress me all that much. A good idea for a minigame. Not so much as a full-priced game.

Now that Final Fantasy XIII has gone 360, The only reasons I'd want a PS3 now is for God of War III, MGS4, that gorgeous Blu-ray player, Littlebigplanet, and Resistance 2. As for 360, I'm still worried about the Red Rings of Death. Hopefully, the problem has become less rampant than it used to be, and if it hasn't, that might be a risk I'd have to take. My mind has been set. :)

I never thought that the Wii had the chutzpah (I love using that word!)to outdo the other systems anyway. Speaking for some gamers, I always think of the wii as being a strong second system to go w/ their PS3 and 360, not as strong as a standalone system. Hopefully the strong casual sales haven't gone completely to Ninty's head. :|

AlexSays

#180

AlexSays said:

Yeah, the Wii is a great compliment to another console.

Although, to get the most out of gaming, people have to purchase all three consoles, and a high quality PC for that matter.
But who has that kind of money? :P

Ricardo91

#181

Ricardo91 said:

"To get the most out of gaming, people have to purchase all three consoles, and a high-quality PC for that matter. But who has that kind of money?"

Precisely. Actually I'd have that kind of money, since I'm rich :D. But even then, I only choose to buy 2 out of the 3 consoles at market. Though that policy could change. ;)
Edit: I'm not much of a PC gamer, so I don't have to worry about investing in a high-quality one.

"Yeah. The wii is a great compliment to another console."

Excuse me. Was that sarcasm? Cuz If it was, I meant mainly to Nintendo fans, not necessarily the Halo dweebs and whatno... Ugh, Why do I even try? What's the point? No wonder Rexy thought about never posting here again... :P

Edit: Will there ever be a time when this site can announce a weekly release schedule in peace, i.e. without the wrath of fanboys and whatnot? Nobody answer that, cuz I already know the answer: No. :P

will1

#182

will1 said:

The Wii will be like karaoke in a few years... only being played at parties... I just traded my Wii for a new DS and a few games (ninja gaiden rocks). I still have $175 left for the Xbox360!!!
@ CHEEZ the new Xbox ships in Aug w/ a new Jasper chipset. This chipset is said to have finally addressed the previous issues that plagued the Xbox (RROD) which has cost the company around a billion dollars, and it is going to be only $300!
Sorry guys don't Flame this post but if you want TRUE VC of your choice, get DS + Elink and show your Wii who's the boss! =)
Best of luck waiting for those VC games!

Cally

#184

Cally said:

I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo announced a new console in a year or two (like, succeeding the Wii). I mean, the N64 and GameCube both lost miserably in the last two generations (the latter undeservedly, imo), so it's no surprise they didn't afford the R&D necessary for a new, next-gen processor, and just upgraded the GameCube's guts and made motion-controls (which I'm still hopeful for some more good new ideas for that).

I feel like they can't really be blamed for appealing to the softcore audience, then. I mean, games is all Nintendo does unlike Sony and Microsoft.

"Final Fantasy XIII has gone 360"

Well, yeah, they said it's going to be "ported" from the PS3 version, though. As is, Final Fantasy XIII sure looks like the best of the PS3 I've seen, and the others (MGS4, Killzone 2) have/will fill up Blu-Rays (Squeenix is talking about aggressive data-compression) and really do push the hardware beyond what a 360 has run so far. I'd have to see it to believe it, that a 360 port of that game would look as good as on the PS3--and I REALLY hope they don't skimp on the PS3 version on account of having to port it later.

Cally

#185

Cally said:

"As far as I'm concerned, Nintendo has backstabbed us. I would be wary of the 360. They tend to break on people. The PS3 seems the best choice at the moment."

I totally agree--although let's face it, Nintendo just needs to prioritize not going bankrupt after the GC somehow fritzed into obscurity despite some awesome games, controller, and hardware (fortunately for them, they actually make profits from sales of the Wii actual console unlike the others thanks to its last-gen system architecture). The PS3 looks like the system with the most future. Bioshock's developers ignored it but now that game is being ported with enhancements, and more notable companies will probably find it worthwhile to do likewise. Second-parties are leaving MS left and right (Bungie of Halo fame, and Bioware is looking to be staying lss loyal than they thought). And Sony's first-party developers are on fire compared to Microsoft's. The rather few new notable 360 exclusives don't really indicate that we haven't already pretty much hit the roof of what that system can do. MS wanted its head-start because they barely turned a profit with the Xbox and wanted to beat Sony this time around they way Sony did before (SO many things wrong with that logic). I'm wary about how loyal MS will be to the 360 after how they killed the first after all this.

AtTheDriveIn92

#186

AtTheDriveIn92 said:

@Cally
Nintendo isn't going to go bankrupt because the Gamecube wasn't the best console last generation, you're obviously forgetting the GBA, GBA SP, and currently, the DS. These handheld systems sell way more than any other console, they sell like PS2's did back in the day.

Cally

#187

Cally said:

^^

Yes, Nintendo totally dominates the handheld market and that probably won't change. They are completely awesome at it. ;)

For a while, though, many were questioning whether Nintendo would turn into a third party developer, like Sega did, because of the two lost console wars (sales, not quality). Nintendo came back and said "the day we quit making hardware is the day we quit the business." There were definitely times, there, that people wondered about Nintendo's ability to support a console. (I think I have my chronology right on those quotes)

Kirby's Canvas Curse (underappreciated!) was a hardcore game that used the DS's touchscreen in such a way that you couldn't possibly have made that game for any other machine. There were a couple stages in Super Mario Galaxy where you blew Mario around in a bubble with the pointer--awesome, and I'd like to see a full hardcore game with pointer/motion-controls similar to what Canvas Curse was on the DS when someone gets the nerve to try it.

el_cabarto

#188

el_cabarto said:

@Cally #184 "I feel like they can't really be blamed for appealing to the softcore audience, then."

What can I say? Nintendo understands that some of us aren't yet ready to move up to snuff films or videos about the crazy stuff you can get a Japanese school girl to do on camera. They understand this and they provide.

Cally

#189

Cally said:

@el cabarto

Sorry, some were using the term "hardcore," so I said "softcore"--should have said "casual." Otherwise I hope I didn't miss your point.

I think the Wii is awesome, though I agree it's severely disappointing not to see more innovation+real-game-design ("hardcore") right now.

BTW Ninja Commando looks great

alxtlvra

#190

alxtlvra said:

It looks that many people here need a lesson or two about classic games. A classic game is a title that offers revolutionary new ideas (in gameplay, music and graphics) to the whole gaming industry (developers, gamers & journalists) therefore fulfilling its objetives; entertaining, drawing you into the game and so evolving along with the industry (like Space Invaders, Super Mario Bros and Super Mario 64, Street Fighter and lately Wii Sports). Trascending from the video game world into the Pop culture, and so not needing to be a gamer to know the franchise.

BUT MAYBE THE MOST IMPORTANT FACT IS THAT ALL THE CLASSIC GAMES ARE FUN. You play them because you get excited, relaxed or even emotive, NOT because you'll be punished in some way if you dont (Any Animal Crossing, most FFCC, Wii Fit ). And to do that they dont need graphics, variety, difficulty, 'deepness', not even a story behind (sometimes the fact of not being pursuing certain goal, not saving, not even any change at all like Pong makes you relax and truly enjoy the game itself, not your victory nor your achievements). I mean you wont play Chrono Trigger, Halo 3, nor Final Fantasy (many CASUAL gamers havent even heard about 'em) after a long day working and an upside down noon shopping, dinning, etc with your girl, but you will be always in the mood to play the well known Pac-Man, Donkey Kong (any), any classic Megaman, Mario Kart 64 or even Zelda OOT (games, horse riding, even just sitting to watch time pass, raining or landscape) for five minutes, this is what denotes a true classic.

Dig dug (and also DK3 and other games which its "classicness" was doubted here) happens to fulfill said premise since it was released for arcades amidst the space shooters 'boom' being from the genere maze/puzzle. It also was one of the first games that began to deatail the background and title screen, not only coloring it, but even interacting with (rocks, digging).

It may not be a Nintendo classic, its Famicom port maybe wasnt as innovative as the arcade version. But for sure it is a true gaming classic, anyone who denies it, havent learned even a wordof this beautiful world of video-gaming for sure.

PD. WHEN DID KEEPING SECRET PRODUCTS BECAME AN EFFECTIVE MARKETING STRATEGY? FIRST SECRET (AND DECREASING) VC RELEASES, NOW NO E3 NEWS ABOUT GAMES FROM NOVEMBER AND ON, NO STORAGE SOLUTION.

WHATS THE POINT? ITS THE GAMING´S HISTRORY GREATEST STUPIDITY - EVER - !!!

timp29

#191

timp29 said:

so is tomorrow a vc day or a wiiware day?
They've been mixing it up recently... do you think they'll stick to the formula?

Bass_X0

#192

Bass_X0 said:

after last week's two VC games only, who knows. we'll have to wait and see. i am kinda expecting at least one wiiware game and one vc game.

Will

#193

Will said:

"As far as I'm concerned, Nintendo has backstabbed us. I would be wary of the 360. They tend to break on people. The PS3 seems the best choice at the moment."

Nah, forget the consoles if you want your hardcore games experiance. A nice P.C. with a broadband connection is the way to go. Dont worry about console exclusives, the likes of GTA IV and Halo3 will find their way to P.C. in time. Yeah, its gonna cost you a few £££ more, but if you were considering the like of PS3 in the first place then you probly have the cash :) Nice P.C + Wii console = a win for gamage :D

Rexy

#196

Rexy said:

Yeah, and they have the worst backwards compatability urk of all - you upgrade your PC, and your old games may stop working altogether. It's a very risky setup to go for IMO :(

I'm not too optimistic over the issue myself - even if there were lesser VC titles, we didn't get any Wiiware titles, so I doubt we'll get VC releases this week.

Still, even with Nintendo's disappointing E3 conference, I'm still not convinced to make a move onto the other two. Microsoft did go far with the price drop, the fixing of the RROD and pulling a few strings from Sony at least (hint hint: FF13, even though I'm not particularly interested in it), but seeing as if the console is still seen as a medium for shooters and the like, it's hard for those not into the genre to find anything interesting for it. Likewise with the PS3 - they hit rock bottom with only bragging about the power of the machine and more sequels; the only saving grace, as ever, turned out to be Little Big Planet, but it's still not enough to make a move on what would essentially be a $400 paperweight.

So as far as I'm concerned, true hardcore seems to have been thrown completely out of the window everywhere, not just with Nintendo. The least we can do now is do our OWN research and see if we can find anything worth it, even from the multi-console third parties or whatever.

Cally

#197

Cally said:

Next-gen kinda scared me from the beginning: Higher development costs=made-by-committee feel, fewer games, fear of taking chances, etc. (This is what I appreciate about the Wii and DS.) Almost like the troubles that happen with Hollywood.

It's really not that bad, but I think I had more fun last gen . . .

PHANTOM93

#198

PHANTOM93 said:

@ Rexy 1st paragraph

I'm finding that my PC's backwards compatibility works just fine. I can still play the first 3 Duke Nukem games just fine, though I have to put up with PC sounds on the second and no music on the third, but I can use my DOS emulator to fix that (except I have no idea how to work with command line code, but it can't be too hard :-) ) Tomb Raider 2 works fine, Jazz JackRabbit 2 plays excellently and any 8-bit games that I have I just drop into 256 color mode to play. All though there were some games of mine that had PHAYLE (yes it is pronounced fail) moments (Serious Sam 2 looked like it was being played on a Virtual boy lol) a quick change in gamma and a switch to 16-bit textures fixed all that. but yes PC's are very risky for game consoles (my dads crashed many times while playing games) I find that it's the new PC games that have the problems because if your specs aren't high enough you have to upgrade, but when they are high enough all that the game does is crash on you for no apparent reason.

P.S. Just 2 more comments to go until 200!

firebrand

#199

firebrand said:

@Rexy

"Still, even with Nintendo's disappointing E3 conference, I'm still not convinced to make a move onto the other two."

I don't plan on getting a PS3 until fall of 2009. By then, Sony should have a good selection of Greatest Hits titles. Maybe they'll even have a price reduction for the console. My problem with the Wii is that there are only three titles coming out this year that I'm interested in. They are Wario Land: Shake, de Blob, and Deadly Creatures. I can name ten for the PS3:

1. Soul Calibur IV
2. Silent Hill: Homecoming
3. Fallout 3
4. LittleBigPlanet
5. Dead Space
6. Mirror's Edge
7. Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe
8. Prince of Persia
9. Bionic Commando Rearmed
10. BioShock

will1

#200

will1 said:

Hmm... Game shout VC metal gear 2(superhard), Battletoads(Superhard), Castlevania3, Wizards&warriors2! (i played last night)
DK#3 should be at the tops of course. =)
Yay im 200!!!!

AlexSays

#201

AlexSays said:

Yeah, I can't name too many Wii games I want this year.
The main ones are...
Animal Crossing.
Tales of Symphonia II.
MLB Power Pros. 08.
And so far, that's it. :(

Ricardo91

#203

Ricardo91 said:

^I was going to get SC: Legends, but I heard it was awful. I don't usually base my purchasing decisions on critic's opinions, but when they ALL seem to bash it, that's a good sign it probably sucks. Maybe They should've released it day and date w/ SC IV...

@Firebrand. Yeah! And you can get 80% of those games also on Xbox 360! JK. It's your choice, bud.

@El Cabarto, #188. Haha. Funny joke. :D

Well, I'm stuck posting here on my wii browser, since my computer is now knee-deep in spyware. I think it's mainly because of that damn Python Flash player I installed from IGN 2 play E3 vids. Thanks IGN, thanks. T_T

Edit: My sister just said our computer's all cleaned out now. Still gotta post here, though, as my mom will kill me if she sees me on another Video Game-related site.

Madmanonfire

#204

Madmanonfire said:

It all depends on how much you like action RPG's. I enjoyed it a lot. And Lloyd Irving from Tales of Symphonia is in it. That makes it much more awesome.

el_cabarto

#205

el_cabarto said:

Everyone started putting together their Wii wish-lists and I realized that all the games on mine were released before 1994. Is it sad that I only own 2 actual Wii games?

Bass_X0

#206

Bass_X0 said:

I own several wii games but i can't be bothered playing them much. i still need to finish the subspace emissary but its just too long and boring. i prefer melee's much smaller but more enjoyable and replayable adventure mode.

AlexSays

#207

AlexSays said:

Yes, that is sad.
Even if you bought the Wii for first-party titles, you should have more than two games.
Galaxy, Twilight Princess, Metroid, Brawl, Mario Kart?
Those don't interest you?

Me and a friend flew through the Subspace Emissary.
So it didn't take that long for me. :)

Andrew

#209

Andrew said:

I absolutely loathed the Subspace Emissary. I thought it was way too repetitive. And although the cutscenes were pretty, the "plot" behind them was very weak.

AlexSays

#212

AlexSays said:

Yes it was. I thought fighting Tabuu at the end was pretty cool too.
The only thing I didn't like was the Great Maze, where you had to beat each individual character so you could fight Tabuu.
That really ticked me off. :|

Andrew

#213

Andrew said:

Yeah, I think the Great Maze was one of the main reasons that mode aggravated me so much. It took forever.

Ricardo91

#214

Ricardo91 said:

I thought the SE was alright, but it did get a bit repetitive, which is why I haven't played it much since I beat it. It wasn't a whole lot more than a glorified adventure mode with a silly story imo. I mainly used it as an easy way to unlock some of the characters (unlock Snake by Brawling on Shadow Moses Island 15 times? Screw dat!)

The cutscenes were awesome though, and so were the 2 Ridley battles. Tabuu was pretty cool too, and so was the fight w/ Porky. And yea, the Great Maze was a bitch. :|

btw weren't we just talking about E3 and how terrible a company Nintendo has become? :D

firebrand

#216

firebrand said:

@Mr. Cheez

"Yeah! And you can get 80% of those games also on Xbox 360! JK. It's your choice, bud.'

My friend went through four XBOX 360s before he gave up. Microsoft made bad hardware. Don't say I didn't warn you.

y2josh

#217

y2josh said:

This may be out of left field/off topic, but I didn't know where else to put this. I think next week is the week for Earthbound. E3 will be over and nothing will be coming out for a long hawhile, thats right hawhile. Maybe I'll eat some cool w-hhhhip while i wait :D

AlexSays

#218

AlexSays said:

Earthbound definitely won't come out Monday.
No way.

I'm predicting another fighter or action game on the NeoGeo.
Maybe a game on the NES.
But I doubt we'll see anything too many people care about. :P

y2josh

#219

y2josh said:

You are probably right Super Mario, but I just had a gut feeling, all this stuff that isn't making much of an impact, they are going to want to make lots and lots of money again from the VC. In my eyes (not saying much though) the VC is dying... :(

firebrand

#220

firebrand said:

@Jerichoholic Josh

"In my eyes (not saying much though) the VC is dying..."

I feel the same way. I wonder if the Virtual Console will still be around a year from now.

AlexSays

#221

AlexSays said:

Meh. I don't think the VC will ever die, since it's an easy way for Nintendo to make money.
But I do think it's only going to get worse.
Eventually we'll only get one game a week, and not a widely popular game at that.
Nintendo will just randomly spit out titles, and people will still download it.
In my eyes, the VC is already somewhat dead. I haven't downloaded anything new in a long time.

But hey, it's not the Nintendo of old.
If grandmothers and soccer moms everywhere were clamoring for Earthbound, I'm sure we'd see it next week.

y2josh

#222

y2josh said:

@firebrand

Yeah, I used to be so excited to see what was coming out, but now I just feel like its going to be nothing I want or might like. I get the feeling that it's going to start feeling that way all around if not already. I say WiiWare games will be around, Virtual Console will be in the dust a year from now because they aren't making enough profit from the games.

y2josh

#223

y2josh said:

Maybe we should tell the grandmas and soccer moms that its good for kids and kid friendly then maybe they'd want it and buy it and we would get more... YAY!!! I miss the days of my good ole SNES. Can't wait to play TMNT IV: Turtles in Time when i get off tonight :)

AlexSays

#224

AlexSays said:

Exactly.
Lets spread the word to every grandma, soccer mom, little kid, and anyone else Nintendo actually pays attention to.
Then maybe we'll actually be excited about any of the games being released.

AlexSays

#225

AlexSays said:

I'll make a bold prediction though.
No VC games released in the next 8 weeks will receive 5 out of 5 stars from this site.
Nintendo has ignored their "hardcore" audience the whole summer, and they're still doing great, so they won't be paying attention to us any time soon.

AlexSays

#228

AlexSays said:

One person thinks a game is great, so everyone must think the game is great.
Silly fanboys.

And please don't say, "you haven't tried teh game!!!!11".
I played co-op with my brother, still didn't enjoy it.

To me, the only good game to come out recently was Alex Kidd.
But then for me, the best game on the VC is DoReMi Fantasy.
So I don't exactly agree with the popular opinion.

Rexy

#230

Rexy said:

Even popular opinions or five-star ratings can't be seen as the key consensus. For example, I enjoyed Kirby 64 a LOT more than Kirby's Adventure - nothing to do with the graphical updates or anything, but I just find more of a thrill with Shimomura's contributions over Sakurai's.

People are right in which the VC hasn't had much of interest coming out as of late, but like I keep saying, there's always a future week in which Nintendo could throw something out. Myself, I'm waiting patiently for the next Hanabi Festival (whenever that is) so I can make a move on DoReMi Fantasy and Bio Miracle at least :)

AlexSays

#231

AlexSays said:

I just used the rating system as a way of trying to communicate my point. :P
When I say five-star games, I meant games like Majora's Mask, Earthbound, etc.
So I was trying to say, I don't think we'll see a high profile game for a really long time. :(

Bendover83

#232

Bendover83 said:

nope. :(
Probably won't see a Genesis,SNES, or N64 game until late Aug. or Sept. either. I like a little variety though and actually see, review, and maybe play games I've never heard of. More comments. Keep it going.

7th_lutz

#233

7th_lutz said:

I am looking forward to one of Monday's vc games.

According to Hudson's vc site, we are getting Break in and Star Parodier. Both of them are imports.

Star Parodier is a game that I am looking forward to. I like to download import shoot'em ups. Shoot'em ups is one of my favorite genres of all time.

will1

#235

will1 said:

@Jerichoholic Josh, TMNT (turtles in time) is awesome. I played last night and LOVE it. Fighting Crang w/ his giant suit brings back so many qtrs crunching memories... My favorite thing was trying to see how many footies I could chuck at the screen.
Turtle Power. Oh ya Battletoads were better but Rare made that so we'll see it on XBLA prob if not already.

AlexSays

#238

AlexSays said:

Europe got 2 WiiWare games: Pirates and SPOGS.
And Australia only got Pirates.

Nobody got any VC games.
And I guess Australia isn't good enough to enjoy the classic SPOGS.

Rexy

#240

Rexy said:

Hah, I saw the footage for SPOGS and I thought "how did this thing build so much hype to begin with anyway?" But yes, Australia is a free nation. :D

Bass_X0

#241

Bass_X0 said:

Break In and Star Parodier have been confirmed for Monday. And I'm guessing Pirates will be the WiiWare game.

sadpanda212

#242

sadpanda212 said:

Whilst Break in is forgettable, Star Parodier is an amazing title and well worth spending a few points on. One of my fave VC games.

timp29

#243

timp29 said:

YAY FOR US!! (australia not getting spogs)
pity i changed my region to europe :(
Anyway guys, we can get this badass news thread to 300!!!
So, will the US get any VC love on monday?!?!?

GameSearcher

#246

GameSearcher said:

I'm guesstimating that Shining Force 2 will come out July 28 or August 4. My theory is that Shining Force 2 will be released a year after Shining Force was released. Also, I noticed that the European, U.S. and Japanese releases of Shining Force were about the same time. Considering that Shining Force 2 is coming out in Japan this July, then, maybe we will see an almost simultaneous release of Shining Force 2. Anyone think this theory is sound?

Cally

#248

Cally said:

I have a little more hope than some.

If you look at the top-selling VC titles, they're usually the more popular games in the Nintendo franchises, and Nintendo shot most of those out pretty fast. Japanese generally appreciate old classics more than the west, so that's not a problem for them.

I think they'll just get more and more spread out, is all. I have my grievances with the whole waiting for what Nintendo is sitting on nonsense, of course, but they're probably looking at what's popular out here. A lot of people in the west are likely, once they get all the Marios, Zeldas, Metroids, Sonics, to go saying "well I got what I wanted" and not check the VC anymore. (although, I really wish they'd put out MORE obscure stuff in the meantime)

And then there's Wiiware, that they're trying really hard to get people interested in.

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