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US VC Release - 30th June - Fatal Fury 2

Posted by Marcel van Duyn

While Europe seems to be alternating five and zero Virtual Console game weeks, the US seems to have a pattern as well now. That pattern seems to be two VC games one week, then one the next, two after that, etc.

As last week the US got two games, that means this week there's just one. It's Fatal Fury 2 for the Neo Geo. The Fatal Fury series is rather popular, mostly because of its characters, such as Terry and Andy Bogard, Mai Shiranui and Geese Howard, but they've also got good gameplay. They're not the best fighters ever though, but if you liked the first Fatal Fury (Which is on VC) you will most likely enjoy the sequel, as it is practically the same.

That's all this week! On WiiWare, later today you will receive Magnetica Twist, which was released in Europe a few weeks ago as Actionloop Twist. Check out WiiWare World for info, as usual.

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Marioman64

#1

Marioman64 said:

yay first comment!

i'm not a big fan of these fighter games (except smash bros of course)

and as for mario rpg, nintendo loves me so much they're probably waiting to release it on my birthday (August 29th) and send it to the US the monday after! yay!

Rawk_Hawk

#3

Rawk_Hawk said:

Well if we are going to 6 VC games a month, I hope future months are not so heavy on Neo-Geo but on the 16-bit platforms such as Genesis and SNES. For this reason I was leary that the VC added SMS and Neo Geo in the first place. More systems added less games released. I feel at this point I have a better chance of winning the lottery than seeing Vectorman released. Sorry not to be a downer on Fatal Fury because I do like the series.

morphballer

#4

morphballer said:

I'll take two and three game weeks over one game a week... any week! :P

@Tony: I just got Vector Man and VM 2 (and a bunch of other Genesis games) for $10 from Gamestop last week. All you need is a PS2...

DEMON212

#5

DEMON212 said:

Tony, more systems = more games. What you mean is, more systems = less games that you want being released on a weekly basis.

But some want SMS and NG games, I know I do.

7th_lutz

#7

7th_lutz said:

Fatal Fury 2 is a solid release.

Next Month shouldn't have as many Neo Geo game vcreleases in North America.

I say that because 3 tg-16/ Turbo cd vc gamesreleases were announced by Hudson for July and there should be a Sms vc game release next month.

Mike1

#8

Mike1 said:

One freakin game! Come on Nintendo. And stop giving us Neo Geo games, how about supporting your own systems like the NES, SNES, or N64. Yet another week with more garbage.

Mazero

#9

Mazero said:

@Mike
Yet again, you've just called the week garbage because one game came out. Please try it before you call it garbage

Lugia2

#11

Lugia2 said:

Wait, wait WAIT. Only ONE VC game and ONE WiiWare game this week? Dear lord! At least we were getting 3-4 total before but this is insane!

At this rate, Europe will get 10-15 VC and 4-6 WiiWare games a month. Jesus Christ! We won't even be close! Nintendo of America, what the heck are you doing?!?

Sure those two games are good, but we used to get more games, especially more GOOD games! What's going on at NOA?

RGVEDA

#12

RGVEDA said:

There are enough games to catch up! On both Sides :) They should catch up a few weeks. That would be good :)

Jogurt_the_Yogurt

#13

Jogurt_the_Yogurt said:

Solid release. And another mildly interesting WiiWare title. It's good that they're piling on the Neo Geo games after people spent months complaining about the lack of them. They'll run out at this rate! :D

North99

#14

North99 said:

I don't play fighers, so there is nothing of interest to me again this week. No surprise there. So I'll spend the $10 or so on Cheetos and beer instead, then I'll sit down and play Age of Conan on my PC.

Rapadash6

#15

Rapadash6 said:

Bravo NOA, bravo. You've officially cut our amount of VC releases by half from this time last year. Great job! I mean, it makes perfect sense, right? Decrease the amount of downloadable content during months where you're not offering anything new at retail. Brilliant!

Seriously, though, I understand that while we have been getting a few above average titles lately, there is still no excuse for single release weeks like this anymore, especially with Japan and Europe getting 15+ and 10 games a month, respectively. Do you guys realize that on a month with 4 mondays we'd only recieve 6 games? That's deplorable!

Here's another thing to think about; Considering we already know 3 of the games we'll be recieving in July (Break In, Chase H.Q. and Star Parodier for the TG16) and King of the Monsters a highly likely candadate, there is little room for any surprises. That only leaves two mystery games and I'm betting both will be "catch up" titles from what Europe already has.

There use to be a time where I could count on AT LEAST one major, highly requested title a month but it seems those days are long gone. I understand that Neo Geo fighters are important to some people and I can respect that, but we need more variety than what we have been getting, and at only 6 or 7 games a month it's just not happening. Both the current VC situation AND the future look grim for the service in North America and it sucks, plain and simple.

firebrand

#16

firebrand said:

Another one game week. This is getting tedious. Maybe Nintendo will get their act together in 2009.

MorriganIsHot

#17

MorriganIsHot said:

EU get 5 games a week , Japan get 7 games a week , and now America still get one vc game a week? I just don't get it and am'I the only one getting tired of nintendo releasing fighter after fighter games on vc? why ain't they releasing their games like starfox , kirby dreamland 3 , super mario kart , super mario allstars , yoshi safari , kirby superstar , mario paint , and any nintendo related games. I'm starting to Hate the VC now. nintendo of america don't even give a crap about what they put on vc. if its a crappy game then they will release it and if its a good game then they will hold it back who knows how long like a bunch of faggots.

PALgamer

#18

PALgamer said:

Just did a little filtering on the Out Now list for VC, both Europe and US have the same amount of games available (233 with 27 titles exclusive between them).

@PSWii60Gamer: Europe gets 5 games per two weeks.

firebrand

#19

firebrand said:

"There use to be a time where I could count on AT LEAST one major, highly requested title a month but it seems those days are long gone."

Rapadash6 is right. I think the Virtual Console has officially jumped the shark.

Rexy

#20

Rexy said:

As much as I appreciate Fatal Fury and the fact that the Neo Geo library is finally starting to become more diverse, I have to side with the fact that the Americans aren't getting as much as other territories when it comes to the VC now. Either Nintendo is running out of stuff to freely distribute over the VC, or there's a questionable PR team making these kinds of decisions.

ttplayer92

#21

ttplayer92 said:

Remeber how nintendo said there will be atleast 10 vc games a month? WTF happened to that?

firebrand

#23

firebrand said:

Rapadash6, remember when you wrote this:

"If June comes and the half assed releases continue, then you have my permission to call me out on this but I think you'll be too busy playing your awesome new VC releases to care."

In all fairness, I thought June would turn out to be a better month too.

edux

#24

edux said:

Maybe this is the storage solution that they were talkin about. No games to download = no memory to fill

firebrand

#25

firebrand said:

Rexy,

"Either Nintendo is running out of stuff to freely distribute over the VC, or there's a questionable PR team making these kinds of decisions."

Questionable PR team. There's not a doubt in my mind. At least Kaplan would talk to the press once in awhile. I don't even know who her replacement is.

03bgood

#26

03bgood said:

Why can't Nintendo at least release about 2 games each week I'm not expecting them to be like Europe, but to at least release two games that we actually care about. Oh well, at least we got a 4-star game.

Rapadash6

#28

Rapadash6 said:

@firebrand

Yes, I do remember that and clearly thinking logically about how Nintendo would deligate between thier retail and downloadable releases was a futile effort on my part, I'm afraid. Appearantly there is no thought process like that within the people making these decisions. Of course I do remember saying that to someone from Europe, and thier situation had improved in June. So I was half right, technically. I only hope I'm wrong in what I'm saying now about only getting 6 games this month. We'll see, I guess.

classicmike

#29

classicmike said:

@ edux: I agree with you that this could be NoA's solution to the memory problem everyone was complaining about, or they just did that to even out the amount of games that America and europe had by giving us nearly nothing but giving Europe about double we get out of two weeks. I am saying this because I think at the beginning of June, didn't America have more virtual console games than Europe? Anyway, now that the amount of games Europe has equals the amount we have, I think that we might start getting a lot more releases in July than what we got in June.

MaxPlastic

#30

MaxPlastic said:

Again, the NEO*GEO games are obsolete considering all represented games are on the SNK Arcade Collection Volume One (Available for PSP, PS2, and even Wii soon). Plus, Metal Slug Anthology was released ages ago for the Wii, so really what else would you want from SNK that you would honestly play for more than ten minutes?
Most of the games that were ESRB rated and then taken off, are showing up again as remakes or rereleases for other Nintendo systems or WiiWare (Dr Mario, WiiWare; Kirby SuperStar, DS), So I hope they don't do this with Mario RPG. I got it on my SNES but for convenience's sake I would so much rather have it on the VC

... Plus if they DO release Mario RPG, it'll show that both Square and Nintendo are just a liiittle bit less stingy

Disappointing week

TokiToku

#31

TokiToku said:

Hey, but we have 7 more WiiWare games then Europe, and most of them are good like DYC and Pop. But it is true, it got mad when i heard there was only fatal fury 2, sigh.

MrPoo6321

#32

MrPoo6321 said:

So, we get 6 VC games a month while Europe gets 10? wtf? Here's to another crap week for VC and WW.

MaxPlastic

#33

MaxPlastic said:

@TokiToku

Yeah. Awesome. PoP, Critter Round-Up, and My Pokemon Ranch are so awesome... I can't believe I actually lived without them T_T

ChocoDK

#34

ChocoDK said:

Another week and once again no titles I am interested in. To be honest I would rather have in a way Europes pattern because at least they get five VC games once every two weeks which beats three VC games in two weeks. Then again though I don't like the way Europe gets Wii Ware releases but I haven't even downloaded one Wii Ware game. The VC is a major dissapointment to me and next gen I am waiting till the end of the gen to buy the systems I want =P.

RGVEDA

#35

RGVEDA said:

PALgamer Spain 30 Jun 2008, 15:28 GMT

Just did a little filtering on the Out Now list for VC, both Europe and US have the same amount of games available (233 with 27 titles exclusive between them).

USA has 28 games on ther "US Only List". There is Super Mario Bros 2 Japan Version. That was limited in Europe and no more available.... :(

el_cabarto

#36

el_cabarto said:

Seriously, whoever is in charge of Nintendo's VC release department is a straight up moron. Don't give me any of this crud about 'oh wow, fatal fury is pretty decent'. The game doesn't appeal to a LOT of people because we're tired of fighters. How many hundreds of SNES titles are there? Genesis? NES? Unless Nintendo has some crazy delusion that the Wii is going to have longevity that lasts decades then there is no excuse and no reason to have such a shoddy release schedule.

will1

#37

will1 said:

Nes- 700+ / Neogeo- 150+ / Super Nintendo- 100+ / Nintendo 64- 300+ / Sega Genesis- 100+ / Turbo graphix- 100+
So that's like 1500 games. If by miracle Nintendo decided to release just 2 games from any sytem every week until all games were released that would be.... like 15 years. Sounds like a long wait.... now let's take away all the great titles from companies Nintendo is not going to work with (RARE). I only have one thing to say and that is " Where's Conker!!"
How many great games will we never see... =)
Nintendo has been out about 2yrs so that means we have 208 great games to choose from right?? SWEET!!!! only 13 more years to go.
Looks like I am done hoping and waiting for nintendo to throw me a bone. Sorry nintendo I gonna emu all night and play 360 everyday. I think I fell for the hype... oh ya alone in the dark is horrid graphically and the gameplay is just subpar for a "next gen" system: rent before you buy.
Game shout: Banjo Kazooie, Maniac Mansion with motion controls.

Golgo1327

#38

Golgo1327 said:

So stoked, I've been waiting for this for a while......too bad I only have 2 blocks open

Lylvia

#40

Lylvia said:

Wow, I'm an avid nintendo fan, but this week is terrible. The last thing I had on my mind is another neo geo brawler, especially with neo geo anthology due out within weeks. This is just crap, it makes last week look like a godsend. Please nintendo, for the sake of all the people who actually care, give us something real to sink our teeth into for once. Not to say that you havn't in the past, but you'd make so many more people happy if you steadily released great games every week. I'm sick of waiting anxiously every week only to get letdown come monday by another silly game that no one really wants. Please don't continue to let us down!

Kultist

#42

Kultist said:

Pretty disappointed to see the VC releases pattern coming up. At this rate, I'll be bored with VC before the end of 2008. VC was one of the primary reasons I bough a Wii (out of nostalgia I guess), so this is a major letdown, considering the slowdown on VC and the lack of great Wii releases :(

alvieao

#43

alvieao said:

As much as I would see another Neo Geo fighter, this is getting tiring fast. This "pattern" for North America is really trying everyone's patience. (Releasing one or two games is NOT a solution to the Wii's storage problem!) Give us more games from the NES, SNES and Genesis, and TG-16 already!

Cally

#44

Cally said:

@MaxPlastic

I read an IGN review of that collection (I don't see this game on the list). Like the reviewer said, 16 Neo Geo games on one disc=$1.25 per game (many of which are VC games). He complained about some technical issues, though.

Phantom5800

#45

Phantom5800 said:

I know there are people that like the old fighters, but when I heard of the VC I had dreams of playing classic Nintendo titles most of all (SMRPG, Earthbound, DK64, etc)

everydayJOE

#46

everydayJOE said:

THAT'S IT!!! I'M GONNA ASSASINATE MIYAMOTO!!!! HA! HA! HA!
Jk kidding guys don't flame me.

Earth_ninja

#47

Earth_ninja said:

@MaxPlastic

I agree with you, the WiiWare isn't as all what I thought it would be. I recently downloaded Gyrostarr because people were saying it's good, if you like sliding around on a board and smashing the attack button... then go for it, but WiiWare sucks, I'd rather have VC games that can actually hold my attention for more than 10 minutes.

Mike1

#48

Mike1 said:

9. Mazero 30 Jun 2008, 14:27 GMT
@Mike
Yet again, you've just called the week garbage because one game came out. Please try it before you call it garbage

Dude, look at the other comments on this page. Maybe the game is good, but I'm not the only one who thinks this week blows. This week is garbage because every NeoGeo game is coming out on the SNK Collection. Give us Nintendo games!

Rawk_Hawk

#50

Rawk_Hawk said:

The excitement of the VC as worn off this year. I agree Mike
I have nothing against Fatal Fury 2 , but 5-6 games a month. Ugh

03bgood

#51

03bgood said:

@will
I agree with you, Nintendo should release like 5-10 games each Monday. Then maybe by 2023, we will have a virtual holographic gaming console that downloads thousands of games from today like SSBB and Mario Kart Wii, LOL!!

Cally

#52

Cally said:

@Mazero

"Please try it"? I believe you mean "buy it," as I don't know of other ways you can "try" a VC game.

Come to think of it, XBLA lets you play trial versions of stuff . . .

RevolverLink

#53

RevolverLink said:

I'm not big on fighters, so nothing for me this week. 5-6 VC games a month and nothing for the SNES since March has gotten really old. I'd much rather have the NoE pattern of 5 games every two weeks.

Kevin

#55

Kevin said:

If they're going have release weeks like these constantly they need to go back to two or three vc games a week.

PHANTOM93

#57

PHANTOM93 said:

I'm not complaining or anything but could someone answer me this: Why is it that practically all of the neogeo games on the vc are fighting games? ( the neogeo came out when I was like 1 or so so I don't know what kind of games came out for it )

AlexSays

#58

AlexSays said:

Cool, so now we get 4 WiiWare games, and 4 VC games a month?
Awesome.

It's amazing, two things in this world will always stay consistent.
1.) Gas prices will rise.
2.) WW/VC releases will decline.

Mike1

#59

Mike1 said:

I saw this comment on the Gamefaqs message board:

"I see a lot of people on here, week after week, who are disappointed when Nintendo releases crap games on the Virtual Channel. They speak their mind about how unintriguied they are, only to be bashed by people saying "Why can't you just be happy?", or "Stop *****ing, that really is a good game!" Well, I'm tired of that BS. Let me tell you, as one of the people who has been frustrated and downright disappointed with Nintendo for the last 4 weeks, atleast, I can tell you why we are. A lot of these games that we call crap, that you refer to as a 'good game', weren't very popular back on their original releases. And why weren't they very popular? Because the majority of people considered them to be CRAP. Why would that consideration be any different nowadays? Simple, it's not going to be. Games didn't get popular back then because they were 'cool graphical pieces of art', that's for damn sure. They got popular because people liked them, they thought they were a lot of fun to play, and then word of mouth got more and more people playing it. Let's face it, the games that Nintendo have been releasing aren't nearly what people had hoped for, so of course they're going to be disappointed. There are TONS of GREAT, RECOGNIZED games for Nintendo to still be releasing, which now may never see the light of day again at the rate they're going. So stop pissing and moaning about the people who don't like what they see on the Wiikly release, not everybody likes the same crappy games that you do, and they have a right to say so..."

I posted this quote because that is how myself and many others on this board feel right now with the VC.

AlexSays

#60

AlexSays said:

@ Mike- Preach it to me my brotha.

People need to stop buying these games. Then Nintendo will say, "OMG We're not making money!" Then maybe we'll see the high quality titles.

But at the moment, I'd bet any amount of money, at the rate we're going, that we won't see a few great games such as Majora's Mask, Star Ocean (best game on SNES), and more.

Stratos

#61

Stratos said:

Has anyone actually emailed NOA to complain or are we just complaining to each other? If someone has emailed them, what was the response.
We should all send a letter of complaint to Nintendo to show that we are dissatisfied with what they are doing. Also, has anyone written to IGN and gotten them to ask Nintendo why this is messed up? They seem to have a connection with the higher-ups so maybe they could get the message through.

Mike1

#62

Mike1 said:

"People need to stop buying these games. Then Nintendo will say, "OMG We're not making money!" Then maybe we'll see the high quality titles."

Hell yeah! The funny thing is the people that say on Monday to try new games every week are the same people saying on Tuesday that nothing ever good comes out. Even though I owned an N64 and Gamecube, a lot of people didn't. Back then Nintendo wished people would buy their systems and software. Now that people are buying the Wii they go back to their arrogant days of the NES. Beware Nintendo. I will always support you, but others might get so tired of these garbage VC releases that you might turn people off.

Rawk_Hawk

#63

Rawk_Hawk said:

@ Stratos
Yes several times. You get a standard email stating that you can expect 10-12 games a month, but sometimes licsensing issues with develeoprs slow things down Etc. Etc. keep checking back each week to what is released.

What bothers me is that I sold my old systems(except NES it does not work) because I thought the VC would make all of the classic I used to own availible. But I still can't play some the games I had on those systems. I guess its my fault, but I expected more from the VC.

MorriganIsHot

#64

MorriganIsHot said:

I agree with both Mike and Stratos. someone need to e-mail nintendo to get them to releasing NINTENDO games. that was one of the reason I brought a Wii to play games that I miss playing back in the good ol days.

will1

#65

will1 said:

MIYAMOTO is a marketing genius. Rarely do you see a company invest so little (in regards to technology) and profit soooo much. It's the perfect strategy... Graphics, Depth of the Game, Online play, VC... These were a small part of NoA's plan. Something quick, fun and easy to play was the big idea. They get a comsumer to be excited about buying useless extras such as Bal boards and Sports packs with various accesories and sleeves and wireless nunchucks and VC controllers and zappers and probably swords soon not to mention the Wii is basically a Gamecube with motion controls and sooo many ps2 ports it hurts. OOF!! NINTENDO is Killin' it hard... Make That Money Boy.
So I think NINTENDO is the winner BECAUSE they keep expenses low and profits high. This being said it is safe to say nintendo will no longer be getting their money from me ( $800+) unless there are drastic inprovments... Way to go Big N.. U win.. Now release the cool games you showed 2 years ago like Sadness and Day of Crisis or even Wii Music for god's sake where did those go???????

Rapadash6

#66

Rapadash6 said:

@Stratos

I e-mailed them a very frank but well mannered letter, explaining why VC and WiiWare should be treated as seperate services and NOT infringe on the amount of releases from each. I made very good arguments and backed them up with poiniant reasoning. It was probably one of the most eloquent letters I've written and I spent a fair amount of time on it. I recieved a reply fairly quickly but all it basically said was that they'd foward my concerns to the proper channels. I'm guessing that's a nice way of saying they'll put my e-mail in the recycle bin, as no attempt was made to give me a reason as to why North America is seeing such poor treatment on the VC front, nor answers to any of my questions were provided.

I just wish there was an effective way to get the messege across, but with a company like Nintendo I think it's pretty hopeless. The only way is to stop buying thier products all together but then you risk them abandoning the core audiance completely. GAHH! This whole situation is damn frustrating!

Objection

#67

Objection said:

According to Wikipedia's count, before today the US and Europe were tied in VC releases. That means if they get more than 1 this week then they will have finally bypassed us.

Adamant

#68

Adamant said:

@PSWii60Gamer: Uh.. you complain about "crappy" games on the VC, then clamor for Mario Paint, a crappy version of Microsoft Paint with Mario slapped on? Right.

Oh, and to all you people who whine about all Neo Geo games being on the upcoming Anthology, FF2 is NOT on that collection. Also, the game kick a lot of ass. Go download now.

We ARE getting good releases, you people just whine about first-party Nintendo titles and refuse to try anything else.

firebrand

#69

firebrand said:

@Stratos

I e-mailed Nintendo of America way back and they sent me the same canned response everyone else got. After that, they ignored my e-mails.

I wouldn't look to IGN for help. Matt Cassamina's wife works for Nintendo so I'm sure he's on a short leash.

Bass_X0

#70

Bass_X0 said:

"That means if they get more than 1 this week then they will have finally bypassed us."
We won't get any - its WiiWare week. Next week we should pass America. Personalyl, I am kinda hoping for more catch-up weeks, I want both America and Europe to eventually get identical games. As for Fatal Fury 2 - its sole reason for being on the Virtual Console is that its available. As for it being the sole game, God knows. Thats really terrible. I'm going to guess that America will get King of the Monsters next week. Hopefully not alone.

Rexy

#71

Rexy said:

@Mike:

"A lot of these games that we call crap, that you refer to as a 'good game', weren't very popular back on their original releases. And why weren't they very popular? Because the majority of people considered them to be CRAP. "

A lot of that quote actually was retarded. I know they were angry at that, but they're rejecting the fact that people only got into games because they were popular, and that has always been the case. I'm assuming he's one of many that didn't get Earthbound either - a great example of a great game that didn't get popular enough on release, and yet is one of the most requested games for the VC right about now.

So, to the guy who wants to share frustrations against peoples' more positive opinions about the so-called "underdogs", we have rights to opinions, and being told not to appreciate the underpriviledged isn't a wise move now, isn't it?

Rapadash6

#72

Rapadash6 said:

To be clear, I personally don't have a problem with the quality of the games being released, even though they are not really in my tastes. It's really the lack of variety in the releases lately that's the real problem in North America and that's something we should all be complaining about, whether we like the games they're releasing or not.

Stratos

#75

Stratos said:

@Firebrand
do you think Matt's wife is the reason we don't really get the bitting articles like they used to write about storage solutions and voice chat? And also equally the reason why we don't get as many responses as we used to from Nintendo? They used to be a lot more forceful at challenging Nintendo than they are now.

Lugia2

#76

Lugia2 said:

Dear god. I can't believe there's practically two sides to this.

First: Too few games coming out. Have you guys seen the ESRB list? There's quite a few that should still be coming out, such as Shining Force 2 (which will be released next month in Japan) and Earthbound. Not that I think a no-earthbound week is crap like all the EB/some Ninty fanboys, but the fact that it's much larger than America's average vc week is incomprehensible. NOE understands this; that's why they finally closed the gap and, I expect, will surpass it next week. Unless we're just getting tied together and that's why America has slowed down while Europe sped up (Japan still has more games and some better, but there's still catch up; they got Mario 3 way later than either of us did)

My problem is the LACK of good games. Screw "More nintendo games!" Earthbound is not the only game to ever exist! The problem is that many others are available elsewhere. If you have a PS2, then Fatal Fury 2 is on at least one collection- which will probably come to the Wii at this rate. More importantly, you can actually get it and many other Neo Geo games on your computer through GameTap for $10 a month or $60 a year, both of which much cheaper than VC.

So what I want is stuff that hasn't been released elsewhere. Castlevania Rondo of Blood was on PSP, but the portable is not nearly as common as computers or PS2s; according to the purists the port has problems anyway. We already have at least three versions of Mario 3, a GBA release of Yoshi's Island, and at least one GC disc with Majora's Mask on it. But where's Kiko 7, a weird Neo Geo game that is considered excellent? What happened to Crystalis, a good Zelda clone on the NES (I might be wrong about zelda)? Why no love for the Wily Wars, a Genesis game that was on Sega Channel? Parodius, a J/Euro series that actually brings something to the shooter genre? And, yes, Earthbound- why isn't that out by now, let alone Mother (they can finally make money on that!) or, yes, Super Bomber Man 5, perhas the best Bomber Man, and one that is J only?

What's with you Nintendo? And some of your fans for that matter?

deadly_by_design

#77

deadly_by_design said:

I'll gladly take the stream of NeoGeo titles, since I never owned the system. I also don't have a NeoGeo emulator, so there's a better chance of me actually finding a good game I haven't played.

Not every VC purchase of mine is one I've already played & loved. I see the VC as a chance for me to get some obscure games I may have missed before. (especially on non-nintendo systems)

WarioFan63

#78

WarioFan63 said:

Theres no such thing as bad VC/Wiiware weeks. Just impatient people who are hard to please.

AlexSays

#79

AlexSays said:

@ WarioFan63- So you're happy with 1 VC game a week?
If you are, you're either the most patient man alive, or delusional.

7th_lutz

#80

7th_lutz said:

@ 57. Phantom93

Neo Geo was not a well balanced system in different genre's. That is why 8 out 13 Neo geo vc games are some type of a fighting game..

Neo Geo was a game console based on Snk's arcade hardware. It was used to port Snk arcade games as a result and gave games the ultimate arcade experience on a home game console. It's games were the signs of the times in arcades.

Arcade game genre's back in the early to mid 90's were mostly fighting games, shooters and some sports games. I played in the arcades back in the late 80's to late 90's. The arcade genre fighting games was actually two different types of fighting games.

The fighting games were seperated in two groups. One one them was called beat'em ups. They were side scrolling fighting games with bosses at the end of each level. That was hitting the arcades for years. One of the first was Kung Fu Master. It took Renegade or Double Dragon to make them very popular. They died in the arcades around 1993 or 1994. The other type of fighting games was tournament style fighting games. That style of Fighting games became popular after Street Fighter 2. Their orginals came from the mid 80's from games like Karate Champ, but it took Street Fighter 2 to make them very popular.

Some arcade companies also made puzzle, action, hack & slash arcade games. Snk didn't go much in those genres in the arcade,

In North America, 52 of 89 Neo Geo games released on Cartridge were fighting games. The 2nd highest was 16 sports games. The 3rd highest was 15 Shooters.

You have to get used to it as result. There are some other Non fighting games as imports or Neo Geo CD games.

firebrand

#81

firebrand said:

@Stratos

"do you think Matt's wife is the reason we don't really get the bitting articles like they used to write about storage solutions and voice chat? And also equally the reason why we don't get as many responses as we used to from Nintendo? They used to be a lot more forceful at challenging Nintendo than they are now."

Yes and yes. I believe Matt has allowed his personal life to cross into his professional life.

Adamant

#82

Adamant said:

People need to realize that the Neo Geo is arcade hardware, and the games are direct arcade conversions. Nearly all the Neo Geo home console games are thus games originally designed to be played in the arcade, which means the games are all straight-to-the point action games, usually fighters or shmups, since those were the genres popular in arcades at the time. You won't see many platformers or puzzlers (and those you do see will have a much much higher difficulty level than you're used to, being arcade games and thus needing to rake in quarters), and no such slow, complex stuff like RPGs, sims, adventure games and deep sports games.

Lugia2

#83

Lugia2 said:

@ WarioFan63: I wouldn't call this impatience of the masses, I'd call this sheer incompetence. Yes, we got River City Ransom eventually, but one game weeks were almost unheard of too you know. Now it's almost expected...

Bass_X0

#85

Bass_X0 said:

I wonder if we'll get the same kind of comments if Mark of the Wolves was the only game released in a single week.

Adroitone

#86

Adroitone said:

@ Bass X0, yeap, because it's not Nintendo. One of the greatest fighters in the world will be complete crap because it doesn't have Nintendo's name on it.

Also, Fatal Fury 1-2 Special aren't the best fighters in the world, but starting at Fatal Fury 3, that's when the series got better than any Street Fighter.

Also, Fatal Fury 2 is not on the collection, Neo Geo had way more than 16 games people, and like Adamant said, Neo Geo AES is really an arcade unit transformed into a home unit. Fighters dominate (in which is why it's considered the greatest fighting game console of all time) with shooters right behind it. If you don't like the genres, then that's fine, but I don't see how many can play SSBB but not care about getting a much deeper experience with traditional fighters.

7th_lutz

#87

7th_lutz said:

Fatal Fury 2 is in a collection. It is called Fatal Fury: Battle Archives Vol. 1. It is for the Ps2 and I own.

PoisonRamune

#88

PoisonRamune said:

There's been a couple things that have gotten me angry in these last few weeks.

  • The first was plugging that leak, since I honestly believe that the leak was helping virtual console and WiiWare sales. If I heard over the weekend that there was a desirable game coming out Monday, I would damn well make sure I bought some points. Now, I could care less, since my attitude is "if there's a game I like, I'll get the points for it eventually..." and the last 4 times i said that, eventually has yet to come.
  • I'm also let down by the lasting appeal of many Wiiware games and the amount of Wiiware fare that has equivalents already offered in other facets on the Wii (ie that ping-pong game to Wii Play's Ping Pong).
  • Finally, the current release schedule is baffling... While, I thought we were reaching a high when we got Double Dragon and River City Ransom (while DD is not a great game they are true classics), we were to be ultimately slapped in the nuts by an anti-climatic release of Dig-Dug (costing a dollar more and treated like an import game, despite every good 80's kid knowing this game)...

From here on out I'm calling Nintendo, "Nin-Emo" since it seems to just love cutting away at itself.

Jolted85

#89

Jolted85 said:

Fatal Fury 2 is good, let's hope we receive Special in the near future.

I got some points so I'll be downloading this later tonight once I free up some space from my other Neo Geo games on my Wii :)

7th_lutz

#90

7th_lutz said:

@PoisonRamune

Being a well known game doesn't mean it was released on the Nes in North America. Dig Dug was an arcade game released in North America. It was on early 1980's game consoles matter of fact.

Dig Dug was not released in North America for the Nes. It was a japan only game back in the day. You have to blame 1980's Nintendo of America management for that, not today's NOA..

Dig Dug 2: Trouble for Paradise was released in North America for the Nes, not Dig Dug.

Virus

#91

Virus said:

For once in a long time, I'm going to side with the angry crowd. Yes, some people are going to enjoy this week's offering (note, no "s"), but I and many others aren't. Frankly, the VC is being overrun with fighters like it was being overrun with shmups last year, and while fighter fans are in a state of euphoria, almost everybody else is dying from this overdose.

And one game just doesn't cut it. I don't even care if that game is the best freaking game in the world. Supply at least two games so people have two chances at finding a game they like. If the one game/two game pattern is now concrete for the VC, I'll be upset, to say the least. C'mon Nintendo, give us at least two games, or five every other week.

And finally, although it would be awesome to get a message to Nintendo, I don't think we could. How do we stop the world from downloading? We can't. How can we get past an automated response? We can't. Our power is small and that makes me sad considering something needs to be done.

Sharecrow

#92

Sharecrow said:

Am not personally interested in this one, but at least it is (so I hear) a quality game. I hope those that were looking forward to it enjoy it ;)

Adamant

#93

Adamant said:

Overrun? There's not that many fighters on the VC, and apart from us getting Samurai Shodown a short time ago, we haven't really been getting many recently either.

timp29

#94

timp29 said:

wow... this is an all american flame fest. But alot of you have a point. Nintendo certainly aren't focussing on the absolute gems.... theyre just spamming stuff out there to make a couple of quid. What can i say people... guess we might have to go play outside like the good old days LOL.

firebrand

#95

firebrand said:

Everyone stop picking on the Neo Geo. It's a classic console and deserves some respect. The problem isn't the games being released, it's the lack of games being released. We should be up to four releases a week with all the consoles they've added this past year.

PoisonRamune

#97

PoisonRamune said:

I know Dig-Dug was never released in the USA (since I only played it on my cousin's Family Computer), but it just feels like I'm trying to be sold "magic beans" here... Like something that's somewhat run of the mill and familiar, being sold at a higher rate because the vendor says it's special.

firebrand

#98

firebrand said:

"Seriously, how many 2D fighting games need to be released on the VC?"

As many as can be released.

Andrew

#99

Andrew said:

I'm tired of begging Nintendo for Majora's Mask every week.........................................................................
Give me Yoshi's Island!!!!!!

Adroitone

#100

Adroitone said:

@firebrand, good answer.

Many people thing Street Fighter is the only series worth getting. If those you like Street Fighter will break out of the norm, they will see that Neo Geo was the king of 2D fighters. Last Blade, Samurai Shodown, Matrimelee, Fatal Fury 3-up, King of Fighters, Rage of the Dragon, Kizuna Encounter, all games I consider better than the Street Fighter series.

Objection

#101

Objection said:

Its crappy weeks like this (and here crappy means only 1 okay game i'm not interested in, not crappy game in general) that have resulted in me only downloading 2(count em thats one more than one and one less than three) VC games total in the last 20 months.

fordianslip

#102

fordianslip said:

This week's NUMBER of releases makes me really want to ....

Not that I will, but , at least then I'd get what I wanted out of my 250 dollar investment.

Eltigro

#104

Eltigro said:

@Andrew: I don't want any of those either. But then, I don't like fighting games, so I wouldn't get Street Fighter either.

As far as I'm concerned, money is tight and I can't buy points like I would like. Currently, there are a lot of games that I want on VC, but can't buy. Every week that nothing "good" comes out just means that they didn't add anything to my list of things to get. And that's a good thing.

Mike1

#105

Mike1 said:

71. Rexy 30 Jun 2008, 21:07 GMT
@Mike:
"A lot of these games that we call crap, that you refer to as a 'good game', weren't very popular back on their original releases. And why weren't they very popular? Because the majority of people considered them to be CRAP. "
A lot of that quote actually was retarded. I know they were angry at that, but they're rejecting the fact that people only got into games because they were popular, and that has always been the case. I'm assuming he's one of many that didn't get Earthbound either - a great example of a great game that didn't get popular enough on release, and yet is one of the most requested games for the VC right about now.
So, to the guy who wants to share frustrations against peoples' more positive opinions about the so-called "underdogs", we have rights to opinions, and being told not to appreciate the underpriviledged isn't a wise move now, isn't it?

Maybe you think that that comment I posted from Gamefaqs is retarded, but a lot of other people agree with it. Besides, you live in Europe where lately you guys have been getting a ton of games.

Mike1

#106

Mike1 said:

@88. PoisonRamune

I agree with everything you said. I don't know why Nintendo had to shut up the leak. What's the big secret? Does Nintendo actually think that will help VC sales. Nintendo probably hired a bunch of detectives in order to find the leaker, so that what their garbage releases are kept secret until Monday.

Andrew

#107

Andrew said:

Nintendo's weekly release schedule for every month:

Week 1- obscure platformer (either NES or Turbografx)
Week 2- random shoot 'em up game
Week 3- some ninja game
Week 4- any Neo Geo fighter

Repeat

Cally

#108

Cally said:

@Mike

Someone pointed out, the scheme is pretty clear, between the prepaid points and spontaneous releases. If you had, say, the whole schedule for the year, you would wait for certain dates, buy a certain number of points for the stuff you want (by experience, curiosity, or research, as there are no secrets as to what these games are like). As it is, you wake up Monday with some amount of points sitting idly on your machine,more tempted to download something out of frustration and maybe just get caught up in the euphoria of the whole VC ritual. (If you do, I hope you're made of money)

But Mike is right in saying that if people stop buying into that and truly wait for what they're waiting for (again, there are no secrets left about these old games that a VC release ought to change your mind about them, and you can't try it without buying it unlike XBLA, suspiciously enough) Nintendo would knock it off and put out based on what most people want, when they want it. I mean, I've enjoyed some obscure games and imports, and my most-wanted title right now is Ys Book I and II. It's probably not most popular to the majority, but if I didn't get what I personally wanted then I'd much rather that the majority did than some victim of "Donkey Kong Jr. Math" for heaven's sake. So "crap week" to me is this: not especially a bad game, or something that I personally didn't want, but they sure could have released something that more people wanted (if not just me). And fans speak up enough that Nintendo could hear if they paid attention (to places like this).

Viral

#109

Viral said:

If you're waiting for Majora's Mask people, buy the Zelda Collector's Edition like I got for FREE from Nintendo for REGISTERING my games when I had the Gamecube originally. The only thing I can say about your release in America is that at least you got one game. The world would've ended if you got none.

ZueriHB

#110

ZueriHB said:

Now you NTSC-People know hat it is.
It's not what Nintendo promised, but better than 0 VC-Games Weeks we had bevore (and no WiiWare too).

So, wait and see. But maybe complaing will help, it sure did for NoE.

Viral

#111

Viral said:

....Still waiting on Zombies Ate My Neighbors personally....but will was right about one thing....where did Sadness go for the Wii?

Virus

#112

Virus said:

@Cally

I like your point that Nintendo should make an effort to release games that the majority wants, but I would rather have "quantity over quality" almost. Sure, if we get three crappy games in one week, that sucks, but at least we know three crappy games are not going to show up again on the New Releases. Better games also have better chances of showing up. And it's better than getting one crappy game in one week (not saying Fatal Fury 2 is crappy).

I know my suggestion is entirely unrelated to your argument with Mike, but I would like to say I wouldn't mind seeing your suggestion either.

Bass_X0

#114

Bass_X0 said:

Just a thought but America only really has Europe beat on the Super Nintendo in terms of region exclusive quality games. And although America has more unique NES games than Europe, many of them are poor with the real battle being between Megaman 1 & 2 and Ninja Gaiden 2 & 3. On all the other supported consoles, Europe has better unique games or has identical games.

DEMON212

#115

DEMON212 said:

The more comments I read, the more I laugh. All I can say is, long may these releases continue. Because NA truly does deserve it.

Because I think the way that you're acting, is like 8 year old spoilt brats.

You've always gotten what you want, when you wanted it, and now you're not. So now you act like this.

You all complaon that we're getting 5 games, but why? None of them have been Nintendo games, so would anyone have actually bought them?

You complain about the C64, but you also complain that more consoles reduce releases, so again, why do you want it?

You're in chaos. You're arguments have no real direction or meaning. And the only thing you all seem to agree on, is that you're pissed because we PAL gamers are finally getting something good.

Bass_X0

#116

Bass_X0 said:

Take last week's EU games. I can imagine what sort of comments we'd see if those same five games had been released in America: Yet another shooter, a lame puzzler, a lame scrolling fighter thats probably on a collection and two commodore 64 games that nobody would really care about. And after a WiiWare only week.

Rawk_Hawk

#117

Rawk_Hawk said:

I am worried that with the slowdown of VC games the guys here at VC reviews won't have as much to write about. Come on Nintendo release more games and do it for the guys at VC reviews.

I may have to download Fatal Fury 2 because I have always wanted to fight in front of Mt. Rushmore. Now I can live that dream:)

Mike1

#118

Mike1 said:

115. DEMON212 01 Jul 2008, 13:08 GMT
"The more comments I read, the more I laugh. All I can say is, long may these releases continue. Because NA truly does deserve it. Because I think the way that you're acting, is like 8 year old spoilt brats. You've always gotten what you want, when you wanted it, and now you're not. So now you act like this. You all complaon that we're getting 5 games, but why? None of them have been Nintendo games, so would anyone have actually bought them?
You complain about the C64, but you also complain that more consoles reduce releases, so again, why do you want it? You're in chaos. You're arguments have no real direction or meaning. And the only thing you all seem to agree on, is that you're pissed because we PAL gamers are finally getting something good."

Sure, you may laugh now, but when Europe gets no games this week, I'll laugh at all the crybaby's from Europe complaining that it isn't fair they didn't get any VC games.

Rexy

#119

Rexy said:

We won't cry now because we now know what's going to happen. And we're going to accept that, unlike most people around the gaming world.

And concerning Majora's Mask, apparently that had some emulation issues on the Zelda Collector's Edition from what I've read through past conversations - that's why there's more pressure for that to be put on the VC if there's a way to get Expansion Pak emulation through.

Kultist

#120

Kultist said:

And I thought I was the only one who remembered Crystalis (which Lugia2 mentionned). There are lots of great "underdog" games like Crystalis that could be released and that would make a lot of us happy. While I understand I can't be happy with everything released on VC (never had most of the systems on VC, so no nostalgia factor), a little variation in the genres released would certainly not hurt. How many mores bmups/shmups/fighters do we really need? A few RPGs and some sim games would be welcome, and it need not be Square games. I'd be perfectly happy with Faxanadu (come on Hudson!)

Andrew

#121

Andrew said:

Rexy is right about Majora's Mask on the Collector's Edition. I played the game on N64 for years, and the Gamecube's emulation butchered it. The sound isn't up to par, and the their is slowdown that wasn't in the original N64 cart.

firebrand

#122

firebrand said:

@DEMON212

"You've always gotten what you want, when you wanted it, and now you're not. So now you act like this."

When did we ever get what we wanted, when we wanted it?

Rexy

#124

Rexy said:

Anything that's got a Nintendo branding by its name. Hence, why we took Alex Kidd in a lot better than you did.

Mike1

#125

Mike1 said:

I don't know why people say that Majora's Mask on the Collector's Edition is so bad. I do notice there are some sound skips, but the game has much cleaner visuals. People say the game crashes to them all the time, but I've beaten the game on the Collector's Edition disk 3 times and I think it maybe crashed only once. Hey, that's not bad at all since the disk was free to begin with.

Andrew

#126

Andrew said:

Majora's Mask on Collector's Edition may not be as blurry as the N64 original, but the framerate does drop, especially in Clock Town. All issues aside, it was a nice inclusion to the Collector's Edition, but I just really want it on VC. I want it mainly because it's the last available console Zelda not on the service (excluding CD-i).

firebrand

#127

firebrand said:

@Rexy

"Anything that's got a Nintendo branding by its name. Hence, why we took Alex Kidd in a lot better than you did."

That doesn't describe me at all. I already own those Nintendo branded games. I don't want them. I want TurboGrafx CD games, Genesis games, and 3rd party NES games. And I never bashed Alex Kidd or Fatal Fury 2.

What do we want? We want Nintendo to release more games, not less! Why is that so hard to understand?

Rawk_Hawk

#128

Rawk_Hawk said:

NOA got us so used to the 3 games a week, we all figured it would be a matter of time before the games we want would be released. That changed this year, now most Americans who love retro games don't have a clue how long it will be before we see some of our beloved classics again. Its not like NOA is doing this for free or something

brooks83

#129

brooks83 said:

@ Rexy:

You guys took Alex Kidd in better than NA because the Master System was huge over there. Most people in NA don't even know what the Master System is.

Rexy

#130

Rexy said:

@brooks: That's the problem, and that's almost the same reason why the Turbographx and Neo-Geo titles similarly get the same kind of treatment out there. It's something that I've been witnessing here stealthily over the past few months or so, and can be seen as degradingly upsetting.

@firebrand: You're a rare breed - how surprising :D
I have perfect understanding that you guys want more games, hence my first post in the entire thread referring to the urky pattern. But this is going to be the weird cycle - as stated earlier on, there's been a general belief that if the game is not a first/second party Nintendo game, then it ultimately gets disregarded by the American gaming audience. And now it seems as if that kind of thing is getting into NoA's heads and they seem to want to offer the other titles in lower quantities and up the Wiiware ante for some reason. Can't anyone be greatful enough that they've got stuff to play on at least?

firebrand

#131

firebrand said:

@Rexy

"there's been a general belief that if the game is not a first/second party Nintendo game, then it ultimately gets disregarded by the American gaming audience."

I can see how you've gotten this impression. Yes, Nintendo and Square games are great, but so are a lot of other games. I never pick on a good game when it gets released even if it's one I'm not interested in purchasing. Why? Because I know someone else out there wants that game.

"And now it seems as if that kind of thing is getting into NoA's heads and they seem to want to offer the other titles in lower quantities and up the Wiiware ante for some reason."

We can't know what's in NOA's head. They don't talk to the community anymore. They've had a change in attitude ever since Reggie took over. They have yet to sell me on WiiWare. The only game I'm interested in from that service is MegaMan 9.

"Can't anyone be greatful enough that they've got stuff to play on at least?"

I'd be grateful if they'd release something I actually wanted to play. I haven't downloaded anything since Double Dragon.

Kreegs07

#132

Kreegs07 said:

Can't we argue about something a little more important? If the games I want don't appear on release day, I am somehow able to save my points and wait until next week. Call me amazing... I do wish some quality material would appear soon though.

MaxPlastic

#133

MaxPlastic said:

@Cally

Yeah, the load times kinda suck... And on the more graphically complex games there can be some slowdown, but $30 for 16 games is still better than 16 games at $9 a pop
I guess it also depends on how big a NEO*GEO fan you are

Bass_X0

#134

Bass_X0 said:

Yes, MP. But there's also a fair number of games on that disc that I would play for about ten minutes then never touch again. Of course, there may be some gems on there that I have yet to play but whatever. By the time the disc comes out here, I'll have already had my fill of King of Fighters '94 and Samurai Shodown from the Virtual Console which is pretty much only what I want from that collection.

Andrew

#135

Andrew said:

I'm not trying to speak for anyone else, but I don't see what's wrong with wanting first party Nintendo games on the Virtual Console. As a matter of fact, that's one of the main reasons I bought a Wii. When the VC was first announced, I imagined having a system that could house all of my Zelda's, Mario's, and Metroid's, not Silent Debuggers for the Turbografx. However, I don't care for the perception that us Americans scoff at anything that is third party; on the contrary, I welcome a third party addition, assuming it is a quality title. But I do feel that Nintendo has been too stingy with their own releases as of late. I don't know about anyone else, but the last Nintendo-released VC title I was excited for was Super Mario Bros. 3. It was released last November. As in 8 MONTHS ago.

Rexy

#136

Rexy said:

I do see what you mean - just for the record, I was in for the Wii because it was the only next-gen console that even had anything remotely interesting for me as a gamer (and I've been with PlayStations in the past few years). I'm not at all saying that there is nothing wrong with first party Nintendo games, far from it - just somehow getting the idea of them being the only games that people want.

Adamant

#137

Adamant said:

@Kultist: "And I thought I was the only one who remembered Crystalis (which Lugia2 mentionned). There are lots of great "underdog" games like Crystalis that could be released and that would make a lot of us happy. "

Haha, no. It would make a couple of you happy, and the vast majority of you pissy because it wasn't Earthbound/Mario RPG/some game they had heard of before.

Happens every time - people complain about the games that were released and bring up some other games that could've been released instead, but the fact is, unless that game was some big name title, the exact same thing would've happened, just with some other crowd complaining instead.

Crystalis is cool and all, but I bet my ass more people would've taken Alex Kidd in Miracle World over it. Crystalis is obscure, and you people proce time and again that obscure games equal horrible games. Thus, had Crystalis been released, we'd still get the same amount of whining, denouncing of Nintendo, and declarations of Wii boycotts and sales.

Oh, and you ARE getting "underdog games like Crystalis". Stop pretending you're not becuase you haven't heard of those particular games.

DEMON212

#139

DEMON212 said:

Well at least some NA-ers have common sence. Bashing the releases was something I found out to be a stupid idea a long time ago, as we all want different games. And unless you're going to complain to Ninty directly, all you're doing is flooding this place with hundreds of whinge posts.

Which A. Doesn't help your cause and B. Puts people off this place. I know many forums goers whom never come here anymore because of what it's become. And the last big Ninty game I bought was PPL, released about 6 weeks ago.

It's quite nice to know though, that I'm not the only one who's had my thoughts about why we're getting better releases. Because unless the game is SMRPG, it does seem that there'll be hordes of complaints. No matter how good the game is. Take Bio Miracle Bokutte Upa as a perfect example.

@Adamant.

You'd think that if they'd never heard of a game, it'd be proving how much of an underdog it really was.

Fiop

#140

Fiop said:

There are some good points here about the number of NA VC releases per week. I think people who don't like should consider writing to Nintendo of America and asking for more releases per week. While there's a good chance such an e-mail would be ignored, there's still a chance that they'd look at it and respond.

fordianslip

#141

fordianslip said:

My issue is I haven't turned my Wii on since April. I haven't bought a VC game since last October. So, I really don't have anything to play on. I've been playing Battle Network for two weeks and the Phoenix Wright series before that,

For Nintendo to miss me completely? As a semi-loyal gamer, I feel peturbed. I mean, I can ask for one VC title I want to download every three months, that's a semi-fair assessment, no?

@firebrand - Mega Man 9?! Serious? Wasn't that MegaMan & Bass for the GBA? Or is it a new version?

Adamant

#142

Adamant said:

Megaman & Bass was Megaman & Bass, not Megaman 9. If it was Megaman 9, they'd have named it Megaman 9.

firebrand

#143

firebrand said:

@fordianslip

MegaMan & Bass was released for the Super Famicom in Japan after MegaMan 7. It takes place place before MegaMan 8. Don't ask me why they didn't give that game a number.

brooks83

#145

brooks83 said:

Fordian - Yeah that's pushing it. Sure we have been getting less games on a weekly basis since October, but we have gotten several quality titles in that time period.

will1

#146

will1 said:

(Whine..) You win man, The Wii is the best system ever. This thing does everything... Hd quality graphix, Built in hard drive, DVDplayer, Music player, Easy Online play and voicechat, T.V. downloads, an awesome classic arcade library, not to mention All the great games coming out this year like RE5, SilentHill5, GearsOfWar2, NinjaGaiden2, CODModernWarfare, Fable2.... Oh! wait thats XBOX360.
Ha! Nintendo resold me a GC but w/ motion controls AGGH!!!!
Why did they changed the name... it was too obvious...
Revolution= a. movement in or as if in a circle
b. one complete turn in a circle
Okay Adament I am fully ready for Flameage. =)

Andrew

#148

Andrew said:

@will: Ha ha ha ha ha!!! That Xbox 360 joke was hilarious and in no way forced!
(end sarcasm)

Seriously though, I don't have any problem with the Xbox 360. I think it's a great system, so you won't get any fanboy rants from this guy.

TheDudeAbides

#149

TheDudeAbides said:

It is sad to see the games that we love being held back here in the US. Obviously in my perfect world I would have the Mega Man series, Super Mario RPG, Crono Trigger, etc. in my library. When I bought my Wii I expected those games to be readily available. They aren't, and I got over it. Plus I have my 360....

Virus

#150

Virus said:

Hmmm... I find a few of these comments quite insulting. Still, I might just save my retorts for next week. It seems our "whining" is driving our faithful forum people from contributing. God forbid they not look at these comments...

Well, here's to an offering of VC games that will please everyone next week. And for the Europeans and Australians, here's to a huge supply of WiiWare games this Friday.

Cally

#151

Cally said:

@will

I own all three systems, and both the 360 and the Wii's true heavy-hitters are behind us at the moment. I'm sure that won't last long, though, especially for the Wii. The games division at Microsoft is so far in the hole (RROD=billions lost) who knows what Microsoft will do, though if they euthanize another console their credibility is toast for good. I'm actually partial to my PS3.

The Wii is the only console that actually makes a profit from the unit itself (the costs of manufacturing a PS3 or a 360 is greater than the shelf price). Super Mario Galaxy is enough to make me glad I bought the thing, but I really hope something manages to motivate Nintendo to keep it up.

Ricardo91

#152

Ricardo91 said:

@Lugia2 and Adamant

I know about Crystalis. It was rereleased for the Game Boy Color back in 2000, with a few minor changes. I remember that from one of my old pocket games issues. They said it wasn't that great though compared to other games (*cough* Zelda *cough*), which is probably why it's so obscure. If you guys want it so badly, why don't you just get that version off Amazon or something?

AlphaNerd01

#153

AlphaNerd01 said:

How the hell did a comment wall on a website dedicated to the Virtual Console service turn into a fanboy debate? Jeez, I go to this site to avoid that nonsense.

Ricardo91

#154

Ricardo91 said:

I'm with you, Alphanerd. I'm sure if we get another crappy week next week (and we probably will) the fight will continue. I feel a bit of Nerd Overload already after reading some of the comments and making that crystalis comment. I'm just sitting back and watching the sparks fly. =)

brooks83

#155

brooks83 said:

Crystalis is one of the best games ever, I've wanted it since the VC was first announced. And now that SNK is on board, maybe it won't be too much longer :)

DEMON212

#156

DEMON212 said:

@Virus.

Unless NA gets 200+ VC games next week you lot will still whinge like lil brats. Hell, if one of those 200 isn't SMRPG... "We got Banjo, PD, Conker, Pokemon Blue & Red for the new 200 point GB range, etc... BUT THIS RELEASE SUCKS BECAUSE OF NO SMRPG! I HAVEN'T BOUGHT A VC GAME SINCE NOVEMBER 1982!".

@Will.

Own all 3, 360's the worst because of this one major flaw, the great games it has, need a working console in order to play them. And as I'm on #6, I find that to be a HUGE flaw. Wii & PS3 have yet to break.

Kultist

#157

Kultist said:

I've never whined at any VC release, but I am still disapointed more often than not. I understand that a game I don't know might be someone else's childhood gem. Thing is, and let's be honest, the VC appealed to a lot of people because it opened the Nintendo legacy content. I'm pretty sure most of us did not even think there would be Neo Geo or C64 games on it at one point. When I heard of VC on Wii I thought NES, SNES and N64 games.
Now, what I see is Nintendo sitting on a gold mine not doing much about it.
NES : 72 games (27 4+ stars)
SNES : 32 games (28 4+ stars)
N64 : 14 games (11 4+ stars)
Genesis : 50 games (25 4+ stars)
TG16 : 49 games (25 4+ stars)
Neo Geo : 13 games (8 4+ stars)
Except for NES, Nintendo's own library is a bit lacking. But even with 72 games on NES, we only have 27 4+ stars.
On the other hand, SNK and Hudson seem to have understood the potential of VC.

Andrew

#158

Andrew said:

@Demon212: C'mon, I think that's taking it a little far. There are some stubborn people here that will scoff at anything that's not Mario RPG, but that doesn't truthfully represent all the rest of us.

You've really been through six 360's? You, my friend, are cursed!

Rawk_Hawk

#159

Rawk_Hawk said:

Did Microsoft replace 5 360 consoles? Wow they are generous
My wii has major problems reading Gamecube discs, but I never got a replacement.

DEMON212

#160

DEMON212 said:

@Kult.

But by whose ratings? I personally dissagree with a lot of VCR ratings. I have all 14 GEO games and wouldn't give any less than a 3. A 1 Star game to some are 4 star games to others. Take 2 star Gaiden III for example, I'd probably 5 it as it's my favourite one.

@Andrew.

Yeah, I'm being unfair to some by using a generalisation, because not all NA-ers are like that. It just seems that most are however. Which is a shame for the games' sake. Because a lot of greats are going unplayed.

@Tony. Nope, we used the store warranty for most of them, but we had to pay £60 ($120) for the last one to goto MS.

Kultist

#161

Kultist said:

@DEMON : The ratings are taken from here and I was simply giving them to give an idea of the proportion of "good vs. crap". Of course, and like you said, ratings are a very personal matter. It just means that while, for example, NES has 72 games in US, only 27 are 4+ stars, and if we get into personal likings, this figure might drop to around 10-15 games really worth having for anybody, the games that make everybody go "I'm usualy not into [insert game genre], but this one is great"

firebrand

#162

firebrand said:

Some future posts and responses:

POST
"Oh no! Nintendo cut the number of Virtual Console releases in half from what we got last year."

RESPONSE
"Quite your complaining. Be glad Nintendo is giving you anything at all."

POST
"Oh no! Nintendo has stopped releasing games on the Virtual Console altogether!"

RESPONSE
"Quite your complaining. Be thankful Nintendo released the games that they did."

POST
"Oh no! I downloaded an update for my Wii console and for some reason I can't play my Virtual Console games anymore."

RESPONSE
"Quit you complaining. Be thankful Nintendo allowed you to play those games for as long they did. Spoiled brat!"

will1

#163

will1 said:

@DEMON212: "Own all 3...

I have def. heard of the breakage issue w/ 360's and that sucks for U man... I have only Wii right now but has anyone had the wii freeze to the point it needs to be unplugged just to unfreeze it??

@firebrand- Ha!! that is too funny cuz it's true every week... I bet Nintendo could even sell ice to eskimos if they wanted.

I love anything Nintendo does even before they do it.. I just get so excited!!! What's next Dino Riki?? (end sarcasim)

Mike1

#164

Mike1 said:

139. DEMON212 01 Jul 2008, 23:23 GMT
"Which A. Doesn't help your cause and B. Puts people off this place. I know many forums goers whom never come here anymore because of what it's become."

If people leave these boards because people complain then I say good riddence to them. These boards have more people on them than 6 months ago and if those people don't like complaining every week then they need to get a reality check. What do they think people do on message boards? They talk about video games, and yes, complaining is part of that.

On another note, I bet this topic has the most comments posted than almost any other topic.

Mike1

#165

Mike1 said:

156. DEMON212 02 Jul 2008, 13:15 GMT
@Virus.
Unless NA gets 200+ VC games next week you lot will still whinge like lil brats. Hell, if one of those 200 isn't SMRPG... "We got Banjo, PD, Conker, Pokemon Blue & Red for the new 200 point GB range, etc... BUT THIS RELEASE SUCKS BECAUSE OF NO SMRPG! I HAVEN'T BOUGHT A VC GAME SINCE NOVEMBER 1982!".

You make it seem like all of Americans are crybaby's, but when you guys get no VC games everybody from Europe will be crying that it's not fair!

Rexy

#168

Rexy said:

Mike, you're overexaggerating again. Like I said, we Europeans (and Australians) are not going to cry because we know what's going to happen. We have chosen to accept the routine, so please don't make it sound like we don't know what's going to happen.

DEMON212

#169

DEMON212 said:

@Mike

SMRPG post has over 200 replies. So it's getting there. But how many are worth reading? How many are repeated? (As in, how many are whiny whingy whingers complaining?)

Most of Europe won't complain with no VC, because they know the deal. VC>WW>VC>WW etc...

Kreegs07

#170

Kreegs07 said:

Some people are just so impatient. Don't fall under the Nintendo spell! They want us to waste points on crap games when the ones we want don't appear. You don't NEED to spend points every release day.

Andrew

#171

Andrew said:

Yeah, I'm not a big fan of generalization from either side of the pond. You have to expect that there will always be some people dissatisfied with a release, but that does not represent the people as a whole. Personally, when Europe gets a great update, I really feel happy for them, not resentful. I don't see why everything has to turn into a debate on which nation is more "spoiled".

Kreegs07

#172

Kreegs07 said:

@ Andrew
Thank you. Finally someone who's life isn't about being better or worse than those in europe. We all share one interest in VC.

firebrand

#173

firebrand said:

@Andrew

""Personally, when Europe gets a great update, I really feel happy for them, not resentful. I don't see why everything has to turn into a debate on which nation is more "spoiled".""

I think it's an illusion that Europe or even Japan has it better than us. Europe has a better release pattern than we do, but that could change at anytime.

Andrew

#174

Andrew said:

@firebrand: I don't think that any of us (North America, Europe, or Japan) have it any better than the rest. Despite a handful of select titles, the majority of the games released first in a particular region become available to everyone at some point.

I was just saying that I don't begrudge Europe or Japan if they happen to get first "dibs" on a great release. I hope that the majority of those in Europe and Japan would feel the same way if we get the same privilege. These discussions don't need to be turned into a regional competition.

sadpanda212

#175

sadpanda212 said:

This is a disgrace, I was promised BBC Micro titles, I haven't bought a game since Chessmaster 79. Speaking of which where are the chess games???

The Way I see it, you cannot please everybody, however there have been some cracking games released recently that are getting totally overlooked and slagged off because they aren't made by Nintendo. Hell the VC gives people the chance to play a lot of games they may have missed, I love the Neo Geo games, you could only ever play them in the arcades as a home console would set you back a small fortune and the games were over £100 each, to be able to get these games for less than £7 each to me is a bargin.

It seams to me that while EU gamers continue to buy more varied games then Nintendo will continue to release a greater quantity of games in that region. We know that these games have to be translated correctly and the correct version be ported over. Why would nintendo bother to do all this work twice if NA gamers won't buy it anyway.

For the same reason Wii Ware must be selling better in NA since they are releasing more of this in the region, either that or they don't want to hurt the strong VC sales in the EU and Austrailia.

Andrew

#176

Andrew said:

I refuse to buy a Wii-Ware title until there is some solution to the storage issue. I fear I may be waiting a long time =(

DEMON212

#177

DEMON212 said:

Then Andrew, you're missing out.

@Kreegs.

But that's just it. WE'RE not buying CRAP games because there's nothing out. WE'RE buying QUALITY games while we're waiting for even more quality games. The problem is, Crack Down, Metal Slug, Fatal Fury, Alex Kidd etc... aren't Nintendo. That doesn't mean that they're crap though. And I really wish people would just try them out rather than being the stereotypical Fanboys that they're acting like!

And I think it's quite evident that we don't all want the same thing. While we both want quality games, some of us have our minds more open than others as to what quality games are.

Andrew

#178

Andrew said:

What I'm missing is enough space. If only there was a way to run games from an SD card, then I wouldn't have to delete half of my games from the Wii Menu to play one single Wii-Ware title.

Also, I think the Wii-Ware library is pretty lacking. Besides a few standouts, there are too many games that look like they were cut from Wii Play. But that's a whole different conversation.

Cally

#179

Cally said:

. . .

Can someone please explain to me the reasoning behind saying "just try it" (for the games certain people don't want)? You have to BUY IT. You can't rent it, play a demo, or sell it if you don't like it.

Let's hear it, folks. That ridiculous phrase borders on crazy. Asking people to have an open mind is all fine and good, but treating them like that must entail an irreversible transaction--rather, apparently, lots of them--is such a stupid argument it isn't even funny.

firebrand

#180

firebrand said:

@Andrew

"I don't think that any of us (North America, Europe, or Japan) have it any better than the rest. Despite a handful of select titles, the majority of the games released first in a particular region become available to everyone at some point."

Sorry, I misunderstood. I agree with you.

firebrand

#181

firebrand said:

"But that's just it. WE'RE not buying CRAP games because there's nothing out. WE'RE buying QUALITY games while we're waiting for even more quality games. The problem is, Crack Down, Metal Slug, Fatal Fury, Alex Kidd etc... aren't Nintendo."

We haven't gotten Crack Down over here in North America yet. :(

Virus

#182

Virus said:

@Cally
Thank you for making that comment above. It needed to be said.

@DEMON212
Now to elaborate on Cally's comment with my own opinions. First, I see how you can be disgusted by some comments that have been posted on here. With that said, I'm going to stick up for the "fanboy attitude.” Like Cally said, trying games on the VC is not cheap. You actually do have to buy the games. It's no surprise then people are hesitant to buy well-reviewed but little-known games and instead go for the games they know a mass multitude of people have enjoyed.

Personally, money ain't coming from my pockets in waterfalls, so I have to research quite a bit before I make my purchases. I too, will also go for the popular games I used to like rather than the little-known ones because I want to be certain to get a game I'll like. Still, after seeing so many comments about Americans ignoring forgotten gems, I bit the bullet and bought the Alex Kidd on the SMS. To put it simply, I'm not enjoying it too much. Now, you can insult me and say I just don't have any taste in games, or you can accept maybe these forgotten "gems" do not appeal to everybody. Take your pick.

And just for the sake of removing an angry bone in my body, I'm going to say that while you may be annoyed by all this whining, I (if not many others) are getting sick of your condescending attitude towards anyone that has a complaint.

DEMON212

#183

DEMON212 said:

Oh, my apologies sire, please complain some more so that I can sleep well tonight.

Tell me how you stepped in a puddle recentally and ruined your favourite trainers.

Moan some more about that ***** at work who's taking all your sales.

Whinge some more about games and gaming in general. Complain about how gaming for 48 hours straight hurts your eyes. But wait, in order to do that you'd need some games to play, and no good games have ever been made.

Pfft, condesending, you think I've been condesending? I haven't even started to get to THAT point.

The only reason this has gone as far is 'cause my Mod powers aren't working again. Because I've been told before that full on whinge posts are perfectly fine to tag.

sadpanda212

#184

sadpanda212 said:

If I wanted to be condesending I might point out that moaning and whinging on a VC website about games is really going to make nintendo sit up and take note.

Try sending all this to nintendo instead of clogging up the site.

Cally

#185

Cally said:

@Demon212

. . . what?!

Condescending="I'm perfectly happy with everything and I need to teach everyone who isn't some kind of lesson."

Are the complainers really succeeding in raining on your parades? (I refer to all who whine at the complainers.)

That aside, I am still also interested in an answer to the specific question I asked (post 179).

Rexy

#186

Rexy said:

@Virus: That's fine to hear that you don't appreciate Alex Kidd. The fact remains that you've had a go at least, and that's more than what anyone in your side of the pond would do.

Looking at my VC library at the moment, only half of which were games that I have played before whether it be the original console or through emulation. I was similarly hesitant with the likes of Shining Force, Mystical Ninja and even Mega Man 2 among others, so what I ended up doing was watching people play the games on Youtube or a similar video site, checked out other users' opinions through the detailed reviews at GameFAQs, and even have a chat with a fellow gamer who's been active longer than me. It's no different than looking for a new Wii game.

Other peoples' methods may vary, but if you do your research right, then you might find yourself into a game that you so wished you played as a kid instead of those questionable movie/cartoon tie-ins and generic sports/board game titles your mother bought for you. :p

Andrew

#187

Andrew said:

So on a lighter note, does anyone have an idea as to what Europe will get Friday?

Cally

#188

Cally said:

"It's no different than looking for a new Wii game."

You can still sell a Wii game if you thought you might like it, but ended up absolutely hating it. A download mistake=vaporized money. I couldn't even donate the thing to someone who appreciates it more than me.

@ Rexy
"The fact remains that you've had a go at least, and that's more than what anyone in your side of the pond would do."

It's a good thing to be shamed into buying something?

DEMON212

#189

DEMON212 said:

But Cally, the loss you'll be taking on selling the Wii game is probably more than a VC game costs.

£3.50 for a rental is the same as a NES game. I sold a game recently where I took more than a £7 hit. £7 is an N64 game.

You can't try before you buy with the VC, but there's more than enough info on A LOT of these games to research them fully.

Hell, goto youtube and search for DEMON212, 689 subscribers can't be wrong :D

Oh, and as for raining on my parade, why should I care if you lot can't see that you're the reason that you're getting such lackluster releases, because I'm still enjoying our good releases all the same :)

Peace out y'all, see ya on Friday :)

Cally

#190

Cally said:

My question was mostly directed at: people should "try it" to be open-minded.

Ricardo91

#192

Ricardo91 said:

Good God! There's almost 200 comments on this page! And most of them are a paragraph or more long! I've been watching this fight unfold all day, and it is getting ridiculous. If you people insist on debating this, there's probably forums for that! Everyone should just wait till next week. Then another crappy game or 2 will be released, and you can all continue your fanboy bitching there! It must've taken me 2 minutes to reach the bottom of the page to post this comment!! This week was lousy, so just leave it at that!!

There. Maybe I can go on w/ my life now. Cheez man out.

Before I go, however, I feel as though I should state my side of the argument. There's a simple reason why people (and me, mostly) don't buy more obscure games: They don't know what the hell they are, or they don't want or care about them! If nintendo would offer free trials for their DL services, like XBLA and PSN do, maybe people WOULD "Try them out." This would be especially nice for wiiware, as no one had played those games before. After all, would I really want to spend 600 points to "try out" China Warrior? Hell no. But Instead of saying this in a comment page, I'd tell nintendo themselves. Now Cheez man out.

firebrand

#193

firebrand said:

"Good God! There's almost 200 comments on this page! And most of them are a paragraph or more long! I've been watching this fight unfold all day, and it is getting ridiculous. If you people insist on debating this, there's probably forums for that!"

Sorry, but this is the only website still dedicated to the Wii Virtual Console. There are other sites, but most of them stopped updating months ago. That's why people come here.

Mike1

#194

Mike1 said:

I wish WiiWare would take a week off just for one week in America (unless Mega Man 9 would come out). Then Nintendo could give us 3 or 4 games just like Europe. I kinda wish we had their schedule.

And to those people in Europe that are convinced of Nintendo's new release schedule of releasing 5 games every 2 weeks, beware Nintendo is very unpredictable and they could change it at any moment.

Cally

#195

Cally said:

I suppose I should fess-up to getting baited a couple of times there. A couple things I shouldn't have said.

Regardless, I hope we're still all basically having a good time. I mostly don't mind arguing at all (even heated ones) so long as personal attacks don't happen.

Cally

#196

Cally said:

Hudson's site says 3 TG-16 games will come out in July. Glad that's back on track.

firebrand

#197

firebrand said:

@Cally

"Hudson's site says 3 TG-16 games will come out in July. Glad that's back on track."

Yeah, but I don't think Ys 1&2 is one of them. I wonder if that game will ever get released.

Cally

#198

Cally said:

Right. With all the other stuff Hudson puts out, I'm sure they're being strategic about its release timing. 2007 was definitely "year of the shooter" so they probably responded to the market. I have no doubt that it will make it eventually, and the more Hudson throws out, the less chance of it getting put off.

I almost bought a Turbo Duo just for that until I heard of the VC. ;)

Virus

#199

Virus said:

Well, I guess I should make amends and finish this comment page with a cheerful one for myself. Thanks to all that participated in or endured this little tirade of mine. And Mr. Cheez, yes these arguments are probably for the forums, but hey, I have my reasons for not going on those. I'll try to keep my speeches to a bare two paragraphs next time. ;)

Like my post two times over, here's hoping to a favorable week of releases for all (or at least some less heated debate).

Ricardo91

#200

Ricardo91 said:

I have nothing to say, really, just that I hope we have better games to download in the future. I just wanted to hit that 200th comment! :)

Look! I got an avatar now!

sadpanda212

#201

sadpanda212 said:

This is the part I love, "I hope we have better games to download next week"

Considering the 2 this week are both in their own right pretty damned good I would expect it would take the entire nintendo back catalog to constitute a good week.

What winds people up is the statement "There are no good games to download" it's a pretty generalising comment and some people may consider it insulting as they like those games and what you are saying is that they have no taste or that their preferences don't count.

I think there'd be a lot less hostility if you said, "Shame, I don't want those"

The games themselves may not be to your taste but they sure as hell aint crap.

I've just got an image of a load of NA gamers writing to their congressman to inform him that Nintendo have AAA titles that are being held hostage by terrorists with WMD's and demanding the army go in and liberate them, bringing democracy to the VC and getting those games out there...

firebrand

#202

firebrand said:

@sadpanda212

"Considering the 2 this week are both in their own right pretty damned good I would expect it would take the entire nintendo back catalog to constitute a good week."

Two games weren't released this week. We only got one game. We've had a lot of single game releases recently and most of them have been either Neo Geo games or obscure NES imports. The Virtual Console's main purpose is to sell nostolgia and it hasn't been doing a very good job of it lately.

And believe it or not, I like SNK. The only problem is, I own a PS2. For eleven dollars and change, I was able to buy Fatal Fury Battle Archives vol. 1. This collection contains Fatal Fury, Fatal Fury 2, Fatal Fury Special, and Fatal Fury 3. That's a better value than paying 900 points for a single game. This is why I don't get excited over SNK releases. Very soon, SNK will be releasing similar collections on the Wii. I'm sorry, but they're a better value.

Rawk_Hawk

#203

Rawk_Hawk said:

My guess for next week is Super Fantasy Zone or Gley Lancer for the Genesis and King of Monster for the Neo Geo. My guess for Europe's next batch of games is Art of Fighting, Donkey Kong 3, and Shining Force 2. I am not going to guess what C64 games will be out.

nate

#204

nate said:

I no longer have to worry about vc games because jsut got fried a few days ago in a power surge from a thunder storm.

sadpanda212

#205

sadpanda212 said:

Sorry, I classed Magnetica as a game, but thats Wii Ware I suppose and not VC.

The sarcasm at the end from me was probably not called for but I hope you see my point, just becase you don't like it doesn't make it bad

brooks83

#206

brooks83 said:

Rexy - "That's fine to hear that you don't appreciate Alex Kidd. The fact remains that you've had a go at least, and that's more than what anyone in your side of the pond would do."

I have also downloaded it, as I'm sure a lot of Americans who visit this site have too. I don't quite understand why several of you Europeans are acting like game snobs and that you guys have better tastes in games than Americans. One of the main reasons I got a Wii was for the VC so that I could play games I never owned or never played at all. And I am sure there are several other American gamers that visit this site that feel the same as me. The thing is, I would be willing to bet that there are a lot more idiot casual gamers in America that are downloading only Mario games than there are in Europe.

sadpanda212

#207

sadpanda212 said:

@ Firebrand.

I dunno why but I can't get away with game compilations. I had a couple of Sega collections on the Playstation and hated loads of the games, Golden Axe II, Kid Chameleon and Vectorman were all on them. Yet I have them all on the VC and they are Emulated better.

I've got Metal Slug on the Wii collection and on the VC, The VC version is smoother and has better controls. I guess it's just a preference thing.

@ Brookes

I don't see myself as a snob, I'm saying that people are slagging these games off as crap when they haven't even played them, for a lot on here if they haven't heard of the game it's automatically poor. I hadn't heard of Final Soldier on the TG and it's one of my favourite games.

firebrand

#208

firebrand said:

@sadpanda212

"The sarcasm at the end from me was probably not called for but I hope you see my point, just becase you don't like it doesn't make it bad"

I don't think it's the releases that are bothering me so much as this one game a week policy. If Nintendo had released Metal Slug, Burning Fight, and Fatal Fury 2 on the same Monday, it wouldn't have bugged me. When Nintendo had a routine of releasing three games a week, you knew that even if the game you wanted wasn't released that week that there was a good chance it would be released in the near future. Now, with single game releases, you may never see your most wanted games. People get frustrated and take out their anger on Fatal Fury 2 or Alex Kidd. Other people get angry at the complainers because Alex Kidd and Fatal Fury 2 are on their most wanted game lists. And so it goes on and on.

sadpanda212

#209

sadpanda212 said:

@ Firebrand

It looks like their releases are totally random though, there are a load of games that were announced over a year ago, Duck hunt, Pilot Wings, they aren't out yet games like cybernoid came out a week after it was announced.

No VC at all as expected this week. but I haven't finished last weeks games so I guess I'm ok.

firebrand

#210

firebrand said:

@sadpanda212

"I dunno why but I can't get away with game compilations. I had a couple of Sega collections on the Playstation and hated loads of the games, Golden Axe II, Kid Chameleon and Vectorman were all on them. Yet I have them all on the VC and they are Emulated better."

You make a good point. I didn't care for that PS2 Genesis collection either. I even downloaded Shinobi III off the VC because the PS2 controller couldn't handle that game.

Rexy

#211

Rexy said:

I put it down to heavier populations for one thing, but even so, people tend to see each nation in a completely different light.

Similarly to you, I like to experience new things in gaming every now and again, and that kind of feel seems to echo quite a bit around the European gaming community (the kind that even had the willpower to welcome Sega and Commodore into the gaming market) - hence, this is why we tend to feel more passive with VC releases and more willing to judge them.

Americans, on the other hand, could see us to be gamers willing to throw money left, right and centre - even if the average Nintendo 64 game has the same price value as a 12-inch club sandwich meal deal from Subway. The consensus seems to be that they seem to be more cautious, hence the feel for them to rather remain close to what they've already played and - for the worst - the unbearable instinct of wanting to insult any third party game that comes their way. That kind of attitude is what the Europeans would see as - as you stated - casual gaming.

It's just that it's suddenly started to annoy me week after week, when even there's an awesome title that isn't necessarily a first or second party Nintendo title, people could see it as "the worst VC week ever". I'm just hoping that this kind of argument would cease soon, when people realise that there are people that are actually willing to make a move on those titles, whether they're good or bad, first/second or third party, or whatever.

firebrand

#214

firebrand said:

"It looks like their releases are totally random though, there are a load of games that were announced over a year ago, Duck hunt, Pilot Wings, they aren't out yet games like cybernoid came out a week after it was announced."

Yeah, I don't get it. They made such a big deal about Earthworm Jim coming to the Virtual Console, but that was announced back in April. What happened?

sadpanda212

#215

sadpanda212 said:

No Idea, I like the look of that Boogerman as I've not played it before, and my memory of the Earthworm Jim games is that I loved them.

Cally

#216

Cally said:

To generalize, Americans are, at worst, cynical and untrusting, and at best determined not to settle for less than what they can get . . . and we especially don't take kindly to (real or perceived) getting jerked around in some way.

Yes, there's a way to do that right in some ways and we don't always do it. I, for instance, am severely annoyed at Nintendo's marketing tactics regarding the VC that have been brought up here already, while they could just release games when they're ready. If they didn't use prepaid points, you could claim "buyer's remorse" within three days and by law you'd be refunded, but you can't because the actual transaction was made to the points--which you subsequently "used" so legally can't be returned. How ingenious is all that?

They could clearly post release dates, release them when ready--they really could please everybody. I'd said before that--annoying as it is that they drip their games out--they could clearly balance obscure with popular better to please better. They COULD provide demos like on SSBB, but . . . it's easy to figure out the rest.

So some people just blow off steam.

Mike1

#217

Mike1 said:

How about this folks. If you don't like a certain game that is released that is okay, it's your opinion to complain about. Just like if someone else likes that game, it's their option to say how great it is.

Look at the whole picture of things guys. Since Monday there have been over 217 comments talking about the VC release. Everyone is right to have their own opinion. Nintendo has certainly created such an awesome system, that all everyone wants to do is talk about it for days.

Cally

#218

Cally said:

@Mike: Sounds about right.

Looks like Chrono Trigger DS is going to be the same graphics but with touch screen support. I doubt it will ever come on the VC, then, along with everything else Squeenix has that people would pay full-price for.

Virus

#219

Virus said:

I'd add Kirby Super Star to the list of titles not coming to the VC then, seeing as it is getting a DS remake...

MaxPlastic

#220

MaxPlastic said:

@ Cally and Virus

Square said it wasn't releasing games for the VC that they could still see profit from... I mean, there is a reason why ActRaiser and King's Knight are on there. I think Chrono Trigger DS is fantastic news, and I think Square's track record of updating past RPG gems for handhelds (Especially Nintendo's) will do the game right
Also, I love ActRaiser, don't hate
Many of the games that were ESRB rated here in the States and then taken off, are receiving remakes elsewhere... I hope this isn't the same fro SMRPG

03bgood

#221

03bgood said:

Let's see; Chrono Trigger and Kirby Super Star are both getting remakes on the DS. What's next, a remake of Banjo-Kazooie for the DS? I hope not because Rare will screw it up like they did with Diddy Kong Racing.

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